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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] PART 2 CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN, THE BIBLE VS. THE QURAN
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 213A]
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
For our part to gain internal life, we must seek to avoid willful sinning as clearly shown by Galatians 2:17, [AV] “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.” And it is clear willful, unrepentant sinning will merit death per Ezekiel 18:4, [AV] “Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
However,we can be found righteous per Romans 3:24, [AV] “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”
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[2] PART 2 CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN, THE BIBLE VS. THE QURAN:
Doubts since their men were polytheists:
Abu Said al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran - 4:24), (i.e. they were lawful for them when their Idda (menstrual) period came to and end). (Sahih Muslim, vol.2, #3432)
Doubt since their husbands watch them being raped:
Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto your save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."" [The Quran verse is 4:24]. (Sunan of Abu Dawud, vol.2, #2150)
RECENT EXAMPLE OF MUSLIM MISTREATMENT OF WOMEN:
Some say Islam is a religion of violence and lack of compasion for women, but here is an example of the truth.
"MULTAN, Pakistan - Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the throats of his three young daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to salvage his family's "honor" - a crime that shocked Pakistan.
The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police detention as he was being shifted to prison, confessed to just one regret - that he didn't murder the stepsister's alleged lover too.
Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators.
The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims' families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging.
Ahmed's killing spree - witnessed by his wife Rehmat Bibi as she cradled their 3 month-old baby son - happened Friday night at their home in the cotton-growing village of Gago Mandi in eastern Punjab province.
It is the latest of more than 260 such honor killings documented by the rights commission, mostly from media reports, during the first 11 months of 2005.
Bibi recounted how she was woken by a shriek as Ahmed put his hand to the mouth of his stepdaughter Muqadas and cut her throat with a machete. Bibi looked helplessly on from the corner of the room as he then killed the three girls - Bano, 8, Sumaira, 7, and Humaira, 4 - pausing between the slayings to brandish the bloodstained knife at his wife, warning her not to intervene or raise alarm.
"I was shivering with fear. I did not know how to save my daughters," Bibi, sobbing, told AP by phone from the village. "I begged my husband to spare my daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I will kill you.'"
"The whole night the bodies of my daughters lay in front of me," she said.
The next morning, Ahmed was arrested.
Speaking to AP in the back of police pickup truck late Tuesday as he was shifted to a prison in the city of Multan, Ahmed showed no contrition. Appearing disheveled but composed, he said he killed Muqadas because she had committed adultery, and his daughters because he didn't want them to do the same when they grew up.
He said he bought a butcher's knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the killings.
"I thought the younger girls would do what their eldest sister had done, so they should be eliminated," he said, his hands cuffed, his face unshaven. "We are poor people and we have nothing else to protect but our honor."
Despite Ahmed's contention that Muqadas had committed adultery - a claim made by her husband - the rights commission reported that according to local people, Muqadas had fled her husband because he had abused her and forced her to work in a brick-making factory.
Police have said they do not know the identity or whereabouts of Muqadas' alleged lover.
Muqadas was Bibi's daughter by her first marriage to Ahmed's brother, who died 14 years ago. Ahmed married his brother's widow, as is customary under Islamic tradition.
"Women are treated as property and those committing crimes against them do not get punished," said the rights commission's director, Kamla Hyat. "The steps taken by our government have made no real difference."
Activists accuse President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a self-styled moderate Muslim, of reluctance to reform outdated Islamized laws that make it difficult to secure convictions in rape, acid attacks and other cases of violence against women. They say police are often reluctant to prosecute, regarding such crimes as family disputes.
Statistics on honor killings are confused and imprecise, but figures from the rights commission's Web site and its officials show a marked reduction in cases this year: 267 in the first 11 months of 2005, compared with 579 during all of 2004. The Ministry of Women's Development said it had no reliable figures.
Ijaz Elahi, the ministry's joint secretary, said the violence was decreasing and that increasing numbers of victims were reporting incidents to police or the media. Laws, including one passed last year to beef up penalties for honor killings, had been toughened, she said.
Police in Multan said they would complete their investigation into Ahmed's case in the next two weeks and that he faces the death sentence if he is convicted for the killings and terrorizing his neighborhood.
Ahmed, who did not resist arrest, was unrepentant.
"I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter and the three other girls," he said. "I wish that I get a chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with and set his home on fire." [source - Associated Press release]
CONCLUSION:
In Islam you are allowed to have female slaves and you are allowed to have sex with them despite having up to four marriage partners. In a Christian and even Mosaic context that is called rape and adultery.
In Islam you are permitted to have sex with the female captives after a battle, again I ask which age groups? Well Muhammad's youngest wife was nine years old.
But consider the situation here, these women have lost homes, husbands, family, everything (except of course for Sunan of Abu Dawud, there they are raped in the presence of their male captives, and husbands) and now they are exposed to further attrocities that of being raped by the same men who killed and butchered their males, on the same battlefield.
In the Mosaic law things were similar, but there was clear guidance given, that these women in case of sexual relationship should be given a time to grief and then be married before any sexual relationship would take place.
That is not what we see here! Sahih Muslim vol.2, # 3371 clearly revealed that after the mass-rape they would be sold at the slave market as female slaves and then the terror would continue.
Let's face it, the Bible NEVER condoned rape as does the Quran and did Muhammad. It did however encourage a rapist to make matters right with his victim and required the solution to be marriage; whereas, the Quran and Muhammad do/did NOT.
[NOTE: I put this together with the assistance of a scholar on the Quran and Islamic history].
LEARN MORE AT WWW.JW.ORG
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 213A]
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
For our part to gain internal life, we must seek to avoid willful sinning as clearly shown by Galatians 2:17, [AV] “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.” And it is clear willful, unrepentant sinning will merit death per Ezekiel 18:4, [AV] “Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
However,we can be found righteous per Romans 3:24, [AV] “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RELIGION AND THE BIBLE, GO TO,
1) http://iris89.conforums.com/
2) http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/
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7) https://religioustruths.forumotion.com/
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Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth. "Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to WWW.JW.ORG!
[2] PART 2 CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN, THE BIBLE VS. THE QURAN:
Doubts since their men were polytheists:
Abu Said al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran - 4:24), (i.e. they were lawful for them when their Idda (menstrual) period came to and end). (Sahih Muslim, vol.2, #3432)
Doubt since their husbands watch them being raped:
Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto your save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."" [The Quran verse is 4:24]. (Sunan of Abu Dawud, vol.2, #2150)
RECENT EXAMPLE OF MUSLIM MISTREATMENT OF WOMEN:
Some say Islam is a religion of violence and lack of compasion for women, but here is an example of the truth.
"MULTAN, Pakistan - Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the throats of his three young daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to salvage his family's "honor" - a crime that shocked Pakistan.
The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police detention as he was being shifted to prison, confessed to just one regret - that he didn't murder the stepsister's alleged lover too.
Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators.
The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims' families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging.
Ahmed's killing spree - witnessed by his wife Rehmat Bibi as she cradled their 3 month-old baby son - happened Friday night at their home in the cotton-growing village of Gago Mandi in eastern Punjab province.
It is the latest of more than 260 such honor killings documented by the rights commission, mostly from media reports, during the first 11 months of 2005.
Bibi recounted how she was woken by a shriek as Ahmed put his hand to the mouth of his stepdaughter Muqadas and cut her throat with a machete. Bibi looked helplessly on from the corner of the room as he then killed the three girls - Bano, 8, Sumaira, 7, and Humaira, 4 - pausing between the slayings to brandish the bloodstained knife at his wife, warning her not to intervene or raise alarm.
"I was shivering with fear. I did not know how to save my daughters," Bibi, sobbing, told AP by phone from the village. "I begged my husband to spare my daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I will kill you.'"
"The whole night the bodies of my daughters lay in front of me," she said.
The next morning, Ahmed was arrested.
Speaking to AP in the back of police pickup truck late Tuesday as he was shifted to a prison in the city of Multan, Ahmed showed no contrition. Appearing disheveled but composed, he said he killed Muqadas because she had committed adultery, and his daughters because he didn't want them to do the same when they grew up.
He said he bought a butcher's knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the killings.
"I thought the younger girls would do what their eldest sister had done, so they should be eliminated," he said, his hands cuffed, his face unshaven. "We are poor people and we have nothing else to protect but our honor."
Despite Ahmed's contention that Muqadas had committed adultery - a claim made by her husband - the rights commission reported that according to local people, Muqadas had fled her husband because he had abused her and forced her to work in a brick-making factory.
Police have said they do not know the identity or whereabouts of Muqadas' alleged lover.
Muqadas was Bibi's daughter by her first marriage to Ahmed's brother, who died 14 years ago. Ahmed married his brother's widow, as is customary under Islamic tradition.
"Women are treated as property and those committing crimes against them do not get punished," said the rights commission's director, Kamla Hyat. "The steps taken by our government have made no real difference."
Activists accuse President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a self-styled moderate Muslim, of reluctance to reform outdated Islamized laws that make it difficult to secure convictions in rape, acid attacks and other cases of violence against women. They say police are often reluctant to prosecute, regarding such crimes as family disputes.
Statistics on honor killings are confused and imprecise, but figures from the rights commission's Web site and its officials show a marked reduction in cases this year: 267 in the first 11 months of 2005, compared with 579 during all of 2004. The Ministry of Women's Development said it had no reliable figures.
Ijaz Elahi, the ministry's joint secretary, said the violence was decreasing and that increasing numbers of victims were reporting incidents to police or the media. Laws, including one passed last year to beef up penalties for honor killings, had been toughened, she said.
Police in Multan said they would complete their investigation into Ahmed's case in the next two weeks and that he faces the death sentence if he is convicted for the killings and terrorizing his neighborhood.
Ahmed, who did not resist arrest, was unrepentant.
"I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter and the three other girls," he said. "I wish that I get a chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with and set his home on fire." [source - Associated Press release]
CONCLUSION:
In Islam you are allowed to have female slaves and you are allowed to have sex with them despite having up to four marriage partners. In a Christian and even Mosaic context that is called rape and adultery.
In Islam you are permitted to have sex with the female captives after a battle, again I ask which age groups? Well Muhammad's youngest wife was nine years old.
But consider the situation here, these women have lost homes, husbands, family, everything (except of course for Sunan of Abu Dawud, there they are raped in the presence of their male captives, and husbands) and now they are exposed to further attrocities that of being raped by the same men who killed and butchered their males, on the same battlefield.
In the Mosaic law things were similar, but there was clear guidance given, that these women in case of sexual relationship should be given a time to grief and then be married before any sexual relationship would take place.
That is not what we see here! Sahih Muslim vol.2, # 3371 clearly revealed that after the mass-rape they would be sold at the slave market as female slaves and then the terror would continue.
Let's face it, the Bible NEVER condoned rape as does the Quran and did Muhammad. It did however encourage a rapist to make matters right with his victim and required the solution to be marriage; whereas, the Quran and Muhammad do/did NOT.
[NOTE: I put this together with the assistance of a scholar on the Quran and Islamic history].
LEARN MORE AT WWW.JW.ORG
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 214A]
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
For our part to gain internal life, we must seek to avoid willful sinning as clearly shown by Galatians 2:17, [AV] “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.” And it is clear willful, unrepentant sinning will merit death per Ezekiel 18:4, [AV] “Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
However,we can be found righteous per Romans 3:24, [AV] “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RELIGION AND THE BIBLE, GO TO,
1) http://iris89.conforums.com/
2) http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/
3) http://religioustruths.lefora.com/
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5) http://religioustruths.forumsland.com/
6) http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/
7) https://religioustruths.forumotion.com/
To enjoy an online Bible study called “Follow the Christ” go to,http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/thread/1417398076/last-1417398076/Digital+Book+On+18+Part+Follow+Christ+Bible+Study
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth. "Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to WWW.JW.ORG!
[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the marang (Artocarpus odoratissimus), also called johey oak, green pedalai, madang, tarap, terap, timadang, or breadfruit cousin, is a tree native to Borneo, Palawan, and Mindanao Island . It is closely related to the jackfruit, cempedak, and breadfruit trees.
It is an evergreen tree growing to 25 m tall. The leaves are 16–50 cm long and 11–28 cm broad, similar to the Breadfruit's, but are a little less lobed. Many trees lose the leaf lobing once mature.
As indicated by the scientific name, the fruit has a strong scent, and is considered superior in flavour to both Jackfruit and Cempedak. The scent reminds some of the durian but is not so intense, and is in the thick skin and not the fruit pulp. The taste has hints of a mild creamy,almost juicy banana, and is best when not allowed to ripen thoroughly on the tree. Those ripened on the tree turn a more brownish color and will eventually fall to the ground and easily split open.
The appearance of the fruit can be regarded as an intermediate shape between the jackfruit and the breadfruit. It is round to oblong, 15–20 cm long and 13 cm broad, and weighing about 1 kg. The thick rind is covered with soft, broad spines. They become hard and brittle as the fruit matures. When fully mature the expanding arils stretch the outer rind which often appears lumpy, especially if not all seeds were pollinated. The fruit does not fall to the ground until over-ripe. It may be harvested when full size but still firm, and left to ripen until soft. Marangs change colour to greenish yellow when ripe. The ripe fruit is opened by cutting the rind around, twisting and gently pulling. If overripe they are simply pulled apart. The interior of the fruit is somewhat similar to the jackfruit's, but the color is white and the flesh is usually softer. The core is relatively large, but there are far fewer "rags" and less non-edible parts. Arils are white and the size of a grape, each containing a 15 × 8 mm seed. Once opened, the marang should be consumed quickly (in a few hours), as it loses flavour rapidly and fruit oxidizes. The seeds are also edible after boiling or roasting.
The tree is not cold tolerant (as is the breadfruit). It can grow between latitude 15° north and south, and in coastal regions where temperatures never stay under 7 °C. It is cultivated for its fruit in Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, and southern Thailand. The species is largely grown for local consumption; the short shelf-life of the fruit limits its wider use.
Taxonomy
The taxonomy of Artocarpus can be confusing. The species Artocarpus sericicarpus and Artocarpus sarawakensis, known as the Pedalai, or buah tarap or Pingan or Mountain tarap is very similar to, and often confused with the Marang. Both these species are native to the same areas. However, they are still distinguishable based on their appearances when ripe. The Pedalai has hairs, like a large rambutan, and ripens red. The Pingan is even trickier, because it is the shape of a Marang, and it is an orange. It has smaller kernel sections. The Marang remains greenish when ripe and has very dense, straight green protrusions. [source - retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marang on 5/24/2013]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
View this fruit at, https://www.google.com/search?q=marang,+artocarpus+odoratissimus&client=firefox-a&hs=Jpv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=8I2fUZytCJC69gSMy4GwBw&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=776
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Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth."Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to www.jw.org!
LEARN MORE AT WWW.JW.ORG
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 214A]
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
For our part to gain internal life, we must seek to avoid willful sinning as clearly shown by Galatians 2:17, [AV] “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.” And it is clear willful, unrepentant sinning will merit death per Ezekiel 18:4, [AV] “Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
However,we can be found righteous per Romans 3:24, [AV] “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RELIGION AND THE BIBLE, GO TO,
1) http://iris89.conforums.com/
2) http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/
3) http://religioustruths.lefora.com/
4) http://religioustruths.boardhost.com/
5) http://religioustruths.forumsland.com/
6) http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/
7) https://religioustruths.forumotion.com/
To enjoy an online Bible study called “Follow the Christ” go to,http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/thread/1417398076/last-1417398076/Digital+Book+On+18+Part+Follow+Christ+Bible+Study
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth. "Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to WWW.JW.ORG!
[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the marang (Artocarpus odoratissimus), also called johey oak, green pedalai, madang, tarap, terap, timadang, or breadfruit cousin, is a tree native to Borneo, Palawan, and Mindanao Island . It is closely related to the jackfruit, cempedak, and breadfruit trees.
It is an evergreen tree growing to 25 m tall. The leaves are 16–50 cm long and 11–28 cm broad, similar to the Breadfruit's, but are a little less lobed. Many trees lose the leaf lobing once mature.
As indicated by the scientific name, the fruit has a strong scent, and is considered superior in flavour to both Jackfruit and Cempedak. The scent reminds some of the durian but is not so intense, and is in the thick skin and not the fruit pulp. The taste has hints of a mild creamy,almost juicy banana, and is best when not allowed to ripen thoroughly on the tree. Those ripened on the tree turn a more brownish color and will eventually fall to the ground and easily split open.
The appearance of the fruit can be regarded as an intermediate shape between the jackfruit and the breadfruit. It is round to oblong, 15–20 cm long and 13 cm broad, and weighing about 1 kg. The thick rind is covered with soft, broad spines. They become hard and brittle as the fruit matures. When fully mature the expanding arils stretch the outer rind which often appears lumpy, especially if not all seeds were pollinated. The fruit does not fall to the ground until over-ripe. It may be harvested when full size but still firm, and left to ripen until soft. Marangs change colour to greenish yellow when ripe. The ripe fruit is opened by cutting the rind around, twisting and gently pulling. If overripe they are simply pulled apart. The interior of the fruit is somewhat similar to the jackfruit's, but the color is white and the flesh is usually softer. The core is relatively large, but there are far fewer "rags" and less non-edible parts. Arils are white and the size of a grape, each containing a 15 × 8 mm seed. Once opened, the marang should be consumed quickly (in a few hours), as it loses flavour rapidly and fruit oxidizes. The seeds are also edible after boiling or roasting.
The tree is not cold tolerant (as is the breadfruit). It can grow between latitude 15° north and south, and in coastal regions where temperatures never stay under 7 °C. It is cultivated for its fruit in Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, and southern Thailand. The species is largely grown for local consumption; the short shelf-life of the fruit limits its wider use.
Taxonomy
The taxonomy of Artocarpus can be confusing. The species Artocarpus sericicarpus and Artocarpus sarawakensis, known as the Pedalai, or buah tarap or Pingan or Mountain tarap is very similar to, and often confused with the Marang. Both these species are native to the same areas. However, they are still distinguishable based on their appearances when ripe. The Pedalai has hairs, like a large rambutan, and ripens red. The Pingan is even trickier, because it is the shape of a Marang, and it is an orange. It has smaller kernel sections. The Marang remains greenish when ripe and has very dense, straight green protrusions. [source - retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marang on 5/24/2013]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] THE VIRGIN MARY DID NOT REMAIN A VIRGIN - A BIBLE VIEW
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 215A]
And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:5, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, the scriptures make it clear that adultery and other sexual wrongs are an abomination to Almighty God (YHWH), and He intends for his son, Jesus (yeshua) to take quick action against them in the culmination of the last days. This is specifically stated at Revelation 21:8, [AV] “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” And the prophet Micah makes this clear at Micah 1:2, [AV] “Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple.”
However, we should not judge others as this has been reserved for God’s son to do per Hebrews 10:30, [AV] “For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.’ Yes he will per Revelation 22:12, [AV] “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
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[2] THE VIRGIN MARY DID NOT REMAIN A VIRGIN - A BIBLE VIEW
INTRODUCTION
There are some that maintain that the Virgin Mary remained a virgin after giving birth to Jesus (Yeshua) and that Biblical references to his brothers and sisters, actually half brothers and half sisters, as his Father was God (YHWH), were to cousins. But is this so? Really not as clearly shown by the context in which they were called brothers and sisters.
CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE CALLED BROTHERS AND SISTERS
Matthew 13:53-56:
Interestingly the context in which they were called brothers and sisters is such as to make the arguments of some that the Koine Greek words meant something else look absurd. True some Koine Greek words could mean more than one thing including the ones in question, but the context of their usage clearly shows the truth or reality in this case. Let's look at the scriptures in question to see the facts.
The Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible at Matthew 13:53-56 says, "And it came to pass: when Jesus had finished these parables, he passed from thence. 54 And coming into his own country, he taught them in their synagogues, so that they wondered and said: How came this man by this wisdom and miracles? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude: 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence therefore hath he all these things?" (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). So there is no excuse to think the words mean anything but what they say given the context they were used in. This would be the case in Koine Greek as well as in English, and brings up an interesting point which is usage sometimes governs the meaning of a word and in this case that meaning is made unmistakable by the context, i.e., literal sisters and brothers who are even named.
This fact is also shown in the Jerusalem Bible at Matthew at 13:53-56 where it talks about Jesus astonishing people in the synagogue with his teaching. So the people wanted to know where he got his wisdom from since he is the carpenter's son, his mother is the woman called Mary, and his BROTHERS (GREEK, adelphoi) James and Joseph and Simon and Jude, and his SISTERS (GREEK, adelphai) were all there with them. (Mary had other sons and also had daughters). The New Jerusalem Bible says, "When Jesus had finished these parables he left the district; 54 and coming to his home town, he taught the people in their synagogue in such a way that they were astonished and said, 'Where did the man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? 55 This is the carpenter's son, surely? Is not his mother the woman called Mary, and his James and Joseph and Simon and Jude? 56 His sisters, too, are they not all here with us? So where did the man get it all?'" (The New Jerusalem Bible; TNJB).
Now, if one is to maintain the un-maintainable that by brothers and sisters some other relative was meant, then this would also apply to 'mother' and that is utterly absurd.
Mark 3:31-35:
Let's look at Mark 3:31-35 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible which shows the same fact, that these were literal brothers and sisters, half brothers and half sisters as Jesus' (Yeshua's) Father was God (YHWY), but this fact was NOT known to the populace. Mark 3:31-35, " And his mother and his brethren came; and standing without, sent unto him, calling him. 32 And the multitude sat about him; and they say to him: Behold thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And answering them, he said: Who is my mother and my brethren? 34 And looking round about on them who sat about him, he saith: Behold my mother and my brethren. 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, he is my brother, and my sister, and mother." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).
And in The New Jerusalem Bible, Mark 3:31-35, "His mother and brothers now arrived and, standing outside, sent in a message asking for him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him at the time the message was passed to him, 'Your mother and brothers and sisters are outside asking for you.' 33 He replied, 'who are my mother and my brothers?' 34 And looking round at those sitting in a circle about him, he said, 'Here are my mother and my brothers. 35 Anyone who does the will of God, that person is my brother and sister and mother." (The New Jerusalem Bible; TNJB).
Jesus replied, "Who are my mother and my BROTHERS"? (Here he made the clear distinction of the difference between SPIRITUAL BROTHERS AND SISTERS and FLESHLY ones, or NATURAL ones. Really, no one claims the ref to Jesus' MOTHER means anything different from what it says. Is it consistent, then, to reason that his NATURAL BROTHERS were not that but were perhaps cousins? When what is meant is not brothers but relatives, a different Greek word (syggenon) is used, as at Luke 21:16.).
Why would anyone think that Joseph and Mary had no other children after Jesus was born? Since God instituted the marriage arrangement with its many joys one would not expect Him to expect Joseph and Mary NOT to indulge in them. What would be the point?
Last, Jesus' (Yeshua's) brother James is mentioned by Flavius Josephus the ancient 1 century Jewish historian as follows, "concerning Albinus, under whose procuratorship James was slain; as also what edifices were built by Agrippa. ... Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the orad; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: bus as for who seemed the most equitable of the citizens and such as were the most uneasy at the breacch of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa]," [source - The Life and works of Flavius Josephus translated by William Whiston, A.M., pub. By The John C. Winston Co., in Philadelphia, Chapter IX, page 598]. So this speaks to the fact that James was the literal brother, actually half brother of Jesus (Yeshua) as his Father was God (YHWH).
THE FACTS ON JESUS' (YESHUA'S) BIRTH:
Now when you look at the facts surrounding Jesus' (Yeshua's) birth and the facts about his parents, Mary and Joseph. Strange that at Matthew 1:18-25 in this Bible it says, " Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost. 19 Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus. For he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which the Lord spoke by the prophet, saying: 23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife. 25 And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).
As the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible at Matthew 1:25, " And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus." (Douay -Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). Clearly showing that he, Joseph, did NOT have relations with his wife, Mary, until after Jesus (Yeshua). To try and maintain that he never had relations with his wife, Mary, clearly flies in the face of common sense. Now why would anyone think that Joseph and Mary had no sexual relations after Jesus was born? Since God instituted the marriage arrangement with its many joys it would anyone NOT expect Joseph and Mary NOT to indulge in them. What would be the point?
Let's look at what the New American Bible [Catholic] says at Matthew 1:25, "He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus" (New American Bible; NAB). Now note this Bible clearly states that, " He had no relations with her until she bore a son." Which by reason clearly indicates Joseph had sexual relations with his wife, Mary, after Jesus' (Yeshua's) birth. Sounds like that the creed, that translated these Bibles does NOT know how to handle the obvious, that the scriptures do NOT back their creedal creed that the Virgin Mary remained ever virgin.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 215A]
And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:5, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, the scriptures make it clear that adultery and other sexual wrongs are an abomination to Almighty God (YHWH), and He intends for his son, Jesus (yeshua) to take quick action against them in the culmination of the last days. This is specifically stated at Revelation 21:8, [AV] “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” And the prophet Micah makes this clear at Micah 1:2, [AV] “Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple.”
However, we should not judge others as this has been reserved for God’s son to do per Hebrews 10:30, [AV] “For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.’ Yes he will per Revelation 22:12, [AV] “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
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[2] THE VIRGIN MARY DID NOT REMAIN A VIRGIN - A BIBLE VIEW
INTRODUCTION
There are some that maintain that the Virgin Mary remained a virgin after giving birth to Jesus (Yeshua) and that Biblical references to his brothers and sisters, actually half brothers and half sisters, as his Father was God (YHWH), were to cousins. But is this so? Really not as clearly shown by the context in which they were called brothers and sisters.
CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY WERE CALLED BROTHERS AND SISTERS
Matthew 13:53-56:
Interestingly the context in which they were called brothers and sisters is such as to make the arguments of some that the Koine Greek words meant something else look absurd. True some Koine Greek words could mean more than one thing including the ones in question, but the context of their usage clearly shows the truth or reality in this case. Let's look at the scriptures in question to see the facts.
The Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible at Matthew 13:53-56 says, "And it came to pass: when Jesus had finished these parables, he passed from thence. 54 And coming into his own country, he taught them in their synagogues, so that they wondered and said: How came this man by this wisdom and miracles? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude: 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence therefore hath he all these things?" (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). So there is no excuse to think the words mean anything but what they say given the context they were used in. This would be the case in Koine Greek as well as in English, and brings up an interesting point which is usage sometimes governs the meaning of a word and in this case that meaning is made unmistakable by the context, i.e., literal sisters and brothers who are even named.
This fact is also shown in the Jerusalem Bible at Matthew at 13:53-56 where it talks about Jesus astonishing people in the synagogue with his teaching. So the people wanted to know where he got his wisdom from since he is the carpenter's son, his mother is the woman called Mary, and his BROTHERS (GREEK, adelphoi) James and Joseph and Simon and Jude, and his SISTERS (GREEK, adelphai) were all there with them. (Mary had other sons and also had daughters). The New Jerusalem Bible says, "When Jesus had finished these parables he left the district; 54 and coming to his home town, he taught the people in their synagogue in such a way that they were astonished and said, 'Where did the man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? 55 This is the carpenter's son, surely? Is not his mother the woman called Mary, and his James and Joseph and Simon and Jude? 56 His sisters, too, are they not all here with us? So where did the man get it all?'" (The New Jerusalem Bible; TNJB).
Now, if one is to maintain the un-maintainable that by brothers and sisters some other relative was meant, then this would also apply to 'mother' and that is utterly absurd.
Mark 3:31-35:
Let's look at Mark 3:31-35 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible which shows the same fact, that these were literal brothers and sisters, half brothers and half sisters as Jesus' (Yeshua's) Father was God (YHWY), but this fact was NOT known to the populace. Mark 3:31-35, " And his mother and his brethren came; and standing without, sent unto him, calling him. 32 And the multitude sat about him; and they say to him: Behold thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And answering them, he said: Who is my mother and my brethren? 34 And looking round about on them who sat about him, he saith: Behold my mother and my brethren. 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, he is my brother, and my sister, and mother." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).
And in The New Jerusalem Bible, Mark 3:31-35, "His mother and brothers now arrived and, standing outside, sent in a message asking for him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him at the time the message was passed to him, 'Your mother and brothers and sisters are outside asking for you.' 33 He replied, 'who are my mother and my brothers?' 34 And looking round at those sitting in a circle about him, he said, 'Here are my mother and my brothers. 35 Anyone who does the will of God, that person is my brother and sister and mother." (The New Jerusalem Bible; TNJB).
Jesus replied, "Who are my mother and my BROTHERS"? (Here he made the clear distinction of the difference between SPIRITUAL BROTHERS AND SISTERS and FLESHLY ones, or NATURAL ones. Really, no one claims the ref to Jesus' MOTHER means anything different from what it says. Is it consistent, then, to reason that his NATURAL BROTHERS were not that but were perhaps cousins? When what is meant is not brothers but relatives, a different Greek word (syggenon) is used, as at Luke 21:16.).
Why would anyone think that Joseph and Mary had no other children after Jesus was born? Since God instituted the marriage arrangement with its many joys one would not expect Him to expect Joseph and Mary NOT to indulge in them. What would be the point?
Last, Jesus' (Yeshua's) brother James is mentioned by Flavius Josephus the ancient 1 century Jewish historian as follows, "concerning Albinus, under whose procuratorship James was slain; as also what edifices were built by Agrippa. ... Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the orad; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: bus as for who seemed the most equitable of the citizens and such as were the most uneasy at the breacch of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa]," [source - The Life and works of Flavius Josephus translated by William Whiston, A.M., pub. By The John C. Winston Co., in Philadelphia, Chapter IX, page 598]. So this speaks to the fact that James was the literal brother, actually half brother of Jesus (Yeshua) as his Father was God (YHWH).
THE FACTS ON JESUS' (YESHUA'S) BIRTH:
Now when you look at the facts surrounding Jesus' (Yeshua's) birth and the facts about his parents, Mary and Joseph. Strange that at Matthew 1:18-25 in this Bible it says, " Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost. 19 Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus. For he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which the Lord spoke by the prophet, saying: 23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife. 25 And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).
As the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible at Matthew 1:25, " And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus." (Douay -Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). Clearly showing that he, Joseph, did NOT have relations with his wife, Mary, until after Jesus (Yeshua). To try and maintain that he never had relations with his wife, Mary, clearly flies in the face of common sense. Now why would anyone think that Joseph and Mary had no sexual relations after Jesus was born? Since God instituted the marriage arrangement with its many joys it would anyone NOT expect Joseph and Mary NOT to indulge in them. What would be the point?
Let's look at what the New American Bible [Catholic] says at Matthew 1:25, "He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus" (New American Bible; NAB). Now note this Bible clearly states that, " He had no relations with her until she bore a son." Which by reason clearly indicates Joseph had sexual relations with his wife, Mary, after Jesus' (Yeshua's) birth. Sounds like that the creed, that translated these Bibles does NOT know how to handle the obvious, that the scriptures do NOT back their creedal creed that the Virgin Mary remained ever virgin.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] MATTHEW 1:25, AN EXPLANATION
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 216A]
O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. Jeremiah 10:32, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Here it is made clear that man can not direct his own steps, and Proverbs 20:24, [AV] “Man’s goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?” And it is shown that all should ask Almighty God (YHWH) for assistance with respect his goings at Psalm 17:5, [AV] “Hold up my goings in thy paths, that my footsteps slip not.” And that that the Lord order the steps of a good man at Psalm 37:23, [AV] “The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.”
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[2] MATTHEW 1:25, AN EXPLANATION
INTRODUCTION:
Many do not comprehend Matthew 1:18-25 which is as follows:
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.(Authorized King James Bible; Av)
And argue with respect the meaning of "not till" found in the Authorized King James Bible or "until" found in the New American Bible (Catholic). They try to argue in error for other meanings for "not till" or "until" so as to maintain their tradition that Mary remained forever a virgin; instead of accepting the Bible fact that she did not. To resolve this issue we will look at Paraller scriptures in a number of Bibles, some of which are Catholic Bibles such as the NAB and the DRCB, some of which are Protestant and/or Bibles translated by independent scholars or committees, and one which is Jewish so as to eliminate any possible accusation of bias by these scholars.
PARALLEL BIBLES ON MATTHEW 1:25:
And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus.{Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB)
He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus. (New American Bible; NAB)
but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus. (Revised Standard Bible; RSV).
but she remained a virgin until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.(New Living Translation; NLT)
and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS.(Third Millennium Bible; TMB)
but he did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son. And he named Him Jesus.(Holman Standard Christian Bible; HSCB)
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.(English Standard Bible; ESB)
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus. (New American Standard Bible; NASB)
but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua. (The Complete Jewish Bible, Copyright 1998 by David H. Stern. Published by Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc. ; CJB)
and didn't know her sexually until she had brought forth her firstborn son. He named him Yeshua. (Hebrew Names Version of the New English Bible)
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. (American Standard Version; ASV)
Pero no la conoció hasta que ella dio a luz un hijo, y llamó su nombre Jesús.(1989 Reina-Valeria Acutualizada)
and did not know her till she brought forth her son-the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.(Young's Literal Translation; YLT)
As we can see, although they used different words, all the translators were in agreement, and the New American Bible (Catholic) made it quite clear with " He had no relations with her until she bore a son" as did the Complete Jewish Bible with " but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son," as did the Holmon Standard Christian Bible with "but he did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son." So we can see those trying to perpetuate mythical traditions are just "blowing smoke" and "grasping at straws."
TECHNICAL ANALYSIS USING THE KJB AND STRONG NUMBERS:
One individual who was "grasping at straws said the following:
"The Greek word for "until" (heos) does not imply that Mary had marital relations after the birth of Christ. In 2 Samuel 6:23, we read that Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child "until" the day of her death."
But let's look as a technical analysis using the Authorized King James Bible (AV) as the frame work of the original Koine Greek here. " And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."
Strong's Number: 3756 "not"
Original Word
Word Origin
ouj
a primary word, the absolute negative [cf (3361)] adverb
Transliterated Word
TDNT Entry
Ou
None
Phonetic Spelling
Parts of Speech
oo /cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756g/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756g/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756gb/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756gb/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756gc/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756gc
Definition
1. no, not; in direct questions expecting an affirmative answer
</TD King James Word Usage - Total: 1453 not 1214, no 136, cannot + (1410)&version=kjv 55, miscellaneous 48
KJV Verse Count Matthew 159 Mark 105 Luke 141 John 238 Acts 101 Romans 98 1 Corinthians 108 2 Corinthians 77 Galatians 30 Ephesians 11 Philippians 13 Colossians 8 1 Thessalonians 16 2 Thessalonians 7 1 Timothy 9 2 Timothy 12 Titus 1 Hebrews 58 James 24 1 Peter 10 2 Peter 11 1 John 35 2 John 5 3 John 4 Jude 2 Revelation 45; Total 1328
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3757 'till'
Original Word Word Origin
ou| genitive case of (3739) as adverb
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Hou None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
hoo
Definition:
King James Word Usage - Total: 41
where 22, till 14, whither 2, when 1, wherein 1, whithersoever + (1437)&version=kjv 1
KJV Verse Count Matthew 7 Luke 8 John 1 Acts 12 Romans 3 1 Corinthians 2 2 Corinthians 1 Galatians 2 Colossians 1 Hebrews 1 2 Peter 1 Revelation 2 ; Total 41
[source - Greek lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary plus others; this is keyed to the large Kittel and the "Theological Dictionary of the New Testament."]
CONCLUSION:
The truth is self evident based on the foregoing in the words of the Complete Jewish Bible, " but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua."
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 216A]
O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. Jeremiah 10:32, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Here it is made clear that man can not direct his own steps, and Proverbs 20:24, [AV] “Man’s goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?” And it is shown that all should ask Almighty God (YHWH) for assistance with respect his goings at Psalm 17:5, [AV] “Hold up my goings in thy paths, that my footsteps slip not.” And that that the Lord order the steps of a good man at Psalm 37:23, [AV] “The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.”
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[2] MATTHEW 1:25, AN EXPLANATION
INTRODUCTION:
Many do not comprehend Matthew 1:18-25 which is as follows:
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.(Authorized King James Bible; Av)
And argue with respect the meaning of "not till" found in the Authorized King James Bible or "until" found in the New American Bible (Catholic). They try to argue in error for other meanings for "not till" or "until" so as to maintain their tradition that Mary remained forever a virgin; instead of accepting the Bible fact that she did not. To resolve this issue we will look at Paraller scriptures in a number of Bibles, some of which are Catholic Bibles such as the NAB and the DRCB, some of which are Protestant and/or Bibles translated by independent scholars or committees, and one which is Jewish so as to eliminate any possible accusation of bias by these scholars.
PARALLEL BIBLES ON MATTHEW 1:25:
And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus.{Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB)
He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus. (New American Bible; NAB)
but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus. (Revised Standard Bible; RSV).
but she remained a virgin until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.(New Living Translation; NLT)
and knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS.(Third Millennium Bible; TMB)
but he did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son. And he named Him Jesus.(Holman Standard Christian Bible; HSCB)
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.(English Standard Bible; ESB)
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus. (New American Standard Bible; NASB)
but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua. (The Complete Jewish Bible, Copyright 1998 by David H. Stern. Published by Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc. ; CJB)
and didn't know her sexually until she had brought forth her firstborn son. He named him Yeshua. (Hebrew Names Version of the New English Bible)
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. (American Standard Version; ASV)
Pero no la conoció hasta que ella dio a luz un hijo, y llamó su nombre Jesús.(1989 Reina-Valeria Acutualizada)
and did not know her till she brought forth her son-the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.(Young's Literal Translation; YLT)
As we can see, although they used different words, all the translators were in agreement, and the New American Bible (Catholic) made it quite clear with " He had no relations with her until she bore a son" as did the Complete Jewish Bible with " but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son," as did the Holmon Standard Christian Bible with "but he did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son." So we can see those trying to perpetuate mythical traditions are just "blowing smoke" and "grasping at straws."
TECHNICAL ANALYSIS USING THE KJB AND STRONG NUMBERS:
One individual who was "grasping at straws said the following:
"The Greek word for "until" (heos) does not imply that Mary had marital relations after the birth of Christ. In 2 Samuel 6:23, we read that Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child "until" the day of her death."
But let's look as a technical analysis using the Authorized King James Bible (AV) as the frame work of the original Koine Greek here. " And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."
Strong's Number: 3756 "not"
Original Word
Word Origin
ouj
a primary word, the absolute negative [cf (3361)] adverb
Transliterated Word
TDNT Entry
Ou
None
Phonetic Spelling
Parts of Speech
oo /cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756g/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756g/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756gb/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756gb/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756gc/cgi-bin/lexicon.pl?id=3756gc
Definition
1. no, not; in direct questions expecting an affirmative answer
</TD King James Word Usage - Total: 1453 not 1214, no 136, cannot + (1410)&version=kjv 55, miscellaneous 48
KJV Verse Count Matthew 159 Mark 105 Luke 141 John 238 Acts 101 Romans 98 1 Corinthians 108 2 Corinthians 77 Galatians 30 Ephesians 11 Philippians 13 Colossians 8 1 Thessalonians 16 2 Thessalonians 7 1 Timothy 9 2 Timothy 12 Titus 1 Hebrews 58 James 24 1 Peter 10 2 Peter 11 1 John 35 2 John 5 3 John 4 Jude 2 Revelation 45; Total 1328
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3757 'till'
Original Word Word Origin
ou| genitive case of (3739) as adverb
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Hou None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
hoo
Definition:
King James Word Usage - Total: 41
where 22, till 14, whither 2, when 1, wherein 1, whithersoever + (1437)&version=kjv 1
KJV Verse Count Matthew 7 Luke 8 John 1 Acts 12 Romans 3 1 Corinthians 2 2 Corinthians 1 Galatians 2 Colossians 1 Hebrews 1 2 Peter 1 Revelation 2 ; Total 41
[source - Greek lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary plus others; this is keyed to the large Kittel and the "Theological Dictionary of the New Testament."]
CONCLUSION:
The truth is self evident based on the foregoing in the words of the Complete Jewish Bible, " but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua."
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 217A]
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
We should seek to be found in the favor of Jesus (Yeshua) as he is the comforter provided by his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), as shown by Isaiah 51:12, [AV] “I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;” And fear of man is a hindrance as shown by Proverbs 29:25, [AV] “The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.’” This is also shown by
Ezekial 3:9, [AV] “As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.” The Devil will test us with many things, but Revelation 2:10, says, [AV], “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.”
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[2] THE ERRORS OF SPECULATION ON JESUS' (YESHUA'S) FAMILY:
INTRODUCTION:
Many have speculated with respect the family of Jesus' (Yeshua's), and especially so with regard his James the Brother of Jesus (Yeshua), and this is due to speculation by various groups through the ages. Many of them with 'an axe' to grind in support of various doctrines most notably that Mary, whether the mother of Jesus (Yeshua) remained a virgin, but let's look at the work by Eusebius Pamphilius that covers all this intrigue and speculation by many in detail and the three principle theories that have been advanced.
EXPERT TESTIMONY BY EUSEBIUS PAMPHILIUS:
Eusebius Pamphilius and expert early student of history and fact said the following: <<"The relationship of James and Jesus has always been a disputed matter. Three theories have been advanced, and are all widely represented.
The first is the full-brother hypothesis, according to which the brothers and sisters of Jesus were children of both Joseph and Mary. This was advocated strongly by the heretic Helvidius in Rome in 380, and is widely accepted in the Protestant Church. The only serious objection to it is the committal of Mary to the care of John by Christ upon the cross. But John was at any rate an own cousin of Jesus, and the objection loses its weight when we realize the spiritual sympathy which existed between Jesus and John, and the lack of belief exhibited by his own brothers. The second is the half-brother hypothesis which regards the brethren and sisters of Jesus as children of Joseph by a former wife. This has the oldest tradition in its favor (though the tradition for none of the theories is old or universal enough to be of great weight), the apocryphal Gospel of James, chap. ix., recording that Joseph was a widower and had children before marrying Mary. It is still the established theory in the Greek Church. The greatest objection to it is that if it be true, Christ as a younger son of Joseph, could not have been regarded as the heir to the throne of David. That the objection is absolutely fatal cannot be asserted for it is nowhere clearly stated that he was the heir-apparent to the throne; it is said only that he was of the line of David. Both of these theories agree in distinguishing James, the highlightbrother of the Lord, from James, the son of Alphæus, the apostle, and thus assume at least three Jameses in the New Testament. Over against both of them is to be mentioned a third, which assumes only two Jameses, regarding the brethren of the Lord as his cousins, and identifying them with the sons of Alphæus. This theory originated with Jerome in 383 a.d. with the confessedly dogmatic object of preserving the virginity both of Mary and of Joseph in opposition to Helvidius. Since his time it has been the established theory in the Latin Church, and is advocated also by many Protestant scholars. The original and common form of the theory makes Jesus and James maternal cousins: finding only three women in John xix. 25, and regarding Mary, the wife of Clopas, as the sister of the Virgin Mary. But this is in itself improbable and rests upon poor exegesis. It is far better to assume that four women are mentioned in this passage. A second form of the cousin theory, which regards Jesus and James as paternal cousins-making Alphæus (Clopas) the brother of Joseph-originated with Lange. It is very ingenious, and urges in its support the authority of Hegesippus, who, according to Eusebius (H. E. III. 11), says that Clopas was the brother of Joseph and the father of Simeon, which would make the latter the brother of James, and thus just as truly the brother of the Lord as he. But Hegesippus plainly thinks of James and of Simeon as standing in different relations to Christ,-the former his brother, the latter his cousin,-and therefore his testimony is against, rather than for Lange's hypothesis. The statement of Hegesippus, indeed, expresses the cousinship of Christ with James the Little, the son of Clopas (if Alphæus and Clopas be identified), but does not identify this cousin with James the brother of the Lord. Eusebius also is claimed by Lange as a witness to his theory, but his exegesis of the passage to which he appeals is poor (see below, Bk. IV. chap. 22 note 4). Against both forms of the cousin theory may be urged the natural meaning of the word ?de?f??, and also the statement of John vii. 5, "Neither did his brethren believe in him," which makes it impossible to suppose that his brothers were apostles. From this fatal objection both of the brother hypotheses are free, and either of them is possible, but the former rests upon a more natural interpretation of the various passages involved, and would perhaps have been universally accepted had it not been for the dogmatic interest felt by the early Church in preserving the virginity of Mary. Renan's complicated theory (see his Les Evangiles, p. 537 sqq.) does not help matters at all, and need not be discussed here. There is much to be said, however, in favor of the separation of Alphæus and Clopas, upon which he insists and which involves the existence of four Jameses instead of only three.
References and resources:
For a fuller discussion of this whole subject, see Andrews (Life of our Lord, pp. 104-116), Schaff (Church Hist. I. 272-275), and Weiss (Einleitung in das N. T. p. 388 sqq.), all of whom defend the natural brother hypothesis; Lightfoot (Excursus upon "The Brethren of the Lord" in his Commentary on Galatians, 2d ed. p. 247-282), who is the strongest advocate of the half-brother theory; Mill (The Accounts of our Lord's Brethren in the N. T. vindicated, Cambridge, 1843), who maintains the maternal cousin theory; and Lange (in Herzog), who presents the paternal cousin hypothesis. Compare finally Holtzmann's article in the Zeitschrift für Wiss. Theologie, 1880, p. 198 sqq.">>[source - The Disciples of our Saviour. NPNF (V2-01), by Eusebius Pamphilius]
What Eusebius Pamphilius said, is backed up by the Bible at Galatians 1:19, "But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), which says it all.
OTHER INDICATORS OF FACT:
Other research writers were in agreement with Eusebius Pamphilius.
Let's look at a writing by Ernest Renan, <<"The inaccuracy of the information furnished by the Gospels as to the material circumstances of the life of Jesus, the dubiety of the traditions of the first century, collected by Hegesippus, the frequent homonyms which occasion so much embarrassment in the history of the Jews at all epochs, render the questions relating to the family of Jesus almost insoluble. If we hold by a passage from the synoptic Gospels, Matt. xiii. 55, 56; Mark vi. 3, Jesus should have four highlightbrothers and several sisters. His four brothers were called James, Joseph or Jose, Simon, and Jude, respectively. Two of these names figure, in fact, in all the ecclesiastical and apostolic traditions as being "brothers of the Lord." The personage of "James, brother of the Lord," is, after that of St Paul, the most perfectly sketched of any of the first Christian generation. The Epistle of St Paul to the Galatians, the Acts of the Apostles, the superscriptions of the authentic epistles, or those not ascribed to James and Jude, the historian Josephus, the Ebionite legend of Peter, the old Judeo-Christian historian Hegesippus, are agreed in making him the chief of the old Judeo-Christian Church. The most authentic of these proofs, the passage in the Epistle to the Galatians, gives him distinctly the title of ?de?f?? t?? ??????.">>[source - The History of the Origins of Christianity. Book V. The Gospels., by Ernest Renan]
And the Bible weighs into the discussion also as shown in two renown Catholic Bibles as follows:
Interestingly the context in which they were called brothers and sisters is such as to make the arguments of some that the Koine Greek words meant something else look absurd. True some Koine Greek words could mean more than one thing including the ones in question, but the context of their usage clearly shows the truth or reality in this case. Let's look at the scriptures in question in context to see the facts.
The Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible at Matthew 13:53-56 says, "And it came to pass: when Jesus had finished these parables, he passed from thence. 54 And coming into his own country, he taught them in their synagogues, so that they wondered and said: How came this man by this wisdom and miracles? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude: 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence therefore hath he all these things?" (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). So there is no excuse to think the words mean anything but what they say given the context they were used in. This would be the case in Koine Greek as well as in English, and brings up an interesting point which is usage sometimes governs the meaning of a word and in this case that meaning is made unmistakable by the context, i.e., literal sisters and brothers who are even named.
This fact is also shown in the Jerusalem Bible at Matthew at 13:53-56 where it talks about Jesus astonishing people in the synagogue with his teaching. So the people wanted to know where he got his wisdom from since he is the carpenter's son, his mother is the woman called Mary, and his BROTHERS (GREEK, adelphoi) James and Joseph and Simon and Jude, and his SISTERS (GREEK, adelphai) were all there with them. (Mary had other sons and also had daughters). The New Jerusalem Bible says, "When Jesus had finished these parables he left the district; 54 and coming to his home town, he taught the people in their synagogue in such a way that they were astonished and said, 'Where did the man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? 55 This is the carpenter's son, surely? Is not his mother the woman called Mary, and his James and Joseph and Simon and Jude? 56 His sisters, too, are they not all here with us? So where did the man get it all?'" (The New Jerusalem Bible; TNJB).
So while technically speaking, the word used for 'brothers' "adelphos" can have many meanings as do some words in English, the meaning of adelphos is governed by the context within which it appears. AS clearly shown that with respect its context in Matthew 13:53-56 its meaning is quite clear and means fleshly brothers or in this specific case half-brothers since God (YHWH) was Jesus' (Yeshua's) father and NOT Joseph, but this was not known to the people of the community. Also, Now, if one is to maintain the un-maintainable that by brothers and sisters some other relative was meant, then this would also apply to 'mother' and that is utterly absurd.
CONCLUSION:
Only one reasonable conclusion can be drawn due to context in the Bible, the brothers and sisters mentioned in the Bible were NOT cousins but fleshly brothers and sisters or due to the special case of his father having been God (YHWH), actually half brothers and sisters; and his 'mother' is actual birth mother.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 217A]
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
We should seek to be found in the favor of Jesus (Yeshua) as he is the comforter provided by his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), as shown by Isaiah 51:12, [AV] “I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;” And fear of man is a hindrance as shown by Proverbs 29:25, [AV] “The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.’” This is also shown by
Ezekial 3:9, [AV] “As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.” The Devil will test us with many things, but Revelation 2:10, says, [AV], “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.”
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[2] THE ERRORS OF SPECULATION ON JESUS' (YESHUA'S) FAMILY:
INTRODUCTION:
Many have speculated with respect the family of Jesus' (Yeshua's), and especially so with regard his James the Brother of Jesus (Yeshua), and this is due to speculation by various groups through the ages. Many of them with 'an axe' to grind in support of various doctrines most notably that Mary, whether the mother of Jesus (Yeshua) remained a virgin, but let's look at the work by Eusebius Pamphilius that covers all this intrigue and speculation by many in detail and the three principle theories that have been advanced.
EXPERT TESTIMONY BY EUSEBIUS PAMPHILIUS:
Eusebius Pamphilius and expert early student of history and fact said the following: <<"The relationship of James and Jesus has always been a disputed matter. Three theories have been advanced, and are all widely represented.
The first is the full-brother hypothesis, according to which the brothers and sisters of Jesus were children of both Joseph and Mary. This was advocated strongly by the heretic Helvidius in Rome in 380, and is widely accepted in the Protestant Church. The only serious objection to it is the committal of Mary to the care of John by Christ upon the cross. But John was at any rate an own cousin of Jesus, and the objection loses its weight when we realize the spiritual sympathy which existed between Jesus and John, and the lack of belief exhibited by his own brothers. The second is the half-brother hypothesis which regards the brethren and sisters of Jesus as children of Joseph by a former wife. This has the oldest tradition in its favor (though the tradition for none of the theories is old or universal enough to be of great weight), the apocryphal Gospel of James, chap. ix., recording that Joseph was a widower and had children before marrying Mary. It is still the established theory in the Greek Church. The greatest objection to it is that if it be true, Christ as a younger son of Joseph, could not have been regarded as the heir to the throne of David. That the objection is absolutely fatal cannot be asserted for it is nowhere clearly stated that he was the heir-apparent to the throne; it is said only that he was of the line of David. Both of these theories agree in distinguishing James, the highlightbrother of the Lord, from James, the son of Alphæus, the apostle, and thus assume at least three Jameses in the New Testament. Over against both of them is to be mentioned a third, which assumes only two Jameses, regarding the brethren of the Lord as his cousins, and identifying them with the sons of Alphæus. This theory originated with Jerome in 383 a.d. with the confessedly dogmatic object of preserving the virginity both of Mary and of Joseph in opposition to Helvidius. Since his time it has been the established theory in the Latin Church, and is advocated also by many Protestant scholars. The original and common form of the theory makes Jesus and James maternal cousins: finding only three women in John xix. 25, and regarding Mary, the wife of Clopas, as the sister of the Virgin Mary. But this is in itself improbable and rests upon poor exegesis. It is far better to assume that four women are mentioned in this passage. A second form of the cousin theory, which regards Jesus and James as paternal cousins-making Alphæus (Clopas) the brother of Joseph-originated with Lange. It is very ingenious, and urges in its support the authority of Hegesippus, who, according to Eusebius (H. E. III. 11), says that Clopas was the brother of Joseph and the father of Simeon, which would make the latter the brother of James, and thus just as truly the brother of the Lord as he. But Hegesippus plainly thinks of James and of Simeon as standing in different relations to Christ,-the former his brother, the latter his cousin,-and therefore his testimony is against, rather than for Lange's hypothesis. The statement of Hegesippus, indeed, expresses the cousinship of Christ with James the Little, the son of Clopas (if Alphæus and Clopas be identified), but does not identify this cousin with James the brother of the Lord. Eusebius also is claimed by Lange as a witness to his theory, but his exegesis of the passage to which he appeals is poor (see below, Bk. IV. chap. 22 note 4). Against both forms of the cousin theory may be urged the natural meaning of the word ?de?f??, and also the statement of John vii. 5, "Neither did his brethren believe in him," which makes it impossible to suppose that his brothers were apostles. From this fatal objection both of the brother hypotheses are free, and either of them is possible, but the former rests upon a more natural interpretation of the various passages involved, and would perhaps have been universally accepted had it not been for the dogmatic interest felt by the early Church in preserving the virginity of Mary. Renan's complicated theory (see his Les Evangiles, p. 537 sqq.) does not help matters at all, and need not be discussed here. There is much to be said, however, in favor of the separation of Alphæus and Clopas, upon which he insists and which involves the existence of four Jameses instead of only three.
References and resources:
For a fuller discussion of this whole subject, see Andrews (Life of our Lord, pp. 104-116), Schaff (Church Hist. I. 272-275), and Weiss (Einleitung in das N. T. p. 388 sqq.), all of whom defend the natural brother hypothesis; Lightfoot (Excursus upon "The Brethren of the Lord" in his Commentary on Galatians, 2d ed. p. 247-282), who is the strongest advocate of the half-brother theory; Mill (The Accounts of our Lord's Brethren in the N. T. vindicated, Cambridge, 1843), who maintains the maternal cousin theory; and Lange (in Herzog), who presents the paternal cousin hypothesis. Compare finally Holtzmann's article in the Zeitschrift für Wiss. Theologie, 1880, p. 198 sqq.">>[source - The Disciples of our Saviour. NPNF (V2-01), by Eusebius Pamphilius]
What Eusebius Pamphilius said, is backed up by the Bible at Galatians 1:19, "But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), which says it all.
OTHER INDICATORS OF FACT:
Other research writers were in agreement with Eusebius Pamphilius.
Let's look at a writing by Ernest Renan, <<"The inaccuracy of the information furnished by the Gospels as to the material circumstances of the life of Jesus, the dubiety of the traditions of the first century, collected by Hegesippus, the frequent homonyms which occasion so much embarrassment in the history of the Jews at all epochs, render the questions relating to the family of Jesus almost insoluble. If we hold by a passage from the synoptic Gospels, Matt. xiii. 55, 56; Mark vi. 3, Jesus should have four highlightbrothers and several sisters. His four brothers were called James, Joseph or Jose, Simon, and Jude, respectively. Two of these names figure, in fact, in all the ecclesiastical and apostolic traditions as being "brothers of the Lord." The personage of "James, brother of the Lord," is, after that of St Paul, the most perfectly sketched of any of the first Christian generation. The Epistle of St Paul to the Galatians, the Acts of the Apostles, the superscriptions of the authentic epistles, or those not ascribed to James and Jude, the historian Josephus, the Ebionite legend of Peter, the old Judeo-Christian historian Hegesippus, are agreed in making him the chief of the old Judeo-Christian Church. The most authentic of these proofs, the passage in the Epistle to the Galatians, gives him distinctly the title of ?de?f?? t?? ??????.">>[source - The History of the Origins of Christianity. Book V. The Gospels., by Ernest Renan]
And the Bible weighs into the discussion also as shown in two renown Catholic Bibles as follows:
Interestingly the context in which they were called brothers and sisters is such as to make the arguments of some that the Koine Greek words meant something else look absurd. True some Koine Greek words could mean more than one thing including the ones in question, but the context of their usage clearly shows the truth or reality in this case. Let's look at the scriptures in question in context to see the facts.
The Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible at Matthew 13:53-56 says, "And it came to pass: when Jesus had finished these parables, he passed from thence. 54 And coming into his own country, he taught them in their synagogues, so that they wondered and said: How came this man by this wisdom and miracles? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude: 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence therefore hath he all these things?" (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). So there is no excuse to think the words mean anything but what they say given the context they were used in. This would be the case in Koine Greek as well as in English, and brings up an interesting point which is usage sometimes governs the meaning of a word and in this case that meaning is made unmistakable by the context, i.e., literal sisters and brothers who are even named.
This fact is also shown in the Jerusalem Bible at Matthew at 13:53-56 where it talks about Jesus astonishing people in the synagogue with his teaching. So the people wanted to know where he got his wisdom from since he is the carpenter's son, his mother is the woman called Mary, and his BROTHERS (GREEK, adelphoi) James and Joseph and Simon and Jude, and his SISTERS (GREEK, adelphai) were all there with them. (Mary had other sons and also had daughters). The New Jerusalem Bible says, "When Jesus had finished these parables he left the district; 54 and coming to his home town, he taught the people in their synagogue in such a way that they were astonished and said, 'Where did the man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? 55 This is the carpenter's son, surely? Is not his mother the woman called Mary, and his James and Joseph and Simon and Jude? 56 His sisters, too, are they not all here with us? So where did the man get it all?'" (The New Jerusalem Bible; TNJB).
So while technically speaking, the word used for 'brothers' "adelphos" can have many meanings as do some words in English, the meaning of adelphos is governed by the context within which it appears. AS clearly shown that with respect its context in Matthew 13:53-56 its meaning is quite clear and means fleshly brothers or in this specific case half-brothers since God (YHWH) was Jesus' (Yeshua's) father and NOT Joseph, but this was not known to the people of the community. Also, Now, if one is to maintain the un-maintainable that by brothers and sisters some other relative was meant, then this would also apply to 'mother' and that is utterly absurd.
CONCLUSION:
Only one reasonable conclusion can be drawn due to context in the Bible, the brothers and sisters mentioned in the Bible were NOT cousins but fleshly brothers and sisters or due to the special case of his father having been God (YHWH), actually half brothers and sisters; and his 'mother' is actual birth mother.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] FIGHTERS AGAINST GOD (YHWH)
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 218A]
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matthew 5:39, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
For some this scripture is difficult to understand, but one modern translation makes it a little easier to understand that it is referring to an insult and NOT a physical attack as follows, New World Translation, “However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.” Also, Luke 6:28 – 29, [AV], “Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.” And, Isaiah 50:6, [AV] “6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.” All clearly show it is dealing with insults such as spitting on one which was perceived as a vile insult in ancient times.
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[2] FIGHTERS AGAINST GOD (YHWH)
Let's face it, in our day, as in the first century there has been no shortage of 'fighters against God (YHWH) and this fact is testified to at Acts 5:26-39, " Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.
27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." (Authorized King James Bible:AV).
For example, when genuine (true) Christians in Nazi Germany refused to support Hitler (A Roman Catholic) and to heil Adolph Hitler (an apostate-counterfeit-Christian) as their 'Fuhrer,' Hitler vowed to exterminate them. They remembered Matthew 23:10, " Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." (AV). His efficient death machine seemed more than equal to the job. The Nazis did succeed in rounding up thousands of genuine (true) Christians and putting them into concentration camps along with the Jews and Muslims and Gypsies.
But the Nazis failed to break the resolve of genuine (true) Christians to worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham only, and they failed to eliminate God's (YHWH's) servants as a group in Nazi Germany. The work of these Christians was from God (YHWH), not man, and the work of God cannot be overthrown.
Sixty years later, faithful survivors of Hitler's concentration camps are still serving the God (YHWH) of Abraham per Matthew 22:37, " Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." (AV)
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 218A]
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matthew 5:39, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
For some this scripture is difficult to understand, but one modern translation makes it a little easier to understand that it is referring to an insult and NOT a physical attack as follows, New World Translation, “However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.” Also, Luke 6:28 – 29, [AV], “Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.” And, Isaiah 50:6, [AV] “6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.” All clearly show it is dealing with insults such as spitting on one which was perceived as a vile insult in ancient times.
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[2] FIGHTERS AGAINST GOD (YHWH)
Let's face it, in our day, as in the first century there has been no shortage of 'fighters against God (YHWH) and this fact is testified to at Acts 5:26-39, " Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.
27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." (Authorized King James Bible:AV).
For example, when genuine (true) Christians in Nazi Germany refused to support Hitler (A Roman Catholic) and to heil Adolph Hitler (an apostate-counterfeit-Christian) as their 'Fuhrer,' Hitler vowed to exterminate them. They remembered Matthew 23:10, " Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." (AV). His efficient death machine seemed more than equal to the job. The Nazis did succeed in rounding up thousands of genuine (true) Christians and putting them into concentration camps along with the Jews and Muslims and Gypsies.
But the Nazis failed to break the resolve of genuine (true) Christians to worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham only, and they failed to eliminate God's (YHWH's) servants as a group in Nazi Germany. The work of these Christians was from God (YHWH), not man, and the work of God cannot be overthrown.
Sixty years later, faithful survivors of Hitler's concentration camps are still serving the God (YHWH) of Abraham per Matthew 22:37, " Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." (AV)
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 219A]
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Revelation 7:9, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And Matthew 25:34, [AV],” Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” clearly showing the blessings Almighty God (YHWH) through His son shall give to obedient mankind. Also, John 10:16, [AV], reveals, “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” This harkens back to the promise given Abraham at Genesis 22:18, [AV] “And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.” Yes, per Isaiah 60:3, [AV] “And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.” God’s glory will be made known to all per Isaiah 66:18, [AV] “For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.”
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[2] WHY? THE DETERIORATION OF THE SYSTEM WE LIVE IN:
INTRODUCTION:
As we all know the entire system we live in has been going down hill from perfection. New diseases are coming along all the time, man is polluting the world he lives in, people do not live as long as they did in very ancient times even with the aid of modern medicine, more wars and instabilities throughout the world, etc. Why? These things are all the result of the fall from perfection caused by the introduction of sin in the world. Let's look at what happened and then the results.
THE INTRODUCTION OF SIN INTO THE WORLD:
Side notes in one Bible said the following,
"The Introduction of Sin. Sin occurred first in the spirit realm before its introduction on earth. For unknown ages full harmony with God prevailed in the universe. Disruption came through a spirit creature referred to simply as the Resister, Adversary (Heb., Sa•tan'; Gr., Sa•ta•nas'; Job 1:6; Romans 16:20), the principal False Accuser or Slanderer (Gr., Di•a'bo•los) of God. (Hebrews 2:14; Revelation 12:9) Hence, the apostle John says: "He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning."-1John 3:8.
By "the beginning" John clearly means the beginning of Satan's career of opposition, even as "beginning" is used to refer to the start of the discipleship of Christians at 1 John 2:7; 3:11. John's words show that, once having introduced sin, Satan continued his sinful course. Hence, any person that "makes sin his business or practice" reveals himself to be a 'child' of the Adversary, spiritual offspring reflecting the qualities of his "father." [source - The Expositor's Greek Testament, edited by W. R. Nicoll, 1967, Vol. V, p. 185; John 8:44; 1 Jo 3:10-12].
And here is more information from the Concise Bible Dictionary:
"There are many different words both in the O.T. and N.T. signifying 'sin', 'iniquity,' 'wickedness', &c., with various shades of meaning. 1. It is important to notice the scripture definition of sin. It is 'lawlessness.' #1John 3:4. Hence the distinction made between 'sin' and 'transgression,' the latter being the infraction of a known command. From Adam to Moses man "had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression," yet men had sinned and died. #Romans 5:14. A positive law was given to Adam, which he disobeyed; but from Adam to Moses no definite law was proclaimed, consequently there was no transgression, yet there was sin in the sense of lawlessness, and such sin as called for the deluge. The same distinction is plainly involved in #Romans 4:15: "Where no law is, there is no transgression," yet there may be sin, and it is averred that "as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law." #Romans 2:12.
The rendering of #1John 3:4, in the A.V., "sin is the transgression of the law," is a mistranslation. The Greek word is anomia, from a, negative, and nomov, law. This word occurs fourteen times, and in this verse only is it translated in the A. V. 'transgression of the law.' In #2Corinthians 6:14 it is 'unrighteousness,' and in eleven places it is rendered 'iniquity,' signifying any wickedness. Further, anomov, from the same root, is translated 'without law' in #1Corinthians 9:21; 'unlawful' in #2 Peter 2:8; and 'lawless' in #1 Timothy 1:9. These passages clearly indicate that the meaning of #1 John 3:4 is "Every one that practises sin, practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness:" that is, doing one's own will, regardless of all restraint of God and man. This applies whether there is a definite law or not, but when there is a definite law sin is also transgression.
The principal words used for 'sin' in the N. T. are amartia,-thma,-tanw, to deviate from a right course: and for 'transgression,' 'transgressor,' parabasiv,-bathv,-bainw, to pass by or over a boundary.
2. Sin did not originate in man, but with the devil. #1 John 3:8. It came into the world by man, and brought in death as its penalty.
3. An important point is to distinguish between 'sin' and 'sins,' a distinction which must exist after the first entrance of the principle. The 'sins' of a man are what he actually commits, and are the ground of judgment, while also proving the man to be the servant of sin. A Christian is one whose conscience has been perfected for ever by the one sacrifice for sins; the Spirit of God has brought him into the value of that one offering, hence his sins, having been borne by Christ on the cross, will never be brought to his charge as guilt upon him by God, but if he sins there is a holy gracious dealing with him on the ground of Christ's propitiation, so that he is led to confess the sin or sins, and has the joy of forgiveness. 'Sin' as to the principle, involving the alienation of all things from God since the fall of man, and especially seen in man's evil nature, has been judicially removed from before God in the cross of Christ. God has "condemned sin in the flesh" in the sacrifice of Christ, #Romans 8:3, and consequently the Spirit is given to the believer. The Lord Jesus is proclaimed as "the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world" (' not sins,' as it is often quoted). He will purge heaven and earth from sin, and in result there will be new heavens and a new earth, wherein will dwell righteousness. Though Christ tasted death for every one, or everything, He is not represented as bearing the 'sins' of all: His death as regards 'sins' being qualified by the words 'of many,' 'our sins,' &c.
4. In the important passage in #Romans 5:15-20, the word OFFENCE occurs. The Greek is paraptwma, from 'to fall off or away.' It is used for Adam's fall or sin, and God's free gift is in respect of many sins. "The law entered that the offence might abound," that is, that the offensiveness or heinousness of sin might be made manifest. The same word is translated 'fall, fault, trespass, and sin.' " [source - Concise Bible Dictionary by George Morrish]
And, Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary says,
"Adam was constituted by God the federal head and representative of all his posterity, as he was also their natural head, and therefore when he fell they fell with him #Romans 5:12-21, 1Corinthians 15:22-45 His probation was their probation, and his fall their fall. Because of Adam's first sin all his posterity came into the world in a state of sin and condemnation, i.e.,
1. a state of moral corruption, and
2. of guilt, as having judicially imputed to them the guilt of Adam's first sin."[source - Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary]
NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE RESULTS:
FIRST, It is no way a punishment from our loving God (YHWH), but simply due to the process of what could be called running down of the system because since the original sin. He is letting individuals run their own ruinous course. Like any system that is lacking maintenance, the systems of the earth run down from lack of service just as do cars, and because of the original sin, God (YHWH) simply is not doing anything but letting natural systems take their toll. This is clearly shown by Genesis 3:17-19, "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
To add to this, the abuse the inhabitants are giving to the earth, i.e., air pollution, water pollution, ground pollution, urban sprawl, noise pollution, etc. All these things are damaging our immune system as well as the immune system of the plants, and turning beneficial microbes and organisms into dangerous ones. This is causing the system to run down at a fast rate.
SECOND, The wicked spirit force ruling over this world as shown at Revelation 12:9-12, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 ¶ Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." (AV); and 1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV). This wicked spirit being that is working to ruin the earth even tried to tempt the Son of God (YHWH) as shown in Matthew 4:1-10, "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV).
So why should anyone be surprised at the degenerating conditions that now exist?
CONCLUSION:
So as can be seen, all the new diseases and bad conditions are the result of the original sin and mankind's misuse of the earth.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 219A]
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Revelation 7:9, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And Matthew 25:34, [AV],” Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” clearly showing the blessings Almighty God (YHWH) through His son shall give to obedient mankind. Also, John 10:16, [AV], reveals, “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” This harkens back to the promise given Abraham at Genesis 22:18, [AV] “And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.” Yes, per Isaiah 60:3, [AV] “And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.” God’s glory will be made known to all per Isaiah 66:18, [AV] “For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.”
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[2] WHY? THE DETERIORATION OF THE SYSTEM WE LIVE IN:
INTRODUCTION:
As we all know the entire system we live in has been going down hill from perfection. New diseases are coming along all the time, man is polluting the world he lives in, people do not live as long as they did in very ancient times even with the aid of modern medicine, more wars and instabilities throughout the world, etc. Why? These things are all the result of the fall from perfection caused by the introduction of sin in the world. Let's look at what happened and then the results.
THE INTRODUCTION OF SIN INTO THE WORLD:
Side notes in one Bible said the following,
"The Introduction of Sin. Sin occurred first in the spirit realm before its introduction on earth. For unknown ages full harmony with God prevailed in the universe. Disruption came through a spirit creature referred to simply as the Resister, Adversary (Heb., Sa•tan'; Gr., Sa•ta•nas'; Job 1:6; Romans 16:20), the principal False Accuser or Slanderer (Gr., Di•a'bo•los) of God. (Hebrews 2:14; Revelation 12:9) Hence, the apostle John says: "He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning."-1John 3:8.
By "the beginning" John clearly means the beginning of Satan's career of opposition, even as "beginning" is used to refer to the start of the discipleship of Christians at 1 John 2:7; 3:11. John's words show that, once having introduced sin, Satan continued his sinful course. Hence, any person that "makes sin his business or practice" reveals himself to be a 'child' of the Adversary, spiritual offspring reflecting the qualities of his "father." [source - The Expositor's Greek Testament, edited by W. R. Nicoll, 1967, Vol. V, p. 185; John 8:44; 1 Jo 3:10-12].
And here is more information from the Concise Bible Dictionary:
"There are many different words both in the O.T. and N.T. signifying 'sin', 'iniquity,' 'wickedness', &c., with various shades of meaning. 1. It is important to notice the scripture definition of sin. It is 'lawlessness.' #1John 3:4. Hence the distinction made between 'sin' and 'transgression,' the latter being the infraction of a known command. From Adam to Moses man "had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression," yet men had sinned and died. #Romans 5:14. A positive law was given to Adam, which he disobeyed; but from Adam to Moses no definite law was proclaimed, consequently there was no transgression, yet there was sin in the sense of lawlessness, and such sin as called for the deluge. The same distinction is plainly involved in #Romans 4:15: "Where no law is, there is no transgression," yet there may be sin, and it is averred that "as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law." #Romans 2:12.
The rendering of #1John 3:4, in the A.V., "sin is the transgression of the law," is a mistranslation. The Greek word is anomia, from a, negative, and nomov, law. This word occurs fourteen times, and in this verse only is it translated in the A. V. 'transgression of the law.' In #2Corinthians 6:14 it is 'unrighteousness,' and in eleven places it is rendered 'iniquity,' signifying any wickedness. Further, anomov, from the same root, is translated 'without law' in #1Corinthians 9:21; 'unlawful' in #2 Peter 2:8; and 'lawless' in #1 Timothy 1:9. These passages clearly indicate that the meaning of #1 John 3:4 is "Every one that practises sin, practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness:" that is, doing one's own will, regardless of all restraint of God and man. This applies whether there is a definite law or not, but when there is a definite law sin is also transgression.
The principal words used for 'sin' in the N. T. are amartia,-thma,-tanw, to deviate from a right course: and for 'transgression,' 'transgressor,' parabasiv,-bathv,-bainw, to pass by or over a boundary.
2. Sin did not originate in man, but with the devil. #1 John 3:8. It came into the world by man, and brought in death as its penalty.
3. An important point is to distinguish between 'sin' and 'sins,' a distinction which must exist after the first entrance of the principle. The 'sins' of a man are what he actually commits, and are the ground of judgment, while also proving the man to be the servant of sin. A Christian is one whose conscience has been perfected for ever by the one sacrifice for sins; the Spirit of God has brought him into the value of that one offering, hence his sins, having been borne by Christ on the cross, will never be brought to his charge as guilt upon him by God, but if he sins there is a holy gracious dealing with him on the ground of Christ's propitiation, so that he is led to confess the sin or sins, and has the joy of forgiveness. 'Sin' as to the principle, involving the alienation of all things from God since the fall of man, and especially seen in man's evil nature, has been judicially removed from before God in the cross of Christ. God has "condemned sin in the flesh" in the sacrifice of Christ, #Romans 8:3, and consequently the Spirit is given to the believer. The Lord Jesus is proclaimed as "the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world" (' not sins,' as it is often quoted). He will purge heaven and earth from sin, and in result there will be new heavens and a new earth, wherein will dwell righteousness. Though Christ tasted death for every one, or everything, He is not represented as bearing the 'sins' of all: His death as regards 'sins' being qualified by the words 'of many,' 'our sins,' &c.
4. In the important passage in #Romans 5:15-20, the word OFFENCE occurs. The Greek is paraptwma, from 'to fall off or away.' It is used for Adam's fall or sin, and God's free gift is in respect of many sins. "The law entered that the offence might abound," that is, that the offensiveness or heinousness of sin might be made manifest. The same word is translated 'fall, fault, trespass, and sin.' " [source - Concise Bible Dictionary by George Morrish]
And, Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary says,
"Adam was constituted by God the federal head and representative of all his posterity, as he was also their natural head, and therefore when he fell they fell with him #Romans 5:12-21, 1Corinthians 15:22-45 His probation was their probation, and his fall their fall. Because of Adam's first sin all his posterity came into the world in a state of sin and condemnation, i.e.,
1. a state of moral corruption, and
2. of guilt, as having judicially imputed to them the guilt of Adam's first sin."[source - Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary]
NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE RESULTS:
FIRST, It is no way a punishment from our loving God (YHWH), but simply due to the process of what could be called running down of the system because since the original sin. He is letting individuals run their own ruinous course. Like any system that is lacking maintenance, the systems of the earth run down from lack of service just as do cars, and because of the original sin, God (YHWH) simply is not doing anything but letting natural systems take their toll. This is clearly shown by Genesis 3:17-19, "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
To add to this, the abuse the inhabitants are giving to the earth, i.e., air pollution, water pollution, ground pollution, urban sprawl, noise pollution, etc. All these things are damaging our immune system as well as the immune system of the plants, and turning beneficial microbes and organisms into dangerous ones. This is causing the system to run down at a fast rate.
SECOND, The wicked spirit force ruling over this world as shown at Revelation 12:9-12, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 ¶ Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." (AV); and 1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV). This wicked spirit being that is working to ruin the earth even tried to tempt the Son of God (YHWH) as shown in Matthew 4:1-10, "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV).
So why should anyone be surprised at the degenerating conditions that now exist?
CONCLUSION:
So as can be seen, all the new diseases and bad conditions are the result of the original sin and mankind's misuse of the earth.
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 220A]
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6 [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This is emphised at john 1:17 - 18, [AV] “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” As John 1:4, points out, [AV] “In him was life; and the life was the light of men.” Jesus (yeshua) was sent by His Father to bring light to the world as shown by John 5:19, [AV] “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
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[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Maranta spp. and Sagittaria spp., Arrowhead/Wapato.
Abundance: uncommon
What: tubers, young leaves, young flower stalks
How: boiled, roasted
Where: marshes, water
When: tubers all year, best in late fall and early winter; young leaves in early summer; flower stalks well before flower buds have opened.
Nutritional Value: carbohydrates
Dangers: Beware the similar-looking arrow arum, (Peltandra virginica) plant which has an arrowhead-shaped leaf and produces tubers same as Sagittaria species.
Found in marshes, rivers, lakes and ponds, the arrowhead plant’s distinctive leaf and flowers are easy to spot. Most arrowhead plants have three-pointed leaves shape like an arrowhead, with either the top point bigger and broader than or the same as the two downward pointing points. The vein pattern in the leaves of Sagittaria species is palmate, which means the leaves have numerous thick veins running from the stem out to the tips and sides. THIS PAMATE VENATION IS IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH THE EDIBLE SAGITTARIA FROM TOXIC ARUM SPECIES.
Traditionally arrowroot tubers are freed from the mud by tearing them from the roots while walking barefoot in the water. The tubers float to the surface where the can be collected. They are prepared for eating by first peeling the bitter outer skin, followed by cooking any way you would cook a potato. The young leaves are harvested and boiled before they've had a chance to unroll/unfurl. The flower stalk is cooked like asparagus but it must be harvested before its flower buds have opened. Note, any plants harvested from water must be cooked to avoid imbibing any toxic pathogens.
Note that arrowhead tubers do not store very well, unlike traditional potatoes. If you want to keep them make sure you are storing only perfect, undamaged tubers and place them in moist, clean sand in a cool, dark place.
TOXIC MIMIC: ARROW ARUM PLANT
Arrow arum plants (Peltandra virginica) grow in wetlands, and have a leaves-with the same arrowhead-shape as the edible Sagittaria, as well as similar tubers. All parts of the arum plants are filled with calcium oxalate which will cause painful burning sensations in the lips, mouth, and throat if eaten. To tell the difference between arrowhead plants and Arum arrowhead plants look at the pattern of veins in the leaves. Toxic arrow Arum leaves have only three main veins, one each running out from the center out to the points of its leaf. From these three main veins branch out smaller veins, much like you see in a "normal" leaf of other plants. The edible arrowhead leaf has many veins radiating out from the center of the leaf where it connects to the stem, making it kind of look like a spider. These veins meet up again at the tips/points of the Sagittaria leaf. [source - retrieved from http://www.foragingtexas.com/2008/08/arrowroot_20.html on 3/15/2015]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 220A]
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6 [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This is emphised at john 1:17 - 18, [AV] “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” As John 1:4, points out, [AV] “In him was life; and the life was the light of men.” Jesus (yeshua) was sent by His Father to bring light to the world as shown by John 5:19, [AV] “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
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[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Maranta spp. and Sagittaria spp., Arrowhead/Wapato.
Abundance: uncommon
What: tubers, young leaves, young flower stalks
How: boiled, roasted
Where: marshes, water
When: tubers all year, best in late fall and early winter; young leaves in early summer; flower stalks well before flower buds have opened.
Nutritional Value: carbohydrates
Dangers: Beware the similar-looking arrow arum, (Peltandra virginica) plant which has an arrowhead-shaped leaf and produces tubers same as Sagittaria species.
Found in marshes, rivers, lakes and ponds, the arrowhead plant’s distinctive leaf and flowers are easy to spot. Most arrowhead plants have three-pointed leaves shape like an arrowhead, with either the top point bigger and broader than or the same as the two downward pointing points. The vein pattern in the leaves of Sagittaria species is palmate, which means the leaves have numerous thick veins running from the stem out to the tips and sides. THIS PAMATE VENATION IS IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH THE EDIBLE SAGITTARIA FROM TOXIC ARUM SPECIES.
Traditionally arrowroot tubers are freed from the mud by tearing them from the roots while walking barefoot in the water. The tubers float to the surface where the can be collected. They are prepared for eating by first peeling the bitter outer skin, followed by cooking any way you would cook a potato. The young leaves are harvested and boiled before they've had a chance to unroll/unfurl. The flower stalk is cooked like asparagus but it must be harvested before its flower buds have opened. Note, any plants harvested from water must be cooked to avoid imbibing any toxic pathogens.
Note that arrowhead tubers do not store very well, unlike traditional potatoes. If you want to keep them make sure you are storing only perfect, undamaged tubers and place them in moist, clean sand in a cool, dark place.
TOXIC MIMIC: ARROW ARUM PLANT
Arrow arum plants (Peltandra virginica) grow in wetlands, and have a leaves-with the same arrowhead-shape as the edible Sagittaria, as well as similar tubers. All parts of the arum plants are filled with calcium oxalate which will cause painful burning sensations in the lips, mouth, and throat if eaten. To tell the difference between arrowhead plants and Arum arrowhead plants look at the pattern of veins in the leaves. Toxic arrow Arum leaves have only three main veins, one each running out from the center out to the points of its leaf. From these three main veins branch out smaller veins, much like you see in a "normal" leaf of other plants. The edible arrowhead leaf has many veins radiating out from the center of the leaf where it connects to the stem, making it kind of look like a spider. These veins meet up again at the tips/points of the Sagittaria leaf. [source - retrieved from http://www.foragingtexas.com/2008/08/arrowroot_20.html on 3/15/2015]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] WHY? THE DETERIORATION OF THE SYSTEM WE LIVE IN:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 221A]
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Psalms 51:5, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This resulted from the original sin committed by Adam, and as Genesis 3:16, [AV] says, “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” However, this condition will NOT exist forever as Romans 3:24, clearly shows, [AV] “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:” Jesus (Yeshua) provided a way out for obedient mankind. Yes through him per Ephesians 3:2, [AV] “If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you–ward:”
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[2] WHY? THE DETERIORATION OF THE SYSTEM WE LIVE IN:
INTRODUCTION:
As we all know the entire system we live in has been going down hill from perfection. New diseases are coming along all the time, man is polluting the world he lives in, people do not live as long as they did in very ancient times even with the aid of modern medicine, more wars and instabilities throughout the world, etc. Why? These things are all the result of the fall from perfection caused by the introduction of sin in the world. Let's look at what happened and then the results.
THE INTRODUCTION OF SIN INTO THE WORLD:
Side notes in one Bible said the following,
"The Introduction of Sin. Sin occurred first in the spirit realm before its introduction on earth. For unknown ages full harmony with God prevailed in the universe. Disruption came through a spirit creature referred to simply as the Resister, Adversary (Heb., Sa•tan'; Gr., Sa•ta•nas'; Job 1:6; Romans 16:20), the principal False Accuser or Slanderer (Gr., Di•a'bo•los) of God. (Hebrews 2:14; Revelation 12:9) Hence, the apostle John says: "He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning."-1John 3:8.
By "the beginning" John clearly means the beginning of Satan's career of opposition, even as "beginning" is used to refer to the start of the discipleship of Christians at 1 John 2:7; 3:11. John's words show that, once having introduced sin, Satan continued his sinful course. Hence, any person that "makes sin his business or practice" reveals himself to be a 'child' of the Adversary, spiritual offspring reflecting the qualities of his "father." [source - The Expositor's Greek Testament, edited by W. R. Nicoll, 1967, Vol. V, p. 185; John 8:44; 1 Jo 3:10-12].
And here is more information from the Concise Bible Dictionary:
"There are many different words both in the O.T. and N.T. signifying 'sin', 'iniquity,' 'wickedness', &c., with various shades of meaning. 1. It is important to notice the scripture definition of sin. It is 'lawlessness.' #1John 3:4. Hence the distinction made between 'sin' and 'transgression,' the latter being the infraction of a known command. From Adam to Moses man "had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression," yet men had sinned and died. #Romans 5:14. A positive law was given to Adam, which he disobeyed; but from Adam to Moses no definite law was proclaimed, consequently there was no transgression, yet there was sin in the sense of lawlessness, and such sin as called for the deluge. The same distinction is plainly involved in #Romans 4:15: "Where no law is, there is no transgression," yet there may be sin, and it is averred that "as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law." #Romans 2:12.
The rendering of #1John 3:4, in the A.V., "sin is the transgression of the law," is a mistranslation. The Greek word is anomia, from a, negative, and nomov, law. This word occurs fourteen times, and in this verse only is it translated in the A. V. 'transgression of the law.' In #2Corinthians 6:14 it is 'unrighteousness,' and in eleven places it is rendered 'iniquity,' signifying any wickedness. Further, anomov, from the same root, is translated 'without law' in #1Corinthians 9:21; 'unlawful' in #2 Peter 2:8; and 'lawless' in #1 Timothy 1:9. These passages clearly indicate that the meaning of #1 John 3:4 is "Every one that practises sin, practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness:" that is, doing one's own will, regardless of all restraint of God and man. This applies whether there is a definite law or not, but when there is a definite law sin is also transgression.
The principal words used for 'sin' in the N. T. are amartia,-thma,-tanw, to deviate from a right course: and for 'transgression,' 'transgressor,' parabasiv,-bathv,-bainw, to pass by or over a boundary.
2. Sin did not originate in man, but with the devil. #1 John 3:8. It came into the world by man, and brought in death as its penalty.
3. An important point is to distinguish between 'sin' and 'sins,' a distinction which must exist after the first entrance of the principle. The 'sins' of a man are what he actually commits, and are the ground of judgment, while also proving the man to be the servant of sin. A Christian is one whose conscience has been perfected for ever by the one sacrifice for sins; the Spirit of God has brought him into the value of that one offering, hence his sins, having been borne by Christ on the cross, will never be brought to his charge as guilt upon him by God, but if he sins there is a holy gracious dealing with him on the ground of Christ's propitiation, so that he is led to confess the sin or sins, and has the joy of forgiveness. 'Sin' as to the principle, involving the alienation of all things from God since the fall of man, and especially seen in man's evil nature, has been judicially removed from before God in the cross of Christ. God has "condemned sin in the flesh" in the sacrifice of Christ, #Romans 8:3, and consequently the Spirit is given to the believer. The Lord Jesus is proclaimed as "the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world" (' not sins,' as it is often quoted). He will purge heaven and earth from sin, and in result there will be new heavens and a new earth, wherein will dwell righteousness. Though Christ tasted death for every one, or everything, He is not represented as bearing the 'sins' of all: His death as regards 'sins' being qualified by the words 'of many,' 'our sins,' &c.
4. In the important passage in #Romans 5:15-20, the word OFFENCE occurs. The Greek is paraptwma, from 'to fall off or away.' It is used for Adam's fall or sin, and God's free gift is in respect of many sins. "The law entered that the offence might abound," that is, that the offensiveness or heinousness of sin might be made manifest. The same word is translated 'fall, fault, trespass, and sin.' " [source - Concise Bible Dictionary by George Morrish]
And, Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary says,
"Adam was constituted by God the federal head and representative of all his posterity, as he was also their natural head, and therefore when he fell they fell with him #Romans 5:12-21, 1Corinthians 15:22-45 His probation was their probation, and his fall their fall. Because of Adam's first sin all his posterity came into the world in a state of sin and condemnation, i.e.,
1. a state of moral corruption, and
2. of guilt, as having judicially imputed to them the guilt of Adam's first sin."[source - Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary]
NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE RESULTS:
FIRST, It is no way a punishment from our loving God (YHWH), but simply due to the process of what could be called running down of the system because since the original sin. He is letting individuals run their own ruinous course. Like any system that is lacking maintenance, the systems of the earth run down from lack of service just as do cars, and because of the original sin, God (YHWH) simply is not doing anything but letting natural systems take their toll. This is clearly shown by Genesis 3:17-19, "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
To add to this, the abuse the inhabitants are giving to the earth, i.e., air pollution, water pollution, ground pollution, urban sprawl, noise pollution, etc. All these things are damaging our immune system as well as the immune system of the plants, and turning beneficial microbes and organisms into dangerous ones. This is causing the system to run down at a fast rate.
SECOND, The wicked spirit force ruling over this world as shown at Revelation 12:9-12, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 ¶ Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." (AV); and 1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV). This wicked spirit being that is working to ruin the earth even tried to tempt the Son of God (YHWH) as shown in Matthew 4:1-10, "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV).
So why should anyone be surprised at the degenerating conditions that now exist?
CONCLUSION:
So as can be seen, all the new diseases and bad conditions are the result of the original sin and mankind's misuse of the earth.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 221A]
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Psalms 51:5, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This resulted from the original sin committed by Adam, and as Genesis 3:16, [AV] says, “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” However, this condition will NOT exist forever as Romans 3:24, clearly shows, [AV] “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:” Jesus (Yeshua) provided a way out for obedient mankind. Yes through him per Ephesians 3:2, [AV] “If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you–ward:”
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Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth. "Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to WWW.JW.ORG!
[2] WHY? THE DETERIORATION OF THE SYSTEM WE LIVE IN:
INTRODUCTION:
As we all know the entire system we live in has been going down hill from perfection. New diseases are coming along all the time, man is polluting the world he lives in, people do not live as long as they did in very ancient times even with the aid of modern medicine, more wars and instabilities throughout the world, etc. Why? These things are all the result of the fall from perfection caused by the introduction of sin in the world. Let's look at what happened and then the results.
THE INTRODUCTION OF SIN INTO THE WORLD:
Side notes in one Bible said the following,
"The Introduction of Sin. Sin occurred first in the spirit realm before its introduction on earth. For unknown ages full harmony with God prevailed in the universe. Disruption came through a spirit creature referred to simply as the Resister, Adversary (Heb., Sa•tan'; Gr., Sa•ta•nas'; Job 1:6; Romans 16:20), the principal False Accuser or Slanderer (Gr., Di•a'bo•los) of God. (Hebrews 2:14; Revelation 12:9) Hence, the apostle John says: "He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning."-1John 3:8.
By "the beginning" John clearly means the beginning of Satan's career of opposition, even as "beginning" is used to refer to the start of the discipleship of Christians at 1 John 2:7; 3:11. John's words show that, once having introduced sin, Satan continued his sinful course. Hence, any person that "makes sin his business or practice" reveals himself to be a 'child' of the Adversary, spiritual offspring reflecting the qualities of his "father." [source - The Expositor's Greek Testament, edited by W. R. Nicoll, 1967, Vol. V, p. 185; John 8:44; 1 Jo 3:10-12].
And here is more information from the Concise Bible Dictionary:
"There are many different words both in the O.T. and N.T. signifying 'sin', 'iniquity,' 'wickedness', &c., with various shades of meaning. 1. It is important to notice the scripture definition of sin. It is 'lawlessness.' #1John 3:4. Hence the distinction made between 'sin' and 'transgression,' the latter being the infraction of a known command. From Adam to Moses man "had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression," yet men had sinned and died. #Romans 5:14. A positive law was given to Adam, which he disobeyed; but from Adam to Moses no definite law was proclaimed, consequently there was no transgression, yet there was sin in the sense of lawlessness, and such sin as called for the deluge. The same distinction is plainly involved in #Romans 4:15: "Where no law is, there is no transgression," yet there may be sin, and it is averred that "as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law." #Romans 2:12.
The rendering of #1John 3:4, in the A.V., "sin is the transgression of the law," is a mistranslation. The Greek word is anomia, from a, negative, and nomov, law. This word occurs fourteen times, and in this verse only is it translated in the A. V. 'transgression of the law.' In #2Corinthians 6:14 it is 'unrighteousness,' and in eleven places it is rendered 'iniquity,' signifying any wickedness. Further, anomov, from the same root, is translated 'without law' in #1Corinthians 9:21; 'unlawful' in #2 Peter 2:8; and 'lawless' in #1 Timothy 1:9. These passages clearly indicate that the meaning of #1 John 3:4 is "Every one that practises sin, practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness:" that is, doing one's own will, regardless of all restraint of God and man. This applies whether there is a definite law or not, but when there is a definite law sin is also transgression.
The principal words used for 'sin' in the N. T. are amartia,-thma,-tanw, to deviate from a right course: and for 'transgression,' 'transgressor,' parabasiv,-bathv,-bainw, to pass by or over a boundary.
2. Sin did not originate in man, but with the devil. #1 John 3:8. It came into the world by man, and brought in death as its penalty.
3. An important point is to distinguish between 'sin' and 'sins,' a distinction which must exist after the first entrance of the principle. The 'sins' of a man are what he actually commits, and are the ground of judgment, while also proving the man to be the servant of sin. A Christian is one whose conscience has been perfected for ever by the one sacrifice for sins; the Spirit of God has brought him into the value of that one offering, hence his sins, having been borne by Christ on the cross, will never be brought to his charge as guilt upon him by God, but if he sins there is a holy gracious dealing with him on the ground of Christ's propitiation, so that he is led to confess the sin or sins, and has the joy of forgiveness. 'Sin' as to the principle, involving the alienation of all things from God since the fall of man, and especially seen in man's evil nature, has been judicially removed from before God in the cross of Christ. God has "condemned sin in the flesh" in the sacrifice of Christ, #Romans 8:3, and consequently the Spirit is given to the believer. The Lord Jesus is proclaimed as "the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world" (' not sins,' as it is often quoted). He will purge heaven and earth from sin, and in result there will be new heavens and a new earth, wherein will dwell righteousness. Though Christ tasted death for every one, or everything, He is not represented as bearing the 'sins' of all: His death as regards 'sins' being qualified by the words 'of many,' 'our sins,' &c.
4. In the important passage in #Romans 5:15-20, the word OFFENCE occurs. The Greek is paraptwma, from 'to fall off or away.' It is used for Adam's fall or sin, and God's free gift is in respect of many sins. "The law entered that the offence might abound," that is, that the offensiveness or heinousness of sin might be made manifest. The same word is translated 'fall, fault, trespass, and sin.' " [source - Concise Bible Dictionary by George Morrish]
And, Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary says,
"Adam was constituted by God the federal head and representative of all his posterity, as he was also their natural head, and therefore when he fell they fell with him #Romans 5:12-21, 1Corinthians 15:22-45 His probation was their probation, and his fall their fall. Because of Adam's first sin all his posterity came into the world in a state of sin and condemnation, i.e.,
1. a state of moral corruption, and
2. of guilt, as having judicially imputed to them the guilt of Adam's first sin."[source - Easton's Revised Bible Dictionary]
NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE RESULTS:
FIRST, It is no way a punishment from our loving God (YHWH), but simply due to the process of what could be called running down of the system because since the original sin. He is letting individuals run their own ruinous course. Like any system that is lacking maintenance, the systems of the earth run down from lack of service just as do cars, and because of the original sin, God (YHWH) simply is not doing anything but letting natural systems take their toll. This is clearly shown by Genesis 3:17-19, "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
To add to this, the abuse the inhabitants are giving to the earth, i.e., air pollution, water pollution, ground pollution, urban sprawl, noise pollution, etc. All these things are damaging our immune system as well as the immune system of the plants, and turning beneficial microbes and organisms into dangerous ones. This is causing the system to run down at a fast rate.
SECOND, The wicked spirit force ruling over this world as shown at Revelation 12:9-12, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 ¶ Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." (AV); and 1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV). This wicked spirit being that is working to ruin the earth even tried to tempt the Son of God (YHWH) as shown in Matthew 4:1-10, "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV).
So why should anyone be surprised at the degenerating conditions that now exist?
CONCLUSION:
So as can be seen, all the new diseases and bad conditions are the result of the original sin and mankind's misuse of the earth.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 222A]
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:35, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As Romans 13:8 says, [AV] “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” And 1 Corinthians 13:8, says, [AV] “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.” Yes, we should assist others in bearing their burden in these critical times as emphasized at Galatians 6:2, [AV] “Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
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[2] WORSHIPERS OF FALSE GODS ARE IRRATIONAL
INTRODUCTION:
The hypothesis is that worshippers through the ages are extremely irrational based on how worshippers of false gods reacted as recorded in 1 Kings 18:21-29, "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
This hypothesis will be proven and/or disproved by contrasting how worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham react to a very provocative cartoons with how worshippers of false god(s) such as the old middle eastern Moon god act as to whether they act irrationally or rationally. This hypothesis will be proven by actual reactions of the two groups to provocative cartoons.
REACTION OF WORSHIPPERS OF TRUE GOD (YHWH) TO PROVOCATIVE CARTOONS:
Let's look at how worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham react to a series of provocative cartoon meant to anger and provoke them as shown by a newspaper article:
<<"Muslim cartoon provokes fury among UK Jews
By Marie Woolf, Political Editor
Published: 05 February 2006
An anti-Semitic cartoon in a Muslim paper, which depicts Israel's acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, as a hook-nosed figure wearing a giant Star of David, last night drew protests from MPs and Jewish groups.
For days, Muslims across the world have been protesting about European newspapers that published drawings showing the Prophet Mohamed. One MP accused the editors of hypocrisy.
Yesterday a newspaper published cartoons that Jewish groups say they find offensive, and US generals protested about a cartoon in the Washington Post. It showed Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Secretary, beside a limbless soldier, but the generals said, on behalf of the normally robust Mr Rumsfeld, that the drawing was "tasteless".
The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."
Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."
A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth."
Cartoonists are defending their right to lampoon public and religious figures, even the prophet Mohamed. Dave Brown, of The Independent, said: "If there was some important strong, valid point which would have necessitated the drawing of Mohamed, then fine. The one with the turban in the shape of a bomb: the only point it makes is that all Muslims are terrorists, which is crass, stupid and objectionable."
Ralph Steadman said: "I can draw whatever comes into my mind if whatever comes into my mind is legitimate. If it does not incite violence or cause people to get hurt or endangered, I can produce that drawing and make it what it is."
An anti-Semitic cartoon in a Muslim paper, which depicts Israel's acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, as a hook-nosed figure wearing a giant Star of David, last night drew protests from MPs and Jewish groups.
For days, Muslims across the world have been protesting about European newspapers that published drawings showing the Prophet Mohamed. One MP accused the editors of hypocrisy.
Yesterday a newspaper published cartoons that Jewish groups say they find offensive, and US generals protested about a cartoon in the Washington Post. It showed Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Secretary, beside a limbless soldier, but the generals said, on behalf of the normally robust Mr Rumsfeld, that the drawing was "tasteless".
The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."
Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."
A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth."
Cartoonists are defending their right to lampoon public and religious figures, even the prophet Mohamed. Dave Brown, of The Independent, said: "If there was some important strong, valid point which would have necessitated the drawing of Mohamed, then fine. The one with the turban in the shape of a bomb: the only point it makes is that all Muslims are terrorists, which is crass, stupid and objectionable."
Ralph Steadman said: "I can draw whatever comes into my mind if whatever comes into my mind is legitimate. If it does not incite violence or cause people to get hurt or endangered, I can produce that drawing and make it what it is."
[source - The Online Edition Independent, Sunday 05/2006]">>
The rational reaction to these provocative anti-Jewish cartoons was rational. Why? Because the Jews are worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham even though they were not always faithful to him. The reaction can be summarized as follows, <<" The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people.">>. As can be seen the reaction was one of rational people, and not an irrational reaction such as the reaction of 1 Kings 18:27-29, " And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded." (AV).
REACTION OF WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S) TO PROVOCATIVE CARTOONS:
Let's look at how worshippers of false god(s), such as the old middle eastern Moon god, react to a series of provocative cartoon meant to anger and provoke them as shown by a newspaper article. We will look at several newspaper accounts of their reactions:
First, <<" DAMASCUS, Syria - Several thousand Syrian demonstrators set the Danish and the Norwegian embassies on fire on Saturday to protest at the publishing of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad by European newspapers. The protest marked an escalation in the Muslim world's uproar over the cartoons, which have been reprinted in a number of European publications. One depicted Prophet Mohammad wearing a turban resembling a bomb. The fire badly damaged the Danish embassy's building, a Reuters witness said. Firefighters put out the blaze.
[source - Embassies torched as cartoon furor grows by Reuters]">>
Second, <<"'Cartoons Infused Muslims With a Spirit of Defiance'
Arab News
JEDDAH, 4 February 2006 - An influential imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah proclaimed a new spirit of defiance among Muslims after worldwide protests over cartoons denigrating the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in European newspapers.
"A great new spirit is flowing through the body of the Islamic Ummah... The world can no longer ignore this Ummah and its feelings," Saleh Bin-Humaid said while delivering his Friday sermon.
"The nation has worked hard in support of its Prophet Muhammad in recent days. It is the right of every Muslim to show joy at this defense of our beloved Prophet," he told hundreds of thousands of faithful who packed the Grand Mosque.
Bin-Humaid commended the leading role played by Saudi Arabia in campaigns protesting the provocative cartoons. The Kingdom withdrew its ambassador to Denmark, saying the government had not done enough to assuage anger over the cartoons published last September in the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.
...
Flemish newspapers yesterday printed a slew of cartoons of the Prophet, including those published by Jyllands-Posten. "Right for Satire," said a front-page headline in Het Nieuwsblad. An editorial in the newspaper called the outcry over the cartoons an attack on freedom of expression.
[source - Arab News - The Middle East's Leading English Language Daily]">>
Third, <<" Syria voices regret over embassy attacks
DAMASCUS - Syria voiced its regret over attacks against the Danish and Norwegian diplomatic missions in Damascus by angry mobs protesting at cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed as a terrorist. Crowds stormed the buildings housing two embassies on Saturday, setting fire to both and pillaging the contents of the first-floor office of the Chilean embassy in one of the buildings. "The foreign ministry expresses its regret over the acts of violence which accompanied the protests yesterday, which caused damage to embassies in Damascus," the ministry said in a statement.
[source - AFP via Yahoo! News on 02/05/2006]">>
Fourth, <<" BEIRUT, Lebanon - Thousands of Muslims rampaged Sunday in Beirut, setting fire to the Danish Embassy, burning Danish flags and lobbing stones at a Maronite Catholic church as violent protests over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad spread from neighboring Syria. Troops fired bullets into the air and used tear gas and water cannons to push the crowds back after a small group of Islamic extremists tried to break through the security barrier outside the embassy. Flames and smoke billowed from the building. Security officials said at least 30 people were injured.
[source - Associated Press 12:00 AM, 02/05/2006]">>
These newspaper accounts speak for themselves with respect to the very irrational reaction of worshippers of the old middle eastern Moon god. The worshippers of this false god are attacking even individuals and groups, such as the Maronite Catholic church that have absolutely NO connection to the provocative cartoons they are objecting to.
CONCLUSION:
The very irrational acts and reactions of false god(s) of ancient times as shown in 1 Kings 18:21-29, previously quoted, and the present day very irrational acts and reactions clearly prove the hypothesis that worshippers of false god(s) do NOT react rational. Even over thousands of years, worshippers of false god(s) remain the same; to wit, reacting very irrational to the slightest provocation.
Whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham do not react irrationally to the slightest provocation even though it is the exact same type of provocative thing, i.e., provocative cartoons. Clearly there is a major difference in the reactions of the two groups. The worshippers of false god(s) react violently and very irrationally; whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) react very rationally.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 222A]
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:35, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As Romans 13:8 says, [AV] “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” And 1 Corinthians 13:8, says, [AV] “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.” Yes, we should assist others in bearing their burden in these critical times as emphasized at Galatians 6:2, [AV] “Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
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[2] WORSHIPERS OF FALSE GODS ARE IRRATIONAL
INTRODUCTION:
The hypothesis is that worshippers through the ages are extremely irrational based on how worshippers of false gods reacted as recorded in 1 Kings 18:21-29, "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
This hypothesis will be proven and/or disproved by contrasting how worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham react to a very provocative cartoons with how worshippers of false god(s) such as the old middle eastern Moon god act as to whether they act irrationally or rationally. This hypothesis will be proven by actual reactions of the two groups to provocative cartoons.
REACTION OF WORSHIPPERS OF TRUE GOD (YHWH) TO PROVOCATIVE CARTOONS:
Let's look at how worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham react to a series of provocative cartoon meant to anger and provoke them as shown by a newspaper article:
<<"Muslim cartoon provokes fury among UK Jews
By Marie Woolf, Political Editor
Published: 05 February 2006
An anti-Semitic cartoon in a Muslim paper, which depicts Israel's acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, as a hook-nosed figure wearing a giant Star of David, last night drew protests from MPs and Jewish groups.
For days, Muslims across the world have been protesting about European newspapers that published drawings showing the Prophet Mohamed. One MP accused the editors of hypocrisy.
Yesterday a newspaper published cartoons that Jewish groups say they find offensive, and US generals protested about a cartoon in the Washington Post. It showed Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Secretary, beside a limbless soldier, but the generals said, on behalf of the normally robust Mr Rumsfeld, that the drawing was "tasteless".
The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."
Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."
A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth."
Cartoonists are defending their right to lampoon public and religious figures, even the prophet Mohamed. Dave Brown, of The Independent, said: "If there was some important strong, valid point which would have necessitated the drawing of Mohamed, then fine. The one with the turban in the shape of a bomb: the only point it makes is that all Muslims are terrorists, which is crass, stupid and objectionable."
Ralph Steadman said: "I can draw whatever comes into my mind if whatever comes into my mind is legitimate. If it does not incite violence or cause people to get hurt or endangered, I can produce that drawing and make it what it is."
An anti-Semitic cartoon in a Muslim paper, which depicts Israel's acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, as a hook-nosed figure wearing a giant Star of David, last night drew protests from MPs and Jewish groups.
For days, Muslims across the world have been protesting about European newspapers that published drawings showing the Prophet Mohamed. One MP accused the editors of hypocrisy.
Yesterday a newspaper published cartoons that Jewish groups say they find offensive, and US generals protested about a cartoon in the Washington Post. It showed Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Secretary, beside a limbless soldier, but the generals said, on behalf of the normally robust Mr Rumsfeld, that the drawing was "tasteless".
The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."
Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."
A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth."
Cartoonists are defending their right to lampoon public and religious figures, even the prophet Mohamed. Dave Brown, of The Independent, said: "If there was some important strong, valid point which would have necessitated the drawing of Mohamed, then fine. The one with the turban in the shape of a bomb: the only point it makes is that all Muslims are terrorists, which is crass, stupid and objectionable."
Ralph Steadman said: "I can draw whatever comes into my mind if whatever comes into my mind is legitimate. If it does not incite violence or cause people to get hurt or endangered, I can produce that drawing and make it what it is."
[source - The Online Edition Independent, Sunday 05/2006]">>
The rational reaction to these provocative anti-Jewish cartoons was rational. Why? Because the Jews are worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham even though they were not always faithful to him. The reaction can be summarized as follows, <<" The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people.">>. As can be seen the reaction was one of rational people, and not an irrational reaction such as the reaction of 1 Kings 18:27-29, " And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded." (AV).
REACTION OF WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S) TO PROVOCATIVE CARTOONS:
Let's look at how worshippers of false god(s), such as the old middle eastern Moon god, react to a series of provocative cartoon meant to anger and provoke them as shown by a newspaper article. We will look at several newspaper accounts of their reactions:
First, <<" DAMASCUS, Syria - Several thousand Syrian demonstrators set the Danish and the Norwegian embassies on fire on Saturday to protest at the publishing of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad by European newspapers. The protest marked an escalation in the Muslim world's uproar over the cartoons, which have been reprinted in a number of European publications. One depicted Prophet Mohammad wearing a turban resembling a bomb. The fire badly damaged the Danish embassy's building, a Reuters witness said. Firefighters put out the blaze.
[source - Embassies torched as cartoon furor grows by Reuters]">>
Second, <<"'Cartoons Infused Muslims With a Spirit of Defiance'
Arab News
JEDDAH, 4 February 2006 - An influential imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah proclaimed a new spirit of defiance among Muslims after worldwide protests over cartoons denigrating the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in European newspapers.
"A great new spirit is flowing through the body of the Islamic Ummah... The world can no longer ignore this Ummah and its feelings," Saleh Bin-Humaid said while delivering his Friday sermon.
"The nation has worked hard in support of its Prophet Muhammad in recent days. It is the right of every Muslim to show joy at this defense of our beloved Prophet," he told hundreds of thousands of faithful who packed the Grand Mosque.
Bin-Humaid commended the leading role played by Saudi Arabia in campaigns protesting the provocative cartoons. The Kingdom withdrew its ambassador to Denmark, saying the government had not done enough to assuage anger over the cartoons published last September in the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.
...
Flemish newspapers yesterday printed a slew of cartoons of the Prophet, including those published by Jyllands-Posten. "Right for Satire," said a front-page headline in Het Nieuwsblad. An editorial in the newspaper called the outcry over the cartoons an attack on freedom of expression.
[source - Arab News - The Middle East's Leading English Language Daily]">>
Third, <<" Syria voices regret over embassy attacks
DAMASCUS - Syria voiced its regret over attacks against the Danish and Norwegian diplomatic missions in Damascus by angry mobs protesting at cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed as a terrorist. Crowds stormed the buildings housing two embassies on Saturday, setting fire to both and pillaging the contents of the first-floor office of the Chilean embassy in one of the buildings. "The foreign ministry expresses its regret over the acts of violence which accompanied the protests yesterday, which caused damage to embassies in Damascus," the ministry said in a statement.
[source - AFP via Yahoo! News on 02/05/2006]">>
Fourth, <<" BEIRUT, Lebanon - Thousands of Muslims rampaged Sunday in Beirut, setting fire to the Danish Embassy, burning Danish flags and lobbing stones at a Maronite Catholic church as violent protests over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad spread from neighboring Syria. Troops fired bullets into the air and used tear gas and water cannons to push the crowds back after a small group of Islamic extremists tried to break through the security barrier outside the embassy. Flames and smoke billowed from the building. Security officials said at least 30 people were injured.
[source - Associated Press 12:00 AM, 02/05/2006]">>
These newspaper accounts speak for themselves with respect to the very irrational reaction of worshippers of the old middle eastern Moon god. The worshippers of this false god are attacking even individuals and groups, such as the Maronite Catholic church that have absolutely NO connection to the provocative cartoons they are objecting to.
CONCLUSION:
The very irrational acts and reactions of false god(s) of ancient times as shown in 1 Kings 18:21-29, previously quoted, and the present day very irrational acts and reactions clearly prove the hypothesis that worshippers of false god(s) do NOT react rational. Even over thousands of years, worshippers of false god(s) remain the same; to wit, reacting very irrational to the slightest provocation.
Whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham do not react irrationally to the slightest provocation even though it is the exact same type of provocative thing, i.e., provocative cartoons. Clearly there is a major difference in the reactions of the two groups. The worshippers of false god(s) react violently and very irrationally; whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) react very rationally.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 223A]
And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s, 30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. Mark 10:29 – 30, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
We must unconditionally love our Creator above all else as revealed by Matthew 10:37, [AV] “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” And everyone who does this is promised in Matthew 19:29, [AV] “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” Yes, in God’s kingdom everyone doing this shall per Luke 18:30, [AV] “Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.” However, in this system, His genuine followers will be as shown by Matthew 5:11, [AV] “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
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[2] FALSE GOD WORSHIPPERS IRRATIONAL
INTRODUCTION:
As Time Magazine writer Andrew Sullivan put it,
A Danish paper, a while back, had commissioned a set of cartoons depicting the fear that many writers and artists in Europe feel when dealing with the subject of Islam. To Western eyes, the cartoons were not in any way remarkable. In fact, they were rather tame. One showed Muhammad with his turban depicted as a bomb--not exactly a fresh image to describe Islamic terrorism. Another used a simple graphic device: it showed Muhammad surrounded by two women in full Muslim garb, their eyes peering out from an oblong space in their black chadors. And on Muhammad's face there was an oblong too, blacking out his eyes. The point was that Islam has a blind spot when it comes to women's freedom. Crude but powerful: exactly what a political cartoon is supposed to be[source - Time Magazine.
Now we all know what a how rational individuals respond even to the most provocative cartoons. I have friends of mine who are Jewish and the Arab press daily subjects them to depraved provocative cartoons and they react in a rational way. Why? Because the worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham and NOT some false puppet god(s) of Satan the Devil, such as the celestial old middle eastern Moon god, 'Allah.' But worshippers of false god(s) do not react rationally to provocative cartoons and/or their own failure. Let's first look at ancient history, and then current events with respect to the very irrational behavior of worshippers of false, mythical, god(s).
ANCIENT EXAMPLE OF IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR OF WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S):
Let's consider 1 Kings 18:21-29, " And Elijah drew near unto all the people, and said--How long are ye limping on the two divided opinions? If, Yahweh, be GOD, follow, him, but, if, Baal, follow, him. But the people answered him, not a word.
22 Then said Elijah unto the people--I, am left, Yahweh's, only, prophet,--but, the prophets of Baal, are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let there be given us, therefore, two bullocks, and let them choose for themselves one bullock, and cut it in pieces, and lay it upon the wood, but, fire, shall they not put,--then, I, will make ready the other bullock, and place upon the wood, but, fire, will I not put.
24 Then shall ye call on the name of your god, and, I, will call on the name of Yahweh, and it shall be, the God that respondeth by fire, he, is GOD. And all the people responded--Well spoken!
25 Then said Elijah to the prophets of Baal--Choose for yourselves one bullock, and make ye ready, first, for, ye, are many,--and call ye on the name of your god, but, fire, shall ye not put.
26 So they took the bullock which was given them, and made ready, and called on the name of Baal--from the morning even until the noon, saying--O Baal! answer us. But them was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped about by the altar which had been made.
27 And it came to pass, at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said--Cry with a loud voice, for, a god, he is, either he hath, a meditation, or an occasion to retire, or he hath, a journey,--peradventure, he, sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried, with a loud voice, and cut themselves, after their custom, with swords, and with lances,--until the blood gushed out upon them.
29 And so it was, when noon was passed, that although they prophesied until the offering up of the evening gift, yet was there no voice nor any that answered, nor any that hearkened." (Rotherham Bible; RB).
Clearly shows how very irrational worshipers of false god(s) acted in ancient times around 1040 to 1580 BCE. Now let's look at modern times, the first part of February 2006.
MODERN EXAMPLE OF IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR OF WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S) AND CONCLUSION:
Let's ratchet the clock forward to our day and a statement by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said violence triggered by the publication of cartoons of the prophet Muhammad isn't justified and called on Muslims to refrain from more attacks on Nordic diplomatic missions after protests in Lebanon, Syria and other Islamic nations.
Crowds yesterday set fire to the Danish consulate in Lebanon's capital, Beirut, a day after the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Syria's capital, Damascus, were attacked. Protests have taken place in recent days in countries including Indonesia, home to the world's largest Muslim population.
``Such resentment cannot justify violence, least of all when directed at people who have no responsibility for, or control over, the publications in question,'' [source - UN Web Site by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan]
And,
Muslim Anti-Cartoon Clashes Turn Deadly
KABUL, Afghanistan - Afghan security forces opened fire on demonstrators Monday, leaving at least four dead, as increasingly violent protests erupted around the world over published caricatures of Islam's Prophet Muhammad. European and Muslim politicians pleaded for calm. The worst of the violence was outside Bagram, the main U.S. base in Afghanistan, with Afghan police firing on some 2,000 protesters as they tried to break into the heavily guarded facility, said Kabir Ahmed, the local government chief. [source - AP - on 02/06/2006]
Now it is readily apparent that worshippers of false god(s) have not changed, but remain very irrational with regard to trivia's. As seen above, even the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has acknowledged this fact. Rational individuals do NOT COMMIT serious criminal acts over a cartoon and/or kill people. Look at the Jews, the Arab papers regularly post very provocative anti-Sematic cartoons, but when did you seen any of them react very irrational to a mer cartoon? Never. Sure says a lot about the worshippers of false god(s) does it not?
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 223A]
And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s, 30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. Mark 10:29 – 30, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
We must unconditionally love our Creator above all else as revealed by Matthew 10:37, [AV] “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” And everyone who does this is promised in Matthew 19:29, [AV] “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” Yes, in God’s kingdom everyone doing this shall per Luke 18:30, [AV] “Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.” However, in this system, His genuine followers will be as shown by Matthew 5:11, [AV] “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
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[2] FALSE GOD WORSHIPPERS IRRATIONAL
INTRODUCTION:
As Time Magazine writer Andrew Sullivan put it,
A Danish paper, a while back, had commissioned a set of cartoons depicting the fear that many writers and artists in Europe feel when dealing with the subject of Islam. To Western eyes, the cartoons were not in any way remarkable. In fact, they were rather tame. One showed Muhammad with his turban depicted as a bomb--not exactly a fresh image to describe Islamic terrorism. Another used a simple graphic device: it showed Muhammad surrounded by two women in full Muslim garb, their eyes peering out from an oblong space in their black chadors. And on Muhammad's face there was an oblong too, blacking out his eyes. The point was that Islam has a blind spot when it comes to women's freedom. Crude but powerful: exactly what a political cartoon is supposed to be[source - Time Magazine.
Now we all know what a how rational individuals respond even to the most provocative cartoons. I have friends of mine who are Jewish and the Arab press daily subjects them to depraved provocative cartoons and they react in a rational way. Why? Because the worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham and NOT some false puppet god(s) of Satan the Devil, such as the celestial old middle eastern Moon god, 'Allah.' But worshippers of false god(s) do not react rationally to provocative cartoons and/or their own failure. Let's first look at ancient history, and then current events with respect to the very irrational behavior of worshippers of false, mythical, god(s).
ANCIENT EXAMPLE OF IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR OF WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S):
Let's consider 1 Kings 18:21-29, " And Elijah drew near unto all the people, and said--How long are ye limping on the two divided opinions? If, Yahweh, be GOD, follow, him, but, if, Baal, follow, him. But the people answered him, not a word.
22 Then said Elijah unto the people--I, am left, Yahweh's, only, prophet,--but, the prophets of Baal, are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let there be given us, therefore, two bullocks, and let them choose for themselves one bullock, and cut it in pieces, and lay it upon the wood, but, fire, shall they not put,--then, I, will make ready the other bullock, and place upon the wood, but, fire, will I not put.
24 Then shall ye call on the name of your god, and, I, will call on the name of Yahweh, and it shall be, the God that respondeth by fire, he, is GOD. And all the people responded--Well spoken!
25 Then said Elijah to the prophets of Baal--Choose for yourselves one bullock, and make ye ready, first, for, ye, are many,--and call ye on the name of your god, but, fire, shall ye not put.
26 So they took the bullock which was given them, and made ready, and called on the name of Baal--from the morning even until the noon, saying--O Baal! answer us. But them was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped about by the altar which had been made.
27 And it came to pass, at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said--Cry with a loud voice, for, a god, he is, either he hath, a meditation, or an occasion to retire, or he hath, a journey,--peradventure, he, sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried, with a loud voice, and cut themselves, after their custom, with swords, and with lances,--until the blood gushed out upon them.
29 And so it was, when noon was passed, that although they prophesied until the offering up of the evening gift, yet was there no voice nor any that answered, nor any that hearkened." (Rotherham Bible; RB).
Clearly shows how very irrational worshipers of false god(s) acted in ancient times around 1040 to 1580 BCE. Now let's look at modern times, the first part of February 2006.
MODERN EXAMPLE OF IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR OF WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S) AND CONCLUSION:
Let's ratchet the clock forward to our day and a statement by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said violence triggered by the publication of cartoons of the prophet Muhammad isn't justified and called on Muslims to refrain from more attacks on Nordic diplomatic missions after protests in Lebanon, Syria and other Islamic nations.
Crowds yesterday set fire to the Danish consulate in Lebanon's capital, Beirut, a day after the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Syria's capital, Damascus, were attacked. Protests have taken place in recent days in countries including Indonesia, home to the world's largest Muslim population.
``Such resentment cannot justify violence, least of all when directed at people who have no responsibility for, or control over, the publications in question,'' [source - UN Web Site by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan]
And,
Muslim Anti-Cartoon Clashes Turn Deadly
KABUL, Afghanistan - Afghan security forces opened fire on demonstrators Monday, leaving at least four dead, as increasingly violent protests erupted around the world over published caricatures of Islam's Prophet Muhammad. European and Muslim politicians pleaded for calm. The worst of the violence was outside Bagram, the main U.S. base in Afghanistan, with Afghan police firing on some 2,000 protesters as they tried to break into the heavily guarded facility, said Kabir Ahmed, the local government chief. [source - AP - on 02/06/2006]
Now it is readily apparent that worshippers of false god(s) have not changed, but remain very irrational with regard to trivia's. As seen above, even the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has acknowledged this fact. Rational individuals do NOT COMMIT serious criminal acts over a cartoon and/or kill people. Look at the Jews, the Arab papers regularly post very provocative anti-Sematic cartoons, but when did you seen any of them react very irrational to a mer cartoon? Never. Sure says a lot about the worshippers of false god(s) does it not?
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 224A]
For Jehovah is a great God, And a great King above all gods. 4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth; The heights of the mountains are his also. 5 The sea is his, and he made it; And his hands formed the dry land. 6 Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before Jehovah our Maker: Psalms 95.3 – 6, [American Standard Version: AVS]
Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) is the great God above all the false ones which are nothing imaginary ones put in the minds of man by none other than Satan the Devil, and this is testified to at Psalms 96:4 – 6, [authorized King James Bible; AV] “For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. 5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. 6 Honour and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.” And as Psalms 97:9, affirms, [AV] “For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.” We should love the Creator as shown by Isaiah 44:8, [AV] “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Of course there are many false gods such as Thor, Allah, etc., but as Isaiah 44:9 – 15, [AV] “They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed. 10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? 11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together. 12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint. 13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. 14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it. 15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.” Yea, it is high time for all those now worshiping false puppet gods which have the Devil behind them to switch over to worshipping the Creator, and becoming genuine followers of his son, Jesus (Yeshua).
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[2] Two Wrongs Do Not A Do Not Make A Right
INTRODUCTION:
The present furor over cartoons published in Jyllands-Posten newspaper raise some very serious issues.
First, Why did the Jews remain rational and calm all these years with respect the very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons against them published in Muslim newspapers?
Second, Why did Muslims who have been publishing very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons against others arc so insane and irrational when Jyllands-Posten newspaper published 12 very tame cartoons against them? Seems like they feel it is alright to vehemently attack others with very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons, but it's a real NO-NO for others to do likewise to them and this with even very tame cartoons.
Third, One Muslim nation is even planning an anti-Jewish cartoon campaign, probably with very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons. Yet the reality is that the Jews had nothing to do with the cartoons published in Jyllands-Posten newspaper. So what is the rational for this? It is completely irrational behavior to do such a thing, attack a third party over tame cartoons they did not like. Hum this is getting absurd.
Fourth, The strange fact that, <<" the Egyptian Newspaper El Fagr published 6 of the Muhammad cartoons during Ramadan with no apparent adverse reaction.">> [source - http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3548386/ ]
Why this provoked no reaction is difficult to contemplate.
PROVOCATIVE CARTOON THROWING BY MUSLIM NEWSPAPERS:
For many years, Muslim newspapers have been publishing very nasty and vulgar provocative vile cartoons against the Jews, the sovereign nation of Israel, and many others, but since this was Muslims doing the wrong against none Muslims, they considered this okay. In other words, Muslims newspapers like to taunt others with vile cartoons, but consider it the gravest of offense for anyone to dare to do likewise to them even in a very tame way. This is of course definitely NOT fair play nor freedom of the press. Fair play means you treat others as you want to be treated and in a civil and considerate way.
Now if they, Muslim publications, did not treat others according to the rule of fair play, what right do they have to expect others NOT to treat them in kind? Regularly anti-Christian vile cartoons have been appearing in the same Muslim publications. Now when did anyone see either Christians, either genuine (true) Christians or apostate (counterfeit) Christians, and/or Jews committing criminal acts against the property of Muslims over this? When did any of these three groups ever riot over the vile cartoons of Muslim publications? NEVER.
Why did they not turn to violence and crime with regard to the vile cartoons of Muslim newspapers? Simple, while they many not have liked the cartoons, they saw NO reason to act completely insane and irrational over them. Why? Maybe, and this applies even to the apostates, they remained rational individuals not given to insane and criminal acts.
The Muslim World League (MWL) called on UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to activate international laws against insolence toward religion, but said nothing about the extreme insolence toward religion of others shown by their own Muslim newspapers for many years. Now is this NOT a double standard?
<<" It has also been pointed out that cartoons in the Arab and Islamic press "demonising" Jews and Israelis are common.">>[source - Q&A: The Muhammad cartoons row," BBC News, 3 February 2006. ]. And, <<" The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."
Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."
A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth.">> [source - The Online Edition Independent, Sunday 05/2006].
IRRATIONAL REACTIONS TO A RATHER TAME SET OF 12 CARTOONS BY A DANISH NEWSPAPER:
Now we have seen that Muslim papers have posted for many years very vile, nasty provocative cartoons against others, but now Muslims when some none Muslim newspaper publishes some rather tame cartoons that offend them do not react rationally as did their victims for many years. They react in an insane irrational manner completely without common sense and/or reason. Let's look briefly at this unconscionable irrational reaction.
<<" Violence, fatwas and online anti-Jew images: a world of protests
The ferocious Muslim protests at the publication of the cartoons in the European press escalated into a global phenomenon at the weekend. The violence appeared likely to intensify despite calls for restraint from some leading clerics. Denmark, where cartoons of the prophet Mohammed first appeared in September, was the main target of arson, threats and calls for an economic boycott.
Syria, On Saturday protesters in the capital, Damascus, set fire to the Danish and Norwegian embassies. The Swedish embassy, in the same building as the Danish mission, was damaged. Protesters also tried to storm the French embassy but were held off by riot police. No diplomats were injured. The Danish and Norwegian foreign ministries advised citizens to leave Syria as soon as possible. Last night the Syrian foreign ministry said it "expresses its regret regarding the violent acts which accompanied the protests and caused material damage at some embassies".">> [source - Owen Bowcott, Monday February 6, 2006, The Guardian (UK)]
Now, not was the reaction to some rather tame provocative cartoons insane and very irrational, but most of the anger was directed at individuals and institutions and groups that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the publication of the cartoons; to wit, the Danish government for permitting freedom of the press, other governments for reasons that does not even make sense, and at the Jews who in no way were connected to the cartoons. In fact, as previously mentioned, the Jews have been the victim of some very vile and nasty cartoons by the very same groups that go insane when some one gives them back some of what they have been doing to others for years, and that in a very tame version. I guess the motto is throw vile cartoons at others, but let not they even throw the tamest of cartoons at us.
CONCLUSION:
Muslims who for years have been throwing the most vile and nasty cartoons at others and feeling that is their right with regard to freedom of their press do NOT WANT TO permit the same freedom of the press of others even when it involves some very tame cartoons. Why? Because it appears many Muslims have no respect for the rights of others, and do not know how to act rationally, and this incident clearly proves this.
All should realize the right to satire if it is funny and not vile. One Finish newspaper made this point with respect this right, <<""Right for Satire," said a front-page headline in Het Nieuwsblad. An editorial in the newspaper called the outcry over the cartoons an attack on freedom of expression.">>
[source - Arab News - The Middle East's Leading English Language Daily]
When nations even apologize for the insane irrational behavior of some of their citizens, it shows things are out of hand, <<" Syria voices regret over embassy attacks... "The foreign ministry expresses its regret over the acts of violence which accompanied the protests yesterday, which caused damage to embassies of Chile and other countries in Damascus," the ministry said in a statement.">>
[source - AFP via Yahoo! News on 02/05/2006]
Appendix:
Some anti-Jew Muslim cartoons:
http://www.christadelphians.com/israel/arabtoon6.gif
http://www.christadelphians.com/israel/arabtoon5.gif
http://www.christadelphians.com/israel/arabtoon4.gif
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/AELcartoon1.jpg
http://www.judeoscope.ca/IMG/jpg/ael-110x94.jpg
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 224A]
For Jehovah is a great God, And a great King above all gods. 4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth; The heights of the mountains are his also. 5 The sea is his, and he made it; And his hands formed the dry land. 6 Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before Jehovah our Maker: Psalms 95.3 – 6, [American Standard Version: AVS]
Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) is the great God above all the false ones which are nothing imaginary ones put in the minds of man by none other than Satan the Devil, and this is testified to at Psalms 96:4 – 6, [authorized King James Bible; AV] “For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. 5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. 6 Honour and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.” And as Psalms 97:9, affirms, [AV] “For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.” We should love the Creator as shown by Isaiah 44:8, [AV] “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Of course there are many false gods such as Thor, Allah, etc., but as Isaiah 44:9 – 15, [AV] “They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed. 10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? 11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together. 12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint. 13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. 14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it. 15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.” Yea, it is high time for all those now worshiping false puppet gods which have the Devil behind them to switch over to worshipping the Creator, and becoming genuine followers of his son, Jesus (Yeshua).
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[2] Two Wrongs Do Not A Do Not Make A Right
INTRODUCTION:
The present furor over cartoons published in Jyllands-Posten newspaper raise some very serious issues.
First, Why did the Jews remain rational and calm all these years with respect the very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons against them published in Muslim newspapers?
Second, Why did Muslims who have been publishing very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons against others arc so insane and irrational when Jyllands-Posten newspaper published 12 very tame cartoons against them? Seems like they feel it is alright to vehemently attack others with very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons, but it's a real NO-NO for others to do likewise to them and this with even very tame cartoons.
Third, One Muslim nation is even planning an anti-Jewish cartoon campaign, probably with very nasty and vulgar provocative cartoons. Yet the reality is that the Jews had nothing to do with the cartoons published in Jyllands-Posten newspaper. So what is the rational for this? It is completely irrational behavior to do such a thing, attack a third party over tame cartoons they did not like. Hum this is getting absurd.
Fourth, The strange fact that, <<" the Egyptian Newspaper El Fagr published 6 of the Muhammad cartoons during Ramadan with no apparent adverse reaction.">> [source - http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3548386/ ]
Why this provoked no reaction is difficult to contemplate.
PROVOCATIVE CARTOON THROWING BY MUSLIM NEWSPAPERS:
For many years, Muslim newspapers have been publishing very nasty and vulgar provocative vile cartoons against the Jews, the sovereign nation of Israel, and many others, but since this was Muslims doing the wrong against none Muslims, they considered this okay. In other words, Muslims newspapers like to taunt others with vile cartoons, but consider it the gravest of offense for anyone to dare to do likewise to them even in a very tame way. This is of course definitely NOT fair play nor freedom of the press. Fair play means you treat others as you want to be treated and in a civil and considerate way.
Now if they, Muslim publications, did not treat others according to the rule of fair play, what right do they have to expect others NOT to treat them in kind? Regularly anti-Christian vile cartoons have been appearing in the same Muslim publications. Now when did anyone see either Christians, either genuine (true) Christians or apostate (counterfeit) Christians, and/or Jews committing criminal acts against the property of Muslims over this? When did any of these three groups ever riot over the vile cartoons of Muslim publications? NEVER.
Why did they not turn to violence and crime with regard to the vile cartoons of Muslim newspapers? Simple, while they many not have liked the cartoons, they saw NO reason to act completely insane and irrational over them. Why? Maybe, and this applies even to the apostates, they remained rational individuals not given to insane and criminal acts.
The Muslim World League (MWL) called on UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to activate international laws against insolence toward religion, but said nothing about the extreme insolence toward religion of others shown by their own Muslim newspapers for many years. Now is this NOT a double standard?
<<" It has also been pointed out that cartoons in the Arab and Islamic press "demonising" Jews and Israelis are common.">>[source - Q&A: The Muhammad cartoons row," BBC News, 3 February 2006. ]. And, <<" The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."
Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."
A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth.">> [source - The Online Edition Independent, Sunday 05/2006].
IRRATIONAL REACTIONS TO A RATHER TAME SET OF 12 CARTOONS BY A DANISH NEWSPAPER:
Now we have seen that Muslim papers have posted for many years very vile, nasty provocative cartoons against others, but now Muslims when some none Muslim newspaper publishes some rather tame cartoons that offend them do not react rationally as did their victims for many years. They react in an insane irrational manner completely without common sense and/or reason. Let's look briefly at this unconscionable irrational reaction.
<<" Violence, fatwas and online anti-Jew images: a world of protests
The ferocious Muslim protests at the publication of the cartoons in the European press escalated into a global phenomenon at the weekend. The violence appeared likely to intensify despite calls for restraint from some leading clerics. Denmark, where cartoons of the prophet Mohammed first appeared in September, was the main target of arson, threats and calls for an economic boycott.
Syria, On Saturday protesters in the capital, Damascus, set fire to the Danish and Norwegian embassies. The Swedish embassy, in the same building as the Danish mission, was damaged. Protesters also tried to storm the French embassy but were held off by riot police. No diplomats were injured. The Danish and Norwegian foreign ministries advised citizens to leave Syria as soon as possible. Last night the Syrian foreign ministry said it "expresses its regret regarding the violent acts which accompanied the protests and caused material damage at some embassies".">> [source - Owen Bowcott, Monday February 6, 2006, The Guardian (UK)]
Now, not was the reaction to some rather tame provocative cartoons insane and very irrational, but most of the anger was directed at individuals and institutions and groups that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the publication of the cartoons; to wit, the Danish government for permitting freedom of the press, other governments for reasons that does not even make sense, and at the Jews who in no way were connected to the cartoons. In fact, as previously mentioned, the Jews have been the victim of some very vile and nasty cartoons by the very same groups that go insane when some one gives them back some of what they have been doing to others for years, and that in a very tame version. I guess the motto is throw vile cartoons at others, but let not they even throw the tamest of cartoons at us.
CONCLUSION:
Muslims who for years have been throwing the most vile and nasty cartoons at others and feeling that is their right with regard to freedom of their press do NOT WANT TO permit the same freedom of the press of others even when it involves some very tame cartoons. Why? Because it appears many Muslims have no respect for the rights of others, and do not know how to act rationally, and this incident clearly proves this.
All should realize the right to satire if it is funny and not vile. One Finish newspaper made this point with respect this right, <<""Right for Satire," said a front-page headline in Het Nieuwsblad. An editorial in the newspaper called the outcry over the cartoons an attack on freedom of expression.">>
[source - Arab News - The Middle East's Leading English Language Daily]
When nations even apologize for the insane irrational behavior of some of their citizens, it shows things are out of hand, <<" Syria voices regret over embassy attacks... "The foreign ministry expresses its regret over the acts of violence which accompanied the protests yesterday, which caused damage to embassies of Chile and other countries in Damascus," the ministry said in a statement.">>
[source - AFP via Yahoo! News on 02/05/2006]
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 225A]
For Jehovah is a great God, And a great King above all gods. 4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth; The heights of the mountains are his also. 5 The sea is his, and he made it; And his hands formed the dry land. 6 Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before Jehovah our Maker: Psalms 95.3 – 6, [American Standard Version: AVS]
Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) is the great God above all the false ones which are nothing imaginary ones put in the minds of man by none other than Satan the Devil, and this is testified to at Psalms 96:4 – 6, [authorized King James Bible; AV] “For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. 5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. 6 Honour and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.” And as Psalms 97:9, affirms, [AV] “For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.” We should love the Creator as shown by Isaiah 44:8, [AV] “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Of course there are many false gods such as Thor, Allah, etc., but as Isaiah 44:9 – 15, [AV] “They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed. 10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? 11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together. 12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint. 13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. 14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it. 15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.” Yea, it is high time for all those now worshiping false puppet gods which have the Devil behind them to switch over to worshipping the Creator, and becoming genuine followers of his son, Jesus (Yeshua).
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[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Marmalade Box Tree Genipa Americana
Marmalade Box Tree is a small to medium-sized tropical tree. It is 20 to 50 feet and it has thick, smooth bark.
In most of Amazon Basin the trees flower in May to September and give fruit between September and April. It takes up to one year for the fruits to mature. In most trees, bees pollinate the flowers. Its fruit is a large, rounded berry, which is 4 to 6 inches long, 2 to 3 inches wide, weighing between 8 and 16 ounces. It has a thin and leathery covering and a thick layer of soft, yellow-brown pulp. The central cavity contains up to 300 seeds, enclosed in membranes.
The fruit is edible only when overripe and soft to the touch, when the flavor (acid to subacid) resembles that of dried apples or quinces. Genipap is widely distributed throughout the South American tropics and parts of the subtropical areas of Latin America. Areas were it grows naturally or where it has been introduced range from Mexico to Argentina and include the Caribbean as well. In most places Genipap is restricted to the lowlands. The tree may have originated in the Amazon where it grows naturally. It is found especially in the "várzeas", the part of the Amazon forest that lies next to rivers and is flooded annually for several months. Occurrence also extends into the open forest and the savannah transition zone. It is also common in secondary forests on sites abandoned by shifting agriculture.
In Guyana, the ripe fruit is used mainly as fish bait. The fallen, astringent fruits are much eaten by wild and domestic animals. The juice of the unripe fruit is colorless but oxidizes on exposure to the air and gradually turns light brown, then blue-black, and finally jet black. It has been commonly employed by South American Indians to paint their faces and bodies for adornment and to repel insects; and to dye clothing, hammocks, utensils and basket materials a bluish-purple. The dye is indelible on the skin for 15 to 20 days. This very common use is probably the reason why the tree is so dispersed in all tropical America. The fruit juice is recommended against rheumatism. Amerindians make a syrup from the juice of the mesocarp or cook the fruit and seeds and use the residual water against asthma and to reduce inflammations of the respiratory system. The fruit pulp is used as a dental anesthetic. The scraped green fruit is used against itching.
In Puerto Rico, the fruit is cut up and put in a pitcher of water with sugar added to make a summer drink like lemonade. Sometimes it is allowed to ferment slightly. A bottled concentrate is served with shaved ice by street vendors. In the Philippines the fruit is used to make cool drinks, as well as jelly, sherbet and ice cream. The flesh is sometimes added as a substitute for commercial pectin to aid the jelling of low-pectin fruit juices. Rural Brazilians prepare sweet preserves, syrup, a soft drink (called genipapada), wine, and a potent liqueur from the fruits.
The fruit is eaten as a remedy for jaundice in El Salvador. Ingested in quantity, it is said to act as a vermifuge. The fruit juice is given as a diuretic. It is a common practice in Puerto Rico to cut up the fruits, steep them in water until there is a little fermentation, then add flavoring and drink the infusion as a cold remedy. The crushed green fruit and the bark decoction are applied on venereal sores and pharyngitis. The root decoction is a strong purgative. The seeds are crushed and added to water and taken as an emetic in Brazil. When cut, the bark exudes a whitish, sweetish gum which is diluted and used as an eyewash and is claimed to alleviate corneal opacities. The juice expressed from the leaves is commonly given as a febrifuge in Central America. The flower decoction is taken as a tonic and febrifuge. (source - retrieved from http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm on 4/3/2013)
ating low as an edible fruit but popular as a source of beverages, the genipap, Genipa americana L. (syns. G. americana var. caruto Schum.; G. caruto HBK.), of the family Rubiaceae, has a number of colloquial names: marmalade box in former British West Indies; genipa, jagua or caruto in Puerto Rico and several other Spanish-speaking countries; genipapo or jenipapo in parts of Colombia and Brazil; chipara or chibara or guanapay among Colombian Indians; carcarutoto, caruto rebalsero, or guaricha in Venezuela; tapoeripa in Surinam; lana in Guyana; bi, bicito or totumillo in Bolivia; huitoc, vito, vitu or palo colorado in Peru; maluco in Mexico; crayo, irayol de montaña, or guali in Guatemala; guaitil or tapaculo in Costa Rica; irayol, tambor or tiñe-dientes in El Salvador; guayatil colorado or jagua blanca in Panama.
Fig. 117: The genipap (Genipa americana L.) photographed by P.H. Dorsett, plant explorer for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Plant Industry, in Bahia, Brazil, November 12, 1913.
Description
The tree is erect, to 60 or even 110 ft (18-33 m), with a tall, slender trunk and spreading branches. One form with a dense coating of soft hairs on the young branchlets and underside of the leaves has been separated by some botanists as a distinct species, G. caruto or G. americana var. caruto, though most botanists now view this as just a variation of G. americana. The leaves are abundant, deciduous, short-petioled, opposite but mostly clustered at the branch tips; oblong-obovate, 4 to 13 in (10-33 cm) long, 1 1/2 to 5 1/4 in (4-13 cm) wide; sometimes faintly toothed, and with prominent whitish midrib. The faintly fragrant pale-yellow or white, tubular, 5-petalled flowers, to 1 1/2 in (4 cm) wide, are borne in short, branched, terminal clusters.
The fruit, 3 1/2 to 6 in (9-15 cm) long, 2 3/4 to 3 1/2 in (7-9 cm) wide, weighing 7 to 14 oz (200-400 g), is elliptic or rounded-oval tapering briefly at the stem end, and having a short hollow tube at the apex. It has a thin leathery, yellow-brown, scurfy skin adherent to a 1/4 to 1/2 in (6-12.5 mm) layer of muskily odorous, rubbery, whitish flesh (turning yellowish on exposure). The central cavity is filled with flat, circular, yellowish or brown seeds 3/8 to 1/2 in (1-1.25 cm) long, enclosed in grayish-yellow, mucilaginous membranes arranged in rows around a central fleshy core. The fruit, like the European medlar (Mespilus germanica L.) is edible only when overripe and soft to the touch, when the flavor, acid to subacid, resembles that of dried apples or quinces.
Origin and Distribution
The genipap is native to wet or moist areas of Cuba, Hispaniola, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and from Guadeloupe to Trinidad; also from southern Mexico to Panama, and from Colombia and Venezuela to Peru, Bolivia and Argentina. Its usefulness to the Indians was reported by several European writers in Brazil in the 16th Century. It is widely cultivated in dooryards as an ornamental tree and for its fruits, but Patiño stated in 1967 that it was no longer as commonly grown in the Cauca Valley of Colombia as it had been in the past. In Trinidad, the tree is occasionally planted as a living fencepost for pasture fences. In 1965, a program was launched to utilize the genipap for reforestation in northeastern Brazil and plantations were established with a view to the exploitation of the fruit for liquor manufacture and the timber and other products for local use and possible export.
The tree first fruited in the Philippines in 1913 and is occasionally planted there. Otherwise, it is virtually unknown in the Old World. Burkill wrote that it had been tried in the southern part of the Malay Peninsula several times but without success.
P.J. Wester sent seeds from the Philippines to the United States Department of Agriculture in 1917 (S.P.I. #44090). A tree at the Plant Introduction Station, Miami, was 20 ft (6 m) tall in 1951 but had never bloomed. It is still alive and well today. There was a large tree at the Agricultural Research and Education Center, Homestead. It did not bear fruit and was killed by a freeze. A tree at the Fairchild Tropical Garden, Coral Gables, bloomed for the first time in the spring of 1980 but did not produce fruit. A few small seedlings were distributed by the Rare Fruit Council in 1980.
Plate LXVII: GENIPAP, Genipa americana
Varieties
It is reported in Brazil that there are varieties that bear all year. There is a shrubby form, jenipaporana, or jenipapo-bravo, no more than 10 to 13 ft (3-4 m) high, that grows in swamps along the edges of rivers and lakes in Brazil. The fruit is small and inedible.
Climate and Soil
The tree is strictly tropical; is limited to elevations below 3,300 ft (100 m) in Peru and has been killed by low temperatures in Florida. The genipap flourishes best in a humid atmosphere and deep, rich, loamy, moist soil.
Propagation
The genipap is mostly grown from seed but P.J. Wester determined that it can be propagated by shield-budding, using mature, non-petioled scions.
Culture
Seeds germinate in 25 to 30 days. The seedlings reach 4 3/4 in (12 cm) in 3 to 4 months and are transplanted when 6 to 12 months old at a height of 8 in (20 cm). The tree requires little cultural attention and thrives even in and situations. For fruit production, the trees are spaced 33 to 50 ft (10-15 m) apart. Temporary crops such as cassava or cotton are interplanted to provide shade for the young trees and income for the farmer. For purposes of reforestation, the spacing may be 5 x 10 ft (1.5 x 3 m) or up to 10 x 10 ft (3 x 3 m). The heavy leaf fall of the genipap is important in improving the soil of the plantation.
Season
Flowers and fruits appear continuously from spring to fall in Puerto Rico. In Brazil, the tree flowers in November and the fruits appear in the markets in February and March.
Food Uses
In Puerto Rico, the fruit is cut up and put in a pitcher of water with sugar added to make a summer drink like lemonade. Sometimes it is allowed to ferment slightly. A bottled concentrate is served with shaved ice by street vendors. In the Philippines, also, the fruit is used to make cool drinks, as well as jelly, sherbet and ice cream. The flesh is sometimes added as a substitute for commercial pectin to aid the jelling of low-pectin fruit juices. Rural Brazilians prepare sweet preserves, sirup, a soft drink, genipapada, wine, and a potent liqueur from the fruits.
Food Value
Analyses made in the Philippines many years ago show the following values for the edible portion (70%) of the fruit: protein, 0.51%; carbohydrates, 11.21%; sugar, 4.30%; ash, 0.20%; malic acid, 0.63%.
Recent analyses made at the Fundacion Instituto Brasileiro de Geografia e Estatistica show:
Food Value per 100 g of Edible Portion
Calories
113
Moisture
67.6 g
Protein
5.2 g
Lipids
0.3 g
Glycerides
25.7 g
Fiber
9.4 g
Ash
1.2 g
Calcium
40.0 mg
Phosphorus
58.0 mg
Iron
3.6 mg
Vitamin B,
0.04 mg
Vitamin B2
0.04 mg
Niacin
0.50 mg
Ascorbic Acid
33.0 mg
Amino Acids
(per g of nitrogen [N 6.25])
Lysine
316 mg
Methionine
178 mg
Threonine
219 mg
Tryptophan
57 mg
The fruit contains too much-tannin to be a desirable article of diet.
Other Uses
Fruit: In Guyana, the ripe fruit is used mainly as fish bait. The fallen, astringent fruits are much eaten by wild and domestic animals. The juice of the unripe fruit is colorless but oxidizes on exposure to the air and gradually turns light brown, then blue-black, and finally jet black. It has been commonly employed by South American Indians to paint their faces and bodies for adornment and to repel insects; and to dye clothing, hammocks, utensils and basket materials a bluish-purple. The dye is indelible on the skin for 15 to 20 days. Oviedo wrote that the Indian men sometimes playfully sprinkled the women with the fresh juice mixed with perfume so that mysterious spots would appear on their bodies and alarm them. Cardenas tells of seeing the robe of a Franciscan monk which was dyed a very dark purple with this juice.
Leaves: The foliage is readily eaten by cattle.
Bark: The bark, rich in tannin, has been used for treating leather. It also yields a fiber employed in making rough clothing.
Wood: When 5 or 6 years old, saplings can be harvested for firewood, poles or fenceposts. Ten-year-old trees can be cut for timber. The wood is yellowish-white or sometimes slightly pinkish or lavender, with light, reddish-brown streaks. It is fibrous, compact, hard, elastic, strong but not durable, being subject to attack by termites, borers and fungi. It has been used for spears, rifle stocks, shoe lasts, frames for sieves, barrel hoops, ammunition chests and other boxes, packing cases, plows, tool handles, boards for flooring, door frames and cabinetwork.
Flowers: The flowers yield nectar for honeybees.
Medicinal Uses: The fruit is eaten as a remedy for jaundice in El Salvador. Ingested in quantity, it is said to act as a vermifuge. The fruit juice is given as a diuretic. It is a common practice in Puerto Rico to cut up the fruits, steep them in water until there is a little fermentation, then add flavoring and drink the infusion as a cold remedy.
Because the fruit and its infusion have unusually good keeping quality, Puerto Rican scientists investigated the possible presence of antibiotic principles and proved the existence of antibiotic activity in all parts of the fruit. In 1964, Dr. W.H. Tallent of G.D. Searle & Company in Chicago, isolated and identified 2 new antibiotic cyclopentoid monoterpenes, primarily genipic acid and secondarily genipinic acid, its carbomethoxyl derivative.
The crushed green fruit and the bark decoction are applied on venereal sores and pharyngitis. The root decoction is a strong purgative.
The bark exudes when cut a whitish, sweetish gum which is diluted and used as an eyewash and is claimed to alleviate corneal opacities. The juice expressed from the leaves is commonly given as a febrifuge in Central America. The pulverized seeds are emetic and caustic. The flower decoction is taken as a tonic and febrifuge.
Superstitious Uses: Guatemalan Indians carry the fruits in their hands in the belief that this will provide protection from disease and ill-fortune. (source - retrieved from http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/genipap.html on 4/3/2013)
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 225A]
For Jehovah is a great God, And a great King above all gods. 4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth; The heights of the mountains are his also. 5 The sea is his, and he made it; And his hands formed the dry land. 6 Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before Jehovah our Maker: Psalms 95.3 – 6, [American Standard Version: AVS]
Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) is the great God above all the false ones which are nothing imaginary ones put in the minds of man by none other than Satan the Devil, and this is testified to at Psalms 96:4 – 6, [authorized King James Bible; AV] “For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. 5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. 6 Honour and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.” And as Psalms 97:9, affirms, [AV] “For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.” We should love the Creator as shown by Isaiah 44:8, [AV] “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Of course there are many false gods such as Thor, Allah, etc., but as Isaiah 44:9 – 15, [AV] “They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed. 10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? 11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together. 12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint. 13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. 14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it. 15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.” Yea, it is high time for all those now worshiping false puppet gods which have the Devil behind them to switch over to worshipping the Creator, and becoming genuine followers of his son, Jesus (Yeshua).
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[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Marmalade Box Tree Genipa Americana
Marmalade Box Tree is a small to medium-sized tropical tree. It is 20 to 50 feet and it has thick, smooth bark.
In most of Amazon Basin the trees flower in May to September and give fruit between September and April. It takes up to one year for the fruits to mature. In most trees, bees pollinate the flowers. Its fruit is a large, rounded berry, which is 4 to 6 inches long, 2 to 3 inches wide, weighing between 8 and 16 ounces. It has a thin and leathery covering and a thick layer of soft, yellow-brown pulp. The central cavity contains up to 300 seeds, enclosed in membranes.
The fruit is edible only when overripe and soft to the touch, when the flavor (acid to subacid) resembles that of dried apples or quinces. Genipap is widely distributed throughout the South American tropics and parts of the subtropical areas of Latin America. Areas were it grows naturally or where it has been introduced range from Mexico to Argentina and include the Caribbean as well. In most places Genipap is restricted to the lowlands. The tree may have originated in the Amazon where it grows naturally. It is found especially in the "várzeas", the part of the Amazon forest that lies next to rivers and is flooded annually for several months. Occurrence also extends into the open forest and the savannah transition zone. It is also common in secondary forests on sites abandoned by shifting agriculture.
In Guyana, the ripe fruit is used mainly as fish bait. The fallen, astringent fruits are much eaten by wild and domestic animals. The juice of the unripe fruit is colorless but oxidizes on exposure to the air and gradually turns light brown, then blue-black, and finally jet black. It has been commonly employed by South American Indians to paint their faces and bodies for adornment and to repel insects; and to dye clothing, hammocks, utensils and basket materials a bluish-purple. The dye is indelible on the skin for 15 to 20 days. This very common use is probably the reason why the tree is so dispersed in all tropical America. The fruit juice is recommended against rheumatism. Amerindians make a syrup from the juice of the mesocarp or cook the fruit and seeds and use the residual water against asthma and to reduce inflammations of the respiratory system. The fruit pulp is used as a dental anesthetic. The scraped green fruit is used against itching.
In Puerto Rico, the fruit is cut up and put in a pitcher of water with sugar added to make a summer drink like lemonade. Sometimes it is allowed to ferment slightly. A bottled concentrate is served with shaved ice by street vendors. In the Philippines the fruit is used to make cool drinks, as well as jelly, sherbet and ice cream. The flesh is sometimes added as a substitute for commercial pectin to aid the jelling of low-pectin fruit juices. Rural Brazilians prepare sweet preserves, syrup, a soft drink (called genipapada), wine, and a potent liqueur from the fruits.
The fruit is eaten as a remedy for jaundice in El Salvador. Ingested in quantity, it is said to act as a vermifuge. The fruit juice is given as a diuretic. It is a common practice in Puerto Rico to cut up the fruits, steep them in water until there is a little fermentation, then add flavoring and drink the infusion as a cold remedy. The crushed green fruit and the bark decoction are applied on venereal sores and pharyngitis. The root decoction is a strong purgative. The seeds are crushed and added to water and taken as an emetic in Brazil. When cut, the bark exudes a whitish, sweetish gum which is diluted and used as an eyewash and is claimed to alleviate corneal opacities. The juice expressed from the leaves is commonly given as a febrifuge in Central America. The flower decoction is taken as a tonic and febrifuge. (source - retrieved from http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm on 4/3/2013)
ating low as an edible fruit but popular as a source of beverages, the genipap, Genipa americana L. (syns. G. americana var. caruto Schum.; G. caruto HBK.), of the family Rubiaceae, has a number of colloquial names: marmalade box in former British West Indies; genipa, jagua or caruto in Puerto Rico and several other Spanish-speaking countries; genipapo or jenipapo in parts of Colombia and Brazil; chipara or chibara or guanapay among Colombian Indians; carcarutoto, caruto rebalsero, or guaricha in Venezuela; tapoeripa in Surinam; lana in Guyana; bi, bicito or totumillo in Bolivia; huitoc, vito, vitu or palo colorado in Peru; maluco in Mexico; crayo, irayol de montaña, or guali in Guatemala; guaitil or tapaculo in Costa Rica; irayol, tambor or tiñe-dientes in El Salvador; guayatil colorado or jagua blanca in Panama.
Fig. 117: The genipap (Genipa americana L.) photographed by P.H. Dorsett, plant explorer for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Plant Industry, in Bahia, Brazil, November 12, 1913.
Description
The tree is erect, to 60 or even 110 ft (18-33 m), with a tall, slender trunk and spreading branches. One form with a dense coating of soft hairs on the young branchlets and underside of the leaves has been separated by some botanists as a distinct species, G. caruto or G. americana var. caruto, though most botanists now view this as just a variation of G. americana. The leaves are abundant, deciduous, short-petioled, opposite but mostly clustered at the branch tips; oblong-obovate, 4 to 13 in (10-33 cm) long, 1 1/2 to 5 1/4 in (4-13 cm) wide; sometimes faintly toothed, and with prominent whitish midrib. The faintly fragrant pale-yellow or white, tubular, 5-petalled flowers, to 1 1/2 in (4 cm) wide, are borne in short, branched, terminal clusters.
The fruit, 3 1/2 to 6 in (9-15 cm) long, 2 3/4 to 3 1/2 in (7-9 cm) wide, weighing 7 to 14 oz (200-400 g), is elliptic or rounded-oval tapering briefly at the stem end, and having a short hollow tube at the apex. It has a thin leathery, yellow-brown, scurfy skin adherent to a 1/4 to 1/2 in (6-12.5 mm) layer of muskily odorous, rubbery, whitish flesh (turning yellowish on exposure). The central cavity is filled with flat, circular, yellowish or brown seeds 3/8 to 1/2 in (1-1.25 cm) long, enclosed in grayish-yellow, mucilaginous membranes arranged in rows around a central fleshy core. The fruit, like the European medlar (Mespilus germanica L.) is edible only when overripe and soft to the touch, when the flavor, acid to subacid, resembles that of dried apples or quinces.
Origin and Distribution
The genipap is native to wet or moist areas of Cuba, Hispaniola, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and from Guadeloupe to Trinidad; also from southern Mexico to Panama, and from Colombia and Venezuela to Peru, Bolivia and Argentina. Its usefulness to the Indians was reported by several European writers in Brazil in the 16th Century. It is widely cultivated in dooryards as an ornamental tree and for its fruits, but Patiño stated in 1967 that it was no longer as commonly grown in the Cauca Valley of Colombia as it had been in the past. In Trinidad, the tree is occasionally planted as a living fencepost for pasture fences. In 1965, a program was launched to utilize the genipap for reforestation in northeastern Brazil and plantations were established with a view to the exploitation of the fruit for liquor manufacture and the timber and other products for local use and possible export.
The tree first fruited in the Philippines in 1913 and is occasionally planted there. Otherwise, it is virtually unknown in the Old World. Burkill wrote that it had been tried in the southern part of the Malay Peninsula several times but without success.
P.J. Wester sent seeds from the Philippines to the United States Department of Agriculture in 1917 (S.P.I. #44090). A tree at the Plant Introduction Station, Miami, was 20 ft (6 m) tall in 1951 but had never bloomed. It is still alive and well today. There was a large tree at the Agricultural Research and Education Center, Homestead. It did not bear fruit and was killed by a freeze. A tree at the Fairchild Tropical Garden, Coral Gables, bloomed for the first time in the spring of 1980 but did not produce fruit. A few small seedlings were distributed by the Rare Fruit Council in 1980.
Plate LXVII: GENIPAP, Genipa americana
Varieties
It is reported in Brazil that there are varieties that bear all year. There is a shrubby form, jenipaporana, or jenipapo-bravo, no more than 10 to 13 ft (3-4 m) high, that grows in swamps along the edges of rivers and lakes in Brazil. The fruit is small and inedible.
Climate and Soil
The tree is strictly tropical; is limited to elevations below 3,300 ft (100 m) in Peru and has been killed by low temperatures in Florida. The genipap flourishes best in a humid atmosphere and deep, rich, loamy, moist soil.
Propagation
The genipap is mostly grown from seed but P.J. Wester determined that it can be propagated by shield-budding, using mature, non-petioled scions.
Culture
Seeds germinate in 25 to 30 days. The seedlings reach 4 3/4 in (12 cm) in 3 to 4 months and are transplanted when 6 to 12 months old at a height of 8 in (20 cm). The tree requires little cultural attention and thrives even in and situations. For fruit production, the trees are spaced 33 to 50 ft (10-15 m) apart. Temporary crops such as cassava or cotton are interplanted to provide shade for the young trees and income for the farmer. For purposes of reforestation, the spacing may be 5 x 10 ft (1.5 x 3 m) or up to 10 x 10 ft (3 x 3 m). The heavy leaf fall of the genipap is important in improving the soil of the plantation.
Season
Flowers and fruits appear continuously from spring to fall in Puerto Rico. In Brazil, the tree flowers in November and the fruits appear in the markets in February and March.
Food Uses
In Puerto Rico, the fruit is cut up and put in a pitcher of water with sugar added to make a summer drink like lemonade. Sometimes it is allowed to ferment slightly. A bottled concentrate is served with shaved ice by street vendors. In the Philippines, also, the fruit is used to make cool drinks, as well as jelly, sherbet and ice cream. The flesh is sometimes added as a substitute for commercial pectin to aid the jelling of low-pectin fruit juices. Rural Brazilians prepare sweet preserves, sirup, a soft drink, genipapada, wine, and a potent liqueur from the fruits.
Food Value
Analyses made in the Philippines many years ago show the following values for the edible portion (70%) of the fruit: protein, 0.51%; carbohydrates, 11.21%; sugar, 4.30%; ash, 0.20%; malic acid, 0.63%.
Recent analyses made at the Fundacion Instituto Brasileiro de Geografia e Estatistica show:
Food Value per 100 g of Edible Portion
Calories
113
Moisture
67.6 g
Protein
5.2 g
Lipids
0.3 g
Glycerides
25.7 g
Fiber
9.4 g
Ash
1.2 g
Calcium
40.0 mg
Phosphorus
58.0 mg
Iron
3.6 mg
Vitamin B,
0.04 mg
Vitamin B2
0.04 mg
Niacin
0.50 mg
Ascorbic Acid
33.0 mg
Amino Acids
(per g of nitrogen [N 6.25])
Lysine
316 mg
Methionine
178 mg
Threonine
219 mg
Tryptophan
57 mg
The fruit contains too much-tannin to be a desirable article of diet.
Other Uses
Fruit: In Guyana, the ripe fruit is used mainly as fish bait. The fallen, astringent fruits are much eaten by wild and domestic animals. The juice of the unripe fruit is colorless but oxidizes on exposure to the air and gradually turns light brown, then blue-black, and finally jet black. It has been commonly employed by South American Indians to paint their faces and bodies for adornment and to repel insects; and to dye clothing, hammocks, utensils and basket materials a bluish-purple. The dye is indelible on the skin for 15 to 20 days. Oviedo wrote that the Indian men sometimes playfully sprinkled the women with the fresh juice mixed with perfume so that mysterious spots would appear on their bodies and alarm them. Cardenas tells of seeing the robe of a Franciscan monk which was dyed a very dark purple with this juice.
Leaves: The foliage is readily eaten by cattle.
Bark: The bark, rich in tannin, has been used for treating leather. It also yields a fiber employed in making rough clothing.
Wood: When 5 or 6 years old, saplings can be harvested for firewood, poles or fenceposts. Ten-year-old trees can be cut for timber. The wood is yellowish-white or sometimes slightly pinkish or lavender, with light, reddish-brown streaks. It is fibrous, compact, hard, elastic, strong but not durable, being subject to attack by termites, borers and fungi. It has been used for spears, rifle stocks, shoe lasts, frames for sieves, barrel hoops, ammunition chests and other boxes, packing cases, plows, tool handles, boards for flooring, door frames and cabinetwork.
Flowers: The flowers yield nectar for honeybees.
Medicinal Uses: The fruit is eaten as a remedy for jaundice in El Salvador. Ingested in quantity, it is said to act as a vermifuge. The fruit juice is given as a diuretic. It is a common practice in Puerto Rico to cut up the fruits, steep them in water until there is a little fermentation, then add flavoring and drink the infusion as a cold remedy.
Because the fruit and its infusion have unusually good keeping quality, Puerto Rican scientists investigated the possible presence of antibiotic principles and proved the existence of antibiotic activity in all parts of the fruit. In 1964, Dr. W.H. Tallent of G.D. Searle & Company in Chicago, isolated and identified 2 new antibiotic cyclopentoid monoterpenes, primarily genipic acid and secondarily genipinic acid, its carbomethoxyl derivative.
The crushed green fruit and the bark decoction are applied on venereal sores and pharyngitis. The root decoction is a strong purgative.
The bark exudes when cut a whitish, sweetish gum which is diluted and used as an eyewash and is claimed to alleviate corneal opacities. The juice expressed from the leaves is commonly given as a febrifuge in Central America. The pulverized seeds are emetic and caustic. The flower decoction is taken as a tonic and febrifuge.
Superstitious Uses: Guatemalan Indians carry the fruits in their hands in the belief that this will provide protection from disease and ill-fortune. (source - retrieved from http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/genipap.html on 4/3/2013)
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 226A]
Declare his glory among the nations, His marvellous works among all the peoples. 4 For great is Jehovah, and greatly to be praised: He is to be feared above all gods. 5 For all the gods of the peoples are idols; But Jehovah made the heavens. 6 Honor and majesty are before him: Strength and beauty are in his sanctuary. Psalms 96:3 – 6, [American Standard Version: AVS]
Yes, His marvelous works will be spread to all people as foretold at Isaiah 66:19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]`”And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.” And, Almighty God (YHWH) is a deliverer as testified to at 2 Peter 2:9, [AV] “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:” He is the Creator of all there is and Psalms 72:17 – 18, [AV] “ His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed. 18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.” Yes, Titus 2:13, [AV] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; “ As Deuteronomy 10:17, says, [AV] “For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:” He, Psalms 95:3, [AV] “For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.”
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[2] A COMMENTARY ON INSANE IRRATIONALITY OVER SILLY CARTOONS AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT:
FIRST, Let's face it, any grown-up or group of grown-ups that would go insanely irrational over silly cartoons is only grown-up in size and age, but is mentally a very immature person or group of persons. Now why would any so called grown-up act so insane? Only because he/she is a worshipper of false god(s) such as the old middle eastern Moon god, 'Allah,' one of the Celestian puppet god(s) of Satan the Devil. Let's look at the facts in brief:
SECOND, Now here is my comment on a post out on the internet that I shall use to clarify the situation with respect who should be punished and why:
I have no objections to cartoons meant to be humorous for their INTENDED audience. For example, I am quite sure readers of newspapers in the middle east, Indonesia, Nigeria, etc. would not find the cartoons about Florida's governor Jeb Bush humorous and if I were a newspaper editor in those areas, I would definitely not publish them! Cartoon humor depends on the audience so stop being childish.
With respect the tame provocative cartoons about a prophet, the general audience in Denmark probably found them quite humorous; whereas, they would NOT find the ones about Christ humorous. What one culture finds humorous is NOT necessarily what another culture finds humorous. Now if one is posting on the Interned, a world wide medium, they should only post what almost all cultures will find humorous. Why? Every culture has its own type of humor, take the English, they love hyperbole; whereas, I can NOT stand it do to my Arab-Spanish upbringing. I find NO humor in it.
The Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, published strictly for a Danish audience, and not on a middle eastern or world wide media. Now if anyone should be punished and/or apologize it should be the individual who intentionally took the tame provocative cartoons to another area to stir up trouble. I feel he should be tried for high treason by the world community, the UN, as he did so with the intent of causing unrest/harm as he knew, or should have known, that some groups, due to being worshippers of false god(s) other than the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, react in a very insane irrational way. So let's get realistic.
As I previously said, worshippers of false god(s) have always reacted insanely and irrationally, take a look at what I previously posted.
THIRD, The following was found out on the Internet and shows how absurd some of the conspiracy theories are that worshippers of false god(s) put forth.
Second, If true, this gentlemen would be guilty of hate speech if he published the tame provocative cartoons with the intent of inciting wrong action, but I have seen zero evidence of this as he did NOT send them to any area out of Denmark, i.e., the Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, is ONLY published for a Danish audience and NOT a world wide audience.
Third, As I have said previously in this article, the individual that took them to the middle east for the purpose of inciting wrong acts, in my way of thinking, is like the evil individual that would yell "FIRE" in a crowded confined place and cause a stampede that resulted in the deaths of others. This individual who intentionally took the tame provocative cartoons to another area with the intent to stir up trouble should be tried and punished. I feel he should be tried for high treason by the world community, the UN, as he did so with the intent of causing unrest as he knew, or should have known.
Fourth, The entire affair is mass insanity and irrationality whipped up by a person who lacked love, and just wanted to stir up and cause much trouble.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 226A]
Declare his glory among the nations, His marvellous works among all the peoples. 4 For great is Jehovah, and greatly to be praised: He is to be feared above all gods. 5 For all the gods of the peoples are idols; But Jehovah made the heavens. 6 Honor and majesty are before him: Strength and beauty are in his sanctuary. Psalms 96:3 – 6, [American Standard Version: AVS]
Yes, His marvelous works will be spread to all people as foretold at Isaiah 66:19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]`”And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.” And, Almighty God (YHWH) is a deliverer as testified to at 2 Peter 2:9, [AV] “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:” He is the Creator of all there is and Psalms 72:17 – 18, [AV] “ His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed. 18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.” Yes, Titus 2:13, [AV] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; “ As Deuteronomy 10:17, says, [AV] “For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:” He, Psalms 95:3, [AV] “For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.”
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[2] A COMMENTARY ON INSANE IRRATIONALITY OVER SILLY CARTOONS AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT:
FIRST, Let's face it, any grown-up or group of grown-ups that would go insanely irrational over silly cartoons is only grown-up in size and age, but is mentally a very immature person or group of persons. Now why would any so called grown-up act so insane? Only because he/she is a worshipper of false god(s) such as the old middle eastern Moon god, 'Allah,' one of the Celestian puppet god(s) of Satan the Devil. Let's look at the facts in brief:
Worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham do not act that way over silly cartoons, so get a dose of reality!In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! [source - Islam: Muhammad, and His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958 p. 7].
The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.
Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called "the daughters of Allah." These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.
"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Al-lah" [source - Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61]
SECOND, Now here is my comment on a post out on the internet that I shall use to clarify the situation with respect who should be punished and why:
Jens Kaiser, the Sunday editor, but NOT for the reasons that any of you may agree or disagree with his actions. For example, the political and religious satire cartoons published in various south Florida newspapers for their humor and people living in south Florida do NOT get 'wrapped up' in them. When the readers of a particular publication no longer find them interesting and/or humorous then a paper would be well advised NOT to publish them.Gwladys Fouché
Monday February 6, 2006
Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.
The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.
In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.
Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them."
The illustrator said: "I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy."
"I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they were funny."
But the Jyllands-Posten editor in question, Mr Kaiser, said that the case was "ridiculous to bring forward now. It has nothing to do with the Muhammad cartoons.
"In the Muhammad drawings case, we asked the illustrators to do it. I did not ask for these cartoons. That's the difference," he said.
"The illustrator thought his cartoons were funny. I did not think so. It would offend some readers, not much but some."
The decision smacks of "double-standards", said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman for the Danish-based European Committee for Prophet Honouring, the umbrella group that represents 27 Muslim organisations that are campaigning for a full apology from Jyllands-Posten.
I have no objections to cartoons meant to be humorous for their INTENDED audience. For example, I am quite sure readers of newspapers in the middle east, Indonesia, Nigeria, etc. would not find the cartoons about Florida's governor Jeb Bush humorous and if I were a newspaper editor in those areas, I would definitely not publish them! Cartoon humor depends on the audience so stop being childish.
With respect the tame provocative cartoons about a prophet, the general audience in Denmark probably found them quite humorous; whereas, they would NOT find the ones about Christ humorous. What one culture finds humorous is NOT necessarily what another culture finds humorous. Now if one is posting on the Interned, a world wide medium, they should only post what almost all cultures will find humorous. Why? Every culture has its own type of humor, take the English, they love hyperbole; whereas, I can NOT stand it do to my Arab-Spanish upbringing. I find NO humor in it.
The Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, published strictly for a Danish audience, and not on a middle eastern or world wide media. Now if anyone should be punished and/or apologize it should be the individual who intentionally took the tame provocative cartoons to another area to stir up trouble. I feel he should be tried for high treason by the world community, the UN, as he did so with the intent of causing unrest/harm as he knew, or should have known, that some groups, due to being worshippers of false god(s) other than the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, react in a very insane irrational way. So let's get realistic.
As I previously said, worshippers of false god(s) have always reacted insanely and irrationally, take a look at what I previously posted.
The very irrational acts and reactions of false god(s) of ancient times as shown in 1 Kings 18:21-29, previously quoted, and the present day very irrational acts and reactions clearly prove the hypothesis that worshippers of false god(s) do NOT react rational. Even over thousands of years, worshippers of false god(s) remain the same; to wit, reacting very irrational to the slightest provocation.
Whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham do not react irrationally to the slightest provocation even though it is the exact same type of provocative thing, i.e., provocative cartoons. Clearly there is a major difference in the reactions of the two groups. The worshippers of false god(s) react violently and very irrationally; whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) react very rationally.
THIRD, The following was found out on the Internet and shows how absurd some of the conspiracy theories are that worshippers of false god(s) put forth.
First, this claim has NOT been substantiated.Flemming Rose, the cultural editor responsible for the offensive anti-Muslim cartoons, on a trip to Estonia. Rose is a supporter of the Zionist "clash of civilizations" promoted by the Neo-Con Daniel Pipes.
Second, If true, this gentlemen would be guilty of hate speech if he published the tame provocative cartoons with the intent of inciting wrong action, but I have seen zero evidence of this as he did NOT send them to any area out of Denmark, i.e., the Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, is ONLY published for a Danish audience and NOT a world wide audience.
Third, As I have said previously in this article, the individual that took them to the middle east for the purpose of inciting wrong acts, in my way of thinking, is like the evil individual that would yell "FIRE" in a crowded confined place and cause a stampede that resulted in the deaths of others. This individual who intentionally took the tame provocative cartoons to another area with the intent to stir up trouble should be tried and punished. I feel he should be tried for high treason by the world community, the UN, as he did so with the intent of causing unrest as he knew, or should have known.
Fourth, The entire affair is mass insanity and irrationality whipped up by a person who lacked love, and just wanted to stir up and cause much trouble.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] UNDERSTANDING THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF RESEARCH USED BY LEGITIMATE RELIGIOUS RESEARCHERS:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 227A]
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:11 – 13, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As Malachi states at, Malachi 4:1 – 2, [AV] “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.” Isaiah the prophet pleads for all to return to Almighty God (YHWH) at Isaiah 63:17, [AV] “O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants’ sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.” And, Isaiah 34:4 - 5, shows what will happen to those who do not return, [AV] “And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.”
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[2] UNDERSTANDING THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF RESEARCH USED BY LEGITIMATE RELIGIOUS RESEARCHERS:
First, A research report/product is a report based on the scientific method of research where one starts out with a hypothesis and seeks to either prove and/or disprove the hypothesis. Thus a research product is A research report is just that one based on research and not opinion with everything as far as is reasonable backed up/buttressed with evidence usually of quotations and/or paraphrases from reliable secular sources and/or from the ultimate authorative source, God's (YHWH's) word, the Bible. With any research report you start out with a hypothesis and seek to either prove and/or disprove it. This is SOP in research and academia.
Second, Most of my research reports are reviewed by knowledgeable experts for accuracy. The one in particular that you do not like and consider arrogant, which a research report/product is not, was in particular reviewed by my husband, a PhD Theologian who had top grade point averages-graduated with a 4.0 in Theology, and by Conference Bishop Ingram, and they found little fault with it except they thought I should have used more decisive language than I did and apparently, if I read you correctly, you feel I should have used less decisive language.
Third, The entire concept behind research products/reports is that one should accurately assemble as much as possible knowledge/findings on a subject, i.e., know your subject, and present it as such. This is in no way arrogance.
Fourth, I take issue with those who insult the Bible by wrongly claiming, as one poster did on this forum-but apparently later withdrew it after I challenged him on it, contradictions when they do not understand and/or comprehend the scriptures. I know there are a number of things that many individuals claim as contradictions that when properly understood are actually not. For more details on this, go to:
Countering Bible Contradictions
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm
and,
Bible Data and Bible Canon
http://www.network54.com/Forum/388559
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 227A]
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:11 – 13, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As Malachi states at, Malachi 4:1 – 2, [AV] “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.” Isaiah the prophet pleads for all to return to Almighty God (YHWH) at Isaiah 63:17, [AV] “O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants’ sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.” And, Isaiah 34:4 - 5, shows what will happen to those who do not return, [AV] “And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.”
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[2] UNDERSTANDING THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF RESEARCH USED BY LEGITIMATE RELIGIOUS RESEARCHERS:
First, A research report/product is a report based on the scientific method of research where one starts out with a hypothesis and seeks to either prove and/or disprove the hypothesis. Thus a research product is A research report is just that one based on research and not opinion with everything as far as is reasonable backed up/buttressed with evidence usually of quotations and/or paraphrases from reliable secular sources and/or from the ultimate authorative source, God's (YHWH's) word, the Bible. With any research report you start out with a hypothesis and seek to either prove and/or disprove it. This is SOP in research and academia.
Second, Most of my research reports are reviewed by knowledgeable experts for accuracy. The one in particular that you do not like and consider arrogant, which a research report/product is not, was in particular reviewed by my husband, a PhD Theologian who had top grade point averages-graduated with a 4.0 in Theology, and by Conference Bishop Ingram, and they found little fault with it except they thought I should have used more decisive language than I did and apparently, if I read you correctly, you feel I should have used less decisive language.
Third, The entire concept behind research products/reports is that one should accurately assemble as much as possible knowledge/findings on a subject, i.e., know your subject, and present it as such. This is in no way arrogance.
Fourth, I take issue with those who insult the Bible by wrongly claiming, as one poster did on this forum-but apparently later withdrew it after I challenged him on it, contradictions when they do not understand and/or comprehend the scriptures. I know there are a number of things that many individuals claim as contradictions that when properly understood are actually not. For more details on this, go to:
Countering Bible Contradictions
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm
and,
Bible Data and Bible Canon
http://www.network54.com/Forum/388559
LEARN MORE AT WWW.JW.ORG
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] COMMENTARY ON THE END TIMES FROM A BIBLICAL PROSPECTIVE, BASED ON 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5, READ AND LEARN WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 228A]
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:11 – 13, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As Malachi states at, Malachi 4:1 – 2, [AV] “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.” Isaiah the prophet pleads for all to return to Almighty God (YHWH) at Isaiah 63:17, [AV] “O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants’ sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.” And, Isaiah 34:4 - 5, shows what will happen to those who do not return, [AV] “And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.”
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[2] COMMENTARY ON THE END TIMES FROM A BIBLICAL PROSPECTIVE, BASED ON 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5, READ AND LEARN WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:
2 Timothy 3:1-5 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (Authorized King James Bible, AV)
Actually when we examine this scripture in the light of news events of our day, it becomes readily apparent that the Bible is speaking of our time. There are many groups that have claimed to know when this will occur, but be you not mislead by these as they are false prophets as the scriptures show that even Jesus (Yeshua), the Son of God, did not know the hour or the day, as brought out at Mark 13:32-33, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." (AV). While we do not know the exact time, we are able to discern the season from the signs, and the Bible says, Mark 13:30-32, "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." (AV).
It is imperative that we keep spiritually awake now as brought out at Luke 21:34-36, "And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (AV). Remember this world of mostly unbelieving mankind, the ungodly ones, is to pass away as recorded at, 1 John 2:16-17, "And the world passeth away, and the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." (AV). This affirming of what will pass at this time is recorded at 2 Peter 3:7, "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." (AV). As can be seen from these scriptures, it is not the literal earth which is to pass away during these end times judgment period, but the ungodly men and systems and machinations of Satan the Devil.
Now some will question, since Fire symbolizes complete destruction whether this does not mean the earth is to be destroyed, but they fail to understand that Fire as here used means the complete destruction not of the world but of the ungodly men. In fact, it will be as in the days of Noah, 2 Peter 3:8-14, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holly conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot and blameless." (AV). Thus it is clear that we must live upright lives, an not become entangled with the world and its wrong practices and false doctrines.
Remember we are living in critical times and they will become ever more so as the day of judgment draws nearer and nearer. So keep spiritually awake and on the alert, remember what is written at 1 Peter 4:7, "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins." (AV).
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 228A]
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:11 – 13, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As Malachi states at, Malachi 4:1 – 2, [AV] “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.” Isaiah the prophet pleads for all to return to Almighty God (YHWH) at Isaiah 63:17, [AV] “O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants’ sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.” And, Isaiah 34:4 - 5, shows what will happen to those who do not return, [AV] “And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.”
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[2] COMMENTARY ON THE END TIMES FROM A BIBLICAL PROSPECTIVE, BASED ON 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5, READ AND LEARN WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:
2 Timothy 3:1-5 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (Authorized King James Bible, AV)
Actually when we examine this scripture in the light of news events of our day, it becomes readily apparent that the Bible is speaking of our time. There are many groups that have claimed to know when this will occur, but be you not mislead by these as they are false prophets as the scriptures show that even Jesus (Yeshua), the Son of God, did not know the hour or the day, as brought out at Mark 13:32-33, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." (AV). While we do not know the exact time, we are able to discern the season from the signs, and the Bible says, Mark 13:30-32, "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." (AV).
It is imperative that we keep spiritually awake now as brought out at Luke 21:34-36, "And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (AV). Remember this world of mostly unbelieving mankind, the ungodly ones, is to pass away as recorded at, 1 John 2:16-17, "And the world passeth away, and the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." (AV). This affirming of what will pass at this time is recorded at 2 Peter 3:7, "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." (AV). As can be seen from these scriptures, it is not the literal earth which is to pass away during these end times judgment period, but the ungodly men and systems and machinations of Satan the Devil.
Now some will question, since Fire symbolizes complete destruction whether this does not mean the earth is to be destroyed, but they fail to understand that Fire as here used means the complete destruction not of the world but of the ungodly men. In fact, it will be as in the days of Noah, 2 Peter 3:8-14, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holly conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot and blameless." (AV). Thus it is clear that we must live upright lives, an not become entangled with the world and its wrong practices and false doctrines.
Remember we are living in critical times and they will become ever more so as the day of judgment draws nearer and nearer. So keep spiritually awake and on the alert, remember what is written at 1 Peter 4:7, "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins." (AV).
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 229A]
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. Psalms 83:1 – 4, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Here is where the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; and others conspired to commit genocide against the people of Almighty God (YHWH). Yes, the neighbors of the Hebrews were always plotting violence against them and an account at Judges 8:28, [AV] says, “Thus was Midian subdued before the children of Israel, so that they lifted up their heads no more. And the country was in quietness forty years in the days of Gideon.” No wonder the Psalmist who wrote under inspiration Psalms 64:2, [AV] wrote, “Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:” And at Psalms 27:5, [AV] “For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.”
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THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Marrubium vulgare, Horehound
Abundance: uncommon
What: leaves, flowers
How: tea, candied
Where: fields, dry areas, poor soils
When: spring, early summer
Nutritional Value: flavonoids, medicinal properties
DANGERS: LARGE DOSES CAN INCREASE BLOOD PRESSURE
Horehound has a long history of medicinal use, which, to anyone who's ever tasted a concoction containing this plant, will not find surprising. Horehound's flavor is somewhat unusual to modern tastes. If forced to describe horehound's flavor I'd say it's what happens when root beer and licorice mate.
Both fresh and dried horehound leaves can be used to make a tea. Chop up or crumble the leaves fairly finely to maximize exposed surface area, but you need to leave the pieces big enough to strain out of the finished product. The best way is to start with 1 cup fresh leaves or 1/4 cup dried leave and boil them in 2 cups of water for ten minutes, followed by straining out the leaves. As is, the resulting fluid is too strong to drink straight. The next step is to mix one part of this infusion with 2 parts boiling water. This tea can now be drank straight as a hot beverage or cooled down to make an ice tea.
The original infusion mentioned above can be turned into a pleasant and beneficial cough syrup by combining one part infusion with two parts honey. Perhaps the most famous form of horehound is in hard candies sucked to sooth coughs. To make these candies mix 1 cup of the original infusion with two cups granulated sugar and a pinch of cream of tartar. Stir these together until the sugar dissolves, then slowly cook the mixture down until its temperature reads 290 degrees Fahrenheit on a candy thermometer. At this point pour the solution out onto a non-stick or buttered tray and then as it cools cut it into bite-sized pieces as it cools. [sourc - retrieved from http://www.foragingtexas.com/2012/07/horehound.html on 7/ 1 /2015]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 229A]
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. Psalms 83:1 – 4, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Here is where the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; and others conspired to commit genocide against the people of Almighty God (YHWH). Yes, the neighbors of the Hebrews were always plotting violence against them and an account at Judges 8:28, [AV] says, “Thus was Midian subdued before the children of Israel, so that they lifted up their heads no more. And the country was in quietness forty years in the days of Gideon.” No wonder the Psalmist who wrote under inspiration Psalms 64:2, [AV] wrote, “Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:” And at Psalms 27:5, [AV] “For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.”
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THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Marrubium vulgare, Horehound
Abundance: uncommon
What: leaves, flowers
How: tea, candied
Where: fields, dry areas, poor soils
When: spring, early summer
Nutritional Value: flavonoids, medicinal properties
DANGERS: LARGE DOSES CAN INCREASE BLOOD PRESSURE
Horehound has a long history of medicinal use, which, to anyone who's ever tasted a concoction containing this plant, will not find surprising. Horehound's flavor is somewhat unusual to modern tastes. If forced to describe horehound's flavor I'd say it's what happens when root beer and licorice mate.
Both fresh and dried horehound leaves can be used to make a tea. Chop up or crumble the leaves fairly finely to maximize exposed surface area, but you need to leave the pieces big enough to strain out of the finished product. The best way is to start with 1 cup fresh leaves or 1/4 cup dried leave and boil them in 2 cups of water for ten minutes, followed by straining out the leaves. As is, the resulting fluid is too strong to drink straight. The next step is to mix one part of this infusion with 2 parts boiling water. This tea can now be drank straight as a hot beverage or cooled down to make an ice tea.
The original infusion mentioned above can be turned into a pleasant and beneficial cough syrup by combining one part infusion with two parts honey. Perhaps the most famous form of horehound is in hard candies sucked to sooth coughs. To make these candies mix 1 cup of the original infusion with two cups granulated sugar and a pinch of cream of tartar. Stir these together until the sugar dissolves, then slowly cook the mixture down until its temperature reads 290 degrees Fahrenheit on a candy thermometer. At this point pour the solution out onto a non-stick or buttered tray and then as it cools cut it into bite-sized pieces as it cools. [sourc - retrieved from http://www.foragingtexas.com/2012/07/horehound.html on 7/ 1 /2015]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] DISCOURSE ON A CREATIVE DAY NOT A LITERAL 24 HOUR DAY
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 230A]
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; Ephesians 4:22 – 23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
We must make our life over in keeping with Romans 6:5 – 6, [AV] “For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Remember per Romans 8:13, [AV] “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” Yes, ask Almighty God (YHWH) to Psalms 51: 9 - 10, [AV] “Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. 10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.”
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[2] DISCOURSE ON A CREATIVE DAY NOT A LITERAL 24 HOUR DAY
INTRODUCTION:
Many wonder whether a creative day is a 24 hour day or a much longer period of time. Some misguided creationist attempt to maintain that it is a 24 hour day because they claim if it is longer that an evolutionist view would have more support. However, they are wrong on both accounts and the evolutionist of course are wrong with respect how life came into being.
Even a quick look at Genesis 2:1-3 clearly shows this as impossible, "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
But to get a better understanding of what time period is covered, let's get an understanding of the different meanings the word 'day' can have as used in the Bible.
MEANING OF THE WORD DAY IN THE BIBLE:
Let's look at what an encyclopedia says on the subject,
<<"No names were used by the Hebrews for the days of the week, except for the seventh day, called the Sabbath. (See SABBATH DAY.) Reference was made to the various days by their numerical order. In the days of Jesus and his apostles, the day preceding the Sabbath was called the Preparation. (Mt 28:1; Ac 20:7; Mr 15:42; Joh 19:31; see WEEK.) The practice of naming the days after the names of the planets and other heavenly bodies was pagan. The Romans named the days after the Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and Saturn, but in northern Europe, four of these names were later changed into the Germanic equivalents of the Roman gods whom the days represented.
Sometimes the word "day" is used to indicate a measure of distance, as in the expressions "a day's journey" and "a sabbath day's journey."-Nu 11:31; Ac 1:12; see WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
In prophecy a day is at times used to stand for one year. This can be noted at Ezekiel 4:6: "You must lie upon your right side in the second case, and you must carry the error of the house of Judah forty days. A day for a year, a day for a year, is what I have given you."-See also Nu 14:34.
Certain specific numbers of days given in connection with prophecies are: three and a half days (Re 11:9); 10 days (Re 2:10); 40 days (Eze 4:6); 390 days (Eze 4:5); 1,260 days (Re 11:3; 12:6); 1,290 days (Da 12:11); 1,335 days (Da 12:12); and 2,300 days (Da 8:14).
The term "day(s)" is also used with reference to a time period contemporaneous with a particular person, as for example, "the days of Noah" and "the days of Lot."-Lu 17:26-30; Isa 1:1.
Other cases where the word "day" is used in a flexible or figurative sense are: "the day of God's creating Adam" (Ge 5:1), "the day of Jehovah" (Zep 1:7), the "day of fury" (Zep 1:15), "the day of salvation" (2Co 6:2), "the day of judgment" (2Pe 3:7), "the great day of God the Almighty" (Re 16:14), and others.
This flexible use of the word "day" to express units of time of varying length is clearly evident in the Genesis account of creation. Therein is set forth a week of six creative days followed by a seventh day of rest. The week assigned for observance by the Jews under the Law covenant given them by God was a miniature copy of that creative week. (Ex 20:8-11) In the Scriptural record the account of each of the six creative days concludes with the statement: "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning" a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day. (Ge 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31) The seventh day, however, does not have this ending, indicating that this period, during which God has been resting from his creative works toward the earth, continued on. At Hebrews 4:1-10 the apostle Paul indicated that God's rest day was still continuing in his generation, and that was more than 4,000 years after that seventh-day rest period began. This makes it evident that each creative day, or work period, was at least thousands of years in length. As A Religious Encyclopaedia (Vol. I, p. 613) observes: "The days of creation were creative days, stages in the process, but not days of twenty-four hours each."-Edited by P. Schaff, 1894."">> [source A Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, edited by P. Schaff in 1894]
Those who state a day must always be 24 hours are of course in error. We are still in God's (YHWH's) rest day with regard to further creation, our literal day has nothing to do with a creative day; to wit, we can have many days within a creative day. This is also so for the day spoken of at 2 Peter 3:8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (Authorized King James Bible; AV)
For example, 2 Peter 3:8 that " But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (AV) is nothing but an indication that our Lord is transcendent; i.e., He is outside of time. Therefore, this gives clear indication that a creative day is something other than a literal 24 hour day.
And Psalms 90:4 clearly also shows this to be the case, "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (AV). So clearly 'creative days' must be symbolic days which can consist of many literal days. Even to day this is the case in the far north where night is about 6 months long and day is about 6 months long, but are composed of 365+ literal days based on revolving of the earth.
Now when we look at Genesis 2:1-3," Genesis 2:1-3 clearly says, " And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made." (American Standard Version: ASV). And he is still in his rest "day" as NO NEW WORKS OF CREATION have occurred for thousands of years.
We are still in God's (YHWH's) rest day with regard to further creation, our literal day has nothing to do with a creative day; to wit, we can have many days within a creative day. This is also so for the day spoken of at 2 Peter 3:8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). In fact, almost 6,000 years have passed since God (YHWH) entered into his rest day so clearly a creative day can NOT be a literal day of 24 hours.
In fact, God (YHWH) informed Adam that the sentence for eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad would be his death in the same day as recorded at Genesis 2:15-17, " And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (AV). Now let's see what happened when Adam disobeyed with a view to understanding that here to 'day' did not mean a 24 hour day. Let's look at Genesis 3:17-19, " And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (AV).
Now, we all know, he did not die in that literal 24 hour day, but went on to have a family and lived many literal days after that; therefore, 'day' as used here was NOT a 24 hour day, but another period of time. So as can be seen 'day' as used in Genesis really is a much longer period of time than a literal 24 hour day.
WHAT EXPERTS IN THE FIELD SAY WITH RESPECT CREATIVE DAY:
How Long Are the Creative Days?
<<"The Bible mentions days of various lengths; for instance, "the day of temptation in the wilderness" - forty years (Heb. 3:8, 9); "A day with the Lord is as a thousand years" (2 Pet. 3:8); our Lord's "day," etc. (John 8:56). While God could have accomplished the great work of ordering the earth for man in six 24-hour days, or in six minutes, for that matter, there is no reason to think that such short days are meant.
God arranged a great week of seven days for His great work of bringing man to perfection. The first six of these days were used in preparing our planet to receive Adam as its earthly king. The seventh day of the creative week began after Adam's disobedience and fall and when God rested. The seventh day is not yet completed and has already lasted over six thousand years, according to Bible chronology, and is to be completed with the thousand years of Christ's reign. The seventh creative day will be 7000 years long. During this period, the Bible tells us the earth will be brought to a paradise condition and man will be restored by his Redeemer to God's image.
It is the length of the seventh day, so distinctly marked by history, chronology, and prophecy, that furnishes the clue that the length of the other creative days cannot be 24-hour days. Because the seventh day is 7000 years long, it is reasonable to expect that each of the six creative days preceding it were of equal length 3/4 7000 years each.">>[source - The Hartford Bible Students].
And,
<<" In summary, young earth creation science ministries of the 20th century have been successful in adding the doctrine of creation to the church. For nearly 1,900 years, this doctrine was not needed. However, because of a vision (dream) from some Seventh Day Adventists, we are now stuck in this creation battle, as young earth / old earth proponents argue their position against each other.
A young earth doctrine is not a part of most church denominations, nor was it ever a part of any pre twentieth-century church organizations which were responsible for setting doctrinal beliefs. As such, this doctrine should pass into history.
Millions of people, when given the choice of believing in a young earth, when all the evidence from God's creation says it is old, were turned away from the gospel. Fundamentalists of the 1920s and later made a fundamental mistake by insisting on a young earth. From that time, the word "Fundamentalism" has been used by the secular world to stereotype Christians, and it has done much harm. It is clear from scripture that you can believe in an old earth, and still believe in an inerrant Bible. You can be a fundamentalist and believe in an old earth.
We must stop turning people off to the Bible by insisting on young earth belief. Yes, many thousands have been saved by young-earth ministries...but compared with the millions that have been lost, the choice is clear.">>[source - Creation Science Exposed - The Doctrine of Creation by Greg Neyman]
And,
<<"Literal or Symbolic Creative Days?
Part of the implausibility of creation to both scientists and many Christians exists in the view of seven literal, 24 hour days. The argument for 7 literal days has been easily ridiculed by Darwinists. Many can recall the scandal of the Scopes Trial where a well meaning Christian was declared a fool by an already skeptical public.
As seekers of truth, we must not blindly accept handed-down interpretation as fact. This would be no better than the scientist who assumes evolution to be true simply because it is the only answer science has to offer.
The Genesis account of seven days is true, but the traditional conclusion of these being 24 hours each is based upon interpretation. When viewed in the light of investigation, the Bible in fact teaches a far more reasonable creative process, and thus, on this score, harmony can be found between claims of science and the Bible account of creation.
Genesis 1:1-2 states: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Note that no length of time is given for this act of creation. It is reasonable to assume, then, that this period of time could have been quite long. Not until verse 3 does the narrative of the creative days begin. But even here, Bible evidence points to these being vastly longer than 24 hour days. The Hebrew word yom, here translated "day," can be used to denote not only a 24 hour day, but also longer periods of time or epochs. For example, Israel's forty years in the wilderness is called "the day [yom] of temptation in the wilderness . . . forty years long . . ." Psalm 95:8-10
Determining the length of the seventh day is key to discovering the length of the other six creative days. The seventh creative day is unique in its record compared to the other six in that it does not conclude "...the evening and the morning were the seventh day...," nor does it indicate that the seventh day ended. Genesis 2:2-3 Theologians generally teach that we are still in this last creative day, for God rested after the creation of Adam and Eve on the sixth day. Bible chronology and secular history agree that it is now approximately 6,000 years since the first recorded evidence of man. The Bible also teaches that the final work of Christ will be a millenial reign or "judgment day" of 1000 years. 2Pet. 3:8 Most Bible scholars agree that we are at the threshold of this Messianic reign. A quick addition will conclude 7,000 years for the last creative day. Thus, we can make a logical deduction of 7,000 years for each of the other creative days. Although this time period is vastly shorter than the scientific claim of millions of years needed for evolution, it is quite sufficient for God to develop the fixed species and their habitats.">>[source - Confirming the Creation Account by BibleStudents.com]
And,
<<" When we look up the word "Day", in a concordance, we find every scripture that uses the word "Day" listed one after another. If you take the time to go through them all, you'll find some very interesting things about the usage of that word within the Bible. Most of the time it is referring to 24 hours but not always.
2 Pet 3:8 But do not forget this one thing dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. (NIV)
2 Pet 3:8 But beloved be not ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. (KJV)
Notice above that "do not forget" and "be not ignorant" can have two different meanings on their own . Nonetheless, they convey exactly the same message in both the scriptures above.
In the message of the above scriptures, Peter is telling us that in relation to mankind, God equates a thousand years as being the same as one day to him. This is also telling us is that each creative day is at least a thousand years long. I say at least, because there is a Biblical reason to believe that each day was longer than a thousand years. Remember a thousand years equaling a day is to how God relates His time to mankind. But that is not saying how long a period He considers his own day to be. Everyone knows the Bible tells us that God rested on the seventh day, but you will not find a scripture anywhere in the Bible that says ... there was an evening and a morning ... a seventh day. The reason for that is because that seventh day has not ended yet.
Still tracing the word day in a concordance, we find Peter in the book of Hebrews, in the fourth chapter, tells us we are still in God's rest day. Therefore, reason tells us this means each creative day would have to be at least six thousand years long. Why? Because the calendar tells us we are into the sixth thousandth year of the seventh day. That would make a total, so far, of THIRTY SIX thousand years for creation, on the earth. I say "so far" because we don't know how long each of God's days lasts, because His day of rest is not over yet. God knows when His next day begins, and Christ knows, and probably the angels know, but we don't. And the truth of the matter is it isn't important to our existence. Interesting yes! Important no! Just the same, in relation to the rest of God's Word, this one little word "day" has unfolded a wealth of information. Information coming from God's own interpretation from His own word the Bible.">>
And,
Let's look even further. Strong's Hebrew dictionary defines day as:
<<"3117 yowm (yome);
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), [often used adverb]:
It turns out that the original Hebrew written in Gen 2:4 used the word "Beyowm" distinguishing the word as an adverb. Clearly marking it as being used to define a space of time. Just as we might say "In George Washington's day." Or, "In the day of the dinosaur." The very word "Beyowm" here represents an undefined space or period of time in relation to the topic it is being used with. Now in the first case above "In George Washington's day." that figurative day represents roughly 67 years. In the second case "The day of the dinosaur." represents over 150 million years.
So how long was each creative day? The truth is we have no idea. Nor, for that matter do we even know that each day was the same space or length in time. What we do know from all this is that these creative days were NOT 24 hours long.">> [source - THE BIBLE'S CREDIBILITY ]
CONCLUSION:
A creative day is many thousands of years, probably 7,000 years or greater and NOT 24 literal hours as some claim in error.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 230A]
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; Ephesians 4:22 – 23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
We must make our life over in keeping with Romans 6:5 – 6, [AV] “For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Remember per Romans 8:13, [AV] “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” Yes, ask Almighty God (YHWH) to Psalms 51: 9 - 10, [AV] “Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. 10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.”
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[2] DISCOURSE ON A CREATIVE DAY NOT A LITERAL 24 HOUR DAY
INTRODUCTION:
Many wonder whether a creative day is a 24 hour day or a much longer period of time. Some misguided creationist attempt to maintain that it is a 24 hour day because they claim if it is longer that an evolutionist view would have more support. However, they are wrong on both accounts and the evolutionist of course are wrong with respect how life came into being.
Even a quick look at Genesis 2:1-3 clearly shows this as impossible, "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
But to get a better understanding of what time period is covered, let's get an understanding of the different meanings the word 'day' can have as used in the Bible.
MEANING OF THE WORD DAY IN THE BIBLE:
Let's look at what an encyclopedia says on the subject,
<<"No names were used by the Hebrews for the days of the week, except for the seventh day, called the Sabbath. (See SABBATH DAY.) Reference was made to the various days by their numerical order. In the days of Jesus and his apostles, the day preceding the Sabbath was called the Preparation. (Mt 28:1; Ac 20:7; Mr 15:42; Joh 19:31; see WEEK.) The practice of naming the days after the names of the planets and other heavenly bodies was pagan. The Romans named the days after the Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and Saturn, but in northern Europe, four of these names were later changed into the Germanic equivalents of the Roman gods whom the days represented.
Sometimes the word "day" is used to indicate a measure of distance, as in the expressions "a day's journey" and "a sabbath day's journey."-Nu 11:31; Ac 1:12; see WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
In prophecy a day is at times used to stand for one year. This can be noted at Ezekiel 4:6: "You must lie upon your right side in the second case, and you must carry the error of the house of Judah forty days. A day for a year, a day for a year, is what I have given you."-See also Nu 14:34.
Certain specific numbers of days given in connection with prophecies are: three and a half days (Re 11:9); 10 days (Re 2:10); 40 days (Eze 4:6); 390 days (Eze 4:5); 1,260 days (Re 11:3; 12:6); 1,290 days (Da 12:11); 1,335 days (Da 12:12); and 2,300 days (Da 8:14).
The term "day(s)" is also used with reference to a time period contemporaneous with a particular person, as for example, "the days of Noah" and "the days of Lot."-Lu 17:26-30; Isa 1:1.
Other cases where the word "day" is used in a flexible or figurative sense are: "the day of God's creating Adam" (Ge 5:1), "the day of Jehovah" (Zep 1:7), the "day of fury" (Zep 1:15), "the day of salvation" (2Co 6:2), "the day of judgment" (2Pe 3:7), "the great day of God the Almighty" (Re 16:14), and others.
This flexible use of the word "day" to express units of time of varying length is clearly evident in the Genesis account of creation. Therein is set forth a week of six creative days followed by a seventh day of rest. The week assigned for observance by the Jews under the Law covenant given them by God was a miniature copy of that creative week. (Ex 20:8-11) In the Scriptural record the account of each of the six creative days concludes with the statement: "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning" a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day. (Ge 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31) The seventh day, however, does not have this ending, indicating that this period, during which God has been resting from his creative works toward the earth, continued on. At Hebrews 4:1-10 the apostle Paul indicated that God's rest day was still continuing in his generation, and that was more than 4,000 years after that seventh-day rest period began. This makes it evident that each creative day, or work period, was at least thousands of years in length. As A Religious Encyclopaedia (Vol. I, p. 613) observes: "The days of creation were creative days, stages in the process, but not days of twenty-four hours each."-Edited by P. Schaff, 1894."">> [source A Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, edited by P. Schaff in 1894]
Those who state a day must always be 24 hours are of course in error. We are still in God's (YHWH's) rest day with regard to further creation, our literal day has nothing to do with a creative day; to wit, we can have many days within a creative day. This is also so for the day spoken of at 2 Peter 3:8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (Authorized King James Bible; AV)
For example, 2 Peter 3:8 that " But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (AV) is nothing but an indication that our Lord is transcendent; i.e., He is outside of time. Therefore, this gives clear indication that a creative day is something other than a literal 24 hour day.
And Psalms 90:4 clearly also shows this to be the case, "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (AV). So clearly 'creative days' must be symbolic days which can consist of many literal days. Even to day this is the case in the far north where night is about 6 months long and day is about 6 months long, but are composed of 365+ literal days based on revolving of the earth.
Now when we look at Genesis 2:1-3," Genesis 2:1-3 clearly says, " And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made." (American Standard Version: ASV). And he is still in his rest "day" as NO NEW WORKS OF CREATION have occurred for thousands of years.
We are still in God's (YHWH's) rest day with regard to further creation, our literal day has nothing to do with a creative day; to wit, we can have many days within a creative day. This is also so for the day spoken of at 2 Peter 3:8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). In fact, almost 6,000 years have passed since God (YHWH) entered into his rest day so clearly a creative day can NOT be a literal day of 24 hours.
In fact, God (YHWH) informed Adam that the sentence for eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad would be his death in the same day as recorded at Genesis 2:15-17, " And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (AV). Now let's see what happened when Adam disobeyed with a view to understanding that here to 'day' did not mean a 24 hour day. Let's look at Genesis 3:17-19, " And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (AV).
Now, we all know, he did not die in that literal 24 hour day, but went on to have a family and lived many literal days after that; therefore, 'day' as used here was NOT a 24 hour day, but another period of time. So as can be seen 'day' as used in Genesis really is a much longer period of time than a literal 24 hour day.
WHAT EXPERTS IN THE FIELD SAY WITH RESPECT CREATIVE DAY:
How Long Are the Creative Days?
<<"The Bible mentions days of various lengths; for instance, "the day of temptation in the wilderness" - forty years (Heb. 3:8, 9); "A day with the Lord is as a thousand years" (2 Pet. 3:8); our Lord's "day," etc. (John 8:56). While God could have accomplished the great work of ordering the earth for man in six 24-hour days, or in six minutes, for that matter, there is no reason to think that such short days are meant.
God arranged a great week of seven days for His great work of bringing man to perfection. The first six of these days were used in preparing our planet to receive Adam as its earthly king. The seventh day of the creative week began after Adam's disobedience and fall and when God rested. The seventh day is not yet completed and has already lasted over six thousand years, according to Bible chronology, and is to be completed with the thousand years of Christ's reign. The seventh creative day will be 7000 years long. During this period, the Bible tells us the earth will be brought to a paradise condition and man will be restored by his Redeemer to God's image.
It is the length of the seventh day, so distinctly marked by history, chronology, and prophecy, that furnishes the clue that the length of the other creative days cannot be 24-hour days. Because the seventh day is 7000 years long, it is reasonable to expect that each of the six creative days preceding it were of equal length 3/4 7000 years each.">>[source - The Hartford Bible Students].
And,
<<" In summary, young earth creation science ministries of the 20th century have been successful in adding the doctrine of creation to the church. For nearly 1,900 years, this doctrine was not needed. However, because of a vision (dream) from some Seventh Day Adventists, we are now stuck in this creation battle, as young earth / old earth proponents argue their position against each other.
A young earth doctrine is not a part of most church denominations, nor was it ever a part of any pre twentieth-century church organizations which were responsible for setting doctrinal beliefs. As such, this doctrine should pass into history.
Millions of people, when given the choice of believing in a young earth, when all the evidence from God's creation says it is old, were turned away from the gospel. Fundamentalists of the 1920s and later made a fundamental mistake by insisting on a young earth. From that time, the word "Fundamentalism" has been used by the secular world to stereotype Christians, and it has done much harm. It is clear from scripture that you can believe in an old earth, and still believe in an inerrant Bible. You can be a fundamentalist and believe in an old earth.
We must stop turning people off to the Bible by insisting on young earth belief. Yes, many thousands have been saved by young-earth ministries...but compared with the millions that have been lost, the choice is clear.">>[source - Creation Science Exposed - The Doctrine of Creation by Greg Neyman]
And,
<<"Literal or Symbolic Creative Days?
Part of the implausibility of creation to both scientists and many Christians exists in the view of seven literal, 24 hour days. The argument for 7 literal days has been easily ridiculed by Darwinists. Many can recall the scandal of the Scopes Trial where a well meaning Christian was declared a fool by an already skeptical public.
As seekers of truth, we must not blindly accept handed-down interpretation as fact. This would be no better than the scientist who assumes evolution to be true simply because it is the only answer science has to offer.
The Genesis account of seven days is true, but the traditional conclusion of these being 24 hours each is based upon interpretation. When viewed in the light of investigation, the Bible in fact teaches a far more reasonable creative process, and thus, on this score, harmony can be found between claims of science and the Bible account of creation.
Genesis 1:1-2 states: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Note that no length of time is given for this act of creation. It is reasonable to assume, then, that this period of time could have been quite long. Not until verse 3 does the narrative of the creative days begin. But even here, Bible evidence points to these being vastly longer than 24 hour days. The Hebrew word yom, here translated "day," can be used to denote not only a 24 hour day, but also longer periods of time or epochs. For example, Israel's forty years in the wilderness is called "the day [yom] of temptation in the wilderness . . . forty years long . . ." Psalm 95:8-10
Determining the length of the seventh day is key to discovering the length of the other six creative days. The seventh creative day is unique in its record compared to the other six in that it does not conclude "...the evening and the morning were the seventh day...," nor does it indicate that the seventh day ended. Genesis 2:2-3 Theologians generally teach that we are still in this last creative day, for God rested after the creation of Adam and Eve on the sixth day. Bible chronology and secular history agree that it is now approximately 6,000 years since the first recorded evidence of man. The Bible also teaches that the final work of Christ will be a millenial reign or "judgment day" of 1000 years. 2Pet. 3:8 Most Bible scholars agree that we are at the threshold of this Messianic reign. A quick addition will conclude 7,000 years for the last creative day. Thus, we can make a logical deduction of 7,000 years for each of the other creative days. Although this time period is vastly shorter than the scientific claim of millions of years needed for evolution, it is quite sufficient for God to develop the fixed species and their habitats.">>[source - Confirming the Creation Account by BibleStudents.com]
And,
<<" When we look up the word "Day", in a concordance, we find every scripture that uses the word "Day" listed one after another. If you take the time to go through them all, you'll find some very interesting things about the usage of that word within the Bible. Most of the time it is referring to 24 hours but not always.
2 Pet 3:8 But do not forget this one thing dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. (NIV)
2 Pet 3:8 But beloved be not ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. (KJV)
Notice above that "do not forget" and "be not ignorant" can have two different meanings on their own . Nonetheless, they convey exactly the same message in both the scriptures above.
In the message of the above scriptures, Peter is telling us that in relation to mankind, God equates a thousand years as being the same as one day to him. This is also telling us is that each creative day is at least a thousand years long. I say at least, because there is a Biblical reason to believe that each day was longer than a thousand years. Remember a thousand years equaling a day is to how God relates His time to mankind. But that is not saying how long a period He considers his own day to be. Everyone knows the Bible tells us that God rested on the seventh day, but you will not find a scripture anywhere in the Bible that says ... there was an evening and a morning ... a seventh day. The reason for that is because that seventh day has not ended yet.
Still tracing the word day in a concordance, we find Peter in the book of Hebrews, in the fourth chapter, tells us we are still in God's rest day. Therefore, reason tells us this means each creative day would have to be at least six thousand years long. Why? Because the calendar tells us we are into the sixth thousandth year of the seventh day. That would make a total, so far, of THIRTY SIX thousand years for creation, on the earth. I say "so far" because we don't know how long each of God's days lasts, because His day of rest is not over yet. God knows when His next day begins, and Christ knows, and probably the angels know, but we don't. And the truth of the matter is it isn't important to our existence. Interesting yes! Important no! Just the same, in relation to the rest of God's Word, this one little word "day" has unfolded a wealth of information. Information coming from God's own interpretation from His own word the Bible.">>
And,
Let's look even further. Strong's Hebrew dictionary defines day as:
<<"3117 yowm (yome);
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), [often used adverb]:
It turns out that the original Hebrew written in Gen 2:4 used the word "Beyowm" distinguishing the word as an adverb. Clearly marking it as being used to define a space of time. Just as we might say "In George Washington's day." Or, "In the day of the dinosaur." The very word "Beyowm" here represents an undefined space or period of time in relation to the topic it is being used with. Now in the first case above "In George Washington's day." that figurative day represents roughly 67 years. In the second case "The day of the dinosaur." represents over 150 million years.
So how long was each creative day? The truth is we have no idea. Nor, for that matter do we even know that each day was the same space or length in time. What we do know from all this is that these creative days were NOT 24 hours long.">> [source - THE BIBLE'S CREDIBILITY ]
CONCLUSION:
A creative day is many thousands of years, probably 7,000 years or greater and NOT 24 literal hours as some claim in error.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] GOD (YHWH) HATES PAGAN BELIEFS AND PRACTICES
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 231A]
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galations 5:22 – 23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, against all these beneficial traits there is indeed no law as made clear at Phillipians 1:10 – 11, [AV] “That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.” Though some formerly walked in other ways, Ephesians 5:8 – 9, [AV] shows, “For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)” Indeed, what comes from above is, James 3:17, [AV] “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.” Laws are for those who are lawless per 1 Timothy 1:9, [AV] “Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,”
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[2] GOD (YHWH) HATES PAGAN BELIEFS AND PRACTICES (short)
INTRODUCTION:
God (YHWH) hates pagan beliefs and practices as shown time and time again in the Bible, and he does not accept them if someone and/or group wraps them in a so called Christian façade. Why? This just masquerades their true pagan nature just as a con man hides the facts, but in no way changes it. Since all pagan beliefs/doctrines/practices have their origin with the god of this system, they are in effect anti-God (YHWH). Now who is the god of this system or world? Let's look at what Jesus (Yeshua) said at John 14:30-31, " No longer, many things, will I speak with you; for, the world's ruler, is coming, and, in me, hath, nothing,-- 31 But, that the world may get to know that I love the Father, and just as the Father hath given me commandment, so, I do. Be rousing yourselves! let us be leading on from hence." (Rotherham Bible; RB).
A BIBLE EXAMPLE FROM EXODUS OF GOD'S (YHWH) HATE OF PAGANISM:
First, as shown in Exodus 23:31-33, true worshippers of the God (YHWH) of Abraham were NOT to have anything to do with the pagan nations around them or with their beliefs, " So will I set thy bounds from the Red Sea, even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert, unto the River[[=Euphrates]], --for I will deliver into your hand the inhabitants of the land, so shalt thou drive them out from before thee.
32 THOU SHALT NOT MAKE, WITH THEM OR WITH THEIR GODS, A COVENANT:
33 THEY SHALL NOT DWELL IN THY LAND, LEST THEY CAUSE, THEE, TO SIN AGAINST, ME,--FOR THOU MIGHTEST SERVE THEIR GODS, VERILY! IT WOULD BECOME TO THEE, A SNARE!" (RB). This clearly shows that all true worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham should stay far from the wrong beliefs and practices of the pagans, and 2 Corinthians 4:4 clarifies why, " In whom, the god of this age, hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, to the end they may not discern the radiance of the glad-message of the glory of the Christ--who is the image of God." (RB).
And this fact is echoed at Exodus 34:11-16, " Take thou heed what, I, am commanding thee this day,--behold me! driving out from before thee--the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. 12 Take heed to thyself, Lest thou solemnise a covenant with the inhabitant of the land, whereupon, thou, art about to enter,--Lest he become a snare in thy midst; 13 FOR, THEIR ALTARS, SHALL YE SMASH, AND, THEIR PILLARS, SHALL YE SHIVER,--AND, THEIR SACRED-STEMS, SHALL YE FELL. 14 FOR THOU SHALT NOT BOW THYSELF DOWN TO ANOTHER GOD,--FOR, AS FOR YAHWEH, JEALOUS, IS HIS NAME, A JEALOUS GOD, HE IS: 15 LEST THOU SOLEMNISE A COVENANT, WITH THE INHABITANT OF THE LAND,--AND THEN, AS SURELY AS THEY GO UNCHASTELY AFTER THEIR GODS, AND SACRIFICE TO THEIR GODS, SO SURELY WILL HE INVITE THEE, AND THOU WILT EAT OF HIS SACRIFICE; 16 And thou wilt take of his daughters, for thy sons,--And his daughters will go unchastely after their gods, And will cause, thy sons, to go unchastely after their gods." (RB) clearly we can see this scripture shows that all true worshippers of the God (YHWH) of Abraham should stay far from the practices of the pagans and definitely NOT adopt them.
This is also in keeping with Exodus 20:3-5, the first three of the Ten Commandments, " Thou shalt not have other gods, besides me. 4 Thou shalt not make to thee an image, or any form, that is in the heavens above,--or that is in the earth beneath,--or that is in the waters, beneath the earth: 5 thou shalt not bow thyself down to them, nor be led to serve them--For, I, Yahweh, thy God, am a jealous GOD, visiting the iniquity of fathers, upon sons, unto three generations and unto four, of them that hate me;" (RB).
CONCLUSION:
So now all can see why worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham must stay away from pagan practices and beliefs as the are something detestable to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham no matter how many believe them okay as this is the Devil's trick to deceive one even into thinking that they are really Christian when they DEFINITELY are NOT.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 231A]
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galations 5:22 – 23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, against all these beneficial traits there is indeed no law as made clear at Phillipians 1:10 – 11, [AV] “That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.” Though some formerly walked in other ways, Ephesians 5:8 – 9, [AV] shows, “For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)” Indeed, what comes from above is, James 3:17, [AV] “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.” Laws are for those who are lawless per 1 Timothy 1:9, [AV] “Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,”
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[2] GOD (YHWH) HATES PAGAN BELIEFS AND PRACTICES (short)
INTRODUCTION:
God (YHWH) hates pagan beliefs and practices as shown time and time again in the Bible, and he does not accept them if someone and/or group wraps them in a so called Christian façade. Why? This just masquerades their true pagan nature just as a con man hides the facts, but in no way changes it. Since all pagan beliefs/doctrines/practices have their origin with the god of this system, they are in effect anti-God (YHWH). Now who is the god of this system or world? Let's look at what Jesus (Yeshua) said at John 14:30-31, " No longer, many things, will I speak with you; for, the world's ruler, is coming, and, in me, hath, nothing,-- 31 But, that the world may get to know that I love the Father, and just as the Father hath given me commandment, so, I do. Be rousing yourselves! let us be leading on from hence." (Rotherham Bible; RB).
A BIBLE EXAMPLE FROM EXODUS OF GOD'S (YHWH) HATE OF PAGANISM:
First, as shown in Exodus 23:31-33, true worshippers of the God (YHWH) of Abraham were NOT to have anything to do with the pagan nations around them or with their beliefs, " So will I set thy bounds from the Red Sea, even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert, unto the River[[=Euphrates]], --for I will deliver into your hand the inhabitants of the land, so shalt thou drive them out from before thee.
32 THOU SHALT NOT MAKE, WITH THEM OR WITH THEIR GODS, A COVENANT:
33 THEY SHALL NOT DWELL IN THY LAND, LEST THEY CAUSE, THEE, TO SIN AGAINST, ME,--FOR THOU MIGHTEST SERVE THEIR GODS, VERILY! IT WOULD BECOME TO THEE, A SNARE!" (RB). This clearly shows that all true worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham should stay far from the wrong beliefs and practices of the pagans, and 2 Corinthians 4:4 clarifies why, " In whom, the god of this age, hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, to the end they may not discern the radiance of the glad-message of the glory of the Christ--who is the image of God." (RB).
And this fact is echoed at Exodus 34:11-16, " Take thou heed what, I, am commanding thee this day,--behold me! driving out from before thee--the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. 12 Take heed to thyself, Lest thou solemnise a covenant with the inhabitant of the land, whereupon, thou, art about to enter,--Lest he become a snare in thy midst; 13 FOR, THEIR ALTARS, SHALL YE SMASH, AND, THEIR PILLARS, SHALL YE SHIVER,--AND, THEIR SACRED-STEMS, SHALL YE FELL. 14 FOR THOU SHALT NOT BOW THYSELF DOWN TO ANOTHER GOD,--FOR, AS FOR YAHWEH, JEALOUS, IS HIS NAME, A JEALOUS GOD, HE IS: 15 LEST THOU SOLEMNISE A COVENANT, WITH THE INHABITANT OF THE LAND,--AND THEN, AS SURELY AS THEY GO UNCHASTELY AFTER THEIR GODS, AND SACRIFICE TO THEIR GODS, SO SURELY WILL HE INVITE THEE, AND THOU WILT EAT OF HIS SACRIFICE; 16 And thou wilt take of his daughters, for thy sons,--And his daughters will go unchastely after their gods, And will cause, thy sons, to go unchastely after their gods." (RB) clearly we can see this scripture shows that all true worshippers of the God (YHWH) of Abraham should stay far from the practices of the pagans and definitely NOT adopt them.
This is also in keeping with Exodus 20:3-5, the first three of the Ten Commandments, " Thou shalt not have other gods, besides me. 4 Thou shalt not make to thee an image, or any form, that is in the heavens above,--or that is in the earth beneath,--or that is in the waters, beneath the earth: 5 thou shalt not bow thyself down to them, nor be led to serve them--For, I, Yahweh, thy God, am a jealous GOD, visiting the iniquity of fathers, upon sons, unto three generations and unto four, of them that hate me;" (RB).
CONCLUSION:
So now all can see why worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham must stay away from pagan practices and beliefs as the are something detestable to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham no matter how many believe them okay as this is the Devil's trick to deceive one even into thinking that they are really Christian when they DEFINITELY are NOT.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] DOCUMENTARY ON 1 JOHN 5:7
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 232A]
And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. Exodus 16:1, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This is one part of the detailed journey of the Hebrews from Egypt back to the land promised to them as a gift by Almighty God (YHWH). This part of their audious journey is detailed at Numbers 33:10 – 12, [AV] “And they removed from Elim, and encamped by the Red sea. 11 And they removed from the Red sea, and encamped in the wilderness of Sin. 12 And they took their journey out of the wilderness of Sin, and encamped in Dophkah.”
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[2] Documentary on 1 John 5:7
INTRODUCTION:
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (Authorized King James: AV)
1 John 5:7 "And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible)
1 John 5:7 " For there are three that testify:" (New American Standard Bible: NASB)
1 John 5:7 "There are three that testify:" (New Revised Standard Version; NRSV)
1 John 5:7 "quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant (The Latin Vulgate)
DETAIL:
As one can clearly see these three scriptures all of 1 John 5:7, are quite different, now why is this? Let's find out!
Many say 1 John 5:7 is the center masterpiece for the concept of the Trinity, i.e., the center or sustaining gem so to speak of this doctrine. One such follows:
This is the only passage in the whole Bible that gives any color to the trinity or "oneness" doctrines. It is the central crystal of the Christian faith upon which we hold the blessed trinity to be ever eternal self-evident to all. [Catholic pamphlet from 1903]
Now for this to be true, the Authorized King James and the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible versions would of necessity have to be true and the New American Standard Bible rendering false; but then Jerome's original Latin Vulgate had a rendering more in line with the New American Standard Bible (NASB) so there is cast the question of why the earliest Catholic bible was quite different from the present.
Really one or the other would have to be an intentional corruption of scripture in violation of Revelation 22:18, "It testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book;" (NASB)
Clearly someone has added to one of these two renderings of 1 John 5:7 since this is clearly NOT a difference resulting from differs in translation. Now which has been added to in violation of God's (YHWH's) commandment as recorded by his Apostle John?
Well let's see what the Moody Bible Institute has to say on this in one of their publications. "The text of this verse should read, 'Because there are three that bear record.' The remainder of the verse is spurious. Not a single manuscript contains the Trinitarian addition before the fourteenth century, and the verse is never quoted in the controversies over the Trinity in the first 450 years of the church era." [The Wycliffe Bible Commentary," edited by Charles F. Pfeiffer (OT) and Earett F. Harrison (NT), by Moody Press, Chicago, a division of Moody Bible Institute, ISBN: 0-8024-9695-4, Library of Congress Catalogue Card #: 62-20893, page 1477].
Quite an admission from an institute that is pro-Trinitarian; therefore, the New American Standard Bible is correct and the Authorized King James and the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible are in gross error here with respect to this addition made in violation of the command of Revelation 18:22. My what a surprise. In fact this corruption, "and these three are one" was added by a monk, and is so well knows, as previously mentioned, as a corrupt and spurious verse addition that it even has its own name, Comma Johanna (in Greek, Comma Ioanneum), can you imagine that?
In fact this corruption of scripture does not appear in any manuscript in or out of the New Testament earlier than the 13 th. Century. It occurs in NO ancient Gree, manuscript, nor in the writings of any Greek Christian writers. "It is universally discredited by Greek scholars and editors of the Greek text of the New Testament." ["The Goodspeed Parallel New Testament," by Edgar J. Goodspeed - Chicago 1943, page 557].
Strange, all good Bible scholars recognize this as spurious including Catholic scholars, but, "....most Catholic writers of the present day agree the words were not contained in the original test; at the same time, until further action be taken by the Holy See it is not open to Catholic editors to eliminate the words from a version made for use of the faithful." [The Westminister Version of the Sacred Scriptures," Cutbert Lattey, S.J., and Joseph Keating, S.J., general editors, Vol. IV, pages 145 and 146, London 1931]. Now really why is this, obviously they do NOT want the 'faithful' to know they have NOT been told the truth and that their false Trinity doctrine does not 'hold water.'
Most modern Bibles have eliminated this spurious addition done against the command found at Revelations 22:18: see the following:
For there are three that testify: (New American Standard Bible: NASB)
There are three that testify: (New Revised Standard Version: NRSV)
And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth. (The Revised Standard Version; RSV)
There are three witnesses: (The Good News Translation)
So there are three witnesses that tell us about Jesus: (New Century Version)
It is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. (World English Version)
For they that bear witness are three. (The Darby Translation)
For there are three that testify: (Holman Standard Christian Translation)
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood; (Weymouth Translation)
For there are three that testify: (New International Version)
Now really, how can anyone in all honesty believe a false doctrine whose principle support has been text that is spurious or test that can be translated at least nine (9) different ways without violating the grammatical rules of Koine Greek as can John 1:1? Especially so when the common rendering is shown to be out of context by John 1:2 and John 1:14 right after it.
Obviously thinking individuals should recognize the nonsense doctrine of the three-in-one god as spurious God (YHWH) dishonoring doctrine of men and NOT from God (YHWH).
APPENDIX TO COMMENTARY ON 1 JOHN 5:7:
(1) The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8 by Daniel B. Wallace, Ph.D.
"5:7 For there are three that testify, 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement." --NET Bible
Before toV pneu'ma kaiV toV u{dwr kaiV toV ai|ma, the Textus Receptus reads ejn tw'/ oujranw'/, oJ pathvr, oJ lovgo", kaiV toV a{gion pneu'ma, kaiV ou|toi oiJ trei'" e{n eijsi. 5:8 kaiV trei'" eijsin oiJ marturou'nte" ejn th'/ gh'/ ("in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 5:8 And there are three that testify on earth"). This reading, the infamous Comma Johanneum, has been known in the English-speaking world through the King James translation. However, the evidence-both external and internal-is decidedly against its authenticity. Our discussion will briefly address the external evidence.1
This longer reading is found only in eight late manuscripts, four of which have the words in a marginal note. Most of these manuscripts (2318, 221, and [with minor variations] 61, 88, 429, 629, 636, and 918) originate from the 16th century; the earliest manuscript, codex 221 (10th century), includes the reading in a marginal note which was added sometime after the original composition. Thus, there is no sure evidence of this reading in any Greek manuscript until the 1500s; each such reading was apparently composed after Erasmus' Greek NT was published in 1516. Indeed, the reading appears in no Greek witness of any kind (either manuscript, patristic, or Greek translation of some other version) until AD 1215 (in a Greek translation of the Acts of the Lateran Council, a work originally written in Latin). This is all the more significant, since many a Greek Father would have loved such a reading, for it so succinctly affirms the doctrine of the Trinity.2 The reading seems to have arisen in a fourth century Latin homily in which the text was allegorized to refer to members of the Trinity. From there, it made its way into copies of the Latin Vulgate, the text used by the Roman Catholic Church.
The Trinitarian formula (known as the Comma Johanneum) made its way into the third edition of Erasmus' Greek NT (1522) because of pressure from the Catholic Church. After his first edition appeared (1516), there arose such a furor over the absence of the Comma that Erasmus needed to defend himself. He argued that he did not put in the Comma because he found no Greek manuscripts that included it. Once one was produced (codex 61, written by one Roy or Froy at Oxford in c. 1520),3 Erasmus apparently felt obliged to include the reading. He became aware of this manuscript sometime between May of 1520 and September of 1521. In his annotations to his third edition he does not protest the rendering now in his text,4 as though it were made to order; but he does defend himself from the charge of indolence, noting that he had taken care to find whatever manuscripts he could for the production of his Greek New Testament. In the final analysis, Erasmus probably altered the text because of politico-theologico-economic concerns: he did not want his reputation ruined, nor his Novum Instrumentum to go unsold.
Modern advocates of the Textus Receptus and KJV generally argue for the inclusion of the Comma Johanneum on the basis of heretical motivation by scribes who did not include it. But these same scribes elsewhere include thoroughly orthodox readings-even in places where the TR/Byzantine manuscripts lack them. Further, these KJV advocates argue theologically from the position of divine preservation: since this verse is in the TR, it must be original. But this approach is circular, presupposing as it does that the TR = the original text. Further, it puts these Protestant proponents in the awkward and self-contradictory position of having to affirm that the Roman Catholic humanist, Erasmus, was just as inspired as the apostles, for on several occasions he invented readings-due either to carelessness or lack of Greek manuscripts (in particular, for the last six verses of Revelation Erasmus had to back-translate from Latin to Greek).
In reality, the issue is history, not heresy: How can one argue that the Comma Johanneum must go back to the original text when it did not appear until the 16th century in any Greek manuscripts? Such a stance does not do justice to the gospel: faith must be rooted in history. To argue that the Comma must be authentic is Bultmannian in its method, for it ignores history at every level. As such, it has very little to do with biblical Christianity, for a biblical faith is one that is rooted in history.
Significantly, the German translation done by Luther was based on Erasmus' second edition (1519) and lacked the Comma. But the KJV translators, basing their work principally on Theodore Beza's 10th edition of the Greek NT (1598), a work which itself was fundamentally based on Erasmus' third and later editions (and Stephanus' editions), popularized the Comma for the English-speaking world. Thus, the Comma Johanneum has been a battleground for English-speaking Christians more than for others.
Unfortunately, for many, the Comma and other similar passages have become such emotional baggage that is dragged around whenever the Bible is read that a knee-jerk reaction and ad hominem argumentation becomes the first and only way that they can process this issue. Sadly, neither empirical evidence nor reason can dissuade them from their views. The irony is that their very clinging to tradition at all costs (namely, of an outmoded translation which, though a literary monument in its day, is now like a Model T on the Autobahn) emulates Roman Catholicism in its regard for tradition.5 If the King James translators knew that this would be the result nearly four hundred years after the completion of their work, they'd be writhing in their graves.
1 For a detailed discussion, see Metzger, Textual Commentary, 2nd ed., 647-49.
2 Not only the ancient orthodox writers, but also modern orthodox scholars would of course be delighted if this reading were the original one. But the fact is that the evidence simply does not support the Trinitarian formula here-and these orthodox scholars just happen to hold to the reasonable position that it is essential to affirm what the Bible affirms where it affirms it, rather than create such affirmations ex nihilo. That KJV advocates have charged modern translations with heresy because they lack the Comma is a house of cards, for the same translators who have worked on the NIV, NASB, or NET (as well as many other translations) have written several articles and books affirming the Trinity.
3 This manuscript which contains the entire New Testament is now housed in Dublin. It has been examined so often at this one place that the book now reportedly falls open naturally to 1 John 5.
4 That Erasmus made such a protest or that he had explicitly promised to include the Comma is an overstatement of the evidence, though the converse of this can be said to be true: Erasmus refused to put this in his without Greek manuscript support.
5 Thus, TR-KJV advocates subconsciously embrace two diametrically opposed traditions: when it comes to the first 1500 years of church history, they hold to a Bultmannian kind of Christianity (viz., the basis for their belief in the superiority of the Byzantine manuscripts-and in particular, the half dozen that stand behind the TR-has very little empirical substance of historical worth). Once such readings became a part of tradition, however, by way of the TR, the argument shifts to one of tradition rather than non-empirical fideism. Neither basis, of course, resembles Protestantism.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 232A]
And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. Exodus 16:1, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This is one part of the detailed journey of the Hebrews from Egypt back to the land promised to them as a gift by Almighty God (YHWH). This part of their audious journey is detailed at Numbers 33:10 – 12, [AV] “And they removed from Elim, and encamped by the Red sea. 11 And they removed from the Red sea, and encamped in the wilderness of Sin. 12 And they took their journey out of the wilderness of Sin, and encamped in Dophkah.”
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7) https://religioustruths.forumotion.com/
To enjoy an online Bible study called “Follow the Christ” go to,http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/thread/1417398076/last-1417398076/Digital+Book+On+18+Part+Follow+Christ+Bible+Study
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth. "Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to WWW.JW.ORG!
[2] Documentary on 1 John 5:7
INTRODUCTION:
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (Authorized King James: AV)
1 John 5:7 "And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible)
1 John 5:7 " For there are three that testify:" (New American Standard Bible: NASB)
1 John 5:7 "There are three that testify:" (New Revised Standard Version; NRSV)
1 John 5:7 "quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant (The Latin Vulgate)
DETAIL:
As one can clearly see these three scriptures all of 1 John 5:7, are quite different, now why is this? Let's find out!
Many say 1 John 5:7 is the center masterpiece for the concept of the Trinity, i.e., the center or sustaining gem so to speak of this doctrine. One such follows:
This is the only passage in the whole Bible that gives any color to the trinity or "oneness" doctrines. It is the central crystal of the Christian faith upon which we hold the blessed trinity to be ever eternal self-evident to all. [Catholic pamphlet from 1903]
Now for this to be true, the Authorized King James and the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible versions would of necessity have to be true and the New American Standard Bible rendering false; but then Jerome's original Latin Vulgate had a rendering more in line with the New American Standard Bible (NASB) so there is cast the question of why the earliest Catholic bible was quite different from the present.
Really one or the other would have to be an intentional corruption of scripture in violation of Revelation 22:18, "It testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book;" (NASB)
Clearly someone has added to one of these two renderings of 1 John 5:7 since this is clearly NOT a difference resulting from differs in translation. Now which has been added to in violation of God's (YHWH's) commandment as recorded by his Apostle John?
Well let's see what the Moody Bible Institute has to say on this in one of their publications. "The text of this verse should read, 'Because there are three that bear record.' The remainder of the verse is spurious. Not a single manuscript contains the Trinitarian addition before the fourteenth century, and the verse is never quoted in the controversies over the Trinity in the first 450 years of the church era." [The Wycliffe Bible Commentary," edited by Charles F. Pfeiffer (OT) and Earett F. Harrison (NT), by Moody Press, Chicago, a division of Moody Bible Institute, ISBN: 0-8024-9695-4, Library of Congress Catalogue Card #: 62-20893, page 1477].
Quite an admission from an institute that is pro-Trinitarian; therefore, the New American Standard Bible is correct and the Authorized King James and the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible are in gross error here with respect to this addition made in violation of the command of Revelation 18:22. My what a surprise. In fact this corruption, "and these three are one" was added by a monk, and is so well knows, as previously mentioned, as a corrupt and spurious verse addition that it even has its own name, Comma Johanna (in Greek, Comma Ioanneum), can you imagine that?
In fact this corruption of scripture does not appear in any manuscript in or out of the New Testament earlier than the 13 th. Century. It occurs in NO ancient Gree, manuscript, nor in the writings of any Greek Christian writers. "It is universally discredited by Greek scholars and editors of the Greek text of the New Testament." ["The Goodspeed Parallel New Testament," by Edgar J. Goodspeed - Chicago 1943, page 557].
Strange, all good Bible scholars recognize this as spurious including Catholic scholars, but, "....most Catholic writers of the present day agree the words were not contained in the original test; at the same time, until further action be taken by the Holy See it is not open to Catholic editors to eliminate the words from a version made for use of the faithful." [The Westminister Version of the Sacred Scriptures," Cutbert Lattey, S.J., and Joseph Keating, S.J., general editors, Vol. IV, pages 145 and 146, London 1931]. Now really why is this, obviously they do NOT want the 'faithful' to know they have NOT been told the truth and that their false Trinity doctrine does not 'hold water.'
Most modern Bibles have eliminated this spurious addition done against the command found at Revelations 22:18: see the following:
For there are three that testify: (New American Standard Bible: NASB)
There are three that testify: (New Revised Standard Version: NRSV)
And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth. (The Revised Standard Version; RSV)
There are three witnesses: (The Good News Translation)
So there are three witnesses that tell us about Jesus: (New Century Version)
It is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. (World English Version)
For they that bear witness are three. (The Darby Translation)
For there are three that testify: (Holman Standard Christian Translation)
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood; (Weymouth Translation)
For there are three that testify: (New International Version)
Now really, how can anyone in all honesty believe a false doctrine whose principle support has been text that is spurious or test that can be translated at least nine (9) different ways without violating the grammatical rules of Koine Greek as can John 1:1? Especially so when the common rendering is shown to be out of context by John 1:2 and John 1:14 right after it.
Obviously thinking individuals should recognize the nonsense doctrine of the three-in-one god as spurious God (YHWH) dishonoring doctrine of men and NOT from God (YHWH).
APPENDIX TO COMMENTARY ON 1 JOHN 5:7:
(1) The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8 by Daniel B. Wallace, Ph.D.
"5:7 For there are three that testify, 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement." --NET Bible
Before toV pneu'ma kaiV toV u{dwr kaiV toV ai|ma, the Textus Receptus reads ejn tw'/ oujranw'/, oJ pathvr, oJ lovgo", kaiV toV a{gion pneu'ma, kaiV ou|toi oiJ trei'" e{n eijsi. 5:8 kaiV trei'" eijsin oiJ marturou'nte" ejn th'/ gh'/ ("in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 5:8 And there are three that testify on earth"). This reading, the infamous Comma Johanneum, has been known in the English-speaking world through the King James translation. However, the evidence-both external and internal-is decidedly against its authenticity. Our discussion will briefly address the external evidence.1
This longer reading is found only in eight late manuscripts, four of which have the words in a marginal note. Most of these manuscripts (2318, 221, and [with minor variations] 61, 88, 429, 629, 636, and 918) originate from the 16th century; the earliest manuscript, codex 221 (10th century), includes the reading in a marginal note which was added sometime after the original composition. Thus, there is no sure evidence of this reading in any Greek manuscript until the 1500s; each such reading was apparently composed after Erasmus' Greek NT was published in 1516. Indeed, the reading appears in no Greek witness of any kind (either manuscript, patristic, or Greek translation of some other version) until AD 1215 (in a Greek translation of the Acts of the Lateran Council, a work originally written in Latin). This is all the more significant, since many a Greek Father would have loved such a reading, for it so succinctly affirms the doctrine of the Trinity.2 The reading seems to have arisen in a fourth century Latin homily in which the text was allegorized to refer to members of the Trinity. From there, it made its way into copies of the Latin Vulgate, the text used by the Roman Catholic Church.
The Trinitarian formula (known as the Comma Johanneum) made its way into the third edition of Erasmus' Greek NT (1522) because of pressure from the Catholic Church. After his first edition appeared (1516), there arose such a furor over the absence of the Comma that Erasmus needed to defend himself. He argued that he did not put in the Comma because he found no Greek manuscripts that included it. Once one was produced (codex 61, written by one Roy or Froy at Oxford in c. 1520),3 Erasmus apparently felt obliged to include the reading. He became aware of this manuscript sometime between May of 1520 and September of 1521. In his annotations to his third edition he does not protest the rendering now in his text,4 as though it were made to order; but he does defend himself from the charge of indolence, noting that he had taken care to find whatever manuscripts he could for the production of his Greek New Testament. In the final analysis, Erasmus probably altered the text because of politico-theologico-economic concerns: he did not want his reputation ruined, nor his Novum Instrumentum to go unsold.
Modern advocates of the Textus Receptus and KJV generally argue for the inclusion of the Comma Johanneum on the basis of heretical motivation by scribes who did not include it. But these same scribes elsewhere include thoroughly orthodox readings-even in places where the TR/Byzantine manuscripts lack them. Further, these KJV advocates argue theologically from the position of divine preservation: since this verse is in the TR, it must be original. But this approach is circular, presupposing as it does that the TR = the original text. Further, it puts these Protestant proponents in the awkward and self-contradictory position of having to affirm that the Roman Catholic humanist, Erasmus, was just as inspired as the apostles, for on several occasions he invented readings-due either to carelessness or lack of Greek manuscripts (in particular, for the last six verses of Revelation Erasmus had to back-translate from Latin to Greek).
In reality, the issue is history, not heresy: How can one argue that the Comma Johanneum must go back to the original text when it did not appear until the 16th century in any Greek manuscripts? Such a stance does not do justice to the gospel: faith must be rooted in history. To argue that the Comma must be authentic is Bultmannian in its method, for it ignores history at every level. As such, it has very little to do with biblical Christianity, for a biblical faith is one that is rooted in history.
Significantly, the German translation done by Luther was based on Erasmus' second edition (1519) and lacked the Comma. But the KJV translators, basing their work principally on Theodore Beza's 10th edition of the Greek NT (1598), a work which itself was fundamentally based on Erasmus' third and later editions (and Stephanus' editions), popularized the Comma for the English-speaking world. Thus, the Comma Johanneum has been a battleground for English-speaking Christians more than for others.
Unfortunately, for many, the Comma and other similar passages have become such emotional baggage that is dragged around whenever the Bible is read that a knee-jerk reaction and ad hominem argumentation becomes the first and only way that they can process this issue. Sadly, neither empirical evidence nor reason can dissuade them from their views. The irony is that their very clinging to tradition at all costs (namely, of an outmoded translation which, though a literary monument in its day, is now like a Model T on the Autobahn) emulates Roman Catholicism in its regard for tradition.5 If the King James translators knew that this would be the result nearly four hundred years after the completion of their work, they'd be writhing in their graves.
1 For a detailed discussion, see Metzger, Textual Commentary, 2nd ed., 647-49.
2 Not only the ancient orthodox writers, but also modern orthodox scholars would of course be delighted if this reading were the original one. But the fact is that the evidence simply does not support the Trinitarian formula here-and these orthodox scholars just happen to hold to the reasonable position that it is essential to affirm what the Bible affirms where it affirms it, rather than create such affirmations ex nihilo. That KJV advocates have charged modern translations with heresy because they lack the Comma is a house of cards, for the same translators who have worked on the NIV, NASB, or NET (as well as many other translations) have written several articles and books affirming the Trinity.
3 This manuscript which contains the entire New Testament is now housed in Dublin. It has been examined so often at this one place that the book now reportedly falls open naturally to 1 John 5.
4 That Erasmus made such a protest or that he had explicitly promised to include the Comma is an overstatement of the evidence, though the converse of this can be said to be true: Erasmus refused to put this in his without Greek manuscript support.
5 Thus, TR-KJV advocates subconsciously embrace two diametrically opposed traditions: when it comes to the first 1500 years of church history, they hold to a Bultmannian kind of Christianity (viz., the basis for their belief in the superiority of the Byzantine manuscripts-and in particular, the half dozen that stand behind the TR-has very little empirical substance of historical worth). Once such readings became a part of tradition, however, by way of the TR, the argument shifts to one of tradition rather than non-empirical fideism. Neither basis, of course, resembles Protestantism.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] THE FACT ON THE NAME "ALLAH"
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 233A]
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 – 12, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And as, Hebrews 12:23, [AV] “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,” Also, Revelation 4:2, [AV], says, “And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” But remember per 2 Peter 3:7, [AV] “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
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[2] THE FACT ON THE NAME "ALLAH"
Also, I have shown 'Allah' is a proper name for the Moon god, and the title for any god in Arabic is 'Ilah.' The title god in Arabic is 'Ilah,' and not Allah. 'Ilah' is a title; whereas, Allah is a proper name of a specific 'Ilah,' so get a dose of reality. Also, several New Testament Bibles in Arabic the title ' Ar-Rab' means "The Lord" is used.[/quote]
APPENDIX:
[1]Interestingly, here are the meanings of several important words in Arabic:
Jesus in Arabic is Yesua
Word in Arabic is Kalam
Spirit in Arabic is Ruh
God in Arabic is Ilah
The in Arabic is El
[2] Astral Religions
In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! (Islam, p. 7).
The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.
Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called "the daughters of Allah." These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.
"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Al-lah" [SOURCE - Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61].
[3] The old middle eastern Moon god who has gone by many names is still well venerated. This is shown by "The Archeology of The Middle East" which states, "The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.
Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites." [source - The Archeology of the Middle East]"[additional references - "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations" (Berta Segall, The Iconography of Cosmic Kingship, the Art Bulletin, vol.xxxviii, 1956, p.77).; Isaac Rabinowitz, Aramaic Inscriptions of the Fifth Century, JNES, XV, 1956, pp.1-9; Edward Linski, The Goddess Atirat in Ancient Arabia, in Babylon and in Ugarit: Her Relation to the Moon-god and the Sun-goddess, Orientalia Lovaniensia Periodica, 3:101-9; H.J.Drivers, Iconography and Character of the Arab Goddess Allat, found in Études Preliminaries Aux Religions Orientales Dans L'Empire Roman, ed. Maarten J. Verseren, Leiden, Brill, 1978, pp.331-51); Richard Le Baron Bower Jr. and Frank P. Albright, Archaeological Discoveries in South Arabia, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1958, p.78ff; Ray Cleveland, An Ancient South Arabian Necropolis, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1965; Nelson Gleuck, Deities and Dolphins, New York, Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, 1965).; Another Aramaic Record of the North Arabian goddess Han'Llat, JNES, XVIII, 1959, pp.154-55.[source - There is Only One True God by Iris the Preacher 2005]
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 233A]
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 – 12, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And as, Hebrews 12:23, [AV] “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,” Also, Revelation 4:2, [AV], says, “And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” But remember per 2 Peter 3:7, [AV] “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
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[2] THE FACT ON THE NAME "ALLAH"
It should not come as a surprise that the word "Allah" was not something invented by Muhammad or revealed for the first time in the Quran.
The well-known Middle East scholar H.A.R. Gibb has pointed out that the reason that Muhammad never had to explain who Allah was in the Quran is that his listeners had already heard about Allah long before Muhammad was ever born [Mohammedanism: An Historical Survey, New York: Mentor Books, 1955, p.38]
Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at Columbia University, notes:
"The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa" [Islam: Muhammad, and His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 85]
The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic. (There is an interesting discussion of the origins of Allah, in "Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies" by J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII, #2, 1972, pp. 173-190)[source - Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies by J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII, #2, 1972, pages 173-190]
Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity. Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark, states:
'"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their [Arabs'] peculiar God. '
According to the Encyclopedia of Religion:
'"Allah" is a pre-Islamic name . . . corresponding to the Babylonian Bel' [Encyclopedia of Religion, I:117 Washington DC, Corpus Pub., 1979]
For those who find it hard to believe that Allah was a pagan name for a peculiar pagan Arabian deity in pre-Islamic times, the following quotations may be helpful:
"Allah is found . . . in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" [Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643]
"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called Allah" [Encyclopedia of Islam, I:302, Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1913, Houtsma]
"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic . . . Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" [Enyclopedia of Islam, I:406, ed. Gibb]
"Ilah . . . appears in pre-Islamic poetry . . . By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to Allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" [Encyclopedia of Islam, III:1093, 1971]
"The name Allah goes back before Muhammad" [Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:41, Anthony Mercatante, New York, The Facts on File, 1983]
"The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" [Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, I:326, Hastings]
To the testimony of the above standard reference works, we add those of such scholars as Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University who has stated:
"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" [The Bible and Islam: or, The Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p. 102].
Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works are generally published by Oxford University, comments:
"The name Allah is also evident in archeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia" [The Call of the Minaret, New York: Oxford University Press, 1956, p. 31].
Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic studies at College de France, Georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:
"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god." In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment" [William Montgomery Watt, Muhammad's Mecca, p. vii. Also see his article, "Belief in a High God in Pre-Islamic Mecca", Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. 16, 1971, pp. 35-40]
Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:
"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews" [Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York, Barrons, 1987, p. 28].
According to Middle East scholar E.M. Wherry, whose translation of the Quran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Ba-al, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars [A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabruck: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p. 36].
Also, I have shown 'Allah' is a proper name for the Moon god, and the title for any god in Arabic is 'Ilah.' The title god in Arabic is 'Ilah,' and not Allah. 'Ilah' is a title; whereas, Allah is a proper name of a specific 'Ilah,' so get a dose of reality. Also, several New Testament Bibles in Arabic the title ' Ar-Rab' means "The Lord" is used.[/quote]
APPENDIX:
[1]Interestingly, here are the meanings of several important words in Arabic:
Jesus in Arabic is Yesua
Word in Arabic is Kalam
Spirit in Arabic is Ruh
God in Arabic is Ilah
The in Arabic is El
[2] Astral Religions
In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! (Islam, p. 7).
The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.
Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called "the daughters of Allah." These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.
"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Al-lah" [SOURCE - Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61].
[3] The old middle eastern Moon god who has gone by many names is still well venerated. This is shown by "The Archeology of The Middle East" which states, "The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.
Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites." [source - The Archeology of the Middle East]"[additional references - "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations" (Berta Segall, The Iconography of Cosmic Kingship, the Art Bulletin, vol.xxxviii, 1956, p.77).; Isaac Rabinowitz, Aramaic Inscriptions of the Fifth Century, JNES, XV, 1956, pp.1-9; Edward Linski, The Goddess Atirat in Ancient Arabia, in Babylon and in Ugarit: Her Relation to the Moon-god and the Sun-goddess, Orientalia Lovaniensia Periodica, 3:101-9; H.J.Drivers, Iconography and Character of the Arab Goddess Allat, found in Études Preliminaries Aux Religions Orientales Dans L'Empire Roman, ed. Maarten J. Verseren, Leiden, Brill, 1978, pp.331-51); Richard Le Baron Bower Jr. and Frank P. Albright, Archaeological Discoveries in South Arabia, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1958, p.78ff; Ray Cleveland, An Ancient South Arabian Necropolis, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1965; Nelson Gleuck, Deities and Dolphins, New York, Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, 1965).; Another Aramaic Record of the North Arabian goddess Han'Llat, JNES, XVIII, 1959, pp.154-55.[source - There is Only One True God by Iris the Preacher 2005]
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 234A]
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 – 12, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And as, Hebrews 12:23, [AV] “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,” Also, Revelation 4:2, [AV], says, “And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” But remember per 2 Peter 3:7, [AV] “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
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[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Marula bears small round shaped fruit; (green in colour when unripe) that ripens to a yellow colour and can be harvested by being collected from the ground from January to March. According to Matt Marten operations manager of MNP, an analysis of the ripe fruit in the 2004 season yielded the following results: Average weight of 19.6g, peel of 31.6 %, stone 33.7% and pulp of 34.7%. The pulp is used as a base for juices, jams, jellies, ciders and alcohol drinks. The peel of the fruit is believed to have more than 27 different kinds of flavours and contains ten newly-isolated volatile esters that may be able to be extracted for use in aromatherapy, homeopathic medicines and essential oils and the freeze dried pulp of the marula fruit can be used in a number of cosmetic applications. Other products are the marula tea and as flavourant for ice –creams, etc. The fruit pulp contains up to four times vitamin C than oranges. Even though this fruit is seasonal, it can be processed into pulp in large volumes and stored frozen for a period of over a year. [source - retrieved from http://www.marula.org.za/abfruit.htm on 4/25/2014]
Sclerocarya birrea, the marula, (Greek skl?rós, "hard", and káryon, "nut", in reference to the stone inside the fleshy fruit) is a medium-ized dioecious tree, indigenous to the miombo woodlands of Southern Africa, the Sudano-Sahelian range of West Africa, and Madagascar. The tree is a single stemmed tree with a wide spreading crown. It is characterised by a grey mottled bark. The tree grows up to 18 m tall mostly in low altitudes and open woodlands. The fruitsare used in the liqueur Amarula. The distribution of this species throughout Africa and Madagascar has followed the Bantu in their migrations, as it has been an important item in their diet since time immemorial.
The fruits which ripen between December and March have a light yellow skin, with white flesh, rich in vitamin C—about eight times the amount found in an orange—are succulent, tart with a strong and distinctive flavour.[2] Inside is a walnut-sized, thick-walled stone. These stones, when dry, expose the seeds by shedding 2 (sometimes 3) small circular plugs at one end. The seeds have a delicate nutty flavour and are much sought after, especially by small rodents who know to gnaw exactly where the plugs are located.
Relationships: Belongs to the same family Anacardiaceae as the mango, cashew, pistachio and sumac, and is closely related to the genus Poupartia from Madagascar.
Common names:
Tshivenda:mafula
English: jelly plum, cat thorn, morula, cider tree, marula, maroola nut/plum
Afrikaans: Maroela[3]
Bambara: nkuna, nkuntan
Portuguese (Mozambique): canhoeiro
Hausa: dania
Sotho: Morula[3]
Swahili: mng'ongo
Shona: mutsomo, mukwakwa, mushomo, muganu, mupfura; [fruits] pfura; [tree] mufura, mafuna, marula
Tswana: Morula[3]
Northern/Southern Ndebele: iganu, ikanyi, umganu, umkano
Swazi: [fruits] emaganu, [tree] umganu
Zulu: Umganu,[3] [fruits] amaganu, [seeds, tree] umganu
Other: Boran (Kenya) – didissa ; Kamba (Kenya) – muua; Kwangali – ufuongo; Lovedu – marula; Maasai (Kenya) – ol-mangwai; Meru (Kenya) – mura; Pedi [fruits] – lerula, marula; Pedi [tree] – morula, merula; Pokot (Kenya) – oruluo; Ronga (Mozambique) – ncanhi; Sebei (Kenya) – katetalum; Shangaan – nkanyi, inkanyi; Diga (Kenya) – mngongo; Tonga: tsua, tsula, umganu; Tugen (Kenya) – tololokwo; Dinka (Sudan) – Gummel; Nuer (Sudan) – Kamel, Omel; Moru (Sudan) – Kyele; Luo (Kenya) Ong'ono.
The Marula tree is protected in South Africa.[3]
Traditional Uses
While little known globally, the fruit is traditionally used for food in Africa, and has considerable socioeconomic importance.[4]
The seed kernels are high in protein and fat, with a subtle nutty flavour, and constitute an important emergency food. Marula oil, made from the seed kernel, is a delicious additive to meals in Africa. It contains antioxidants and oleic acid. The bark is used both as treatment and a prophylaxis for malaria. An infusion of the inner bark of the marula tree may be applied toscorpion stings and snake bites to alleviate pain. The leaves are chewed on to help indigestion and to treat heartburn. Marula oil, made from the seed kernel, can be used as a type of skin care oil. Products of fruits and the tree are useful in crafts and agriculture. Gums exudates from the stem are mixed with water and soot to make ink by certain tribes in the region. The bark also yields a red-brown dye used in colouring traditional craft ware. The fruit infusion is used to bathe tick-infested livestock. The fruit is regarded as a potent insecticide
Commercial Uses
On an industrial level the fruit of the marula tree is collected from the wild by members of rural communities on whose land the trees grow. This harvest and sale of fruit only occurs during two to three months but is an important income to poor rural people. The fruit is delivered to processing plants where fruit pulp, pips, kernels and kernel oil are extracted and stored for processing throughout the year.
The most important industrial product is Amarula which is probably still the second largest selling cream liquor in the world. Mirma, based in Phalaborwa, assembles and processes 4,000 tons a year of fruit. They produce a pulp from the skin and flesh which is refrigerated and shipped to Distel in the Cape Winelands. Here it is fermented, distilled, matured, blended and bottled before being internationally distributed.
Another fruit based product is a frozen marula puree, which is produced by Bronpro in Nelspruit. Bronpro supply puree to food manufacturers who use it as an ingredient in their products. The best known of these products is Marula Mania a juice blend produced by The Ceres Beverage Company under the Liquifruit label.
The third largest marula fruit based industry, is the production of marula oil as an ingredient for cosmetics. This tends to be scattered amongst many producers although PhytoTrade Africa is probably the leading "supplier" to the cosmetics industry through its integration of the production of many producers.
Popular culture
The alcoholic distilled beverage (maroela mampoer) made from the fruit is referenced in the stories of the South African writer Herman Charles Bosman.
The marula fruit is also eaten by various animals in Southern Africa. In the movie Animals Are Beautiful People by Jamie Uys, released in 1974, some scenes portray elephants, warthogs and monkeys becoming intoxicated from eating fermented marula fruit. Later research showed that these scenes, at least in large animals were improbable and, in all probability, staged. Elephants would need a huge amount of fermented marulas to have any effect on them, and other animals prefer the ripe fruit. The amount of water drunk by elephants each day would also dilute the effect of the fruit to such an extent that they would not be affected by it.[5] Reports of elephants becoming intoxicated from marula fruit, however, are persistent.[6]
References
1. Jump up^ "Entry for Sclerocarya birrea". JSTOR Global Plants. JSTOR. Retrieved 2014-01-12.
2. Jump up^ Wickens, G. E.; Food and Agriculture Organization (1995). "Potential Edible Nuts". Edible Nuts. Non-Wood Forest Products 5. Rome: Food and Agriculture Organization. ISBN 92-5-103748-5. OCLC 34529770. Retrieved 2008-11-10.
3. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e "Protected Trees". Department of Water Affairs and Forestry, Republic of South Africa. 3 May 2013.
4. Jump up^ National Research Council (2008-01-25). "Marula". Lost Crops of Africa: Volume III: Fruits. Lost Crops of Africa 3. Washington, D.C.: National Academies Press.ISBN 978-0-309-10596-5. OCLC 34344933. Retrieved 2008-07-17.
5. Jump up^ Morris, Steve; David Humphreys and Dan Reynolds (2006). "Myth, marula, and elephant: an assessment of voluntary ethanol intoxication of the African elephant (Loxodonta africana) following feeding on the fruit of the marula tree (Sclerocarya birrea)". Physiological and Biochemical Zoology 79 (2): 363–9. doi:10.1086/499983.PMID 16555195. Retrieved 2012-07-30.
6. Jump up^ Couper, Ross. "Elephants drunk on native fruit at South Africa's Singita Sabi Sand". Retrieved 25 April 2014. [source - retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclerocarya_birrea on 4/25/2014]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 – 12, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And as, Hebrews 12:23, [AV] “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,” Also, Revelation 4:2, [AV], says, “And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” But remember per 2 Peter 3:7, [AV] “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
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[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Marula bears small round shaped fruit; (green in colour when unripe) that ripens to a yellow colour and can be harvested by being collected from the ground from January to March. According to Matt Marten operations manager of MNP, an analysis of the ripe fruit in the 2004 season yielded the following results: Average weight of 19.6g, peel of 31.6 %, stone 33.7% and pulp of 34.7%. The pulp is used as a base for juices, jams, jellies, ciders and alcohol drinks. The peel of the fruit is believed to have more than 27 different kinds of flavours and contains ten newly-isolated volatile esters that may be able to be extracted for use in aromatherapy, homeopathic medicines and essential oils and the freeze dried pulp of the marula fruit can be used in a number of cosmetic applications. Other products are the marula tea and as flavourant for ice –creams, etc. The fruit pulp contains up to four times vitamin C than oranges. Even though this fruit is seasonal, it can be processed into pulp in large volumes and stored frozen for a period of over a year. [source - retrieved from http://www.marula.org.za/abfruit.htm on 4/25/2014]
Sclerocarya birrea, the marula, (Greek skl?rós, "hard", and káryon, "nut", in reference to the stone inside the fleshy fruit) is a medium-ized dioecious tree, indigenous to the miombo woodlands of Southern Africa, the Sudano-Sahelian range of West Africa, and Madagascar. The tree is a single stemmed tree with a wide spreading crown. It is characterised by a grey mottled bark. The tree grows up to 18 m tall mostly in low altitudes and open woodlands. The fruitsare used in the liqueur Amarula. The distribution of this species throughout Africa and Madagascar has followed the Bantu in their migrations, as it has been an important item in their diet since time immemorial.
The fruits which ripen between December and March have a light yellow skin, with white flesh, rich in vitamin C—about eight times the amount found in an orange—are succulent, tart with a strong and distinctive flavour.[2] Inside is a walnut-sized, thick-walled stone. These stones, when dry, expose the seeds by shedding 2 (sometimes 3) small circular plugs at one end. The seeds have a delicate nutty flavour and are much sought after, especially by small rodents who know to gnaw exactly where the plugs are located.
Relationships: Belongs to the same family Anacardiaceae as the mango, cashew, pistachio and sumac, and is closely related to the genus Poupartia from Madagascar.
Common names:
Tshivenda:mafula
English: jelly plum, cat thorn, morula, cider tree, marula, maroola nut/plum
Afrikaans: Maroela[3]
Bambara: nkuna, nkuntan
Portuguese (Mozambique): canhoeiro
Hausa: dania
Sotho: Morula[3]
Swahili: mng'ongo
Shona: mutsomo, mukwakwa, mushomo, muganu, mupfura; [fruits] pfura; [tree] mufura, mafuna, marula
Tswana: Morula[3]
Northern/Southern Ndebele: iganu, ikanyi, umganu, umkano
Swazi: [fruits] emaganu, [tree] umganu
Zulu: Umganu,[3] [fruits] amaganu, [seeds, tree] umganu
Other: Boran (Kenya) – didissa ; Kamba (Kenya) – muua; Kwangali – ufuongo; Lovedu – marula; Maasai (Kenya) – ol-mangwai; Meru (Kenya) – mura; Pedi [fruits] – lerula, marula; Pedi [tree] – morula, merula; Pokot (Kenya) – oruluo; Ronga (Mozambique) – ncanhi; Sebei (Kenya) – katetalum; Shangaan – nkanyi, inkanyi; Diga (Kenya) – mngongo; Tonga: tsua, tsula, umganu; Tugen (Kenya) – tololokwo; Dinka (Sudan) – Gummel; Nuer (Sudan) – Kamel, Omel; Moru (Sudan) – Kyele; Luo (Kenya) Ong'ono.
The Marula tree is protected in South Africa.[3]
Traditional Uses
While little known globally, the fruit is traditionally used for food in Africa, and has considerable socioeconomic importance.[4]
The seed kernels are high in protein and fat, with a subtle nutty flavour, and constitute an important emergency food. Marula oil, made from the seed kernel, is a delicious additive to meals in Africa. It contains antioxidants and oleic acid. The bark is used both as treatment and a prophylaxis for malaria. An infusion of the inner bark of the marula tree may be applied toscorpion stings and snake bites to alleviate pain. The leaves are chewed on to help indigestion and to treat heartburn. Marula oil, made from the seed kernel, can be used as a type of skin care oil. Products of fruits and the tree are useful in crafts and agriculture. Gums exudates from the stem are mixed with water and soot to make ink by certain tribes in the region. The bark also yields a red-brown dye used in colouring traditional craft ware. The fruit infusion is used to bathe tick-infested livestock. The fruit is regarded as a potent insecticide
Commercial Uses
On an industrial level the fruit of the marula tree is collected from the wild by members of rural communities on whose land the trees grow. This harvest and sale of fruit only occurs during two to three months but is an important income to poor rural people. The fruit is delivered to processing plants where fruit pulp, pips, kernels and kernel oil are extracted and stored for processing throughout the year.
The most important industrial product is Amarula which is probably still the second largest selling cream liquor in the world. Mirma, based in Phalaborwa, assembles and processes 4,000 tons a year of fruit. They produce a pulp from the skin and flesh which is refrigerated and shipped to Distel in the Cape Winelands. Here it is fermented, distilled, matured, blended and bottled before being internationally distributed.
Another fruit based product is a frozen marula puree, which is produced by Bronpro in Nelspruit. Bronpro supply puree to food manufacturers who use it as an ingredient in their products. The best known of these products is Marula Mania a juice blend produced by The Ceres Beverage Company under the Liquifruit label.
The third largest marula fruit based industry, is the production of marula oil as an ingredient for cosmetics. This tends to be scattered amongst many producers although PhytoTrade Africa is probably the leading "supplier" to the cosmetics industry through its integration of the production of many producers.
Popular culture
The alcoholic distilled beverage (maroela mampoer) made from the fruit is referenced in the stories of the South African writer Herman Charles Bosman.
The marula fruit is also eaten by various animals in Southern Africa. In the movie Animals Are Beautiful People by Jamie Uys, released in 1974, some scenes portray elephants, warthogs and monkeys becoming intoxicated from eating fermented marula fruit. Later research showed that these scenes, at least in large animals were improbable and, in all probability, staged. Elephants would need a huge amount of fermented marulas to have any effect on them, and other animals prefer the ripe fruit. The amount of water drunk by elephants each day would also dilute the effect of the fruit to such an extent that they would not be affected by it.[5] Reports of elephants becoming intoxicated from marula fruit, however, are persistent.[6]
References
1. Jump up^ "Entry for Sclerocarya birrea". JSTOR Global Plants. JSTOR. Retrieved 2014-01-12.
2. Jump up^ Wickens, G. E.; Food and Agriculture Organization (1995). "Potential Edible Nuts". Edible Nuts. Non-Wood Forest Products 5. Rome: Food and Agriculture Organization. ISBN 92-5-103748-5. OCLC 34529770. Retrieved 2008-11-10.
3. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e "Protected Trees". Department of Water Affairs and Forestry, Republic of South Africa. 3 May 2013.
4. Jump up^ National Research Council (2008-01-25). "Marula". Lost Crops of Africa: Volume III: Fruits. Lost Crops of Africa 3. Washington, D.C.: National Academies Press.ISBN 978-0-309-10596-5. OCLC 34344933. Retrieved 2008-07-17.
5. Jump up^ Morris, Steve; David Humphreys and Dan Reynolds (2006). "Myth, marula, and elephant: an assessment of voluntary ethanol intoxication of the African elephant (Loxodonta africana) following feeding on the fruit of the marula tree (Sclerocarya birrea)". Physiological and Biochemical Zoology 79 (2): 363–9. doi:10.1086/499983.PMID 16555195. Retrieved 2012-07-30.
6. Jump up^ Couper, Ross. "Elephants drunk on native fruit at South Africa's Singita Sabi Sand". Retrieved 25 April 2014. [source - retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclerocarya_birrea on 4/25/2014]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] DISCOURSE ON MARY [MOTHER OF JESUS] AND MIRIAM [SISTER OF MOSES]:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 236A]
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Romans 11:33, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) judgments are just per Romans 2:2 – 4, [AV] “But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?” Yes, Romans 3:29 – 24, [AV] “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”
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[2] DISCOURSE ON MARY [MOTHER OF JESUS] AND MIRIAM [SISTER OF MOSES]:
INTRODUCTION:
It is interesting to note that both the name Mary and the name Miriam are actually the same name in two different languages. According to the Wikipedia, <<" According to the New Testament, Mary (Judeo-Aramaic ???? Maryam "Bitter"; Septuagint Greek ?a??aµ, Mariam, ?a??a, Maria; Assyrian: Mat Maryam), was the mother of Jesus of Nazareth and at the time of his conception was the betrothed wife of Joseph.">> [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]. Matthew 1:18-20 says, "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and Luke 1:35, says, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." (AV); and the Quran at Sura 3:47, says, "She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is." (Bible knockoff the Quran as translated into English by M.H. Shakir and published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc.).
In the Bible there are two important Mary's or Miriam's mentioned. The first is Miriam (Mary) the sister of Moses (Mosche) mentioned often in the Torah, and the second is Mary (Miriam) Mother of Jesus (Yeshua), previously mentioned.
We will now deal with these two important Bible women on a timeline basis.
MIRIAM (MARY) SISTER OF MOSES (MOSCHE):
Miriam (Mary) sister of Moses (Mosche) lived around 1,500 BCE and is often mentioned in the Bible, especially in the five books of the Torah - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. . Miriam (Mary), was the daughter of Amram and his wife Jochebed, both of the tribe of Levi; sister of Moses and Aaron, per Numbers 26:59, "And the name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom her mother bare to Levi in Egypt: and she bare unto Amram Aaron and Moses, and Miriam their sister.
Though not specifically named in the account, she was undoubtedly the one termed "his sister" who watched to see what would become of the infant Moses as he lay in an ark placed among the reeds of the river Nile per Exodus 2:3-4, "And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river's brink. 4 And his sister stood afar off, to wit what would be done to him." (AV). And Exodus 2:5-10, gives an account of what happened to the babe, Moses (Mosche), "And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash herself at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river's side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it. 6 And when she had opened it, she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews' children. 7 Then said his sister to Pharaoh's daughter, Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee? 8 And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maid went and called the child's mother. 9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it. 10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water." (AV).
Later in her life, in her position as prophetess, "Miriam (Mary) the prophetess" led the women of Israel in joyful tambourine playing and in dancing. Responding to the song led by Moses, Miriam sang: "Sing to Jehovah, for he has become highly exalted. The horse and its rider he has pitched into the sea." This was recorded at Exodus 15:1 and 20-21, "Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea." And, "And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
21 And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea." (AV).
MARY (MIRIAM) MOTHER OF JESUS (YESHUA) , THE SON OF GOD (YHWH):
Mary (Miriam), the mother of our savior Jesus (Yeshua) lived in the First Century of our Common Era approximately 1,500 years after the sister of Moses (Mosche), Miriam (Mary). She was the daughter of Heli, though the genealogy given by Luke lists Mary's husband Joseph as the "son of Heli." Says M'Clintock and Strong's Cyclopaedia (1881, Vol. III, p. 774): "In constructing their genealogical tables, it is well known that the Jews reckoned wholly by males, rejecting, where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter herself, and counting that daughter's husband for the son of the maternal grandfather (Numb. ?Nu ?xxvi, 33; xxvii, 4-7)." [source - M'Clintock and Strong's Cyclopaedia, Vol. III, page 774, 1881]. It is undoubtedly for this reason the historian Luke says that Joseph was the "son of Heli." At Luke 3:23, "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli," (AV).
Mary was of the tribe of Judah and a descendant of David. Hence it could be said of her son Jesus that he "sprang from the seed of David according to the flesh." Per Romans 1:3-4, "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:" (AV). Thus, Through his adoptive father Joseph, a descendant of David, Jesus had a legal right to David's throne, and through his mother, as the "offspring," "seed," and "root" of David, he held the natural hereditary right to "the throne of David his father."; "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." (AV).
Now, If tradition is correct, Heli's wife, the mother of Mary, was Anna, whose sister had a daughter named Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptizer. This tradition would make Elizabeth the cousin of Mary. That Mary was related to Elizabeth, who was "from the daughters of Aaron" of the tribe of Levi, the Scriptures themselves state, as shown by Luke 1:5 & 36, "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth." And "And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren." (AV).
MARY'S (MIRIAM'S) VISIT BY THE ANGEL GABRIEL:
About the end of 3 B.C.E., the angel Gabriel was sent by God to the virgin girl Mary in the town of Nazareth. What then took place as recorded at Luke 1:26-35, "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." (AV).
MARY'S (MIRIAM'S) GIVES BIRTH TO JESUS (YESHUA) THE SON OF GOD (YHWH):
Now, when it came to Joseph's notice (likely through disclosure of the matter to him by Mary) that she was pregnant, he intended to divorce her secretly rather than expose her to public shame. But did not per Matthew 1:18-25, "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." (AV).
As this drama continued to unfold, the decree of Caesar Augustus, compelling everyone to register in the town of his origin, proved providential in its timing, for the prophecy concerning Jesus' birthplace had to be fulfilled per Micah 5:2, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." (AV). Now, Joseph took Mary, who was "heavy with child," on the strenuous journey of about 150 km (93 mi) from their home in Nazareth in the N to Bethlehem in the S. Because there was no place for them in the lodging room, the birth of the child took place under most humble conditions, with the newborn babe being laid in a manger. This occurred probably about October 1 of the year 2 B.C.E.
MANY MISCONCEPTIONS WITH RESPECT TO MARY (MARIAM) HELD BY VARIOUS RELIGIONS & CONCLUSION:
Let's briefly look at some misconceptions held with respect to Mary (Mariam) as shown by the titles given to her. "Mary's most common titles include The Blessed Virgin Mary or Our Lady (Notre Dame, Nuestra Señora, Madonna). The Orthodox Church refers frequently to Mary as Theotokos, a title recognized at the Third Ecumenical Council held at Ephesus in 431. Theotokos is often translated into English as the Mother of God or more literally as Godbearer or Birthgiver of God. The theological significance of the title is to emphasize that Mary's son, Jesus, is fully God, as well as fully human, and that Jesus' two natures (divine and human) were united in a single Person of the Trinity." [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia].
Of course, the Bible, the word of God (YHWH) assigns none of these titles to her so all are usurps of God's (YHWH's) right to assign titles. No wonder so many are confused as to just who Mary (Miriam) really is. We should NOT go beyond what the Bible whose author is God (YHWH) says, but certain churches, most notably the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox Church (eastern church) do.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 236A]
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Romans 11:33, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) judgments are just per Romans 2:2 – 4, [AV] “But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?” Yes, Romans 3:29 – 24, [AV] “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”
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[2] DISCOURSE ON MARY [MOTHER OF JESUS] AND MIRIAM [SISTER OF MOSES]:
INTRODUCTION:
It is interesting to note that both the name Mary and the name Miriam are actually the same name in two different languages. According to the Wikipedia, <<" According to the New Testament, Mary (Judeo-Aramaic ???? Maryam "Bitter"; Septuagint Greek ?a??aµ, Mariam, ?a??a, Maria; Assyrian: Mat Maryam), was the mother of Jesus of Nazareth and at the time of his conception was the betrothed wife of Joseph.">> [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]. Matthew 1:18-20 says, "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and Luke 1:35, says, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." (AV); and the Quran at Sura 3:47, says, "She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is." (Bible knockoff the Quran as translated into English by M.H. Shakir and published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc.).
In the Bible there are two important Mary's or Miriam's mentioned. The first is Miriam (Mary) the sister of Moses (Mosche) mentioned often in the Torah, and the second is Mary (Miriam) Mother of Jesus (Yeshua), previously mentioned.
We will now deal with these two important Bible women on a timeline basis.
MIRIAM (MARY) SISTER OF MOSES (MOSCHE):
Miriam (Mary) sister of Moses (Mosche) lived around 1,500 BCE and is often mentioned in the Bible, especially in the five books of the Torah - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. . Miriam (Mary), was the daughter of Amram and his wife Jochebed, both of the tribe of Levi; sister of Moses and Aaron, per Numbers 26:59, "And the name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom her mother bare to Levi in Egypt: and she bare unto Amram Aaron and Moses, and Miriam their sister.
Though not specifically named in the account, she was undoubtedly the one termed "his sister" who watched to see what would become of the infant Moses as he lay in an ark placed among the reeds of the river Nile per Exodus 2:3-4, "And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river's brink. 4 And his sister stood afar off, to wit what would be done to him." (AV). And Exodus 2:5-10, gives an account of what happened to the babe, Moses (Mosche), "And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash herself at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river's side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it. 6 And when she had opened it, she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews' children. 7 Then said his sister to Pharaoh's daughter, Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee? 8 And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maid went and called the child's mother. 9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it. 10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water." (AV).
Later in her life, in her position as prophetess, "Miriam (Mary) the prophetess" led the women of Israel in joyful tambourine playing and in dancing. Responding to the song led by Moses, Miriam sang: "Sing to Jehovah, for he has become highly exalted. The horse and its rider he has pitched into the sea." This was recorded at Exodus 15:1 and 20-21, "Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea." And, "And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
21 And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea." (AV).
MARY (MIRIAM) MOTHER OF JESUS (YESHUA) , THE SON OF GOD (YHWH):
Mary (Miriam), the mother of our savior Jesus (Yeshua) lived in the First Century of our Common Era approximately 1,500 years after the sister of Moses (Mosche), Miriam (Mary). She was the daughter of Heli, though the genealogy given by Luke lists Mary's husband Joseph as the "son of Heli." Says M'Clintock and Strong's Cyclopaedia (1881, Vol. III, p. 774): "In constructing their genealogical tables, it is well known that the Jews reckoned wholly by males, rejecting, where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter herself, and counting that daughter's husband for the son of the maternal grandfather (Numb. ?Nu ?xxvi, 33; xxvii, 4-7)." [source - M'Clintock and Strong's Cyclopaedia, Vol. III, page 774, 1881]. It is undoubtedly for this reason the historian Luke says that Joseph was the "son of Heli." At Luke 3:23, "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli," (AV).
Mary was of the tribe of Judah and a descendant of David. Hence it could be said of her son Jesus that he "sprang from the seed of David according to the flesh." Per Romans 1:3-4, "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:" (AV). Thus, Through his adoptive father Joseph, a descendant of David, Jesus had a legal right to David's throne, and through his mother, as the "offspring," "seed," and "root" of David, he held the natural hereditary right to "the throne of David his father."; "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ." (AV).
Now, If tradition is correct, Heli's wife, the mother of Mary, was Anna, whose sister had a daughter named Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptizer. This tradition would make Elizabeth the cousin of Mary. That Mary was related to Elizabeth, who was "from the daughters of Aaron" of the tribe of Levi, the Scriptures themselves state, as shown by Luke 1:5 & 36, "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth." And "And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren." (AV).
MARY'S (MIRIAM'S) VISIT BY THE ANGEL GABRIEL:
About the end of 3 B.C.E., the angel Gabriel was sent by God to the virgin girl Mary in the town of Nazareth. What then took place as recorded at Luke 1:26-35, "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." (AV).
MARY'S (MIRIAM'S) GIVES BIRTH TO JESUS (YESHUA) THE SON OF GOD (YHWH):
Now, when it came to Joseph's notice (likely through disclosure of the matter to him by Mary) that she was pregnant, he intended to divorce her secretly rather than expose her to public shame. But did not per Matthew 1:18-25, "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." (AV).
As this drama continued to unfold, the decree of Caesar Augustus, compelling everyone to register in the town of his origin, proved providential in its timing, for the prophecy concerning Jesus' birthplace had to be fulfilled per Micah 5:2, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." (AV). Now, Joseph took Mary, who was "heavy with child," on the strenuous journey of about 150 km (93 mi) from their home in Nazareth in the N to Bethlehem in the S. Because there was no place for them in the lodging room, the birth of the child took place under most humble conditions, with the newborn babe being laid in a manger. This occurred probably about October 1 of the year 2 B.C.E.
MANY MISCONCEPTIONS WITH RESPECT TO MARY (MARIAM) HELD BY VARIOUS RELIGIONS & CONCLUSION:
Let's briefly look at some misconceptions held with respect to Mary (Mariam) as shown by the titles given to her. "Mary's most common titles include The Blessed Virgin Mary or Our Lady (Notre Dame, Nuestra Señora, Madonna). The Orthodox Church refers frequently to Mary as Theotokos, a title recognized at the Third Ecumenical Council held at Ephesus in 431. Theotokos is often translated into English as the Mother of God or more literally as Godbearer or Birthgiver of God. The theological significance of the title is to emphasize that Mary's son, Jesus, is fully God, as well as fully human, and that Jesus' two natures (divine and human) were united in a single Person of the Trinity." [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia].
Of course, the Bible, the word of God (YHWH) assigns none of these titles to her so all are usurps of God's (YHWH's) right to assign titles. No wonder so many are confused as to just who Mary (Miriam) really is. We should NOT go beyond what the Bible whose author is God (YHWH) says, but certain churches, most notably the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox Church (eastern church) do.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S) THROUGH THE AGES ALWAYS REACT IN INSANELY IRRATIONAL WAYS
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 237A]
For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55:10 – 11, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This is also testified to at Psalms 65:9, [AV] “Thou visitest the earth, and waterest it: thou greatly enrichest it with the river of God, which is full of water: thou preparest them corn, when thou hast so provided for it.” We should be thankful to Almighty God (YHWH) per 2 Corinthians 9:10 – 11, [AV] “Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;) 11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.” And all the Creator says will come to pass as shown by Joshua 23:14, [AV] “And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.”
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[2] WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S) THROUGH THE AGES ALWAYS REACT IN INSANELY IRRATIONAL WAYS:
INTRODUCTION:
Since 1 Kings 18:25-29, "And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under. 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
Now days the worshippers of the old middle eastern Moon god, "Allah/Hubal al'iah/Baal," now days want cartoonist put to death for drawing a cartoon they do not like. Let's look at the facts.
THE CURRENT WORLD:
Which world are we living in that people get killed, embassies bombed, riots the world over for the cartoon on the right hand side? Let's look at the writing of another on the subject.
THE DISTORTION OF REALITY AND COMMON SENSE BY WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GODS:
Here in their own words of one Muslim URL.
CONCLUSION:
Now as can be clearly seen worship of false god(s); to wit, the old middle eastern Moon god, "Allah/Hubal al'iah/Baal," have not changed in three thousand years. Whereas, the worshipers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham do not act insanely irrational over trivia's. In fact Islam is even warring on itself as shown by the following:
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 237A]
For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55:10 – 11, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This is also testified to at Psalms 65:9, [AV] “Thou visitest the earth, and waterest it: thou greatly enrichest it with the river of God, which is full of water: thou preparest them corn, when thou hast so provided for it.” We should be thankful to Almighty God (YHWH) per 2 Corinthians 9:10 – 11, [AV] “Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;) 11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.” And all the Creator says will come to pass as shown by Joshua 23:14, [AV] “And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.”
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[2] WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S) THROUGH THE AGES ALWAYS REACT IN INSANELY IRRATIONAL WAYS:
INTRODUCTION:
Since 1 Kings 18:25-29, "And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under. 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
Now days the worshippers of the old middle eastern Moon god, "Allah/Hubal al'iah/Baal," now days want cartoonist put to death for drawing a cartoon they do not like. Let's look at the facts.
THE CURRENT WORLD:
Which world are we living in that people get killed, embassies bombed, riots the world over for the cartoon on the right hand side? Let's look at the writing of another on the subject.
I have to say in all seriousness the more I read the views of Muslims protesting cartoons the more shocked I become, of all the nonsense being perpetrated on the world by Muslims, there has not been one organized protest against the suicide bombings outside of the west, [Muslims miss the point entirely - just because your feelings get hurt by (and let me emphasize this) INK ON PAPER doesn't mean you get to ban free speech, this contradicts any and every constitution in Europe].
If you don't like the cartoons, then change your actions so the cartoons have no point, this is the point of satire, if the satire is a lie, you can sue for libel, go through the proper channels and prove the satire false, why for the love of God don't Muslims prove the cartoons are libelous?
The reason many and I reiterate MANY find the cartoons NON OFFENSIVE, are they expose and satirize precisely what Muslims are doing in Iraq, they are bombing people, ergo prophet is drawn with a bomb.
If this weren't true, then the cartoons would miss the mark.
Besides, these cartoons were already published in September, 2005 in Denmark - and a few weeks later IN EGYPT (which we all know is a Muslim nation) and there were no riots.
The riots started when a frustrated Danish imam who wants to prove how important he is called his friends and began circulating the cartoons - plus new ones that THEY added. Their additions also "defamed" Mohammed - even though one is already proven to be of a guy at a *** contest in France- NOTHING to do with Mohammed at all, except in the mind of the imams-- which means that THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DEFAMING MOHAMMED.[source - an anonymous author]
THE DISTORTION OF REALITY AND COMMON SENSE BY WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GODS:
Here in their own words of one Muslim URL.
Asslam-o-alaikum!!! (Muslims). On the behalf of Muslim Ummah, We ********.com staff, strongly condemns the publishing of blasphemous sketches of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) in Danish, Norwegian, Italian and French newspapers. It is the supreme responsibility of every Muslim to respect for the sanctity and dignity of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w); and who so ever pass derogatory remarks against Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w); IS LIABLE TO DEATH. We record our statement to the concerned Governments that they SHOULD MAKE THOSE CULPRITS SENTENCE TO DEATH. Moreover we strongly appeal from the Muslim Ummah to boycott socially and economically from such affiliated countries.
CONCLUSION:
Now as can be clearly seen worship of false god(s); to wit, the old middle eastern Moon god, "Allah/Hubal al'iah/Baal," have not changed in three thousand years. Whereas, the worshipers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham do not act insanely irrational over trivia's. In fact Islam is even warring on itself as shown by the following:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Sunnis and Shiites traded bombings and mortar fire against mainly religious targets in Baghdad well into the night Tuesday, killing at least 68 people a day after authorities lifted a curfew that had briefly calmed a series of sectarian reprisal attacks. At least six of Tuesday's attacks hit clearly religious targets, concluding with a car bombing after sundown at the Shiite Abdel Hadi Chalabi mosque in the Hurriyah neighborhood that killed 23 and wounded 55. [source - Associated Press on 02/28/2006 AP - at 5:00 pm]
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] ISLAMIC INJUSTICE/DISCRIMINATION - THE SHARIAH
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 238A]
Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Hebrews 5:11 – 13, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Indeed somethings are difficult to comprehend, but as 2 Peter 3:16 – 18, [AV] says, “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” It is imperative that we seek to learn more about Almighty God (YHWH) and his purpose for mankind as shown by Hebrews 6:11, [AV] “Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,” We must grow up in the faith per 1 Corinthians 13:10 – 11, [AV] “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
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[2] ISLAMIC INJUSTICE/DISCRIMINATION - THE SHARIAH
INTRODUCTION:
Originally I intended to write a short article showing the discrepancies and injustices of Shariah Law. However upon researching the subject I readily learned the evil outcomes were much worse than how I knew it as a child, and after receiving denials from Muslims (Sunni, I believe) to something I said with regard to the injustice of this law in the reporter Jill Carroll situation. Then, I realized much more was required to expose this horrible unjust law, so you will find in this article whom to contact to protest in some situations an and organization trying to rectify unjust situations, Amnesty International, INTERNATIONAL SECRETARIAT, Telephone +44-20-74135500, Fax number +44-20-79561157, 1 Easton Street, London WC1X 0DW, UK, www.amnesty.org.
To start off, here are some short news items of 2006 on the unbelievable case of Jill Carroll a kidnapped victim actually slated to be tried under Shariah Law.
Situation Information and Facts on Shariah Which Are Pertinent:
Situation Facts:
[1] Quote:
Boudai said Al-Rai had received a message from "sources close to the kidnappers." He said the message was not conveyed in a videotape, but "another method." He declined to how it was received and whether the message was delivered to Al-Rai's head office in Kuwait or its bureau in Baghdad - where Thursday's video of Carroll was received.
"Sources close to the kidnappers informed Al-Rai TV that the kidnappers have set a Feb. 26 deadline for their demands to be met or they will execute her according to Shariah," he said, referring to Islamic law. [source - Associated Press 02/102006]
[2] Quote:
People close to the kidnappers told the private TV channel earlier Friday that Carroll is "in a safe house owned by one of the kidnappers in downtown Baghdad with a group of women," Jassem Boudai told The Associated Press.
[3] Quote:
Kuwait TV: Carroll Kidnappers Set Deadline
KUWAIT CITY - The Iraqi kidnappers of American journalist Jill Carroll have set a Feb. 26 deadline for their demands to be met or they will kill her, the owner of Kuwait's Al-Rai television said Friday. People close to the kidnappers told the private TV channel earlier Friday that Carroll is "in a safe house owned by one of the kidnappers in downtown Baghdad with a group of women," Jassem Boudai told The Associated Press. [source - Associated Press on 02/10/2006]
As I previously said, the denials and sidestepping of obvious facts by some Muslims (Sunni, I believe) I spoke with just made me realize I was only seeing the tip of an iceberg. They threw up arguments that I had NOT provided sufficient facts, resorted to calling females half witnesses, of they are terrorist, etc. Just trying to rationalize the none rational injustice of the situation and Shariah Law.
Now most of the remainder of this article or should I say white paper will consist of short quotes on news items respect the unloving and injustice outcomes of Shariah Law or sometimes known as Hudood laws, and how they are not only unjust but designed to suppress women's rights. But first, some items of deficiencies and lack of love to look for when reading the news accounts.
DEFICINCIES AND LACK OF LOVE TO LOOK FOR IN NEWS ACCOUNTS:
[1] Only Islamic males can serve as a judge in a Shariah trial.
[2] Islamic authorities can issue a general FATAH which is especially efficient in rectifying situations in Islamic countries such as Iraq.
[3] Shariah Law does NOT have an effective appeal process; therefore, according to the greatest authority on law, Blackstone, any law without an effective appeal process is BAD LAW.
[4] Shariah Law does NOT provide for a trial by jury.
[5] Shariah law considers women only half human. How so? We all know that a witness is, i.e., someone who has personal knowledge of something that has happened; however, under Shariah Law, if this person happens to be a women, her testimony is only counted as one/half as valid as a man.
However, as I told one of the deniers, "There is no such thing in reality as a half witness; either one has seen, witnesses, something or he/she has not. Calling someone a half witness is an outright untruth and discrimination not only against the person so called, but against reality and truth. Wake up to the facts."
Here is a quote on the subject, "At trial, the judge questioned the defendant about the claim made against him. If the defendant denied the claim, the judge then asked the accuser, who had the burden of proof, to present his evidence. Evidence almost always took the form of the direct testimony of two male witnesses of good character (four in adultery cases). Circumstantial evidence and documents were usually inadmissible. Female witnesses were not allowed except in cases where they held special knowledge, such as childbirth. In such cases, two female witnesses were needed for every male witness. After the accuser finished with his witnesses, the defendant could present his own." [source - The Origins of Islamic Law by CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOUNDATION ]
My comment, "I clearly listed the injustice, a women being treated 2 nd. Rate to a man. There is no excuse for this at any time and/or place. And I know of what I speak as I personally experienced it. Now are you denying and/or sidestepping what I said with respect to the discriminated against females with regard to our testimony not being equal to that of a male which of course is both stupid and unjust and/or are you disputing the findings of Dr. David A. Kolb. Who in his research found no difference with respect the reliability and memory of women that would in any way disqualify them from making good witnesses."
[6] Shariah Law makes it illegal for a women to ride in a taxi or other public conveyance without a male member of her family; this is the ultimate suppression.
[7] Shariah Law as applied in some areas even condones raping a women if she is not covering her face or wearing a headscarf, and sentences women to death for killing their attacker, the rapist. I know this sounds unbelievable, but believe me it is true as you will see.
ACTUAL TWO WAY DISCUSSION WITH MUSLIMS [Sunni, I believe] ON FAILURE OF ISLAMIC AUTORITY IN IRAQ:
Now let's consider what the Islamic authorities in Iraq should have done immediately in this case and HAVE NOT DONE as of this date.
They should have issued a general FATWA (ÝÊæì) against the kidnappers of Jill Carroll and their accomplices before and after the fact which removed all rights of Islam from them, to use a Catholic term, excommunicated them. Now one may ask what would that accomplish.
First, the criminals would NOT be able to hold a Shariah since as per fact [1] Iin previous section 'only Islamic males can serve as a judge in a Shariah trial, and they would no longer be such.
Second, it would have brought tremendous pressure on the perverted criminals since as we all know Iraq is a Islamic country.
And here is an actual question I put to the deniers.
"Now do you agree or disagree that per Hadity, only members of Islam can serve as judges in Sharia cases? Let me hear your answer!" PS: this case really has me ticked off.
The denier's reply, "Only Muslims can serve as judges in Islamic Sharia Cases. What exactly does that prove?"
Well let's fact it, I have already shown the significance of this. Now on to the actual news cases in brief.
ACTUAL NEWS EVENTS - YOU BE THE JUDGE [IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER]:
KANO, Nigeria (Reuters) - A court in the northern Nigerian city of Kano has fined 45 motorcycle taxi riders for transporting women, in violation of a new rule to comply with Islamic Sharia law, a court official said on Friday. The ban on women passengers, brought in last year to make Kano state traffic laws compatible with Sharia, has caused controversy in the city, which is predominantly Muslim but has a sizable Christian community. Hisbah committees, or volunteers who help uphold Sharia, have clashed with motorcycle taxi riders caught with women passengers. Women are supposed to ride in special motorised...
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Sudan: Criticising Islam & death threat over a woman
On September 26th members of Islamic government of Sudan issued a fatwa on best-selling author Kola Boof, a Sudanese woman's writer who lives in California. The details of the fatwa: Kola Boof has been found guilty of "Blasphemy and Treason" Ms. Boof is to be beheaded. The matter was ratified by the following: Hassan Turabi (National Islamic Front), Ali Muhammad Taha (NIF), Sharif al-Tuhami (NIF) Tanzim Wasti (London's Sudan Committee), Saad Faqih and Mohammed Sobieh.
Kola Boof points out that she has not been Muslim since around 10 and that the men issuing the fatwa are not qualified to do so. Ms. Boof states that she has been receiving "death messages" and warnings to "shut up" from Sudanese government officials by telephone since February 2002. Leader of the NIF, Hassan Turabi, under house arrest by Khartoum Regime has been especially threatening Boof.
A diplomat from Sudan's government, Gamal Ibrahaim, wrote a scathing article about Kola Boof in London's largest daily Arabic newspaper, "Al-Sharq al- Awsat in which he basically called Kola Boof, "a blasphemer of Islam" "mentally unstable"..."a prostitute" and "a liar".
Kola says that after nearly a year of constant intimidation tricks, death threats and an attempt on her life, they should not only drop the fatwa but do it publicly, so that she could believe it. [source - http://www.secularislam.org/women/bulletin8.htm#Pakistan]
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Nosrat Abouii, a woman who was stoned in Yazd prison managed to escape while she was being stoned but was arrested immediately by the government and put in jail.
According to Islamic Sharia, women are buried up to their armpits for stoning, while men are buried up to their waist. Earlier, on September 25, Goli Nik-Khou was stoned to death after serving her 15 -year sentence in the town of Naqadeh, western Iran.
At the moment there are four women - Ferdows, Ashraf, Sima and Shahnaz - in prison waiting to be stoned to death.
[source - http://www.secularislam.org/women/bulletin8.htm#Pakistan]
And from BBC,
I have been wrestling with the rights and wrongs of attitudes expressed by Muslim spokesmen, both here in the United States and around the world, since the World Trade Center attack last year. I am not a Muslim, or an expert on Islam, but I have been trying to understand how the world looks from an "Islamic" or "Arabic" perspective. I've wanted to understand why so much public commentary by Muslim spokesmen sounds wrong to my Western ears. I've concluded that much of the Islamic world is doing a poor job of facing up to some grim realities, and doing a good job of blaming everyone else (especially the US and Israel) for their self-inflicted injuries.
So here is my message to the Islamic world. I believe you need to do the following:
1) Acknowledge that every nation of significance that has embraced Islam as the state religion, and has tried to govern according to the laws of Sharia, is a miserable failure. Egypt, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia: These are totalitarian nations that repress their own citizens every bit as savagely as did the former Soviet Union. Citizens in these countries have no freedom, no rights, and no hope for a better life. They cannot speak freely. They can be arrested, imprisoned, tortured, or killed for any reason. The governing authorities can even order mass slaughter of their own people at will (witness Syria).
Part of the reason for the abject failure of these nations is the tribal origins of their peoples. After communism, tribalism has been responsible for more slaughter and suffering than any other single cause in history. Tribal communities are, by definition, barbarian. True civilization arises only when tribal limitations are relegated to the dustbin of history.
Another reason for their failure is Islam itself. The laws of Sharia assume that the highest principle of governance is justice, not freedom. Justice, in this case, means that decisions are made by religious authorities in consonance with the teachings of the Koran. There are no checks on the power of these authorities, as their mandate is given as coming straight from God. Thus Sharia forbids the notion of rule by the people, with laws being made by the people and their elected representatives.
In contrast, Western civilization holds freedom as the highest principle of governance. Government is by the people, for the people. Laws are made by the people and their elected representatives. Western civilization, and especially American civilization, is based on the concept of preserving freedom by limiting powers through a system of checks and balances. Laws are, deliberately, man made, not taken as coming from God, although religious (Judeo-Christian) teachings are influential in guiding legislation.
The bottom line is that no successful civilization of significant size can exist without the separation of church and state. The weight of history has demonstrated this over and over again, as the utter failure of Islamic nations shows. Sharia prohibits this separation, therefore Sharia must be discarded.
[source - http://muslimpundit.blogspot.com/2002_08_01_muslimpundit_archive.html , Muslimpundit.com]
Legislation allows the Sharia court to hear any criminal case that falls under Islamic laws called the Hudood laws. These cases include rape and adultery. [source - BBC]
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An Islamic cleric in Denmark has demanded that all girls from Muslim families be circumcised. Mustafa Abdullahi Aden said: "It is good for girls to be circumcised. It is a sign that they are true Muslims." He recommended a method that involves the removal of both the clitoris and the labia. The imam said that Islamic tradition must take precedence over Danish law.
His remarks provoked a backlash among the mainstream leaders of Denmark's political parties. Main party leaders demanded that doctors inspect the girls at school, and if it is found that they have been mutilated, their parents must be prosecuted.
FGM is against the law in Denmark, although there is little that the authorities can do to stop parents sending their daughters on "holiday" to countries that where the barbarism is legal.
The Right-wing nationalist Danish People's Party demanded that girls who are found to have been genitally mutilated should be taken away from their parents, placed in foster homes, and the parents expelled from the country. But school doctors resisted the call, saying that enforced examination would simply keep the children away from school.
Danish health authorities estimate that about 3,000 girls up to the age of ten are at risk.
[Source: Newsline 15 November 2002, the National Secular Society- UK]
And - Shariah and Religious Freedom,
Faithfreedom.org ^ | 2/20/2009 | Khaled Waleed
This is how we treat the infidels in Saudi Arabia: We abuse the non-Muslims living and working in Saudi Arabia all the time, especially the Christians and the Jews. We call them grandsons of pigs and monkeys. We say this openly, everywhere, particularly in mosques. We do not respect any religions except Islam. This is the Saudi official policy: all religions other than Islam are false. Only Islam is the true religion. To accomplish this extremely bigoted notion, the Saudi state policy is to convert to Islam as many infidels as possible. So, proselytising for Islam is a major activity...
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News24 (South Africa) ^ | 27 January 2006 | News24
Islamabad - A Pakistani court has sentenced an Afghan national to amputation of his hand and foot under Islamic "Hudood law" after finding him guilty of robbery, a news report said on Friday. The daily Dawn reported that the lower court judge in the Northwestern Frontier Province (NWFP) directed that Ajab Khan's right hand from the wrist and his left foot from the ankle be chopped off as punishment for the crime. Additionally, Khan will undergo a five-year jail term and shall have to pay a fine of about $500. Khan, a resident of Afghanistan's eastern Jalalabad city, robbed a...
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Newsmax ^ | February 5, 2006 | Carl Limbacher, et al.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is warning that Western countries must increase their defense budgets in order to prevent the rise of a "global extremist Islamic empire" that could be as deadly as Hitler's Third Reich. Speaking at a global security conference in Munich on Saturday, the U.S. defense chief said that Islamic radicals "seek to take over governments from North Africa to Southeast Asia and to re-establish a caliphate they hope, one day, will include every continent. "They have designed and distributed a map where national borders are erased and replaced by a global extremist Islamic empire," he added....
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7 January 2006 -- Iran's "Etemad" newspaper reports today that an 18-year-old woman has been sentenced to death by hanging for killing a man she said was trying to rape her.
The newspaper reported that the woman, identified only as Nazanin, testified during her trial that she and her niece were out with their boyfriends when they were accosted by two men who chased away the boyfriends then tried to rape the two young women.
Nazanin admitted stabbing one of the men to prevent her and her niece from being assaulted.
Nazanin was only 17 years old at the time, but under Iranian law a boy can be executed from the age of 15 and a girl from the age of nine.
At least 81 people were executed in 2005 in Iran, which has been heavily criticized within the international community for its laws and practices on capital punishment. [source - AFP]
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Telegraph ^ | February 19 2006 | Patrick Hennessy and Melissa Kite
Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today. The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity. Islamic law is used in large parts of the Middle East, including Iran and Saudi Arabia, and is enforced by religious police. Special courts can hand down harsh punishments which can include stoning and amputation. Forty per cent...
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Mukhtaran Bibi (??????? ?????) (c. 1972 - ) is a Pakistani woman from the small and impoverished village of Meerwala, located in the rural tehsil (county) of Jatoi in the Muzaffargarh District of Pakistan. Also known as Mukhtar Mai, Mukhtiar or just Mukhtaran, she was gang-raped on the demands of tribesmen - or by some accounts, on the orders of a panchayat (tribal council) - of a local clan known as the Mastoi. The Mastoi clan reportedly had bitter disputes with Mukhtaran's clan, the Tatla.
After the conviction of her attackers, Mukhtaran became a symbol for advocates for the health and security of women in her region, attracting both national and international attention to these issues. Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf awarded Mukhtaran a financial settlement of Rs.500,000 (about US$8000) which she used to build two local schools, one for girls and another for boys. There were no schools for girls in Mukhtaran's village before this and she never had the opportunity to get an education. Some Western donors have also come forward with contributions.
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By Sharon Lapkin
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 15, 2005
In Australia this week amidst anger over an Islamic man's rape conviction and the bashing of two Aussie life savers, working-class locals erupted in a rampage of anger and brawling in some of the worst racial riots in decades. But there is more to the story than is being repeated in the American mainstream media....
Four days after he set foot in Australia, the rape spree began. And during his sexual assault trial in a New South Wales courtroom, the Pakistani man began to berate one of his tearful 14-year-old victims because she had the temerity to shake her head at his testimony.
But she had every reason to express her disgust. After taking an oath on the Qur'an, the man - known only as MSK - told the court he had committed four attacks on girls as young as 13 because they had no right to say "no." They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed: "I'm not doing anything wrong."
MSK is already serving a 22-year jail term for leading his three younger brothers in a gang rape of two other young Sydney girls in 2002. In his own defence, he argued that his cultural background, was responsible for his crimes.
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There is only one ISLAM
Worldwide Media | Ginne
Posted on 12/23/2005 12:27:03 AM PST by Oledoy
"There is only one Islam"
Quote from the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils.
In an article published in the Australian newspaper (September 6, 2005) Australian Muslims made a public announcement of the formation of an Australian Islamic Political Party, and their policy to make Shariah (Islamic) Law the law for all Australians.
Shiite Muslim Mohammed Jomahaa cuts the head of his son with a sword during the annual ritual to mark Ashoura Day in the southern Lebanese town of Nabatiyeh,.
Tuesday March 2, 2004.
Shariah Law or Islamic Law contradicts with Australian culture in that;
§ Alcohol is forbidden.
§ Honour killing of daughters, wives and mothers for "sexual mis-conduct" is permitted (this includes being raped).
§ Women are inferior to men, for example, the value of a woman's testimony is half that of a mans.
§ Muslim men can have up to four wives, with his rights divine. Punishment for leaving the religion is death.
While some believe this is only true of militant or extreme Muslims, moderate Muslims share exactly the same goals and values. For example, Islam is promoted through war; as shown in quotes from the English translation of the Holy Quran (Koran), published by Penguin Classics (1997).
1. I [Allah] shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels [Non-Muslims]. Strike off their heads; strike off the very tips of their fingers. That is because they defied Allah and His apostle. (8:12)
2. Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. Allah knows, but you know not. (2:216)
3. The true believers [Muslims] fight for the cause of Allah, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan. (4:76)
4. Believers [Muslims] make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that Allah is with the righteous. (9:123)
5. Prophet [Muhammed], make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. (9:73)
In Europe, Muslims numbers have doubled over the last 30 years and now make up more than a quarter of the population of Marseilles and 15% in Paris and Brussels. Within a decade, Muslims will form the bulk of the population in Amsterdam and Rotterdam. However, Muslim numbers will not swell purely through immigration, but also through their high birthrate. For example, the most popular boys name in Brussels over the past four years has been Mohammed. It has been predicted that by 2070 there will be a Muslim majority in Europe, first France, followed by the Netherlands, Spain and Germany. (The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005).
The Australian Federal Government is funding the expansion of Islam in Australia with multi-millions of dollars for the development of Islamic schools, while funding to State Government schools and Tertiary Institutions decreases. Currently there are 100 Islamic schools in Australia. The NSW Education Dept. publications push the Muslim cause, for example the 2004 issue of Inform featured a Muslim girl wearing a scarf. The Education Resource Guide also features a Muslim girl in Muslim uniform. However, there has not been an equal emphasis of other religious groups like Christians or Jews.
Racist rapes: Finally the truth comes out
So now we know the facts, straight from the Supreme Court, that a group of Lebanese Muslim gang rapists from south-western Sydney hunted their victims on the basis of their ethnicity and subjected them to hours of degrading, dehumanising torture. The young women, and girls as young as 14, were "sluts" and "Aussie pigs", the rapists said. So now that some of the perpetrators are in jail, will those people who cried racism and media "sensationalism" hang their heads in shame? Hardly.
The journalists, academics, legal brains and politicians who tried to claim last August that the gang rapes of south-western Sydney were just a run-of-the-mill police blotter story being beaten up by racists, scaremongers and political opportunists don't ever want to acknowledge the truth about that ugly episode in Australian history. They don't want to acknowledge the fear and tension that ran through a part of Sydney they rarely visit and can never understand.
This newspaper was the first to report the story, which had been common knowledge in police and media circles, and it has never censored the race element.
Even last week, with the conviction of two brothers for their part in the gang rape of Miss D, who was 16 when she was held at gunpoint in a Greenacre park, there were media outlets that downplayed the story and air-brushed race from it. Yet the victims have been crying out for the truth to be told. In court on Friday, one victim gave another a card on which she had written you're an Australian," the rapists told her during the five-hour attack.It's just so inconvenient of the victims to insist on telling the truth. "I looked in his eyes. I had never seen such indifference," one 18-year-old victim, codenamed Miss C, told the court, remembering one of the 14 men who called her "Aussie pig", gang raped her 25 times over a six-hour period in Bankstown and Chullora, and then turned a hose on her. "I'm going to f*** you Leb style," he said.
Fourteen gang rapists have been convicted, or pleaded guilty, thanks to the courage of seven victims who testified for days in court as their tormentors smirked nearby, the men's families threatened them and defence lawyers suggested they had enjoyed the rapes. "They're very brave, very strong and very courageous young women," said Salvation Army Major Joyce Harmer, who held the hands of many of the victims through the trials. "They knew this was something they had to do."
These were racist crimes. They were hate crimes. The rapists chose their victims on the basis of race. That fact is crucial to this story. If the perpetrators had been Anglo-Celtic Australians, the furore would have been enormous. No newspaper would have left out that fact and you can bet the guilt and shame would have been spread far and wide.
Multiculturalism serves to encourage ethnic groups to form niche communities rather than assimilating into a homogenous society. Multiculturalism will never work in Australia with Muslims as they are prohibited from friendship with non-Muslims. (4:144, 5:51). There is no integration or assimilation with Multiculturalism.
Western Countries face the first defeat in history by non-military means. Australians like Europeans, face becoming a minority in their own country by demographic change due to population flows that we seem to have little say in. Your grandchildren will suffer the consequences of an unchallenged migration program that ensures we could not in the future, challenge the implementation of Shariah law.
WHY? Once any one group (ethnic or religious) become the majority it is their culture and ideals that become the norm and eventually legislated, which is called a DEMOCRACY. It is their voting majority right.
Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other?
Islam is intolerant of other religions, so much so that Christians in Nigeria, Sudan and middle eastern countries are killed for practicing their religion. Muslims are also responsible for burning down their churches. Sydney has recently seen an attack on four churches for similar reasons. (December 16, 2005) How can we tolerate such intolerance?
WHAT YOU CAN DO
Learn more and educate yourself beyond the regular channels of information such as TV / Radio and daily newspapers.
Access citizens media via personal blogs, websites, radiocasts, alternative newspapers and avoid the politically correct filters currently enforced by so many outlets today. Join groups such as;
Support legislation/groups that demand integration/assimilation of new arrivals as a mandated minimum requirement.
Learn to view common "name calling' like racist, flag waver or patriot for what it is, an attempt to shutdown informed debate when someone cannot argue further with you and reverts to slurs.
Encourage discussion on immigration, with your friends, workmates and strangers. Immigration is not a taboo subject, nor does it make you "racist".
Contact the Government, start a petition and tell others.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html
http://www.muslimsout.org/
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Iran: According to Iranian official press, since the beginning of this year, four women Ms. Shahnaz, Ms. Ferdows B and Ms. Sima and Ms. Ashraf have been sentenced to death in the most brutal form of execution according to Islamic law in Iran.
Nigeria: Amina Lawal Kurami, Fatima Usman, Ahmadu Ibrahim and Ado Baranda are now on the death Row of Islamic Sharia
We call upon all women/human rights organisations to protest against this Islamic cruel and inhuman treatment of women.
Please send your protest letters to:
Mohammad Khatami - Iran
Khatami, khatami@president.ir
iranemb@salamiran.org
Fax: +98 216 464 443
Olusegun Obasanjo, President of the Republic,
The Presidency, Federal Secretariat
Phase II, Shehu Shagari Way, Abuja; Nigeria
Fax: 234 9 523 21 36 (press office), Email: president.obasanjo@nigeriagov.org
Alhaji Sule Lamido, Minister of Foreign Affairs,
Maputo Street, Zone 3 Wuse District, Abuja, Nigeria;
Fax: 234 9 523 02 08.
Kanu Godwin Agabi, Minister of Justice, Ministry of Justice,
New Federal Secretariat complex Shehu Shagari Way, Abuja,
Federal Capital Territory, Nigeria;
Fax: 234 9 523 52 08.
Alhaji Uman Musa Yar'adua,
Governor, Office of the Military Administrator,
Katsina, Katsina State, Nigeria.
Nigerian Embassy,
173 Avenue Victor Hugo
75016 Paris
Fax: 00 33 1 47 04 47 54 or
[source - Committee to Defend Women's Rights in the Middle East Co-ordinator: Azam Kamguian.
Email: azam_kamguian@yahoo.com , Cdwrme@yahoo.co.uk/women, Tel: +44(0) 788 4040 835,
Fax: +44(0) 870 831 0204 , Web-site: www.eclipse.co.uk/women ]
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Daily Telegraph ^ | 23 Feb 2006
ANYONE who believes Islamic sharia law can co-exist with Australian law should move to a country where they feel more comfortable, Treasurer Peter Costello said today. All Australian citizens must adhere to the framework in society which maintains tolerance and protects the rights and liberties of all, he said. It is a pre-condition for citizenship of Australia. Mr Costello was giving a speech on the meaning of Australian citizenship to the Sydney Institute. "There is one law we are all expected to abide by," Mr Costello said. "It is the law enacted by the Parliament under the Australian Constitution. "If...
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www.rferl.org ^ | Saturday, 07 January 2006
Iran's "Etemad" newspaper reports today that an 18-year-old woman has been sentenced to death by hanging for killing a man she said was trying to rape her. The newspaper reported that the woman, identified only as Nazanin, testified during her trial that she and her niece were out with their boyfriends when they were accosted by two men who chased away the boyfriends then tried to rape the two young women. Nazanin admitted stabbing one of the men to prevent her and her niece from being assaulted. Nazanin was only 17 years old at the time, but under Iranian law...
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BBC ^ | 12-13-2005 | Ado Sale Kankiya
Nigerian women ignore bike ban Women say there is no public transport alternative Women in the northern Nigerian state of Kano are ignoring a ban stopping them travelling on public motorbike taxis. On Monday religious authorities began implementing the ban passed earlier this year. In accordance with Sharia law, men and women are not allowed to travel together on public transport. The women say there are not enough public transport alternatives in the state that adopted Sharia law in 2000. The BBC's Ado Sale Kankiya in the city of Kano says some 9,000 religious marshals are on the streets to...
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Recent developments
The Lahore high court ruled on 10 June 2005 that the rapists must be released. Just over two weeks later the supreme court suspended those acquittals and ruled that the men, along with six more who were acquitted at the original trial, would be retried. [1]
Also on 10 June 2005, shortly before she was scheduled to fly to London on the invitation of Amnesty International, Mukhtaran was put on Pakistan's Exit-Control List (ECL) [2], a list of people prohibited from traveling abroad, a move that prompted protest in Pakistan and around the world.
On 17 June 2005, Musharraf in a press conference in Auckland, New Zealand revealed that he had ordered the travel ban to protect Pakistan's image abroad.
Musharraf said Mukhtaran Mai was being taken to the United States by foreign non-government organisations ("NGOs") "to bad-mouth Pakistan" over the "terrible state" of the nation's women. He said NGOs are "Westernised fringe elements" which "are as bad as the Islamic extremists". [3]
On 15 June 2005, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz ordered Mukhtaran's name removed from the ECL (Mukhtaran allowed to go abroad, NA told). However, it was reported on 19 June 2005, by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, that as Mai returned from the US embassy in Islamabad, after getting her passport stamped with a US visa, it was confiscated once again, rendering her unable to travel outside the country [4].
On 29 June 2005, on his personal web site [5] Musharraf wrote that "Mukhtaran Mai is free to go wherever she pleases, meet whoever she wants and say whatever she pleases."
On 2 August 2005, the Pakistani government awarded Mukhtaran the Fatima Jinnah gold medal for bravery and courage.
On 2 November 2005, The US magazine Glamour named Mukhtaran as their Woman Of The Year. Upon her visit to the United States, President Musharraf told the Washington Post that claiming rape had become a "moneymaking concern" in Pakistan. Musharraf denied making the comment, prompting the Post to issue a tape of the interview.[6]
On 12 January 2006, Mukhtaran Mai published her memoir with the collaboration of Marie-Thérèse Cuny under the title "Déshonorée". The originating publisher of the book is OH ! Editions in France and her book is published simultenaously in German by Droemer Verlag under the title "Die Schuld, eine Frau zu sein".
On 12 January 2006, To coincide with the publication of her memoir, Mukhtaran Mai will be in Paris (France) from the 12th to the 17th January. She will be attending a press conference on Thursday 12th, at the headquarters of The International Federation for Human Rights.
Mukhtaran was originally slated to speak at the United Nations on 20 January 2006, but the UN postponed the visit at the last minute after Pakistan complained that her appearance was scheduled for the same day as a visit by Aziz. The UN wanted to move it to sometime after 24 January, but since Mukhtaran was due to leave New York on 21 January, Islamabad's complaint effectively cancelled the visit. She claimed she was not going to say anything bad about Pakistan or its government. "I was just going to talk about my work and what people are doing," she told the Times. Aziz claimed he didn't know that Mukhtaran was due to appear. [note, no effective appeal mechanism in Shariah, had to go to secular court].
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For doubters with respect any case I have mentioned or those just wanting more information,
Contact Amnesty International, INTERNATIONAL SECRETARIAT, at 1 Easton Street, London WC1X 0DW, UK
Telephone +44-20-74135500
Fax number +44-20-79561157
Or go to their web site www.amnesty.org
CONCLUSION:
No one has any need to educate himself/herself with regard to any unjust law to know that it is unjust, please get real. TRUE Justice is NOT suppression of women. LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT..[NOTE, I was actually accused by some of the deniers of claiming to be a scholar with regard Islam; however I am neither a scholar of Islam, nor do I claim to be. I am actually a Bible scholar and an individual out for true justice exercised in love, a quality apparently lacking in the Quran and Hadith].
Let's face it members of Islam get overly excited about little things with respect silly cartoons, but a big thing, an terrible injustice, they do not react to. In other words, they strongly react when they should NOT, but fail to react when they should.
This is a good point.
"While it's fair to remark that many Muslim associations, sheiks etc have condemned kidnappings and killings etc, I haven't seen millions of Muslims in the streets getting excited about this (let alone burning down the Embassies of the countries whose citizens are respondible for these crimes)" [source - another].
I find it strange that so far no one has addressed the Sharia case of newspaper women Carroll which of course is an extreme injustice. It can not be passed off by saying the judges are terrorist as first of all since they are invoking Sharia law they are Muslims. Remember per Hadith only members of Islam can invoke Sharia and act as judges in Sharia cases.
Let's face it members of Islam get overly excited about little things with respect silly cartoons, but a big things, such as terrible injustices, they do not react to and in many cases actually condone as shown by the news quotes in this article. In other words, as I previously said, they strongly react when they should NOT, but fail to react when they should. And this, when it is a salient violation of the principles expressed in Hadith. Something is rotten in Denmark so the saying goes, here!
One Muslim [Sunni, I believe] actually said this of Shariah and I am making it apart of my article so you can see the absurd thinking with respect Shariah:
"When we practice the rules of Shari`ah, we must keep in mind the objectives of Shari`ah; yet very often, we follow the rules but we ignore and overlook the spirit and real purpose of those rules. The following are examples:
1. The Qur'an speaks about taharah (purification), ghusl (purificatory bathing) and wudu' (ablution): We take these rules and apply them, but we do not take the objective of cleanliness very seriously.
2. We pray in jama`ah (congregation), but we have not learned the system of organization from our salah.
3. We give zakah, but we have not been able to establish a system of social justice.
4. We go for Hajj, but we have not been able to develop a unified Ummah, a community that transcends nationalistic divisions.
5. We recite the Qur'an many times, but we do not try to understand its meaning and message.
6. We talk of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) but this is mostly related to appearances. We pay little attention to Prophet's character of love, kindness, honesty, truthfulness, sincerity, fulfilling promises, and so on."
It is our responsibility to know the rules of Allah and put them into practice with sincerity. But before anything, we should ask ourselves if we are really practicing justice. Are we really fair to others, to our spouses, to our relatives, to our neighbors, employees, employers, to Muslims, to other human beings, to animals, to anything and everything? Are we really compassionate people? Are we really increasing in compassion or are we becoming angry, hateful, arrogant, or complacent about ourselves? We must improve ourselves in justice and compassion. If we do not have `adl (justice) and ihsan (compassion) or rahmah (mercy), then we are not practicing the Shari`ah. Similarly, if we think that we are following the law of Allah but the result is injustice and lack of compassion, then it means that we have not properly understood the law of Allah or we are not interpreting it right."
Apparently there is no "light at the end of tunnel" in areas where Shariah is in force. Why? Simple Shariah Law turned off the light of true justice and love.
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Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Hebrews 5:11 – 13, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Indeed somethings are difficult to comprehend, but as 2 Peter 3:16 – 18, [AV] says, “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” It is imperative that we seek to learn more about Almighty God (YHWH) and his purpose for mankind as shown by Hebrews 6:11, [AV] “Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,” We must grow up in the faith per 1 Corinthians 13:10 – 11, [AV] “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
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[2] ISLAMIC INJUSTICE/DISCRIMINATION - THE SHARIAH
INTRODUCTION:
Originally I intended to write a short article showing the discrepancies and injustices of Shariah Law. However upon researching the subject I readily learned the evil outcomes were much worse than how I knew it as a child, and after receiving denials from Muslims (Sunni, I believe) to something I said with regard to the injustice of this law in the reporter Jill Carroll situation. Then, I realized much more was required to expose this horrible unjust law, so you will find in this article whom to contact to protest in some situations an and organization trying to rectify unjust situations, Amnesty International, INTERNATIONAL SECRETARIAT, Telephone +44-20-74135500, Fax number +44-20-79561157, 1 Easton Street, London WC1X 0DW, UK, www.amnesty.org.
To start off, here are some short news items of 2006 on the unbelievable case of Jill Carroll a kidnapped victim actually slated to be tried under Shariah Law.
Situation Information and Facts on Shariah Which Are Pertinent:
Situation Facts:
[1] Quote:
Boudai said Al-Rai had received a message from "sources close to the kidnappers." He said the message was not conveyed in a videotape, but "another method." He declined to how it was received and whether the message was delivered to Al-Rai's head office in Kuwait or its bureau in Baghdad - where Thursday's video of Carroll was received.
"Sources close to the kidnappers informed Al-Rai TV that the kidnappers have set a Feb. 26 deadline for their demands to be met or they will execute her according to Shariah," he said, referring to Islamic law. [source - Associated Press 02/102006]
[2] Quote:
People close to the kidnappers told the private TV channel earlier Friday that Carroll is "in a safe house owned by one of the kidnappers in downtown Baghdad with a group of women," Jassem Boudai told The Associated Press.
[3] Quote:
Kuwait TV: Carroll Kidnappers Set Deadline
KUWAIT CITY - The Iraqi kidnappers of American journalist Jill Carroll have set a Feb. 26 deadline for their demands to be met or they will kill her, the owner of Kuwait's Al-Rai television said Friday. People close to the kidnappers told the private TV channel earlier Friday that Carroll is "in a safe house owned by one of the kidnappers in downtown Baghdad with a group of women," Jassem Boudai told The Associated Press. [source - Associated Press on 02/10/2006]
As I previously said, the denials and sidestepping of obvious facts by some Muslims (Sunni, I believe) I spoke with just made me realize I was only seeing the tip of an iceberg. They threw up arguments that I had NOT provided sufficient facts, resorted to calling females half witnesses, of they are terrorist, etc. Just trying to rationalize the none rational injustice of the situation and Shariah Law.
Now most of the remainder of this article or should I say white paper will consist of short quotes on news items respect the unloving and injustice outcomes of Shariah Law or sometimes known as Hudood laws, and how they are not only unjust but designed to suppress women's rights. But first, some items of deficiencies and lack of love to look for when reading the news accounts.
DEFICINCIES AND LACK OF LOVE TO LOOK FOR IN NEWS ACCOUNTS:
[1] Only Islamic males can serve as a judge in a Shariah trial.
[2] Islamic authorities can issue a general FATAH which is especially efficient in rectifying situations in Islamic countries such as Iraq.
[3] Shariah Law does NOT have an effective appeal process; therefore, according to the greatest authority on law, Blackstone, any law without an effective appeal process is BAD LAW.
[4] Shariah Law does NOT provide for a trial by jury.
[5] Shariah law considers women only half human. How so? We all know that a witness is, i.e., someone who has personal knowledge of something that has happened; however, under Shariah Law, if this person happens to be a women, her testimony is only counted as one/half as valid as a man.
However, as I told one of the deniers, "There is no such thing in reality as a half witness; either one has seen, witnesses, something or he/she has not. Calling someone a half witness is an outright untruth and discrimination not only against the person so called, but against reality and truth. Wake up to the facts."
Here is a quote on the subject, "At trial, the judge questioned the defendant about the claim made against him. If the defendant denied the claim, the judge then asked the accuser, who had the burden of proof, to present his evidence. Evidence almost always took the form of the direct testimony of two male witnesses of good character (four in adultery cases). Circumstantial evidence and documents were usually inadmissible. Female witnesses were not allowed except in cases where they held special knowledge, such as childbirth. In such cases, two female witnesses were needed for every male witness. After the accuser finished with his witnesses, the defendant could present his own." [source - The Origins of Islamic Law by CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOUNDATION ]
My comment, "I clearly listed the injustice, a women being treated 2 nd. Rate to a man. There is no excuse for this at any time and/or place. And I know of what I speak as I personally experienced it. Now are you denying and/or sidestepping what I said with respect to the discriminated against females with regard to our testimony not being equal to that of a male which of course is both stupid and unjust and/or are you disputing the findings of Dr. David A. Kolb. Who in his research found no difference with respect the reliability and memory of women that would in any way disqualify them from making good witnesses."
[6] Shariah Law makes it illegal for a women to ride in a taxi or other public conveyance without a male member of her family; this is the ultimate suppression.
[7] Shariah Law as applied in some areas even condones raping a women if she is not covering her face or wearing a headscarf, and sentences women to death for killing their attacker, the rapist. I know this sounds unbelievable, but believe me it is true as you will see.
ACTUAL TWO WAY DISCUSSION WITH MUSLIMS [Sunni, I believe] ON FAILURE OF ISLAMIC AUTORITY IN IRAQ:
Now let's consider what the Islamic authorities in Iraq should have done immediately in this case and HAVE NOT DONE as of this date.
They should have issued a general FATWA (ÝÊæì) against the kidnappers of Jill Carroll and their accomplices before and after the fact which removed all rights of Islam from them, to use a Catholic term, excommunicated them. Now one may ask what would that accomplish.
First, the criminals would NOT be able to hold a Shariah since as per fact [1] Iin previous section 'only Islamic males can serve as a judge in a Shariah trial, and they would no longer be such.
Second, it would have brought tremendous pressure on the perverted criminals since as we all know Iraq is a Islamic country.
And here is an actual question I put to the deniers.
"Now do you agree or disagree that per Hadity, only members of Islam can serve as judges in Sharia cases? Let me hear your answer!" PS: this case really has me ticked off.
The denier's reply, "Only Muslims can serve as judges in Islamic Sharia Cases. What exactly does that prove?"
Well let's fact it, I have already shown the significance of this. Now on to the actual news cases in brief.
ACTUAL NEWS EVENTS - YOU BE THE JUDGE [IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER]:
KANO, Nigeria (Reuters) - A court in the northern Nigerian city of Kano has fined 45 motorcycle taxi riders for transporting women, in violation of a new rule to comply with Islamic Sharia law, a court official said on Friday. The ban on women passengers, brought in last year to make Kano state traffic laws compatible with Sharia, has caused controversy in the city, which is predominantly Muslim but has a sizable Christian community. Hisbah committees, or volunteers who help uphold Sharia, have clashed with motorcycle taxi riders caught with women passengers. Women are supposed to ride in special motorised...
And,
Sudan: Criticising Islam & death threat over a woman
On September 26th members of Islamic government of Sudan issued a fatwa on best-selling author Kola Boof, a Sudanese woman's writer who lives in California. The details of the fatwa: Kola Boof has been found guilty of "Blasphemy and Treason" Ms. Boof is to be beheaded. The matter was ratified by the following: Hassan Turabi (National Islamic Front), Ali Muhammad Taha (NIF), Sharif al-Tuhami (NIF) Tanzim Wasti (London's Sudan Committee), Saad Faqih and Mohammed Sobieh.
Kola Boof points out that she has not been Muslim since around 10 and that the men issuing the fatwa are not qualified to do so. Ms. Boof states that she has been receiving "death messages" and warnings to "shut up" from Sudanese government officials by telephone since February 2002. Leader of the NIF, Hassan Turabi, under house arrest by Khartoum Regime has been especially threatening Boof.
A diplomat from Sudan's government, Gamal Ibrahaim, wrote a scathing article about Kola Boof in London's largest daily Arabic newspaper, "Al-Sharq al- Awsat in which he basically called Kola Boof, "a blasphemer of Islam" "mentally unstable"..."a prostitute" and "a liar".
Kola says that after nearly a year of constant intimidation tricks, death threats and an attempt on her life, they should not only drop the fatwa but do it publicly, so that she could believe it. [source - http://www.secularislam.org/women/bulletin8.htm#Pakistan]
And,
Nosrat Abouii, a woman who was stoned in Yazd prison managed to escape while she was being stoned but was arrested immediately by the government and put in jail.
According to Islamic Sharia, women are buried up to their armpits for stoning, while men are buried up to their waist. Earlier, on September 25, Goli Nik-Khou was stoned to death after serving her 15 -year sentence in the town of Naqadeh, western Iran.
At the moment there are four women - Ferdows, Ashraf, Sima and Shahnaz - in prison waiting to be stoned to death.
[source - http://www.secularislam.org/women/bulletin8.htm#Pakistan]
And from BBC,
I have been wrestling with the rights and wrongs of attitudes expressed by Muslim spokesmen, both here in the United States and around the world, since the World Trade Center attack last year. I am not a Muslim, or an expert on Islam, but I have been trying to understand how the world looks from an "Islamic" or "Arabic" perspective. I've wanted to understand why so much public commentary by Muslim spokesmen sounds wrong to my Western ears. I've concluded that much of the Islamic world is doing a poor job of facing up to some grim realities, and doing a good job of blaming everyone else (especially the US and Israel) for their self-inflicted injuries.
So here is my message to the Islamic world. I believe you need to do the following:
1) Acknowledge that every nation of significance that has embraced Islam as the state religion, and has tried to govern according to the laws of Sharia, is a miserable failure. Egypt, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia: These are totalitarian nations that repress their own citizens every bit as savagely as did the former Soviet Union. Citizens in these countries have no freedom, no rights, and no hope for a better life. They cannot speak freely. They can be arrested, imprisoned, tortured, or killed for any reason. The governing authorities can even order mass slaughter of their own people at will (witness Syria).
Part of the reason for the abject failure of these nations is the tribal origins of their peoples. After communism, tribalism has been responsible for more slaughter and suffering than any other single cause in history. Tribal communities are, by definition, barbarian. True civilization arises only when tribal limitations are relegated to the dustbin of history.
Another reason for their failure is Islam itself. The laws of Sharia assume that the highest principle of governance is justice, not freedom. Justice, in this case, means that decisions are made by religious authorities in consonance with the teachings of the Koran. There are no checks on the power of these authorities, as their mandate is given as coming straight from God. Thus Sharia forbids the notion of rule by the people, with laws being made by the people and their elected representatives.
In contrast, Western civilization holds freedom as the highest principle of governance. Government is by the people, for the people. Laws are made by the people and their elected representatives. Western civilization, and especially American civilization, is based on the concept of preserving freedom by limiting powers through a system of checks and balances. Laws are, deliberately, man made, not taken as coming from God, although religious (Judeo-Christian) teachings are influential in guiding legislation.
The bottom line is that no successful civilization of significant size can exist without the separation of church and state. The weight of history has demonstrated this over and over again, as the utter failure of Islamic nations shows. Sharia prohibits this separation, therefore Sharia must be discarded.
[source - http://muslimpundit.blogspot.com/2002_08_01_muslimpundit_archive.html , Muslimpundit.com]
Legislation allows the Sharia court to hear any criminal case that falls under Islamic laws called the Hudood laws. These cases include rape and adultery. [source - BBC]
And,
An Islamic cleric in Denmark has demanded that all girls from Muslim families be circumcised. Mustafa Abdullahi Aden said: "It is good for girls to be circumcised. It is a sign that they are true Muslims." He recommended a method that involves the removal of both the clitoris and the labia. The imam said that Islamic tradition must take precedence over Danish law.
His remarks provoked a backlash among the mainstream leaders of Denmark's political parties. Main party leaders demanded that doctors inspect the girls at school, and if it is found that they have been mutilated, their parents must be prosecuted.
FGM is against the law in Denmark, although there is little that the authorities can do to stop parents sending their daughters on "holiday" to countries that where the barbarism is legal.
The Right-wing nationalist Danish People's Party demanded that girls who are found to have been genitally mutilated should be taken away from their parents, placed in foster homes, and the parents expelled from the country. But school doctors resisted the call, saying that enforced examination would simply keep the children away from school.
Danish health authorities estimate that about 3,000 girls up to the age of ten are at risk.
[Source: Newsline 15 November 2002, the National Secular Society- UK]
And - Shariah and Religious Freedom,
Faithfreedom.org ^ | 2/20/2009 | Khaled Waleed
This is how we treat the infidels in Saudi Arabia: We abuse the non-Muslims living and working in Saudi Arabia all the time, especially the Christians and the Jews. We call them grandsons of pigs and monkeys. We say this openly, everywhere, particularly in mosques. We do not respect any religions except Islam. This is the Saudi official policy: all religions other than Islam are false. Only Islam is the true religion. To accomplish this extremely bigoted notion, the Saudi state policy is to convert to Islam as many infidels as possible. So, proselytising for Islam is a major activity...
And,
News24 (South Africa) ^ | 27 January 2006 | News24
Islamabad - A Pakistani court has sentenced an Afghan national to amputation of his hand and foot under Islamic "Hudood law" after finding him guilty of robbery, a news report said on Friday. The daily Dawn reported that the lower court judge in the Northwestern Frontier Province (NWFP) directed that Ajab Khan's right hand from the wrist and his left foot from the ankle be chopped off as punishment for the crime. Additionally, Khan will undergo a five-year jail term and shall have to pay a fine of about $500. Khan, a resident of Afghanistan's eastern Jalalabad city, robbed a...
And,
Newsmax ^ | February 5, 2006 | Carl Limbacher, et al.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is warning that Western countries must increase their defense budgets in order to prevent the rise of a "global extremist Islamic empire" that could be as deadly as Hitler's Third Reich. Speaking at a global security conference in Munich on Saturday, the U.S. defense chief said that Islamic radicals "seek to take over governments from North Africa to Southeast Asia and to re-establish a caliphate they hope, one day, will include every continent. "They have designed and distributed a map where national borders are erased and replaced by a global extremist Islamic empire," he added....
And,
7 January 2006 -- Iran's "Etemad" newspaper reports today that an 18-year-old woman has been sentenced to death by hanging for killing a man she said was trying to rape her.
The newspaper reported that the woman, identified only as Nazanin, testified during her trial that she and her niece were out with their boyfriends when they were accosted by two men who chased away the boyfriends then tried to rape the two young women.
Nazanin admitted stabbing one of the men to prevent her and her niece from being assaulted.
Nazanin was only 17 years old at the time, but under Iranian law a boy can be executed from the age of 15 and a girl from the age of nine.
At least 81 people were executed in 2005 in Iran, which has been heavily criticized within the international community for its laws and practices on capital punishment. [source - AFP]
And,
Telegraph ^ | February 19 2006 | Patrick Hennessy and Melissa Kite
Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today. The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity. Islamic law is used in large parts of the Middle East, including Iran and Saudi Arabia, and is enforced by religious police. Special courts can hand down harsh punishments which can include stoning and amputation. Forty per cent...
And,
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Mukhtaran Bibi (??????? ?????) (c. 1972 - ) is a Pakistani woman from the small and impoverished village of Meerwala, located in the rural tehsil (county) of Jatoi in the Muzaffargarh District of Pakistan. Also known as Mukhtar Mai, Mukhtiar or just Mukhtaran, she was gang-raped on the demands of tribesmen - or by some accounts, on the orders of a panchayat (tribal council) - of a local clan known as the Mastoi. The Mastoi clan reportedly had bitter disputes with Mukhtaran's clan, the Tatla.
After the conviction of her attackers, Mukhtaran became a symbol for advocates for the health and security of women in her region, attracting both national and international attention to these issues. Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf awarded Mukhtaran a financial settlement of Rs.500,000 (about US$8000) which she used to build two local schools, one for girls and another for boys. There were no schools for girls in Mukhtaran's village before this and she never had the opportunity to get an education. Some Western donors have also come forward with contributions.
And,
By Sharon Lapkin
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 15, 2005
In Australia this week amidst anger over an Islamic man's rape conviction and the bashing of two Aussie life savers, working-class locals erupted in a rampage of anger and brawling in some of the worst racial riots in decades. But there is more to the story than is being repeated in the American mainstream media....
Four days after he set foot in Australia, the rape spree began. And during his sexual assault trial in a New South Wales courtroom, the Pakistani man began to berate one of his tearful 14-year-old victims because she had the temerity to shake her head at his testimony.
But she had every reason to express her disgust. After taking an oath on the Qur'an, the man - known only as MSK - told the court he had committed four attacks on girls as young as 13 because they had no right to say "no." They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed: "I'm not doing anything wrong."
MSK is already serving a 22-year jail term for leading his three younger brothers in a gang rape of two other young Sydney girls in 2002. In his own defence, he argued that his cultural background, was responsible for his crimes.
And,
There is only one ISLAM
Worldwide Media | Ginne
Posted on 12/23/2005 12:27:03 AM PST by Oledoy
"There is only one Islam"
Quote from the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils.
In an article published in the Australian newspaper (September 6, 2005) Australian Muslims made a public announcement of the formation of an Australian Islamic Political Party, and their policy to make Shariah (Islamic) Law the law for all Australians.
Shiite Muslim Mohammed Jomahaa cuts the head of his son with a sword during the annual ritual to mark Ashoura Day in the southern Lebanese town of Nabatiyeh,.
Tuesday March 2, 2004.
Shariah Law or Islamic Law contradicts with Australian culture in that;
§ Alcohol is forbidden.
§ Honour killing of daughters, wives and mothers for "sexual mis-conduct" is permitted (this includes being raped).
§ Women are inferior to men, for example, the value of a woman's testimony is half that of a mans.
§ Muslim men can have up to four wives, with his rights divine. Punishment for leaving the religion is death.
While some believe this is only true of militant or extreme Muslims, moderate Muslims share exactly the same goals and values. For example, Islam is promoted through war; as shown in quotes from the English translation of the Holy Quran (Koran), published by Penguin Classics (1997).
1. I [Allah] shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels [Non-Muslims]. Strike off their heads; strike off the very tips of their fingers. That is because they defied Allah and His apostle. (8:12)
2. Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. Allah knows, but you know not. (2:216)
3. The true believers [Muslims] fight for the cause of Allah, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan. (4:76)
4. Believers [Muslims] make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that Allah is with the righteous. (9:123)
5. Prophet [Muhammed], make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. (9:73)
In Europe, Muslims numbers have doubled over the last 30 years and now make up more than a quarter of the population of Marseilles and 15% in Paris and Brussels. Within a decade, Muslims will form the bulk of the population in Amsterdam and Rotterdam. However, Muslim numbers will not swell purely through immigration, but also through their high birthrate. For example, the most popular boys name in Brussels over the past four years has been Mohammed. It has been predicted that by 2070 there will be a Muslim majority in Europe, first France, followed by the Netherlands, Spain and Germany. (The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005).
The Australian Federal Government is funding the expansion of Islam in Australia with multi-millions of dollars for the development of Islamic schools, while funding to State Government schools and Tertiary Institutions decreases. Currently there are 100 Islamic schools in Australia. The NSW Education Dept. publications push the Muslim cause, for example the 2004 issue of Inform featured a Muslim girl wearing a scarf. The Education Resource Guide also features a Muslim girl in Muslim uniform. However, there has not been an equal emphasis of other religious groups like Christians or Jews.
Racist rapes: Finally the truth comes out
So now we know the facts, straight from the Supreme Court, that a group of Lebanese Muslim gang rapists from south-western Sydney hunted their victims on the basis of their ethnicity and subjected them to hours of degrading, dehumanising torture. The young women, and girls as young as 14, were "sluts" and "Aussie pigs", the rapists said. So now that some of the perpetrators are in jail, will those people who cried racism and media "sensationalism" hang their heads in shame? Hardly.
The journalists, academics, legal brains and politicians who tried to claim last August that the gang rapes of south-western Sydney were just a run-of-the-mill police blotter story being beaten up by racists, scaremongers and political opportunists don't ever want to acknowledge the truth about that ugly episode in Australian history. They don't want to acknowledge the fear and tension that ran through a part of Sydney they rarely visit and can never understand.
This newspaper was the first to report the story, which had been common knowledge in police and media circles, and it has never censored the race element.
Even last week, with the conviction of two brothers for their part in the gang rape of Miss D, who was 16 when she was held at gunpoint in a Greenacre park, there were media outlets that downplayed the story and air-brushed race from it. Yet the victims have been crying out for the truth to be told. In court on Friday, one victim gave another a card on which she had written you're an Australian," the rapists told her during the five-hour attack.It's just so inconvenient of the victims to insist on telling the truth. "I looked in his eyes. I had never seen such indifference," one 18-year-old victim, codenamed Miss C, told the court, remembering one of the 14 men who called her "Aussie pig", gang raped her 25 times over a six-hour period in Bankstown and Chullora, and then turned a hose on her. "I'm going to f*** you Leb style," he said.
Fourteen gang rapists have been convicted, or pleaded guilty, thanks to the courage of seven victims who testified for days in court as their tormentors smirked nearby, the men's families threatened them and defence lawyers suggested they had enjoyed the rapes. "They're very brave, very strong and very courageous young women," said Salvation Army Major Joyce Harmer, who held the hands of many of the victims through the trials. "They knew this was something they had to do."
These were racist crimes. They were hate crimes. The rapists chose their victims on the basis of race. That fact is crucial to this story. If the perpetrators had been Anglo-Celtic Australians, the furore would have been enormous. No newspaper would have left out that fact and you can bet the guilt and shame would have been spread far and wide.
Multiculturalism serves to encourage ethnic groups to form niche communities rather than assimilating into a homogenous society. Multiculturalism will never work in Australia with Muslims as they are prohibited from friendship with non-Muslims. (4:144, 5:51). There is no integration or assimilation with Multiculturalism.
Western Countries face the first defeat in history by non-military means. Australians like Europeans, face becoming a minority in their own country by demographic change due to population flows that we seem to have little say in. Your grandchildren will suffer the consequences of an unchallenged migration program that ensures we could not in the future, challenge the implementation of Shariah law.
WHY? Once any one group (ethnic or religious) become the majority it is their culture and ideals that become the norm and eventually legislated, which is called a DEMOCRACY. It is their voting majority right.
Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other?
Islam is intolerant of other religions, so much so that Christians in Nigeria, Sudan and middle eastern countries are killed for practicing their religion. Muslims are also responsible for burning down their churches. Sydney has recently seen an attack on four churches for similar reasons. (December 16, 2005) How can we tolerate such intolerance?
WHAT YOU CAN DO
Learn more and educate yourself beyond the regular channels of information such as TV / Radio and daily newspapers.
Access citizens media via personal blogs, websites, radiocasts, alternative newspapers and avoid the politically correct filters currently enforced by so many outlets today. Join groups such as;
Support legislation/groups that demand integration/assimilation of new arrivals as a mandated minimum requirement.
Learn to view common "name calling' like racist, flag waver or patriot for what it is, an attempt to shutdown informed debate when someone cannot argue further with you and reverts to slurs.
Encourage discussion on immigration, with your friends, workmates and strangers. Immigration is not a taboo subject, nor does it make you "racist".
Contact the Government, start a petition and tell others.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html
http://www.muslimsout.org/
And,
Iran: According to Iranian official press, since the beginning of this year, four women Ms. Shahnaz, Ms. Ferdows B and Ms. Sima and Ms. Ashraf have been sentenced to death in the most brutal form of execution according to Islamic law in Iran.
Nigeria: Amina Lawal Kurami, Fatima Usman, Ahmadu Ibrahim and Ado Baranda are now on the death Row of Islamic Sharia
We call upon all women/human rights organisations to protest against this Islamic cruel and inhuman treatment of women.
Please send your protest letters to:
Mohammad Khatami - Iran
Khatami, khatami@president.ir
iranemb@salamiran.org
Fax: +98 216 464 443
Olusegun Obasanjo, President of the Republic,
The Presidency, Federal Secretariat
Phase II, Shehu Shagari Way, Abuja; Nigeria
Fax: 234 9 523 21 36 (press office), Email: president.obasanjo@nigeriagov.org
Alhaji Sule Lamido, Minister of Foreign Affairs,
Maputo Street, Zone 3 Wuse District, Abuja, Nigeria;
Fax: 234 9 523 02 08.
Kanu Godwin Agabi, Minister of Justice, Ministry of Justice,
New Federal Secretariat complex Shehu Shagari Way, Abuja,
Federal Capital Territory, Nigeria;
Fax: 234 9 523 52 08.
Alhaji Uman Musa Yar'adua,
Governor, Office of the Military Administrator,
Katsina, Katsina State, Nigeria.
Nigerian Embassy,
173 Avenue Victor Hugo
75016 Paris
Fax: 00 33 1 47 04 47 54 or
[source - Committee to Defend Women's Rights in the Middle East Co-ordinator: Azam Kamguian.
Email: azam_kamguian@yahoo.com , Cdwrme@yahoo.co.uk/women, Tel: +44(0) 788 4040 835,
Fax: +44(0) 870 831 0204 , Web-site: www.eclipse.co.uk/women ]
And,
Daily Telegraph ^ | 23 Feb 2006
ANYONE who believes Islamic sharia law can co-exist with Australian law should move to a country where they feel more comfortable, Treasurer Peter Costello said today. All Australian citizens must adhere to the framework in society which maintains tolerance and protects the rights and liberties of all, he said. It is a pre-condition for citizenship of Australia. Mr Costello was giving a speech on the meaning of Australian citizenship to the Sydney Institute. "There is one law we are all expected to abide by," Mr Costello said. "It is the law enacted by the Parliament under the Australian Constitution. "If...
And,
www.rferl.org ^ | Saturday, 07 January 2006
Iran's "Etemad" newspaper reports today that an 18-year-old woman has been sentenced to death by hanging for killing a man she said was trying to rape her. The newspaper reported that the woman, identified only as Nazanin, testified during her trial that she and her niece were out with their boyfriends when they were accosted by two men who chased away the boyfriends then tried to rape the two young women. Nazanin admitted stabbing one of the men to prevent her and her niece from being assaulted. Nazanin was only 17 years old at the time, but under Iranian law...
And,
BBC ^ | 12-13-2005 | Ado Sale Kankiya
Nigerian women ignore bike ban Women say there is no public transport alternative Women in the northern Nigerian state of Kano are ignoring a ban stopping them travelling on public motorbike taxis. On Monday religious authorities began implementing the ban passed earlier this year. In accordance with Sharia law, men and women are not allowed to travel together on public transport. The women say there are not enough public transport alternatives in the state that adopted Sharia law in 2000. The BBC's Ado Sale Kankiya in the city of Kano says some 9,000 religious marshals are on the streets to...
And,
Recent developments
The Lahore high court ruled on 10 June 2005 that the rapists must be released. Just over two weeks later the supreme court suspended those acquittals and ruled that the men, along with six more who were acquitted at the original trial, would be retried. [1]
Also on 10 June 2005, shortly before she was scheduled to fly to London on the invitation of Amnesty International, Mukhtaran was put on Pakistan's Exit-Control List (ECL) [2], a list of people prohibited from traveling abroad, a move that prompted protest in Pakistan and around the world.
On 17 June 2005, Musharraf in a press conference in Auckland, New Zealand revealed that he had ordered the travel ban to protect Pakistan's image abroad.
Musharraf said Mukhtaran Mai was being taken to the United States by foreign non-government organisations ("NGOs") "to bad-mouth Pakistan" over the "terrible state" of the nation's women. He said NGOs are "Westernised fringe elements" which "are as bad as the Islamic extremists". [3]
On 15 June 2005, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz ordered Mukhtaran's name removed from the ECL (Mukhtaran allowed to go abroad, NA told). However, it was reported on 19 June 2005, by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, that as Mai returned from the US embassy in Islamabad, after getting her passport stamped with a US visa, it was confiscated once again, rendering her unable to travel outside the country [4].
On 29 June 2005, on his personal web site [5] Musharraf wrote that "Mukhtaran Mai is free to go wherever she pleases, meet whoever she wants and say whatever she pleases."
On 2 August 2005, the Pakistani government awarded Mukhtaran the Fatima Jinnah gold medal for bravery and courage.
On 2 November 2005, The US magazine Glamour named Mukhtaran as their Woman Of The Year. Upon her visit to the United States, President Musharraf told the Washington Post that claiming rape had become a "moneymaking concern" in Pakistan. Musharraf denied making the comment, prompting the Post to issue a tape of the interview.[6]
On 12 January 2006, Mukhtaran Mai published her memoir with the collaboration of Marie-Thérèse Cuny under the title "Déshonorée". The originating publisher of the book is OH ! Editions in France and her book is published simultenaously in German by Droemer Verlag under the title "Die Schuld, eine Frau zu sein".
On 12 January 2006, To coincide with the publication of her memoir, Mukhtaran Mai will be in Paris (France) from the 12th to the 17th January. She will be attending a press conference on Thursday 12th, at the headquarters of The International Federation for Human Rights.
Mukhtaran was originally slated to speak at the United Nations on 20 January 2006, but the UN postponed the visit at the last minute after Pakistan complained that her appearance was scheduled for the same day as a visit by Aziz. The UN wanted to move it to sometime after 24 January, but since Mukhtaran was due to leave New York on 21 January, Islamabad's complaint effectively cancelled the visit. She claimed she was not going to say anything bad about Pakistan or its government. "I was just going to talk about my work and what people are doing," she told the Times. Aziz claimed he didn't know that Mukhtaran was due to appear. [note, no effective appeal mechanism in Shariah, had to go to secular court].
And,
For doubters with respect any case I have mentioned or those just wanting more information,
Contact Amnesty International, INTERNATIONAL SECRETARIAT, at 1 Easton Street, London WC1X 0DW, UK
Telephone +44-20-74135500
Fax number +44-20-79561157
Or go to their web site www.amnesty.org
CONCLUSION:
No one has any need to educate himself/herself with regard to any unjust law to know that it is unjust, please get real. TRUE Justice is NOT suppression of women. LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT..[NOTE, I was actually accused by some of the deniers of claiming to be a scholar with regard Islam; however I am neither a scholar of Islam, nor do I claim to be. I am actually a Bible scholar and an individual out for true justice exercised in love, a quality apparently lacking in the Quran and Hadith].
Let's face it members of Islam get overly excited about little things with respect silly cartoons, but a big thing, an terrible injustice, they do not react to. In other words, they strongly react when they should NOT, but fail to react when they should.
This is a good point.
"While it's fair to remark that many Muslim associations, sheiks etc have condemned kidnappings and killings etc, I haven't seen millions of Muslims in the streets getting excited about this (let alone burning down the Embassies of the countries whose citizens are respondible for these crimes)" [source - another].
I find it strange that so far no one has addressed the Sharia case of newspaper women Carroll which of course is an extreme injustice. It can not be passed off by saying the judges are terrorist as first of all since they are invoking Sharia law they are Muslims. Remember per Hadith only members of Islam can invoke Sharia and act as judges in Sharia cases.
Let's face it members of Islam get overly excited about little things with respect silly cartoons, but a big things, such as terrible injustices, they do not react to and in many cases actually condone as shown by the news quotes in this article. In other words, as I previously said, they strongly react when they should NOT, but fail to react when they should. And this, when it is a salient violation of the principles expressed in Hadith. Something is rotten in Denmark so the saying goes, here!
One Muslim [Sunni, I believe] actually said this of Shariah and I am making it apart of my article so you can see the absurd thinking with respect Shariah:
"When we practice the rules of Shari`ah, we must keep in mind the objectives of Shari`ah; yet very often, we follow the rules but we ignore and overlook the spirit and real purpose of those rules. The following are examples:
1. The Qur'an speaks about taharah (purification), ghusl (purificatory bathing) and wudu' (ablution): We take these rules and apply them, but we do not take the objective of cleanliness very seriously.
2. We pray in jama`ah (congregation), but we have not learned the system of organization from our salah.
3. We give zakah, but we have not been able to establish a system of social justice.
4. We go for Hajj, but we have not been able to develop a unified Ummah, a community that transcends nationalistic divisions.
5. We recite the Qur'an many times, but we do not try to understand its meaning and message.
6. We talk of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) but this is mostly related to appearances. We pay little attention to Prophet's character of love, kindness, honesty, truthfulness, sincerity, fulfilling promises, and so on."
It is our responsibility to know the rules of Allah and put them into practice with sincerity. But before anything, we should ask ourselves if we are really practicing justice. Are we really fair to others, to our spouses, to our relatives, to our neighbors, employees, employers, to Muslims, to other human beings, to animals, to anything and everything? Are we really compassionate people? Are we really increasing in compassion or are we becoming angry, hateful, arrogant, or complacent about ourselves? We must improve ourselves in justice and compassion. If we do not have `adl (justice) and ihsan (compassion) or rahmah (mercy), then we are not practicing the Shari`ah. Similarly, if we think that we are following the law of Allah but the result is injustice and lack of compassion, then it means that we have not properly understood the law of Allah or we are not interpreting it right."
Apparently there is no "light at the end of tunnel" in areas where Shariah is in force. Why? Simple Shariah Law turned off the light of true justice and love.
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