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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] MODERN SEX PRACTICES VS. THE WORD OF GOD: NOTE: AT END AN EXAMPLE OF SHARI LAW INJUSTICE.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 538A]
Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. 9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Ephesians 1:8-10, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle Paul wrote the following Colossians 1:9, [AV] “For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;” in which he showed he was praying for all to seek knowledge and be filled with it. And at Romans 16:25, [AV] “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,” he wrote to note the importance of the gospel of Jesus (Yeshua). And at 2 Timothy 1:9, [AV] “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”
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[2] MODERN SEX PRACTICES VS. THE WORD OF GOD:
INTRODUCTION:
Many sex practices that would have been rejected outright as disgusting and against the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, are now considered okay by many of the 'new' generation. However, is this really the case?
All should bear in mind 1 Peter 4:18, "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" (Authorized King James Bible; AV); therefore, all should openly mindedly check out the facts. However, many so called moderns consider the disgusting unnatural forms of sex such as oral, anal, man-with-man, women-with-women, man-with-animal, women-with-animal, adult-with-child acceptable.
Now are these disgusting forms of unnatural sex acceptable to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is/
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT NATURAL AND UNNATURAL SEX:
First, one needs to understand the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, purpose for creating man and women as sexual beings. He made us this way and natural sex pleasurable to ensure the continuation of the human race.
Second, Vaginal intercourse is natural sex as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, intended for continuation of the human race and whose function is clearly attested to in medicine as the design function of the human body. All other sex is unnatural.
Third, Let's consider what the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, says on the matter at Romans 1:27-28, "Their women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and their men in turn, giving up natural relations with women, burn with lust for one another; males behave indecently with males and a paid in their own persons the fitting wage of such perversion. 28 Thus, because they have not seen fit to acknowledge God, he has given them up to their own depraved reason. This leads them to break all rules of conduct." (The New English Bible; NEB).
The scripture is clear when it says, ", "Their women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural..."
Natural intercourse = vaginal intercourse.
Unnatural intercourse (sex) = anything other than vaginal intercourse.
Fourth, This same scripture with comments in double brackets to bring out the significance of Romans 1:27-28, "Romans 1:27-28, "Their women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural[[A clear showing of Sodomy, note, the word unnatural contrasted to natural intercourse]], and their men in turn, giving up natural relations with women, burn with lust for one another; males behave indecently with males,[[A clear showing of Homosexuality, men burning in lust for other males]] and a paid in their own persons the fitting wage of such perversion. 28 Thus, because they have not seen fit to acknowledge God, he has given them up to their own depraved reason. This leads them to break all rules of conduct." (The New English Bible; NEB).
Fifth, An anatomy observation of the sexual organs of both sexes should be sufficient for anyone to see what their natural intended function is. I have been married for many years and neither I or my husband have ever had any problem with comprehending this so I am quite perplexed why you do. It is so elementary.
CONSENSUS AMONG WRONG DOERS VS. WORD OF GOD:
Many so called modern individuals wrongly believe that because the two individuals indulging in self-gratification through unnatural sexual acts and/or fornication do so by mutual consent that these wrong acts are okay and none of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, business. But is this so?
The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, clearly shows otherwise as previously shown with respect Romans 1:27-28. Likewise, the Bible clearly shows that we must properly train our conscience at Hebrews 9:14-15, "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 ¶ And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). And 2 Timothy 3:16-17 clearly shows that, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (AV).
As Colossians 3:5 shows, "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:" (AV) clearly referring to the sexual organs of male and female and showing per 1 Timothy 1:19, "Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:" (AV).
Let's now consider just what sin is by looking at 1 John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (AV); and 1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." (AV). As Galatians 5:19-21 states, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (AV); and as Mark 7:21-23 says, "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." (AV).
SEXUAL RELATIONS BEFORE MARRIAGE ARE WRONG:
The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, clearly shows sexual relations before and/or without marriage are just plain wrong, sin, at 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, "For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit." (AV); and Ephesians 5:5, "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." (AV).
And 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (AV).
HOMOSEXUALITY AND UNNATURAL SEX ACTS ARE JUST PLAIN SIN:
Today, many people believe homosexuality and unnatural sex acts such as oral and anal sex are just a different "life style" and should be respected. In fact, it has gotten so bad that some mainstream religions are even appointing homosexuals and practitioners of unnatural sex acts to high church positions. However, the Bible is clear on this wrong practice as shown at Romans 1:27-28, already explained and quoted, 1 Timothy 1:9-11, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust." (AV); and Jude 1:7-8, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 ¶ Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities." (AV); and Genesis 19:4-9 and 24-24, "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. 6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. 8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. 9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door." And "Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground." (AV).
Let's face it, the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ well know that even deeply rooted wrong desires are not insurmountable for individuals who really want to please the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
SINFUL SEXUAL PRACTICES BY MUSLIMS AND APOSTATE (COUNTERFEIT) SO CALLED CHRISTIANS:
Let's look at some of the wrong sexual practices of apostate (counterfeit) so called Christian leaders and members of Islam as documented from world news and internet sources.
<<<" Among both apostate (counterfeit) Christians and members of Islam some practice deviant forms of sex and both religious groups say this is wrong, but wink at its practice. On 11/02/2006, one leading Evangelical leader was uncovered to be publicly denouncing homosexuality as condemned at Romans 1:27, "and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); here is the news account of this winking at wrong doing by The Rev. Ted Haggard, <<"CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer (11/03/2006), COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - A leading evangelist and outspoken opponent of gay marriage has given up his post as president of the National Association of Evangelicals while a church panel investigates allegations he paid a man for sex. The Rev. Ted Haggard resigned as head of the 30 million-member association Thursday and also gave up leadership of his New Life Church pending the investigation into allegations he had monthly trysts with a gay prostitute over the past three years...
"I just know that there has been some admission of indiscretion, not admission to all of the material that has been discussed, but there is an admission of some guilt," Ross Parsley told KKTV-TV of Colorado Springs.
Parlsey did not elaborate, but in an e-mail addressed to congregants, he wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had since met with Haggard. "It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver...
[outted by]Jones, who said he is gay, said he was also upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage. "It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," he said.
Jones claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. He said he advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and was contacted by a man who called himself Art, who snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience...
At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it's the best family unit for children.">> [[Note, the Los Angeles Times also had a very telling article on this, "Evangelical leader steps down amid allegations The Rev. Ted Haggard denies a man's public charges that the pastor of a mega-church had been paying him for sex. By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer (11/03/2006).]].
Of course this is no isolated case. The cases are so numerous that the accounts would definitely fill a library rack many meters or yards long. Some references on this dysfunction would be "The Church and the Homosexual Priest Facing the challenges and accepting the gifts offered by homosexual priests in the Catholic Church" by James Martin - in The National Catholic Weekly, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Rev. Donald B. Cozzens, Prince Charles Praises Openly Gay Anglican Priest, by Terry Vanderheyden, published Oct 11, 2006, by LifeSite News:, etc.
And this wrong practice is not limited just to apostate (counterfeit) Christians but the winking at violation of Romans 1:27 carries over into Ialam where gay members of Islam actually operate a web site implicitly implying Muhammad (pbuh) may have been gay, called Gay Egypt>com which states, "sponsors 3,500 forums for 175 million GAY muslims & their admirers across the Middle East, Africa, Asia, & Worldwide."
Gay Egypt said this of Muhammad (pbuh), <<"These essays reveal a forgotten history including the amazing saga of the Prophet Muhammad [(pbuh)]and Zaid Ibn Haritha. A story which has been suppressed in order to justify the persecution of gays in the name of Islam.
Zaid was a slave, a wedding gift from Muhammad's [(pbuh)'s] wealthy older bride Khadija, so there was no question of adultery under Sharia law. When the Prophet eventually freed Zaid, he proclaimed a formal partnership or union, equivalent to a marriage. Zaid became, in effect, a "male wife" who was equal in status to Khadija.
First with Zaid, and later with Ali, Muhammad [(pbuh)] formed a bond which was even closer than those of his ten "heterosexual marriages." Love that was tested through extreme adversity and martydom. [source - http://www.gayegypt.com/archivesonly.html]>>.
Of this organization, Newsweek said,<<"GayEgypt.com "pokes fun at Egypt's autocratic regime with an irreverence no domestic site would dare express,">>, and the The Middle East Times said, <<"GayEgypt.com has emerged as a key source of information and communication for the gay community in Egypt.">>.
Interestingly Islam is winking at this and doing nothing about Gay Egypt.com, nor are members of Islam protesting what most would take as a serious attack on their prophet's moral character; yet they rioted over silly cartoons of Muhammad (pbuh). Makes one wonder does it not? "[source - False Religion Spreads False Doctrine and Practice by Iris the Preacher - can be read at, http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?board=false&action=display&thread=1163033881 or
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ISLAM TACITLY CONDONES IMMORAL SEX:
Now Islam condemns what they see as immoral conditions in western lands, but it too permits immoral sex and sometimes severly punishes women who resist rape. Let's look at an actual case.
<<"Rape Victims Held Criminally Libel, a news item on page 17a, of the Sunday, June 2, 2002, The Palm Beach Post article, "Pakistani rape victims the criminals." This article stated, "The evidence of guilt was there for all to see: a newborn baby in the arms of its mother, a village woman named Zafran Bibi.
Her crime: She had been raped. Her sentence: death by stoning.
Thumping a fat red statute book, the white-bearded judge who convicted her, Anwar Ali Kahn, said he had simply followed the letter of the Koran based law, known as hudood, that mandates punishment.
Furthermore, he said, in accusing her brother-in-law of raping her, Zafran had confessed to her crime.
"The lady stated before this court that, yea, she had committed sexual intercourse, but with the brother of her husband," Judge Khan said. "This left no option to the court but to impose the highest penalty."
Although legal fine points do exist, little distinction is made in court between forced and consensual sex.
When hudood was enacted 23 years ago, the laws were formally described as measures to ban "all forms of adultery, whether the offense is committed with or without the consent of the parties." But women are almost always punished, whatever the facts.">>
This is of course absurd and a tacit approving of rape; a total injustice.
Here is another example,
<<"Imam justifies rape of unveiled women
Australian cleric compares victims to 'uncovered meat' that attracts cats
October 26, 2006
(c) 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Australia's top Muslim cleric rationalized a series of gang rapes by Arab men, blaming women who "sway suggestively," wear make-up and don't cover themselves in the tradition of Islam.
Sheik Ibrahim Mogra with Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly. (Courtesy Sydney Daily Telegraph)
Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly's comments in a Ramadan sermon in a Sydney mosque have stirred a furor in the country with even Prime Minister John Howard weighing in with condemnation.
The cleric also said the judge in the case, who sentenced the rapists, had "no mercy."
"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he said, referring to the women victims - whom he said were "weapons used by Satan."
The victims of the vicious gang rapes are leading the national outcry - with some calling for deportation of the sheik. In a Sydney Daily Telegraph online poll, 84 percent of people said the Egyptian-born sheik should be deported.
(Story continues below)
"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" the sheik said in his sermon. "The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
A 16-year-old girl, whose gang rape investigation was the subject of a secret police report, issued an open letter yesterday.
"You are a sad person who has no understanding of what really happens when these people inflict harm and degrading acts upon me or any other young girl," she said.
Initially, the mufti of Australia would not back away from his comments. But today he apologized.
"I unreservedly apologize to any woman who is offended by my comments," he said in a statement. "I had only intended to protect women's honor."
Howard said the sheik's remarks were "appalling and reprehensible." ">>
Now one can ask what was the antecedent for such an outrageous speech by the grand Mufti of Australia? Well, let's look at it.
<<" FrontPageMagazine.com | December 15, 2005
In Australia this week amidst anger over an Islamic man's rape conviction and the bashing of two Aussie life savers, working-class locals erupted in a rampage of anger and brawling in some of the worst racial riots in decades. But there is more to the story than is being repeated in the American mainstream media....
Four days after he set foot in Australia, the rape spree began. And during his sexual assault trial in a New South Wales courtroom, the Pakistani man began to berate one of his tearful 14-year-old victims because she had the temerity to shake her head at his testimony.
But she had every reason to express her disgust. After taking an oath on the Qur'an, the man - known only as MSK - told the court he had committed four attacks on girls as young as 13 because they had no right to say "no." They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed: "I'm not doing anything wrong."
MSK is already serving a 22-year jail term for leading his three younger brothers in a gang rape of two other young Sydney girls in 2002. In his own defense, he argued that his cultural background, was responsible for his crimes.">>.
Let's look at one more case so all can see they are noy isolated incidents,
7 January 2006 -- Iran's "Etemad" newspaper reports today that an 18-year-old woman has been sentenced to death by hanging for killing a man she said was trying to rape her.
The newspaper reported that the woman, identified only as Nazanin, testified during her trial that she and her niece were out with their boyfriends when they were accosted by two men who chased away the boyfriends then tried to rape the two young women.
Nazanin admitted stabbing one of the men to prevent her and her niece from being assaulted.
Nazanin was only 17 years old at the time, but under Iranian law a boy can be executed from the age of 15 and a girl from the age of nine.
At least 81 people were executed in 2005 in Iran, which has been heavily criticized within the international community for its laws and practices on capital punishment. [source - AFP]">>.
And,
<<<" Omar-khanah (Persian for "Omar's house") (pron. omar-khaneh in Farsi and omar-khanah in Urdu and Panjabi)in reference to Omar ibn al Khattab, the second Sunni Caliph. See also Shia view of Umar bin al-Khattab.
In Iranian and South-Asian Shi'a slang the omar-khanah designates the toilets or latrines. This scatological expression is typical of the Shi'a tradition of tabarra or disassociation from the enemies of Ahl ul Bayt (as). Cursing Abu Bakr (la), Omar (la) and Uthman (la) the first three caliphs of the Sunnis is a way of proving that one disassociates with the ennmies of Ahl ul Bayt (as). In this Omar (la) has a privileged position. Shi'a humour associates him with sodomy and other scatological themes such as faeces.One has to remember that this is even attested in Sunni sources. Omar (la) seems to have had zoophilic tendencies as attested by this Sunni hadith:
Umar ibn al Khattab placed his hand inside a camel's anus and commented 'I'm afraid that someone might ask me what is wrong with you.' Al-Tabaqat Al Kubra by Ibn Sa'd, Part 3, Page 286
Omar (la) also seems to have had homosexual tendencies as shown in this Sunni hadith:
"The Servant of Hadhrath Umar narrates when Umar would urinate he would call out to me to bring something with which he could clean himself, I would bring him a piece of wood or a stone, would hold Hadhrath Umar's penis and rub it against a wall or on the ground, Imam of Ahl as-Sunnah Baihaqi stated that of all types of wiping cleaning this is the most correct method". Fatawa Abdul Hai page 303
Based on the devient tendencies of Omar as attested by his own followers, many Shi'as have developped a whole slang and humour based on Omar ibn al Khattab (la).
Even in the diaspora this humour expresses itself easily in English as the following examples show:
To visit the three kings = to visit the toilet (three kings = three caliphs), To visit Omar = to visit the toilet, To give Omar chocolates = to defecate, To be an Omar pain = to be a pain in the anus, Omaroids = hemoroids
This article has only mentioned a few of these new uses but there is no doubt that even in the diasporic context tabarra humour finds new ways of expressing itself. A study of it in the context of the translatability of cultures is still pending.
Certain Sikhs use a variation of it, wazir-khanah (the house of Wazir) after the governor of Sirhind, Wazir Khan who had the two youngest sons of Guru Gobind Singh executed.Wazir-khanah also means toilet or latrine.
The sactological dimension of Omar (la) is further reinforced by the fact that he was stabbed by Abu Lulua (ra) in the anal region and bled to death in that way. His last words were:"Kill the son of a bitch!" (Compare with Imam Ali's (as) last words). Omar (la) thus confirms the saying: "He lived by the arse and died by the arse!"[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
These articles speak for themselves; hence no comment needed.
CONCLUSION:
Some continue to defend wrong and unnatural sexual practices with arguments that it is not wrong if between two consenting adults, but that as has been shown is contrary to the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
As stated previously, Vaginal intercourse is natural intercourse as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, intended for continuation of the human race and whose function is clearly attested to in medicine as the design function of the human body. All other sex is unnatural.
Unnatural sex can be many different forms of sex, but would definitely include all forms other than the natural vaginal sex. It would include lesbianism, oral, anal, etc. Even a cursory examination of the male and female body should reveal to any thinking person the natural intended use of the reproductive organs.
Yes, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, sanctified marriage between man and woman, but not for self-gratification through the unnatural use of the reproductive organs.
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NOTE: SPECIAL ON INJUSTICE BY ACTUAL EXAMPLE OF SHARI LAW WITH RESPECT RAPE:
SHARI LAW INJUSTICE TO RAPE VICTIMS, YES THIS TERRIBLE LAW ACTUALLY PUNISHES PEOPLE FOR BEING VICTIMS OF SEXUALLY DEVIANT MUSLIM MEN.
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Woman’s Rights In Saudi Arabia?
A 19-year-old gang rape VICTIM was sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in jail for the crime of indecency and speaking to the press. Yes, you read that right, the rape victim, the woman who was gang raped, is being flogged and jailed for six months.
Really Makes A Women Who Has Been Raped Eager To Turn In The Perpetrators
It’s hard to believe that there are people in this world who adhere to such cruel, archaic customs. Where is their sense of decency? Where is their brain? To punish a woman who has already been tortured in the worst way, where is their sense of compassion?
Makes you wonder why any American, especially a woman, would ever consider allowing Sharia law to exist in their country. When these liberal Sharia law advocates start getting flogged for their everyday actions they are going to change their tune fast!
In Saudi Arabia woman must be accompanied by a male guardian — typically a relative — at all times in public according to Sharia law. The rape victim violated this law by meeting a friend to retrieve a picture. Then she spoke to the press. Guess they’re not much for First Amendment rights either.
From Read Share
Saudi Arabia defended a controversial verdict sentencing a 19-year-old gang rape victim to 200 lashes and six months in jail. The Shi’ite Muslim woman had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicted of violating Saudi Arabia’s rigid Islamic Sharia law on segregation of the sexes.
The decision handed down by the Saudi General Court more than doubled her sentence last week. The court also roughly doubled the prison sentences for the seven men convicted of raping her, Saudi media said.
The upholding of a decision to punish the victim triggered international outcry.
Canada said it would complain to Saudi authorities about the sentence, described as “barbaric”’ by Jose Verger, the Canadian minister responsible for the status of women.
The New York based Human Rights Watch said the verdict “not only sends victims of sexual violence the message that they should not press charges, but in effect offers protection and impunity to the perpetrators.”
While not directly criticizing the Saudi Arabia’s judiciary, U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said, “I think when you look at the crime and the fact that now the victim is punished, I think that causes a fair degree of surprise and astonishment. It is within the power of the Saudi government to take a look at the verdict and change it.”
However, the Saudi judiciary stood by its decision. “The Ministry of Justice welcomes constructive criticism, away from emotions,” it said in a statement.
The statement also said that the “charges were proven” against the woman for having been in a car with a strange male, and repeated criticism of her lawyer for talking “defiantly” about the judicial system, saying “it has shown ignorance.”
The woman’s lawyer, Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, reached out to the media. The court has since banned him from further defending the woman, confiscating his license and summoning him to a disciplinary hearing later this month.
The justice ministry implied the victim’s sentence was increased because she had spoken out to the press. “For whoever has an objection on verdicts issued, the system allows to appeal without resorting to the media,” said the statement carried on the official Saudi Press Agency.
The rape took place in 2006. The victim said it occurred as she tried to retrieve her picture from a male high school student she used to know.
While in a car with the student, two men got into the vehicle and drove them to a secluded area. She said she was raped there by seven men, three of whom also attacked her friend.
The case was referred back to the General Court by an appeals court last summer, after the woman’s lawyer contested the initial verdict, saying it was too lenient for the rapists and unjust for the victim.
Editorial Footnote: The male friend of the female in this occurrence was also raped and he received the same punishment as she did. [SOURC - RETRIEVED FROM http://occupydeplorables.com/19-year-old-gang-rape-victim-to-receive-200-lashes-and-6-months-in-saudi-arabia-jail/ ON 6/5/2017]
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 538A]
Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. 9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Ephesians 1:8-10, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle Paul wrote the following Colossians 1:9, [AV] “For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;” in which he showed he was praying for all to seek knowledge and be filled with it. And at Romans 16:25, [AV] “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,” he wrote to note the importance of the gospel of Jesus (Yeshua). And at 2 Timothy 1:9, [AV] “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”
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[2] MODERN SEX PRACTICES VS. THE WORD OF GOD:
INTRODUCTION:
Many sex practices that would have been rejected outright as disgusting and against the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, are now considered okay by many of the 'new' generation. However, is this really the case?
All should bear in mind 1 Peter 4:18, "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" (Authorized King James Bible; AV); therefore, all should openly mindedly check out the facts. However, many so called moderns consider the disgusting unnatural forms of sex such as oral, anal, man-with-man, women-with-women, man-with-animal, women-with-animal, adult-with-child acceptable.
Now are these disgusting forms of unnatural sex acceptable to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is/
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT NATURAL AND UNNATURAL SEX:
First, one needs to understand the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, purpose for creating man and women as sexual beings. He made us this way and natural sex pleasurable to ensure the continuation of the human race.
Second, Vaginal intercourse is natural sex as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, intended for continuation of the human race and whose function is clearly attested to in medicine as the design function of the human body. All other sex is unnatural.
Third, Let's consider what the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, says on the matter at Romans 1:27-28, "Their women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and their men in turn, giving up natural relations with women, burn with lust for one another; males behave indecently with males and a paid in their own persons the fitting wage of such perversion. 28 Thus, because they have not seen fit to acknowledge God, he has given them up to their own depraved reason. This leads them to break all rules of conduct." (The New English Bible; NEB).
The scripture is clear when it says, ", "Their women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural..."
Natural intercourse = vaginal intercourse.
Unnatural intercourse (sex) = anything other than vaginal intercourse.
Fourth, This same scripture with comments in double brackets to bring out the significance of Romans 1:27-28, "Romans 1:27-28, "Their women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural[[A clear showing of Sodomy, note, the word unnatural contrasted to natural intercourse]], and their men in turn, giving up natural relations with women, burn with lust for one another; males behave indecently with males,[[A clear showing of Homosexuality, men burning in lust for other males]] and a paid in their own persons the fitting wage of such perversion. 28 Thus, because they have not seen fit to acknowledge God, he has given them up to their own depraved reason. This leads them to break all rules of conduct." (The New English Bible; NEB).
Fifth, An anatomy observation of the sexual organs of both sexes should be sufficient for anyone to see what their natural intended function is. I have been married for many years and neither I or my husband have ever had any problem with comprehending this so I am quite perplexed why you do. It is so elementary.
CONSENSUS AMONG WRONG DOERS VS. WORD OF GOD:
Many so called modern individuals wrongly believe that because the two individuals indulging in self-gratification through unnatural sexual acts and/or fornication do so by mutual consent that these wrong acts are okay and none of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, business. But is this so?
The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, clearly shows otherwise as previously shown with respect Romans 1:27-28. Likewise, the Bible clearly shows that we must properly train our conscience at Hebrews 9:14-15, "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 ¶ And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). And 2 Timothy 3:16-17 clearly shows that, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (AV).
As Colossians 3:5 shows, "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:" (AV) clearly referring to the sexual organs of male and female and showing per 1 Timothy 1:19, "Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:" (AV).
Let's now consider just what sin is by looking at 1 John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (AV); and 1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." (AV). As Galatians 5:19-21 states, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (AV); and as Mark 7:21-23 says, "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." (AV).
SEXUAL RELATIONS BEFORE MARRIAGE ARE WRONG:
The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, clearly shows sexual relations before and/or without marriage are just plain wrong, sin, at 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, "For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit." (AV); and Ephesians 5:5, "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." (AV).
And 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (AV).
HOMOSEXUALITY AND UNNATURAL SEX ACTS ARE JUST PLAIN SIN:
Today, many people believe homosexuality and unnatural sex acts such as oral and anal sex are just a different "life style" and should be respected. In fact, it has gotten so bad that some mainstream religions are even appointing homosexuals and practitioners of unnatural sex acts to high church positions. However, the Bible is clear on this wrong practice as shown at Romans 1:27-28, already explained and quoted, 1 Timothy 1:9-11, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust." (AV); and Jude 1:7-8, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 ¶ Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities." (AV); and Genesis 19:4-9 and 24-24, "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. 6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. 8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. 9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door." And "Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground." (AV).
Let's face it, the genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ well know that even deeply rooted wrong desires are not insurmountable for individuals who really want to please the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
SINFUL SEXUAL PRACTICES BY MUSLIMS AND APOSTATE (COUNTERFEIT) SO CALLED CHRISTIANS:
Let's look at some of the wrong sexual practices of apostate (counterfeit) so called Christian leaders and members of Islam as documented from world news and internet sources.
<<<" Among both apostate (counterfeit) Christians and members of Islam some practice deviant forms of sex and both religious groups say this is wrong, but wink at its practice. On 11/02/2006, one leading Evangelical leader was uncovered to be publicly denouncing homosexuality as condemned at Romans 1:27, "and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); here is the news account of this winking at wrong doing by The Rev. Ted Haggard, <<"CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer (11/03/2006), COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - A leading evangelist and outspoken opponent of gay marriage has given up his post as president of the National Association of Evangelicals while a church panel investigates allegations he paid a man for sex. The Rev. Ted Haggard resigned as head of the 30 million-member association Thursday and also gave up leadership of his New Life Church pending the investigation into allegations he had monthly trysts with a gay prostitute over the past three years...
"I just know that there has been some admission of indiscretion, not admission to all of the material that has been discussed, but there is an admission of some guilt," Ross Parsley told KKTV-TV of Colorado Springs.
Parlsey did not elaborate, but in an e-mail addressed to congregants, he wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had since met with Haggard. "It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver...
[outted by]Jones, who said he is gay, said he was also upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage. "It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," he said.
Jones claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. He said he advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and was contacted by a man who called himself Art, who snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience...
At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it's the best family unit for children.">> [[Note, the Los Angeles Times also had a very telling article on this, "Evangelical leader steps down amid allegations The Rev. Ted Haggard denies a man's public charges that the pastor of a mega-church had been paying him for sex. By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer (11/03/2006).]].
Of course this is no isolated case. The cases are so numerous that the accounts would definitely fill a library rack many meters or yards long. Some references on this dysfunction would be "The Church and the Homosexual Priest Facing the challenges and accepting the gifts offered by homosexual priests in the Catholic Church" by James Martin - in The National Catholic Weekly, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Rev. Donald B. Cozzens, Prince Charles Praises Openly Gay Anglican Priest, by Terry Vanderheyden, published Oct 11, 2006, by LifeSite News:, etc.
And this wrong practice is not limited just to apostate (counterfeit) Christians but the winking at violation of Romans 1:27 carries over into Ialam where gay members of Islam actually operate a web site implicitly implying Muhammad (pbuh) may have been gay, called Gay Egypt>com which states, "sponsors 3,500 forums for 175 million GAY muslims & their admirers across the Middle East, Africa, Asia, & Worldwide."
Gay Egypt said this of Muhammad (pbuh), <<"These essays reveal a forgotten history including the amazing saga of the Prophet Muhammad [(pbuh)]and Zaid Ibn Haritha. A story which has been suppressed in order to justify the persecution of gays in the name of Islam.
Zaid was a slave, a wedding gift from Muhammad's [(pbuh)'s] wealthy older bride Khadija, so there was no question of adultery under Sharia law. When the Prophet eventually freed Zaid, he proclaimed a formal partnership or union, equivalent to a marriage. Zaid became, in effect, a "male wife" who was equal in status to Khadija.
First with Zaid, and later with Ali, Muhammad [(pbuh)] formed a bond which was even closer than those of his ten "heterosexual marriages." Love that was tested through extreme adversity and martydom. [source - http://www.gayegypt.com/archivesonly.html]>>.
Of this organization, Newsweek said,<<"GayEgypt.com "pokes fun at Egypt's autocratic regime with an irreverence no domestic site would dare express,">>, and the The Middle East Times said, <<"GayEgypt.com has emerged as a key source of information and communication for the gay community in Egypt.">>.
Interestingly Islam is winking at this and doing nothing about Gay Egypt.com, nor are members of Islam protesting what most would take as a serious attack on their prophet's moral character; yet they rioted over silly cartoons of Muhammad (pbuh). Makes one wonder does it not? "[source - False Religion Spreads False Doctrine and Practice by Iris the Preacher - can be read at, http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?board=false&action=display&thread=1163033881 or
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ISLAM TACITLY CONDONES IMMORAL SEX:
Now Islam condemns what they see as immoral conditions in western lands, but it too permits immoral sex and sometimes severly punishes women who resist rape. Let's look at an actual case.
<<"Rape Victims Held Criminally Libel, a news item on page 17a, of the Sunday, June 2, 2002, The Palm Beach Post article, "Pakistani rape victims the criminals." This article stated, "The evidence of guilt was there for all to see: a newborn baby in the arms of its mother, a village woman named Zafran Bibi.
Her crime: She had been raped. Her sentence: death by stoning.
Thumping a fat red statute book, the white-bearded judge who convicted her, Anwar Ali Kahn, said he had simply followed the letter of the Koran based law, known as hudood, that mandates punishment.
Furthermore, he said, in accusing her brother-in-law of raping her, Zafran had confessed to her crime.
"The lady stated before this court that, yea, she had committed sexual intercourse, but with the brother of her husband," Judge Khan said. "This left no option to the court but to impose the highest penalty."
Although legal fine points do exist, little distinction is made in court between forced and consensual sex.
When hudood was enacted 23 years ago, the laws were formally described as measures to ban "all forms of adultery, whether the offense is committed with or without the consent of the parties." But women are almost always punished, whatever the facts.">>
This is of course absurd and a tacit approving of rape; a total injustice.
Here is another example,
<<"Imam justifies rape of unveiled women
Australian cleric compares victims to 'uncovered meat' that attracts cats
October 26, 2006
(c) 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Australia's top Muslim cleric rationalized a series of gang rapes by Arab men, blaming women who "sway suggestively," wear make-up and don't cover themselves in the tradition of Islam.
Sheik Ibrahim Mogra with Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly. (Courtesy Sydney Daily Telegraph)
Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly's comments in a Ramadan sermon in a Sydney mosque have stirred a furor in the country with even Prime Minister John Howard weighing in with condemnation.
The cleric also said the judge in the case, who sentenced the rapists, had "no mercy."
"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he said, referring to the women victims - whom he said were "weapons used by Satan."
The victims of the vicious gang rapes are leading the national outcry - with some calling for deportation of the sheik. In a Sydney Daily Telegraph online poll, 84 percent of people said the Egyptian-born sheik should be deported.
(Story continues below)
"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" the sheik said in his sermon. "The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
A 16-year-old girl, whose gang rape investigation was the subject of a secret police report, issued an open letter yesterday.
"You are a sad person who has no understanding of what really happens when these people inflict harm and degrading acts upon me or any other young girl," she said.
Initially, the mufti of Australia would not back away from his comments. But today he apologized.
"I unreservedly apologize to any woman who is offended by my comments," he said in a statement. "I had only intended to protect women's honor."
Howard said the sheik's remarks were "appalling and reprehensible." ">>
Now one can ask what was the antecedent for such an outrageous speech by the grand Mufti of Australia? Well, let's look at it.
<<" FrontPageMagazine.com | December 15, 2005
In Australia this week amidst anger over an Islamic man's rape conviction and the bashing of two Aussie life savers, working-class locals erupted in a rampage of anger and brawling in some of the worst racial riots in decades. But there is more to the story than is being repeated in the American mainstream media....
Four days after he set foot in Australia, the rape spree began. And during his sexual assault trial in a New South Wales courtroom, the Pakistani man began to berate one of his tearful 14-year-old victims because she had the temerity to shake her head at his testimony.
But she had every reason to express her disgust. After taking an oath on the Qur'an, the man - known only as MSK - told the court he had committed four attacks on girls as young as 13 because they had no right to say "no." They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed: "I'm not doing anything wrong."
MSK is already serving a 22-year jail term for leading his three younger brothers in a gang rape of two other young Sydney girls in 2002. In his own defense, he argued that his cultural background, was responsible for his crimes.">>.
Let's look at one more case so all can see they are noy isolated incidents,
7 January 2006 -- Iran's "Etemad" newspaper reports today that an 18-year-old woman has been sentenced to death by hanging for killing a man she said was trying to rape her.
The newspaper reported that the woman, identified only as Nazanin, testified during her trial that she and her niece were out with their boyfriends when they were accosted by two men who chased away the boyfriends then tried to rape the two young women.
Nazanin admitted stabbing one of the men to prevent her and her niece from being assaulted.
Nazanin was only 17 years old at the time, but under Iranian law a boy can be executed from the age of 15 and a girl from the age of nine.
At least 81 people were executed in 2005 in Iran, which has been heavily criticized within the international community for its laws and practices on capital punishment. [source - AFP]">>.
And,
<<<" Omar-khanah (Persian for "Omar's house") (pron. omar-khaneh in Farsi and omar-khanah in Urdu and Panjabi)in reference to Omar ibn al Khattab, the second Sunni Caliph. See also Shia view of Umar bin al-Khattab.
In Iranian and South-Asian Shi'a slang the omar-khanah designates the toilets or latrines. This scatological expression is typical of the Shi'a tradition of tabarra or disassociation from the enemies of Ahl ul Bayt (as). Cursing Abu Bakr (la), Omar (la) and Uthman (la) the first three caliphs of the Sunnis is a way of proving that one disassociates with the ennmies of Ahl ul Bayt (as). In this Omar (la) has a privileged position. Shi'a humour associates him with sodomy and other scatological themes such as faeces.One has to remember that this is even attested in Sunni sources. Omar (la) seems to have had zoophilic tendencies as attested by this Sunni hadith:
Umar ibn al Khattab placed his hand inside a camel's anus and commented 'I'm afraid that someone might ask me what is wrong with you.' Al-Tabaqat Al Kubra by Ibn Sa'd, Part 3, Page 286
Omar (la) also seems to have had homosexual tendencies as shown in this Sunni hadith:
"The Servant of Hadhrath Umar narrates when Umar would urinate he would call out to me to bring something with which he could clean himself, I would bring him a piece of wood or a stone, would hold Hadhrath Umar's penis and rub it against a wall or on the ground, Imam of Ahl as-Sunnah Baihaqi stated that of all types of wiping cleaning this is the most correct method". Fatawa Abdul Hai page 303
Based on the devient tendencies of Omar as attested by his own followers, many Shi'as have developped a whole slang and humour based on Omar ibn al Khattab (la).
Even in the diaspora this humour expresses itself easily in English as the following examples show:
To visit the three kings = to visit the toilet (three kings = three caliphs), To visit Omar = to visit the toilet, To give Omar chocolates = to defecate, To be an Omar pain = to be a pain in the anus, Omaroids = hemoroids
This article has only mentioned a few of these new uses but there is no doubt that even in the diasporic context tabarra humour finds new ways of expressing itself. A study of it in the context of the translatability of cultures is still pending.
Certain Sikhs use a variation of it, wazir-khanah (the house of Wazir) after the governor of Sirhind, Wazir Khan who had the two youngest sons of Guru Gobind Singh executed.Wazir-khanah also means toilet or latrine.
The sactological dimension of Omar (la) is further reinforced by the fact that he was stabbed by Abu Lulua (ra) in the anal region and bled to death in that way. His last words were:"Kill the son of a bitch!" (Compare with Imam Ali's (as) last words). Omar (la) thus confirms the saying: "He lived by the arse and died by the arse!"[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
These articles speak for themselves; hence no comment needed.
CONCLUSION:
Some continue to defend wrong and unnatural sexual practices with arguments that it is not wrong if between two consenting adults, but that as has been shown is contrary to the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
As stated previously, Vaginal intercourse is natural intercourse as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, intended for continuation of the human race and whose function is clearly attested to in medicine as the design function of the human body. All other sex is unnatural.
Unnatural sex can be many different forms of sex, but would definitely include all forms other than the natural vaginal sex. It would include lesbianism, oral, anal, etc. Even a cursory examination of the male and female body should reveal to any thinking person the natural intended use of the reproductive organs.
Yes, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, sanctified marriage between man and woman, but not for self-gratification through the unnatural use of the reproductive organs.
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NOTE: SPECIAL ON INJUSTICE BY ACTUAL EXAMPLE OF SHARI LAW WITH RESPECT RAPE:
SHARI LAW INJUSTICE TO RAPE VICTIMS, YES THIS TERRIBLE LAW ACTUALLY PUNISHES PEOPLE FOR BEING VICTIMS OF SEXUALLY DEVIANT MUSLIM MEN.
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Woman’s Rights In Saudi Arabia?
A 19-year-old gang rape VICTIM was sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in jail for the crime of indecency and speaking to the press. Yes, you read that right, the rape victim, the woman who was gang raped, is being flogged and jailed for six months.
Really Makes A Women Who Has Been Raped Eager To Turn In The Perpetrators
It’s hard to believe that there are people in this world who adhere to such cruel, archaic customs. Where is their sense of decency? Where is their brain? To punish a woman who has already been tortured in the worst way, where is their sense of compassion?
Makes you wonder why any American, especially a woman, would ever consider allowing Sharia law to exist in their country. When these liberal Sharia law advocates start getting flogged for their everyday actions they are going to change their tune fast!
In Saudi Arabia woman must be accompanied by a male guardian — typically a relative — at all times in public according to Sharia law. The rape victim violated this law by meeting a friend to retrieve a picture. Then she spoke to the press. Guess they’re not much for First Amendment rights either.
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Saudi Arabia defended a controversial verdict sentencing a 19-year-old gang rape victim to 200 lashes and six months in jail. The Shi’ite Muslim woman had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicted of violating Saudi Arabia’s rigid Islamic Sharia law on segregation of the sexes.
The decision handed down by the Saudi General Court more than doubled her sentence last week. The court also roughly doubled the prison sentences for the seven men convicted of raping her, Saudi media said.
The upholding of a decision to punish the victim triggered international outcry.
Canada said it would complain to Saudi authorities about the sentence, described as “barbaric”’ by Jose Verger, the Canadian minister responsible for the status of women.
The New York based Human Rights Watch said the verdict “not only sends victims of sexual violence the message that they should not press charges, but in effect offers protection and impunity to the perpetrators.”
While not directly criticizing the Saudi Arabia’s judiciary, U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said, “I think when you look at the crime and the fact that now the victim is punished, I think that causes a fair degree of surprise and astonishment. It is within the power of the Saudi government to take a look at the verdict and change it.”
However, the Saudi judiciary stood by its decision. “The Ministry of Justice welcomes constructive criticism, away from emotions,” it said in a statement.
The statement also said that the “charges were proven” against the woman for having been in a car with a strange male, and repeated criticism of her lawyer for talking “defiantly” about the judicial system, saying “it has shown ignorance.”
The woman’s lawyer, Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, reached out to the media. The court has since banned him from further defending the woman, confiscating his license and summoning him to a disciplinary hearing later this month.
The justice ministry implied the victim’s sentence was increased because she had spoken out to the press. “For whoever has an objection on verdicts issued, the system allows to appeal without resorting to the media,” said the statement carried on the official Saudi Press Agency.
The rape took place in 2006. The victim said it occurred as she tried to retrieve her picture from a male high school student she used to know.
While in a car with the student, two men got into the vehicle and drove them to a secluded area. She said she was raped there by seven men, three of whom also attacked her friend.
The case was referred back to the General Court by an appeals court last summer, after the woman’s lawyer contested the initial verdict, saying it was too lenient for the rapists and unjust for the victim.
Editorial Footnote: The male friend of the female in this occurrence was also raped and he received the same punishment as she did. [SOURC - RETRIEVED FROM http://occupydeplorables.com/19-year-old-gang-rape-victim-to-receive-200-lashes-and-6-months-in-saudi-arabia-jail/ ON 6/5/2017]
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 539A]
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:1 – 3, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle Paul although a prisoner wrote at Ephesians 6:20, [AV] “For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.” Yes, he spoke boldly, but cautioned all followers of Jesus (Yeshua) to per Philippians 1:27, [AV] “Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;” He cautioned all at Romans 12:3, [AV] “For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.” Lastly stated should be one in purpose at Romans 12:5, [AV] “So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia magnifolia , (Giant Leaf Madrono), Other Names: Charichuela,
Related To: [Clusiaceae] Mangosteen, Imbe, Mameyito
Main Uses: Fruit, Ornamental
Growth Rate: Slow to moderate. Grows "exponentially;" the bigger it is, the faster it grows.
Mature Height/Spread: Small understory tree, to 20'
Flowering/Pollination: Self-fertile flowers are born in clusters on wood that is at least 2 years old.
Tolerance: No salt tolerance. Moderate drought tolerance.
Soil/Nutrition: Tree is adaptable to many soil types, but on neutral, deficient, or alkaline soils, like many American garcinia species it may suffer from iron defiency. Micronutrient supplements both in the soil and as a foliar spray are highly recommended to keep all garcinias growing happily and constantly, under cultivation.
Light: Part shade to full sun. Can grow in full shade, but fruiting will be limited.
Wind: Small, sturdy tree.
Temperature: Tropical, to warm subtropics. Will survive brief frosts; mature trees survive short 27-28 F degree drops without much harm. Young trees will be killed by temperatures below freezing, requiring juvenile protection from cold.
Dangers: None.
Diseases Prone:
Bearing Age: 5-7 years from seed. Trees are not as prolific as other closely relatedgarcinia species, with mature trees bearing perhaps 200 fruit in a good year.
Fruit: The fruit wall is firm, about 1/4" inch thick, and inedible, containing a stick yellow latex. Inside are seeded segments surrounded, edible whitish flesh of an agreeable sub-acid to sour flavor. Fruits occur twice a year, in the spring and fall.
History/Origin: Native throughout the Amazon basin in South America.
Species Observations:
Propogation: Exclusively by seeds, which must be planted soon after harvest and not allowed to dry out. Seeds can be slow to germinate, sometimes taking 3 weeks.
Container Culture: Like many garcinia species of small stature, it is possible to grow this species in 15 to 25 gallon containers.
Medicinal Uses:
Nutritional Information:
Preparation / Food: Fruits are eaten fresh. Rind is scored around the equator, with care to to get the bitter sap on the edible portion, and the segmented flesh is eaten. [source - retrieved from http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/giant-leaf-madrono/ on 8/14/2014]
Garcinia magnifolia 4x4x10 tree pot
Syn. Rheedia magnifolia. Family: Clusiaceae. Common Name: madrono. One of several species with the common name madorno. Prized in South America for its edible fruit. Medium sized tree with large dark green leathery leaves. Young plants need some shade. Protect from dry wind. Prefers a slightly acidic soil high in organic matter. Use a complete fertilizer with micro nutrients. Iron and magnesium help maintain deep green color. This species was formerly classified as Rheedia magnifolia. Botanist moved all of the South American Rheedia species into the genus Garcinia. This species is not expected to tolerate cool or cold temperatures. The tree pots are 10 inches deep. When transplanting into a larger pot be sure to use one at least 12 inches deep. [source - retrieved from http://www.store.hawaiiantropicalplants.com/Garcinia-magnifolia-4x4x10-tree-pot-1576.htm on 8/14/2014]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
To view fruit, go to http://www.indonesiatraveling.com/component/content/article/1326-trees-fruit-/10072-garcinia-magnifolia.html
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 539A]
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:1 – 3, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle Paul although a prisoner wrote at Ephesians 6:20, [AV] “For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.” Yes, he spoke boldly, but cautioned all followers of Jesus (Yeshua) to per Philippians 1:27, [AV] “Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;” He cautioned all at Romans 12:3, [AV] “For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.” Lastly stated should be one in purpose at Romans 12:5, [AV] “So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.”
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Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth. "Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to WWW.JW.ORG!
[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia magnifolia , (Giant Leaf Madrono), Other Names: Charichuela,
Related To: [Clusiaceae] Mangosteen, Imbe, Mameyito
Main Uses: Fruit, Ornamental
Growth Rate: Slow to moderate. Grows "exponentially;" the bigger it is, the faster it grows.
Mature Height/Spread: Small understory tree, to 20'
Flowering/Pollination: Self-fertile flowers are born in clusters on wood that is at least 2 years old.
Tolerance: No salt tolerance. Moderate drought tolerance.
Soil/Nutrition: Tree is adaptable to many soil types, but on neutral, deficient, or alkaline soils, like many American garcinia species it may suffer from iron defiency. Micronutrient supplements both in the soil and as a foliar spray are highly recommended to keep all garcinias growing happily and constantly, under cultivation.
Light: Part shade to full sun. Can grow in full shade, but fruiting will be limited.
Wind: Small, sturdy tree.
Temperature: Tropical, to warm subtropics. Will survive brief frosts; mature trees survive short 27-28 F degree drops without much harm. Young trees will be killed by temperatures below freezing, requiring juvenile protection from cold.
Dangers: None.
Diseases Prone:
Bearing Age: 5-7 years from seed. Trees are not as prolific as other closely relatedgarcinia species, with mature trees bearing perhaps 200 fruit in a good year.
Fruit: The fruit wall is firm, about 1/4" inch thick, and inedible, containing a stick yellow latex. Inside are seeded segments surrounded, edible whitish flesh of an agreeable sub-acid to sour flavor. Fruits occur twice a year, in the spring and fall.
History/Origin: Native throughout the Amazon basin in South America.
Species Observations:
Propogation: Exclusively by seeds, which must be planted soon after harvest and not allowed to dry out. Seeds can be slow to germinate, sometimes taking 3 weeks.
Container Culture: Like many garcinia species of small stature, it is possible to grow this species in 15 to 25 gallon containers.
Medicinal Uses:
Nutritional Information:
Preparation / Food: Fruits are eaten fresh. Rind is scored around the equator, with care to to get the bitter sap on the edible portion, and the segmented flesh is eaten. [source - retrieved from http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/giant-leaf-madrono/ on 8/14/2014]
Garcinia magnifolia 4x4x10 tree pot
Syn. Rheedia magnifolia. Family: Clusiaceae. Common Name: madrono. One of several species with the common name madorno. Prized in South America for its edible fruit. Medium sized tree with large dark green leathery leaves. Young plants need some shade. Protect from dry wind. Prefers a slightly acidic soil high in organic matter. Use a complete fertilizer with micro nutrients. Iron and magnesium help maintain deep green color. This species was formerly classified as Rheedia magnifolia. Botanist moved all of the South American Rheedia species into the genus Garcinia. This species is not expected to tolerate cool or cold temperatures. The tree pots are 10 inches deep. When transplanting into a larger pot be sure to use one at least 12 inches deep. [source - retrieved from http://www.store.hawaiiantropicalplants.com/Garcinia-magnifolia-4x4x10-tree-pot-1576.htm on 8/14/2014]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
To view fruit, go to http://www.indonesiatraveling.com/component/content/article/1326-trees-fruit-/10072-garcinia-magnifolia.html
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] BOOK REVIEW SHOWS QURAN A KNOCKOFF OF THE BIBLE
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 540A]
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. James 4:6, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) gives to the humble, but resist the proud as revealed at James 4:6, [AV] “But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.” He shall per Isaiah 4:11, [AV] “The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.”
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Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth. "Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to WWW.JW.ORG!
[2 BOOK REVIEW SHOWS QURAN A KNOCKOFF OF THE BIBLE
INTRODUCTION:
A book review of Christoph Luxenberg, a world renown linguistic scholar, clearly reveals that the Quran is nothing but a distorted knockoff of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
This book review is contained in, "HUGOYE: JOURNAL OF SYRIAC STUDIES," book review of Christoph Luxenberg (ps.) Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache. Berlin, Germany: Das Arabische Buch, First Edition, 2000. Pp. ix + 306, Vol. 6, No. 1, January 2003.
[http://syrcom.cua.edu/Hugoye/Vol6No1/HV6N1PRPhenixHorn.html ]
THE EVIDENCE:
Let's look at the evidence contained in the book review of Christoph Luxenberg's latest book in German, "Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache." He clearly shows that the Quran draws on personal names of Biblical origins, that the name "Quran' even indicates its origin, that it was NEVER intended to replace the written source - the Bible, that it was distorted from the writings of Muhammad early on, as follows:
<<<"The rest of the section draws on personal names of Biblical origin in the Qur'an to demonstrate that the so-called Arabic matres lectionis, 'alif, waw, and ya, must also be polyvalent. Luxenberg points out that Islamic tradition admits a reading of the mater for long /a/ in certain instances as /e/ because this pronunciation was a peculiarity of the Arabic of Mecca. Luxenberg shows that the term harf, "sign" must also carry a meaning synonymous to qira'at, "(way of) reading" and that this is not only supplying the vowels in an unvocalized text, but also supplying the diacritical points that distinguish consonants. It is only gradually that these diacritical points became fixed so that consonants came to have just one reading. This process of determining the value of each letter of the Qur'an unfolded over some three hundred years. This is known from the oldest manuscripts of the Qur'an which do not have the diacritical points distinguishing readings of a single consonant. By the time these became commonly used, Arabian commentators were no longer aware that many words were either straight Aramaic or were calques peculiar to Meccan Arabic. From this resulted the difficulties that the Qur'an posed to even the earliest Arabian commentators...
The section concludes by demonstrating that the technical meaning of "lectionary" is preserved in the word qur'an. Most striking is the conclusion that the term umm kitab, an aramaism, must be a written source and that the Qur'an was never intended to replace this written source. One might complain that the details of the argument for the reading of suras 12:1-2 and 3:7 are squeezed into footnotes, but nevertheless the argument is clear. Luxenberg proves that the term qur'an itself is the key to unlocking the passages that have given commentators in and outside of the tradition frustration. If quryan means "lectionary," and if the text itself claims to be a clarification of an earlier text, then that earlier text must be written in another language. The only candidate is the Old and New Testament in Syriac, the Peshitta. Hence the influence of Aramaic on the Arabic of Muhammad has an identifiable, textual origin. At the very end of the work, Luxenberg makes a compelling argument that sura 108 is a close allusion to the Peshitta of 1 Peter 5:8-9. Indeed this sura, which is only three lines long, is one of the most difficult passages for the Arabian as well as the Western commentators. Luxenberg shows why: it is composed of transcriptions into Arabic writing of the Syriac New Testament text, i.e., there is almost no "Arabic" in the sura. These are "revealed" texts, and insofar as the Qur'an contains quotations or paraphrases of them, the Qur'an is also "revealed." ...
Many dialects of Arabic existed at the time of Muhammad. In the ten places where the Qur'an claims to have been written in Arabic, Luxenberg shows first that these passages have grammatical forms which are difficult for the commentators and have varying interpretations among the translators. He notes that in sura 41:44, the Arabic fassala means "to divide," but the context here requires "make distinct" or better "interpret." Nowhere else does the Arabic word have this meaning, and the Syriac-Arabic lexica do not give the one as a translation for the other; tarjama (a direct borrowing from Syriac) is the usual Arabic word for "interpret." However, the Syriac praš / parreš can mean both "divide" as well as "interpret" (like Hebrew hibdil; also this is an example of a "semantic calque" mentioned above). Tabari too understands fassala to be a synonym for bayyana (sura 44:3), which also has the meaning "interpret." Sura 41:44 also clearly attests to a source for the Qur'an that is written in a foreign language. Luxenberg, following Tabari, notes a corruption in the text of this verse that clearly shows that part of the Qur'an has a non-Arabic source. His argument here is somewhat weak if not for the further evidence deduced from eleven other locations in the Qur'an where Luxenberg consistently applies these and similar arguments to difficulties all of which center on the terms related to the revelation and language of the Qur'an. These arguments leave little doubt, that Luxenberg has uncovered a key misunderstanding of these terms throughout the Qur'an....
In section twelve Luxenberg demonstrates that not only the origin and language of the Qur'an are different from what the commentators who wrote two hundred years after its inception claim it to be, but that several key passages contain words or idioms that were borrowed from Syriac into Arabic. From his analysis of sura 19:24 (in the so-called "Marian Sura"): "Then he called to her from beneath her: 'Grieve not; thy Lord hath placed beneath thee a streamlet,'" he concludes that it should be read "He called to her immediately after her laying-down (to give birth 'Grieve not; thy Lord has made your laying-down legitimate.'" Luxenberg's lengthy discussion of the complexities of this passage resolve grammatical difficulties in the Arabic in a way that fits the context: Jesus gives Mary the courage to face her relatives even with a child born out of wedlock. The section then presents lengthy arguments dealing with various lexical, morphological, syntactic and versification problems in sura 11:116-117...
In that same section, one also finds a study of how Syriac roots were misread and altered by later commentators. In one case, the word jaw (sura 16:79) misread "air, atmosphere" is from Syriac gaw, which means both "insides, inner part" and can also be used as a preposition meaning "inside." In sura 16:79 Luxenberg demonstrates that the prepositional use makes more sense than the solution posed by the commentators. Classical Arabic grammar, which was created three hundred years after the Qur'an, does not recall the prepositional meaning of the word. However, dialects of Arabic preserve the original Syriac prepositional use. So where sura 16:79 reads fi jaw as-sama' "in(side) heaven" referring to birds held aloft and kept from falling down by God, the dialects agree: fi jawwat al-bet "inside the house" is perfectly good Arabic. The misreading of Qur'anic Arabic jaw as "air" has become part of the technical vocabulary of modern standard Arabic: "air mail," "air force," "airline," and "weather report" all use jaw. The imaginary meaning of the grammarians lives on. ...
Section sixteen follows this investigation as it points to a similar misreading of paradise's grapes as youths, Arabic wildun. Sura 76:19 "Round amongst them go boys of perpetual youth, whom when one see, he thinks them pearls unstrung" (sura 16.1, citing Bell's translation). Wildun is a genuinely Arabic word, but it is used in a sense which is borrowed from Syriac yalda. Youths like pearls is somewhat suspicious, especially given that "pearls" are a metaphor for the grapes of paradise from the previous section. Luxenberg uncovered that Syriac has the expression yalda dagpetta, "child of the vine," appearing in the Peshitta: Matthew 26:29, Mark 14:25, and Luke 22:18, in which Christ foreshadows his death and resurrection: "I will not drink of this child of the vine (yalda dagpetta) until the day when I drink it new in the kingdom of my Father." Here it is the juice of the grape that is the "child." Entries in the Arabic-Syriac lexica for each of yalda and gpetta give in addition to "child" and "vine" "fruit" and "wine," respectively. Luxenberg gives further evidence from suras 37:45, 43:71, and 76:15 that Ephraem the Syrian's depiction of the grapes of paradise is behind the original Qur'anic text.
A central question that this investigation raises is the motivation of cUthman in preparing his redaction of the Qur'an. Luxenberg presents the two hadith traditions recounting how cUthman came to possess the first manuscript. If Luxenberg's analysis is even in broad outline correct, the content of the Qur'an was substantially different at the time of Muhammad and cUthman's redaction played a part in the misreading of key passages. Were these misreadings intentional or not? The misreadings in general alter the Qur'an from a book that is more or less harmonious with the New Testament and Syriac Christian liturgy and literature to one that is distinct, of independent origin. " [source - book review is contained in, "HUGOYE: JOURNAL OF SYRIAC STUDIES," book review of Christoph Luxenberg (ps.) Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache. Berlin, Germany: Das Arabische Buch, First Edition, 2000. Pp. ix + 306, Vol. 6, No. 1, January 2003.]>>>.
CONCLUSION:
The inescapable conclusion is that Muhammad (pbuh) used the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, as his guide without giving credit to the source which is called plagiarism, and that at a later date, the Quran was corrupted by those who did not fully comprehend the specific dialect it was written in.
To learn even more with respect the Quran just being a distorted Bible knockoff, go to the following,
[1] Apparent Contradictions in the Bible Compared To Real Ones In The Quran and the Book of Mormon: at,
http://religious-truths.forums.com/default/apparent-contradictions-in-the-bible-compared-to-real-ones-in-the-quran-and-the?replies=1#post-80
[2] The Bible's Correctness is Testified to In The Quran: at,
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-176.html
[3] Contradictions in the Quran at,
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-177.html
[4] God's Word The Bible Proven Un-Changeable by the Quran: at,
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-178.html
[5] Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran: at,
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-179.html
[6] Now let's get down to reality On The Bible, The Quran - Without Word Games:
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-179-post-1099.html#pid1099
[7] Digital Book on the Quran and Quranic Contradictions With Proof
http://religioustruthsbyiris.freeforums.org/post155.html#p155
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 540A]
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. James 4:6, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) gives to the humble, but resist the proud as revealed at James 4:6, [AV] “But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.” He shall per Isaiah 4:11, [AV] “The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.”
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RELIGION AND THE BIBLE, GO TO,
1) http://iris89.conforums.com/
2) http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/
3) http://religioustruths.lefora.com/
4) http://religioustruths.boardhost.com/
5) http://religioustruths.forumsland.com/
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[2 BOOK REVIEW SHOWS QURAN A KNOCKOFF OF THE BIBLE
INTRODUCTION:
A book review of Christoph Luxenberg, a world renown linguistic scholar, clearly reveals that the Quran is nothing but a distorted knockoff of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
This book review is contained in, "HUGOYE: JOURNAL OF SYRIAC STUDIES," book review of Christoph Luxenberg (ps.) Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache. Berlin, Germany: Das Arabische Buch, First Edition, 2000. Pp. ix + 306, Vol. 6, No. 1, January 2003.
[http://syrcom.cua.edu/Hugoye/Vol6No1/HV6N1PRPhenixHorn.html ]
THE EVIDENCE:
Let's look at the evidence contained in the book review of Christoph Luxenberg's latest book in German, "Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache." He clearly shows that the Quran draws on personal names of Biblical origins, that the name "Quran' even indicates its origin, that it was NEVER intended to replace the written source - the Bible, that it was distorted from the writings of Muhammad early on, as follows:
<<<"The rest of the section draws on personal names of Biblical origin in the Qur'an to demonstrate that the so-called Arabic matres lectionis, 'alif, waw, and ya, must also be polyvalent. Luxenberg points out that Islamic tradition admits a reading of the mater for long /a/ in certain instances as /e/ because this pronunciation was a peculiarity of the Arabic of Mecca. Luxenberg shows that the term harf, "sign" must also carry a meaning synonymous to qira'at, "(way of) reading" and that this is not only supplying the vowels in an unvocalized text, but also supplying the diacritical points that distinguish consonants. It is only gradually that these diacritical points became fixed so that consonants came to have just one reading. This process of determining the value of each letter of the Qur'an unfolded over some three hundred years. This is known from the oldest manuscripts of the Qur'an which do not have the diacritical points distinguishing readings of a single consonant. By the time these became commonly used, Arabian commentators were no longer aware that many words were either straight Aramaic or were calques peculiar to Meccan Arabic. From this resulted the difficulties that the Qur'an posed to even the earliest Arabian commentators...
The section concludes by demonstrating that the technical meaning of "lectionary" is preserved in the word qur'an. Most striking is the conclusion that the term umm kitab, an aramaism, must be a written source and that the Qur'an was never intended to replace this written source. One might complain that the details of the argument for the reading of suras 12:1-2 and 3:7 are squeezed into footnotes, but nevertheless the argument is clear. Luxenberg proves that the term qur'an itself is the key to unlocking the passages that have given commentators in and outside of the tradition frustration. If quryan means "lectionary," and if the text itself claims to be a clarification of an earlier text, then that earlier text must be written in another language. The only candidate is the Old and New Testament in Syriac, the Peshitta. Hence the influence of Aramaic on the Arabic of Muhammad has an identifiable, textual origin. At the very end of the work, Luxenberg makes a compelling argument that sura 108 is a close allusion to the Peshitta of 1 Peter 5:8-9. Indeed this sura, which is only three lines long, is one of the most difficult passages for the Arabian as well as the Western commentators. Luxenberg shows why: it is composed of transcriptions into Arabic writing of the Syriac New Testament text, i.e., there is almost no "Arabic" in the sura. These are "revealed" texts, and insofar as the Qur'an contains quotations or paraphrases of them, the Qur'an is also "revealed." ...
Many dialects of Arabic existed at the time of Muhammad. In the ten places where the Qur'an claims to have been written in Arabic, Luxenberg shows first that these passages have grammatical forms which are difficult for the commentators and have varying interpretations among the translators. He notes that in sura 41:44, the Arabic fassala means "to divide," but the context here requires "make distinct" or better "interpret." Nowhere else does the Arabic word have this meaning, and the Syriac-Arabic lexica do not give the one as a translation for the other; tarjama (a direct borrowing from Syriac) is the usual Arabic word for "interpret." However, the Syriac praš / parreš can mean both "divide" as well as "interpret" (like Hebrew hibdil; also this is an example of a "semantic calque" mentioned above). Tabari too understands fassala to be a synonym for bayyana (sura 44:3), which also has the meaning "interpret." Sura 41:44 also clearly attests to a source for the Qur'an that is written in a foreign language. Luxenberg, following Tabari, notes a corruption in the text of this verse that clearly shows that part of the Qur'an has a non-Arabic source. His argument here is somewhat weak if not for the further evidence deduced from eleven other locations in the Qur'an where Luxenberg consistently applies these and similar arguments to difficulties all of which center on the terms related to the revelation and language of the Qur'an. These arguments leave little doubt, that Luxenberg has uncovered a key misunderstanding of these terms throughout the Qur'an....
In section twelve Luxenberg demonstrates that not only the origin and language of the Qur'an are different from what the commentators who wrote two hundred years after its inception claim it to be, but that several key passages contain words or idioms that were borrowed from Syriac into Arabic. From his analysis of sura 19:24 (in the so-called "Marian Sura"): "Then he called to her from beneath her: 'Grieve not; thy Lord hath placed beneath thee a streamlet,'" he concludes that it should be read "He called to her immediately after her laying-down (to give birth 'Grieve not; thy Lord has made your laying-down legitimate.'" Luxenberg's lengthy discussion of the complexities of this passage resolve grammatical difficulties in the Arabic in a way that fits the context: Jesus gives Mary the courage to face her relatives even with a child born out of wedlock. The section then presents lengthy arguments dealing with various lexical, morphological, syntactic and versification problems in sura 11:116-117...
In that same section, one also finds a study of how Syriac roots were misread and altered by later commentators. In one case, the word jaw (sura 16:79) misread "air, atmosphere" is from Syriac gaw, which means both "insides, inner part" and can also be used as a preposition meaning "inside." In sura 16:79 Luxenberg demonstrates that the prepositional use makes more sense than the solution posed by the commentators. Classical Arabic grammar, which was created three hundred years after the Qur'an, does not recall the prepositional meaning of the word. However, dialects of Arabic preserve the original Syriac prepositional use. So where sura 16:79 reads fi jaw as-sama' "in(side) heaven" referring to birds held aloft and kept from falling down by God, the dialects agree: fi jawwat al-bet "inside the house" is perfectly good Arabic. The misreading of Qur'anic Arabic jaw as "air" has become part of the technical vocabulary of modern standard Arabic: "air mail," "air force," "airline," and "weather report" all use jaw. The imaginary meaning of the grammarians lives on. ...
Section sixteen follows this investigation as it points to a similar misreading of paradise's grapes as youths, Arabic wildun. Sura 76:19 "Round amongst them go boys of perpetual youth, whom when one see, he thinks them pearls unstrung" (sura 16.1, citing Bell's translation). Wildun is a genuinely Arabic word, but it is used in a sense which is borrowed from Syriac yalda. Youths like pearls is somewhat suspicious, especially given that "pearls" are a metaphor for the grapes of paradise from the previous section. Luxenberg uncovered that Syriac has the expression yalda dagpetta, "child of the vine," appearing in the Peshitta: Matthew 26:29, Mark 14:25, and Luke 22:18, in which Christ foreshadows his death and resurrection: "I will not drink of this child of the vine (yalda dagpetta) until the day when I drink it new in the kingdom of my Father." Here it is the juice of the grape that is the "child." Entries in the Arabic-Syriac lexica for each of yalda and gpetta give in addition to "child" and "vine" "fruit" and "wine," respectively. Luxenberg gives further evidence from suras 37:45, 43:71, and 76:15 that Ephraem the Syrian's depiction of the grapes of paradise is behind the original Qur'anic text.
A central question that this investigation raises is the motivation of cUthman in preparing his redaction of the Qur'an. Luxenberg presents the two hadith traditions recounting how cUthman came to possess the first manuscript. If Luxenberg's analysis is even in broad outline correct, the content of the Qur'an was substantially different at the time of Muhammad and cUthman's redaction played a part in the misreading of key passages. Were these misreadings intentional or not? The misreadings in general alter the Qur'an from a book that is more or less harmonious with the New Testament and Syriac Christian liturgy and literature to one that is distinct, of independent origin. " [source - book review is contained in, "HUGOYE: JOURNAL OF SYRIAC STUDIES," book review of Christoph Luxenberg (ps.) Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache. Berlin, Germany: Das Arabische Buch, First Edition, 2000. Pp. ix + 306, Vol. 6, No. 1, January 2003.]>>>.
CONCLUSION:
The inescapable conclusion is that Muhammad (pbuh) used the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, as his guide without giving credit to the source which is called plagiarism, and that at a later date, the Quran was corrupted by those who did not fully comprehend the specific dialect it was written in.
To learn even more with respect the Quran just being a distorted Bible knockoff, go to the following,
[1] Apparent Contradictions in the Bible Compared To Real Ones In The Quran and the Book of Mormon: at,
http://religious-truths.forums.com/default/apparent-contradictions-in-the-bible-compared-to-real-ones-in-the-quran-and-the?replies=1#post-80
[2] The Bible's Correctness is Testified to In The Quran: at,
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-176.html
[3] Contradictions in the Quran at,
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-177.html
[4] God's Word The Bible Proven Un-Changeable by the Quran: at,
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-178.html
[5] Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran: at,
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-179.html
[6] Now let's get down to reality On The Bible, The Quran - Without Word Games:
http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/thread-179-post-1099.html#pid1099
[7] Digital Book on the Quran and Quranic Contradictions With Proof
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MONOTHEIST AND POLYTHEIST IS IN WHO THEY WORSHIP:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 541A]
A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time. Isaiah 60:22, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle John in a vision saw as recorded at Revelation 7:9 – 10, [AV] “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.” But the meaning of this vision has only come to light in this time of the end just as the Prophet Habakkuk stated at Habakkuk 2:3, [AV] “For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.”
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[2] DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MONOTHEIST AND POLYTHEIST IS IN WHO THEY WORSHIP:
INTRODUCTION:
Many truly are ignorant and have a misconception between the difference between a Monotheist and a Polytheist and do NOT realize the difference is with respect whom they worship and NOT who is or is NOT a god or god(s). Let's get an accurate understanding with respect the meaning of these two words so the remainder of this article will have real meaning.
The standard dictionary definition for monotheism is confusing as it really embraces that which is really polytheist, i.e., the Trinity. This biased definition, which is refuted by both genuine (true) Christians and members of Islam in that both groups define monotheism as the worship of one supreme god whom both say is the creator in the singular tense. Of course, these two groups differ with respect to whom they consider is the creator.
Genuine (true) Christians believe the creator is the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is; whereas, members of Islam believe in another, a mythical god, Al-Ilah, the god [al-, the + 'ilah, god], where some of them claim Ilah means the 'only one' in Arabic, they commonly call this mythical god, Allah, and wrongly claim he is the creator.
Many religions have many gods that they worship such as the Hindus and apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians, but herein lies the confusion. Both the Hindus and apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians have so called Trinities of gods.
In Hinduism this triad of gods consist of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer as the three highest manifestations of the one ultimate reality. The last part where it is said that the three are one ultimate reality or three separate gods make one god is what causes confusion with respect who is a Monotheist and who is a Polytheist.
In apostate (counterfeit) Christianity this triad of gods consist Jehovah (YHWH) - Almighty God; his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ ; and the Holy Spirit - the active force and/or power of Jehovah (YHWH) as shown by the ancient Hebrew word which came from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit."
This fact with respect the Holy Spirit in Koine Greek is the ancient Greek word for spirit (pneu'ma) is used, the neuter pronoun "it" is properly employed. This fact is conveniently over looked or hidden by most Trinitarian translators as admitted in the "New American Bible Catholic Bible," regarding John 14:17: "The Greek word for 'Spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English ('he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ 'it.'" So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection with pa•ra'kle•tos at John 16:7, 8, it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine. This causes a lot of confusion and many are mislead by it.
The common, but erroneous, definition of Monotheism is as follows: <<<"Belief in the existence of one god. It is distinguished from polytheism. The earliest known instance of monotheism dates to the reign of Akhenaton of Egypt in the 14th century BC. Monotheism is characteristic of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, all of which view God as the creator of the world, who oversees and intervenes in human events, and as a beneficent and holy being, the source of the highest good. The monotheism that characterizes Judaism began in ancient Israel with the adoption of Yahweh as the single object of worship and the rejection of the gods of other tribes and nations without, initially, denying their existence. Islam is clear in confessing one, eternal, unbegotten, unequaled God, while Christianity holds that a single God is reflected in the three persons of the Holy Trinity." [source - the Britannica Concise Encyclopedia].
But in reality Monotheist worship only one single entity god, and one can be a Monotheist and worship a false god as long as he/she only worships one god and no more.
In reality one is a Polytheist if he/she worships more than one god even if he/she claims a triad is just one god. This fact has been highlighted by many Islamic and Genuine (true) Christian writers. One Francis David pointedly made this point in his book, "De falsa et vera unius Dei Patris, Filii, et Spiritus Sancti cognitione," (The False and True Knowledge of the Unity of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), he co-authored with Georgio Biandrata.
WHO WORSHIP IS DIRECTED TO IS DIFFERENTIATOR BETWEEN MONOTHEISM AND POLYTHEISM:
As shown in the introduction, the real differentiating feature between Monotheism and Polytheism is to whom worship is directed.
Monotheism:
Both members of Islam and Genuine (true) Christians direct worship exclusively only to one god; therefore, they are Monotheist.
In the case of Islam, this is a mythical god, as previously pointed out, a false god. Nevertheless, they direct worship only to one god, even though this is of course a false god, it does NOT change their status as Monotheist.
In the case of Genuine (true) Christians, the real footstep followers of Jesus (Yeshua), the Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, this is to his Father, and not him. This is clearly testified to by his Son, Jesus (Yeshua), at Matthew 4:9-10, "And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and at Luke 4:7-8, "If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV). In these two scriptures and many others, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, the only begotten Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, made it clear that his genuine followers were only to worship his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, Almighty God, and no other including himself.
In the case of Jews, they too, like Genuine (true) Christians only direct their worship to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and no other. They fail to recognize that the long awaited prophet, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, the only begotten Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has already arrived and been resurrected by his Father as testified to at Acts 10:38-40, "Jesus of Nazareth: how God anointed him with the Holy Ghost and with power, who went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things that he did in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem: whom they killed, hanging him upon a tree. 40 Him God raised up the third day and gave him to be made manifest," (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). The "Encyclopaedia Judaica says: <<<"The Jews of the Roman period believed [the Messiah] would be raised up by God to break the yoke of the heathen and to reign over a restored kingdom of Israel" [source - the Encyclopaedia Judaica, Jerusalem, 1971, Vol. 11, Col. 1407]>>>. In other words they failed to recognize Jesus (Yeshua) Christ as the Messia because he did NOT liberate them from the yoke of Rome.
Polytheist:
Both Hindus and apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians are polytheist because they worship more than one god in their respective triad of gods.
In Hinduism the members of this religion direct worship to all three members of their triad of gods. That is to of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer which make up their peculiar triad of gods or Trinity of gods. The fact that they direct worship to more than one god makes Hindus Polytheist.
With regard to apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians, they direct their worship to all three members of their triad of gods. That is to Jehovah (YHWH) - Almighty God; his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ ; and the Holy Spirit - the active force and/or power of Jehovah (YHWH) as shown by the ancient Hebrew word which came from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit." The fact that they direct worship to more than one god makes apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians Polytheist.
MEMBERS OF ISLAM MAKE FALSE CHARGES:
Some members of Islam try and claim that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is another creator; whereas, the truth is that only his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is a creator. Let's look at the fact that the only begotten Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is not a creator as is his Father.
Jesus (Yeshua) took part with respect the creative works, but this did NOT make him a co-Creator along with his Father (YHWH). Why not? Because all the power for creation came from God through his Holy Spirit, or active force as shown by Genesis 1:1-2, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." (American Standard Version; ASV); And at Psalms 33:6, "By the word of Jehovah were the heavens made, And all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." (ASV). Of course some may object and have different views with regard to what the Holy Spirit is, but let's look at the facts. The "New American Bible Catholic Bible," says in a footnote regarding John 14:17: "The Greek word for 'Spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English ('he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ 'it.'" So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection with pa•ra'kle•tos at John 16:7, 8, it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine. And in Ancient Hebrew the word here rendered Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, or Spirit which is translated from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit." In Latin, it is spiritus, and in Sanskrit, 'prana' which means both "breath" and "spirit." Thus God (YHWH) is the source of all life, all animate creation, both visible and invisible, as shown at Psalms 36:9, "For with thee is the fountain of life: In thy light shall we see light." (ASV). Thus all of creation including his only begotten Son owes their lives to him. Thus, rather than being a co-Creator with his Father (YHWH), Jesus (Yeshua) was the agent or instrumentality through whom God (YHWH), the Creator, worked using him as his 'master worker.' Jesus (Yeshua) himself gave credit to his Father (YHWH) for all of creation, see Matthew 19:4-6, "And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made [them] from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? 6 So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (ASV).
Also, only the Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is called Almighty God in the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible. Here are some scriptures that show this fact, [all taken from Authorized King James Bible; (AV) ]
Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 28:3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;
Genesis 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
Genesis 43:14 And God Almighty give you mercy before the man, that he may send away your other brother, and Benjamin. If I be bereaved of my children, I am bereaved.
Genesis 48:3 And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
Genesis 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Whereas, no where does the Bible call Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, Almighty God.
These members of Islam make false charges against Genuine (true) Christians who ONLY RENDER WORSHIP to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and NOT his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, that they are Polytheist, an outright lie. Let's look at one example of their false charges,
<<<" Why are you posting as a Christian when you are actually a polytheist? Why do you call Jesus (PBUH) a "lesser God" ****? And why do you say Jews believe Jesus is the son of God ****?">>>
Yet the fact is that Genuine (true) Christians only worship the Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, in keeping with Jesus (Yeshua) specific instructions which are, per Matthew 4:9-10, "And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and at Luke 4:7-8, "If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV). Clearly this shows that his, Jesus' (Yeshua's), true followers are NOT TO WORSHIP HIM, but only his Father, Almighty God, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
So the distinguishing feature of Genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ would be their Monotheist practice of worshipping only the Father of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. And NOT also worshipping his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) or his Father's active force and/or power commonly known as the Holy Spirit or some saint or charismatic leader such as Father Divine.
WRONG WORSHIP BY FALSE RELIGIONS:
Interestingly neither, Islam or apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians, worships the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, the creator of all there is as the only God. One, apostate (counterfeit) Christians claims to, but in actuality does NOT; whereas, Islam believe in and worships another, a mythical god, Al-Ilah, the god [al-, the + 'ilah, god], where some of them claim Ilah means the 'only one' in Arabic, they commonly call this mythical god, Allah, and wrongly claim he is the creator.
Let's first look at so called Christianity who falsely claim to worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, but actually worships a hybrid three-in-one god known as the Trinity - no where mentioned in the Bible. To try and 'prove' this none Biblical god, Trinitarians use questionable translations of John 1:1, but conveniently miss the point that this is "a singular anarthrous predicate noun preceding the verb," that is, not just that the noun theos lacks the Greek definite article. Similar Greek construction such as,
Mark 6:49, Mark 11:32, John 4:19, John 6:70, John 8:44a, John 8:44b, John 9:17, John 10:1,
John 10:13, John 10:33, John 12:6 as usually have an inserted either an "a" or "an" there in most translations.
But we need not get so technical as a quick application of logic to the usual questionable translational construct for John 1:1 quickly shows that it can in no way support a trinity god. Let's look at why. John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.) (AV) - now to have a trinity of anything, one must have THREE like items and only two spirit creatures are mentioned, not three, hence no trinity. In addition, someone can NOT be with someone and be that person also.
Now how did this false god get into so called Christianity? Well it came about in 325 AD when a pagan Roman Emperor, Constantine, a wordhipper of the Unconquered Sun, wanted religious unity in his empire and called a church conference with the view of getting them to accept some pagan doctrines so he could bring about a fusion of so called Christianity with paganism. This council went on a very long time and through coercion and political skull drudgery he finally got most of the attendees, bishops, to go along with what he wanted. This amounted to most of the so called Christian church going apostate.[Reference sources - Payne, Robert, "The Holy Fire: The Story of the Early Centuries of the Christian Churches in the Near East" (1957); BETHUNE-BAKER, J,F. "An Introduction to the Early History of Christian Doctrine". Methuen; 5th Ed., 1933 and ENCYLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, 11th Edition, Vol. 3, (page 366); David, Francis and Blandrata, Georgio, "De falsa et vera unius Dei Patris, Filii, et Spiritus Sancti cognitone" [Latin](The False and True Knowledge of the Unity of God the Father, Son, and Holy spirit), 1566 A.D.; Eklof, Todd F., "David's Francis Tower, Strength through Peace," (06-16-02); The New Encyclopedia Britannica: " Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126. (1976); Parkes, James, "The Foundation of Judaism and Christianity," 1960; Durant, Will. "Caesar and Christ." New York: Simon. 1944. Vol. 3 of The Story of Civilization. 11 vols. 1935-75.].
Let's next look at Islam who falsely claim to worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, but actually worship the old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah."
Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at Columbia University, notes:
<<"The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa"[source - Islam: Muhammad, and His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 85.">>>.
The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, states, <<<"The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity"[source - Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, I:326, Hastings]>>>.
The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, states, <<"The name Allah goes back before Muhammad"[ Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:41, Anthony Mercatante, New York, The Facts on File, 1983]>>>.
And, <<<"The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic."[reference - There is an interesting discussion of the origins of Allah, in "Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies" by J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII, #2, 1972, pp. 173-190.]>>>.
And, Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity.
Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark, states:
<<<"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their [Arabs'] peculiar God."[source - Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326]>>>.
<<"Pre-Islamic Arabia also had its stone deities. They were stone statues of shapeless volcanic or meteoric stones found in the deserts and believed to have been sent by astral deities. The most prominent deities were Hubal, the male god of the Ka'ba, and the three sister goddesses al-Lat, al-Manat, and al-Uzza; Muhammad's tribe, the Quraysh, thought these three goddesses to be the daughters of Allah. Hubal was the chief god of the Ka'ba among 360 other deities. He was a man-like statue whose body was made of red precious stone and whose arms were of solid gold." [sources - George W. Braswell, Jr., Islam Its Prophets, Peoples, Politics and Power" [Broadman & Holman Publishers, Nashville, TN; July, 1996], p. 44]>>>.
CONCLUSION:
Monotheist are those who worship but one god whether it be a false mythical god such as that worshipped by Islam or the genuine true God worshipped by Genuine (true) followers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, and also by Jews, the descendents of Abraham's son, Isaac.
Polytheist are those who worship more than one god, often as members of a triad of gods such as the Hindu triad of gods that consist of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer as the three highest manifestations of the one ultimate reality. Or apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians that worship a triad of gods that consist of Jehovah (YHWH) - Almighty God; his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ ; and the Holy Spirit - the active force and/or power of Jehovah (YHWH) as shown by the ancient Hebrew word which came from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit."
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 541A]
A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time. Isaiah 60:22, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle John in a vision saw as recorded at Revelation 7:9 – 10, [AV] “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.” But the meaning of this vision has only come to light in this time of the end just as the Prophet Habakkuk stated at Habakkuk 2:3, [AV] “For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.”
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[2] DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MONOTHEIST AND POLYTHEIST IS IN WHO THEY WORSHIP:
INTRODUCTION:
Many truly are ignorant and have a misconception between the difference between a Monotheist and a Polytheist and do NOT realize the difference is with respect whom they worship and NOT who is or is NOT a god or god(s). Let's get an accurate understanding with respect the meaning of these two words so the remainder of this article will have real meaning.
The standard dictionary definition for monotheism is confusing as it really embraces that which is really polytheist, i.e., the Trinity. This biased definition, which is refuted by both genuine (true) Christians and members of Islam in that both groups define monotheism as the worship of one supreme god whom both say is the creator in the singular tense. Of course, these two groups differ with respect to whom they consider is the creator.
Genuine (true) Christians believe the creator is the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is; whereas, members of Islam believe in another, a mythical god, Al-Ilah, the god [al-, the + 'ilah, god], where some of them claim Ilah means the 'only one' in Arabic, they commonly call this mythical god, Allah, and wrongly claim he is the creator.
Many religions have many gods that they worship such as the Hindus and apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians, but herein lies the confusion. Both the Hindus and apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians have so called Trinities of gods.
In Hinduism this triad of gods consist of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer as the three highest manifestations of the one ultimate reality. The last part where it is said that the three are one ultimate reality or three separate gods make one god is what causes confusion with respect who is a Monotheist and who is a Polytheist.
In apostate (counterfeit) Christianity this triad of gods consist Jehovah (YHWH) - Almighty God; his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ ; and the Holy Spirit - the active force and/or power of Jehovah (YHWH) as shown by the ancient Hebrew word which came from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit."
This fact with respect the Holy Spirit in Koine Greek is the ancient Greek word for spirit (pneu'ma) is used, the neuter pronoun "it" is properly employed. This fact is conveniently over looked or hidden by most Trinitarian translators as admitted in the "New American Bible Catholic Bible," regarding John 14:17: "The Greek word for 'Spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English ('he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ 'it.'" So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection with pa•ra'kle•tos at John 16:7, 8, it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine. This causes a lot of confusion and many are mislead by it.
The common, but erroneous, definition of Monotheism is as follows: <<<"Belief in the existence of one god. It is distinguished from polytheism. The earliest known instance of monotheism dates to the reign of Akhenaton of Egypt in the 14th century BC. Monotheism is characteristic of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, all of which view God as the creator of the world, who oversees and intervenes in human events, and as a beneficent and holy being, the source of the highest good. The monotheism that characterizes Judaism began in ancient Israel with the adoption of Yahweh as the single object of worship and the rejection of the gods of other tribes and nations without, initially, denying their existence. Islam is clear in confessing one, eternal, unbegotten, unequaled God, while Christianity holds that a single God is reflected in the three persons of the Holy Trinity." [source - the Britannica Concise Encyclopedia].
But in reality Monotheist worship only one single entity god, and one can be a Monotheist and worship a false god as long as he/she only worships one god and no more.
In reality one is a Polytheist if he/she worships more than one god even if he/she claims a triad is just one god. This fact has been highlighted by many Islamic and Genuine (true) Christian writers. One Francis David pointedly made this point in his book, "De falsa et vera unius Dei Patris, Filii, et Spiritus Sancti cognitione," (The False and True Knowledge of the Unity of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), he co-authored with Georgio Biandrata.
WHO WORSHIP IS DIRECTED TO IS DIFFERENTIATOR BETWEEN MONOTHEISM AND POLYTHEISM:
As shown in the introduction, the real differentiating feature between Monotheism and Polytheism is to whom worship is directed.
Monotheism:
Both members of Islam and Genuine (true) Christians direct worship exclusively only to one god; therefore, they are Monotheist.
In the case of Islam, this is a mythical god, as previously pointed out, a false god. Nevertheless, they direct worship only to one god, even though this is of course a false god, it does NOT change their status as Monotheist.
In the case of Genuine (true) Christians, the real footstep followers of Jesus (Yeshua), the Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, this is to his Father, and not him. This is clearly testified to by his Son, Jesus (Yeshua), at Matthew 4:9-10, "And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and at Luke 4:7-8, "If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV). In these two scriptures and many others, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, the only begotten Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, made it clear that his genuine followers were only to worship his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, Almighty God, and no other including himself.
In the case of Jews, they too, like Genuine (true) Christians only direct their worship to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and no other. They fail to recognize that the long awaited prophet, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, the only begotten Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has already arrived and been resurrected by his Father as testified to at Acts 10:38-40, "Jesus of Nazareth: how God anointed him with the Holy Ghost and with power, who went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things that he did in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem: whom they killed, hanging him upon a tree. 40 Him God raised up the third day and gave him to be made manifest," (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). The "Encyclopaedia Judaica says: <<<"The Jews of the Roman period believed [the Messiah] would be raised up by God to break the yoke of the heathen and to reign over a restored kingdom of Israel" [source - the Encyclopaedia Judaica, Jerusalem, 1971, Vol. 11, Col. 1407]>>>. In other words they failed to recognize Jesus (Yeshua) Christ as the Messia because he did NOT liberate them from the yoke of Rome.
Polytheist:
Both Hindus and apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians are polytheist because they worship more than one god in their respective triad of gods.
In Hinduism the members of this religion direct worship to all three members of their triad of gods. That is to of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer which make up their peculiar triad of gods or Trinity of gods. The fact that they direct worship to more than one god makes Hindus Polytheist.
With regard to apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians, they direct their worship to all three members of their triad of gods. That is to Jehovah (YHWH) - Almighty God; his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ ; and the Holy Spirit - the active force and/or power of Jehovah (YHWH) as shown by the ancient Hebrew word which came from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit." The fact that they direct worship to more than one god makes apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians Polytheist.
MEMBERS OF ISLAM MAKE FALSE CHARGES:
Some members of Islam try and claim that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is another creator; whereas, the truth is that only his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is a creator. Let's look at the fact that the only begotten Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is not a creator as is his Father.
Jesus (Yeshua) took part with respect the creative works, but this did NOT make him a co-Creator along with his Father (YHWH). Why not? Because all the power for creation came from God through his Holy Spirit, or active force as shown by Genesis 1:1-2, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." (American Standard Version; ASV); And at Psalms 33:6, "By the word of Jehovah were the heavens made, And all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." (ASV). Of course some may object and have different views with regard to what the Holy Spirit is, but let's look at the facts. The "New American Bible Catholic Bible," says in a footnote regarding John 14:17: "The Greek word for 'Spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English ('he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ 'it.'" So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection with pa•ra'kle•tos at John 16:7, 8, it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine. And in Ancient Hebrew the word here rendered Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, or Spirit which is translated from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit." In Latin, it is spiritus, and in Sanskrit, 'prana' which means both "breath" and "spirit." Thus God (YHWH) is the source of all life, all animate creation, both visible and invisible, as shown at Psalms 36:9, "For with thee is the fountain of life: In thy light shall we see light." (ASV). Thus all of creation including his only begotten Son owes their lives to him. Thus, rather than being a co-Creator with his Father (YHWH), Jesus (Yeshua) was the agent or instrumentality through whom God (YHWH), the Creator, worked using him as his 'master worker.' Jesus (Yeshua) himself gave credit to his Father (YHWH) for all of creation, see Matthew 19:4-6, "And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made [them] from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? 6 So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (ASV).
Also, only the Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is called Almighty God in the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible. Here are some scriptures that show this fact, [all taken from Authorized King James Bible; (AV) ]
Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 28:3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;
Genesis 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
Genesis 43:14 And God Almighty give you mercy before the man, that he may send away your other brother, and Benjamin. If I be bereaved of my children, I am bereaved.
Genesis 48:3 And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
Genesis 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Whereas, no where does the Bible call Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, Almighty God.
These members of Islam make false charges against Genuine (true) Christians who ONLY RENDER WORSHIP to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and NOT his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, that they are Polytheist, an outright lie. Let's look at one example of their false charges,
<<<" Why are you posting as a Christian when you are actually a polytheist? Why do you call Jesus (PBUH) a "lesser God" ****? And why do you say Jews believe Jesus is the son of God ****?">>>
Yet the fact is that Genuine (true) Christians only worship the Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, in keeping with Jesus (Yeshua) specific instructions which are, per Matthew 4:9-10, "And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); and at Luke 4:7-8, "If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV). Clearly this shows that his, Jesus' (Yeshua's), true followers are NOT TO WORSHIP HIM, but only his Father, Almighty God, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
So the distinguishing feature of Genuine (true) followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ would be their Monotheist practice of worshipping only the Father of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. And NOT also worshipping his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) or his Father's active force and/or power commonly known as the Holy Spirit or some saint or charismatic leader such as Father Divine.
WRONG WORSHIP BY FALSE RELIGIONS:
Interestingly neither, Islam or apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians, worships the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, the creator of all there is as the only God. One, apostate (counterfeit) Christians claims to, but in actuality does NOT; whereas, Islam believe in and worships another, a mythical god, Al-Ilah, the god [al-, the + 'ilah, god], where some of them claim Ilah means the 'only one' in Arabic, they commonly call this mythical god, Allah, and wrongly claim he is the creator.
Let's first look at so called Christianity who falsely claim to worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, but actually worships a hybrid three-in-one god known as the Trinity - no where mentioned in the Bible. To try and 'prove' this none Biblical god, Trinitarians use questionable translations of John 1:1, but conveniently miss the point that this is "a singular anarthrous predicate noun preceding the verb," that is, not just that the noun theos lacks the Greek definite article. Similar Greek construction such as,
Mark 6:49, Mark 11:32, John 4:19, John 6:70, John 8:44a, John 8:44b, John 9:17, John 10:1,
John 10:13, John 10:33, John 12:6 as usually have an inserted either an "a" or "an" there in most translations.
But we need not get so technical as a quick application of logic to the usual questionable translational construct for John 1:1 quickly shows that it can in no way support a trinity god. Let's look at why. John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.) (AV) - now to have a trinity of anything, one must have THREE like items and only two spirit creatures are mentioned, not three, hence no trinity. In addition, someone can NOT be with someone and be that person also.
Now how did this false god get into so called Christianity? Well it came about in 325 AD when a pagan Roman Emperor, Constantine, a wordhipper of the Unconquered Sun, wanted religious unity in his empire and called a church conference with the view of getting them to accept some pagan doctrines so he could bring about a fusion of so called Christianity with paganism. This council went on a very long time and through coercion and political skull drudgery he finally got most of the attendees, bishops, to go along with what he wanted. This amounted to most of the so called Christian church going apostate.[Reference sources - Payne, Robert, "The Holy Fire: The Story of the Early Centuries of the Christian Churches in the Near East" (1957); BETHUNE-BAKER, J,F. "An Introduction to the Early History of Christian Doctrine". Methuen; 5th Ed., 1933 and ENCYLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, 11th Edition, Vol. 3, (page 366); David, Francis and Blandrata, Georgio, "De falsa et vera unius Dei Patris, Filii, et Spiritus Sancti cognitone" [Latin](The False and True Knowledge of the Unity of God the Father, Son, and Holy spirit), 1566 A.D.; Eklof, Todd F., "David's Francis Tower, Strength through Peace," (06-16-02); The New Encyclopedia Britannica: " Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126. (1976); Parkes, James, "The Foundation of Judaism and Christianity," 1960; Durant, Will. "Caesar and Christ." New York: Simon. 1944. Vol. 3 of The Story of Civilization. 11 vols. 1935-75.].
Let's next look at Islam who falsely claim to worship the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, but actually worship the old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah."
Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at Columbia University, notes:
<<"The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa"[source - Islam: Muhammad, and His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 85.">>>.
The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, states, <<<"The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity"[source - Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, I:326, Hastings]>>>.
The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, states, <<"The name Allah goes back before Muhammad"[ Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:41, Anthony Mercatante, New York, The Facts on File, 1983]>>>.
And, <<<"The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic."[reference - There is an interesting discussion of the origins of Allah, in "Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies" by J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII, #2, 1972, pp. 173-190.]>>>.
And, Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity.
Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark, states:
<<<"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their [Arabs'] peculiar God."[source - Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326]>>>.
<<"Pre-Islamic Arabia also had its stone deities. They were stone statues of shapeless volcanic or meteoric stones found in the deserts and believed to have been sent by astral deities. The most prominent deities were Hubal, the male god of the Ka'ba, and the three sister goddesses al-Lat, al-Manat, and al-Uzza; Muhammad's tribe, the Quraysh, thought these three goddesses to be the daughters of Allah. Hubal was the chief god of the Ka'ba among 360 other deities. He was a man-like statue whose body was made of red precious stone and whose arms were of solid gold." [sources - George W. Braswell, Jr., Islam Its Prophets, Peoples, Politics and Power" [Broadman & Holman Publishers, Nashville, TN; July, 1996], p. 44]>>>.
CONCLUSION:
Monotheist are those who worship but one god whether it be a false mythical god such as that worshipped by Islam or the genuine true God worshipped by Genuine (true) followers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, and also by Jews, the descendents of Abraham's son, Isaac.
Polytheist are those who worship more than one god, often as members of a triad of gods such as the Hindu triad of gods that consist of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer as the three highest manifestations of the one ultimate reality. Or apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians that worship a triad of gods that consist of Jehovah (YHWH) - Almighty God; his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ ; and the Holy Spirit - the active force and/or power of Jehovah (YHWH) as shown by the ancient Hebrew word which came from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit."
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 542A]
For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness. Isaiah 60:17, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
King Solomon was very wealthy as shown at 1 Kings 10:21, [AV] “And all king Solomon’s drinking vessels were of gold, and all the vessels of the house of the forest of Lebanon were of pure gold; none were of silver: it was nothing accounted of in the days of Solomon.” However, the Apostle Peter showed that Almighty God (YHWH) was not concerned with wealth, but having genuine gifts in men for the care of his flock as stated at 1 Peter 5:2, [AV] “Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;” This same thought was illuminated by the Prophet Isaiah centuries earlier at Isaiah 1:26, [AV] “Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;” clearly show that God was interested in His flock and not the wealth of individuals.
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[2] RECREATIONAL DRUG USAGE AND IMMODERATION IN USE OF ALCOHOL SIGNS OF A SICK SOCIETY
INTRODUCTION:
Use of narcotic type drugs for recreational use and alcohol used in an effort to escape from reality, i.e., the problems of life, to get a dreamy feeling, or a sense of well-being or of elation is a sign of a sick society. This article will deal with the wrongs of this type of use, but will NOT deal with substances that are used for medically necessary conditions.
Drugs as herein discussed are nonfood, mood-altering substances that are not being used for medical purposes. Alcohol usage will deal with the immoderate use of alcohol.
NARCOTIC DRUGS NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE:
The Bible does not specifically mention drugs per say; however, although it does not name such substances as heroin, cocaine, LSD, PCP [angel dust], marijuana, and tobacco. But it does provide the guidelines so that we can know what to do and what to avoid in order to please the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. Similarly, the Bible does not say anything about the use of guns to kill someone, but it does forbid murder.
Now let's reason a little with respect Luke 10:25-27, "And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Now is a person really loving the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, with their whole heart and with their whole soul and with your whole strength and mind if he makes a practice of things that needlessly shorten his life and cause his mind to be blurred? Is he showing love for his neighbor if he steals from others to support his drug habit?
Also, consider 2 Corinthians 7:1, "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (AV). Now can we expect to have the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, approval if we deliberately do things that defile our bodies?
Also, consider Titus 2:11-12, "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;" (AV). Now is the use of drugs that impair one's judgment or that cause a person to lose self=control in harmony with that counsel?
Narcotic drugs include everything from the common usage of tobacco to hard-core drugs. Now let's first look at the usage of tobacco and its detrimental effects on humans.
TOBACCO USAGE A SCOURGE ON MANKIND:
Now let's get back to narcotics that many Islamic governments and none Islamic governments permit, but are very harmful to the health. Specifically, I am speaking about the use of tobacco for recreational purposes. Now the subject of this thread is wrongful use of drugs, so consider the following with respect the most commonly used drug of all, tobacco.
Acts 17:24-27 says, "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Now, per Science 80, <<<"The evidence that cigarettes shorten life is overwhelming; the causal connection is firmly established as any in medicine"[source - Science 80, September/October, page 42.]>>>.
Statistics show that in the United States, alone, the annual death toll from smoking is over 300,000 individuals; in Britain the annual death toll is over 50,000, and the same is true for Canada. The Journal [Toronto] says, <<<"More than one million people die annually because of smoking-related disease and the Third World, which accounts for 52% of world tobacco consumption, is making up a rapidly increasing proportion of these deaths."[Source - The Journal (Toronto), September 1, 1983, page 16.]>>>.
In fact, the former U.S. Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare, Joseph Califano, said: <<<"Today there can be no doubt that smoking is truly slow-motion suicide."[source - Scholastic Science World, March 20, 1980, page 13]>>>.
Now it is evident that committing suicide by slow-motion is no more approved of by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, than is suicide by becoming human bombs as some do in Islam. Romans 12:1 says, "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
The former surgeon general of the U.S., C. Everett Koop, said: <<<"Cigharette smoking is clearly identified as the chief preventable cause of death in our society."[source - The New York Times, February 23, 1982, Page A1]. The World Book Encyclopedia said, <<<"Medical studies show that...the average life expectancy of a smoker is three to four years less than that of a nonsmoker. The life expectancy of a heavy smoker-a person who smokes two or more packages of cigarettes a day-may be as much as eight years shorter than that of a nonsmoker."[source - The World Book Encyclopedia, 1984, Vol. 17, page 430.]>>>. Now is it proper for a person to present his life for service to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and then slowly to destroy that life?
One university said, <<<"Smoking is so devastating, especially to the heart and lungs, that the other aspects of preventive medicine become comparatively insignificant if the person smokes." [source - University of Southern California News Service, February 18, 1982.]>>>. And Dr. H. Mahler, said, <<<"Smoking is probably the largest single preventable cause of ill health in the world."[source - Dr. H. Mahler, director general of the World Health Organization, in "World Health," February/March 1980, page 3.]>>>. Now, is it consistent for a person to present himself to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, for sacred service and then deliberately to ruin his health?
Let's face it, smoking is a violation of the divine requirement that we love our neighbor as pointed out by James 2:8, "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). How so? <<<"A recent study...revealed that the nonsmoking wives of men who smoke die on the average four years younger than women whose husbands are also nonsmokers."[source - The New York Times, November 22, 1978, page C5]>>>. Also, Family Health said, <<<"Smoking during pregnancy can cause congenital malformations so severe that either the fetus dies, or the infant does shortly after birth."[source - Family Health, May 1979, page 8]>>>. Thus, smoking constitutes unloving treatment of family members and others and is clear evidence that a person is not acting as a genuine (true) Christian, see 1 Timothy 5:8, "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." (AV).
<<<"Studies have shown that since the average smoker actively smokes his/her cigarette for only a small portion of the time it is lit, a nonsmoker may actually be forced against his/her will to breathe almost as much carbon monoxide, tar, and nicotine as the active smoker sitting next to him." [source - Today's Health, April 1972, page 39]>>>. Thus, a person who is thus unloving toward his fellowman does not give evidence of loving the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, either.
HARD-CORE DRUG USE:
let's look at the facts with respect right uses of hard-core narcotic type drugs, but first let's consider 2 Timothy 3:1-5, "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Clearly the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, warns against craving pleasure to such an extreme that we put it ahead of applying the righteous principles of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, and the gaining of his approval.
Some narcotics bring relief from pain and can produce a feeling of contentment, but they are also addictive and can have very severe results such as death from an overdose or long term health effects. Also, sniffing of some solvents and other chemicals can produce a feeling of excitement, but it can also cause severe health problems so their use should NOT be indulged in for just feeling content or for so called recreational use.
However, these powerful drugs, narcotics, have a proper use also. This use is in the treatment of patients with severe pain under the strict control of a qualified medical professional. Properly used for medically legitimate purposes they can be very beneficial to man and makes one think of what King Solomon said at Ecclesiastes 3:1, "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
This dual use for narcotics, one very bad, and one very useful, begs the question with respect to why did the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, make plants from which drugs are derived. It is because he intended mankind to use them for his benefit and not his detriment. The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, did not intend for man to abuse them, but to use them for proper and beneficial uses. It is true of both wine and Marijuana for example. Marijuana is made from the dried leaves and flowering tops of the hemp plant, but this plant also provides useful fibers for making rope and cloth. Same is true of tobacco leaves, which many abuse by smoking them for their narcotic effect, a wrong purpose, but the leaves of this plant can also be used for making disinfectants and insecticides. This is also with respect many of earth's resources such as sodium nitrate that can be used for making bombs to kill other humans or for mining and fertilizer. Even weeds are beneficial in preventing erosion and providing mulch when soil is not under cultivation.
DECEPTION WITH RESPECT MARIJUANA:
Some falsely say marijuana is harmless, but let's investigate what doctors have to say on the subject. David Powelson, M.D., formerly chief of psychiatry, Cowell Hospital, University of California at Berkeley, at one time advocated legalizing the use of marijuana, but later, after more evidence was available wrote,
<<<"I now believe that marijuana is the most dangerous drug we must contend with:1. Its early use is beguiling. The user is given an illusion of feeling good; he cannot sense the deterioration of his mental and physiological processes. 2. Its continued use leads to delusional thinking. After one to three years of continuous use, the pathological forms of thinking begin to take over the thought process." [source - Executive Health Report, October 1977, page 8]>>>.
Dr. Robert L. DuPont, former director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse in the United States, who in the past was quoted as minimizing danger from marijuana, more recently stated:
<<<"The real issue is the health danger posed by this epidemic [of marijuana use by the younger generation], danger of at least two kinds. One is the effects of the intoxication, ranging from the hazardous impact on driving to caring less about everything [including one's creator]. The other area is purely physical. Here the concerns range from the regular occurrence of chronic bronchitis among marijuana users to the very real possibilities of harmful hormonal effects, effects on the immune system and possibly even cancer." [source - Montreal Gazette, March 22, 1979, page 9]>>>.
Science Digest says,
<<<"Regular marijuana puffing may, in the long run, widen the gaps between nerve endings in the brain that are necessary for such vital functions as memory, emotion and behavior. In order for nerves to perform their functions, they must communicalt between themselves." [Then, commenting on the results of animal test, the article continues: "The most marked effects occurred in the septal region, associated with emotions: the hippocampus, concerned with memory formation; and the amygdala, responsible for certain behavioral functions." [source - Science Digest, March 1981, page 104.]>>>
IMMODERATE USE OF ALCOHOL:
Now let's deal with alcohol which is a different case from illegal drugs. Alcohol is a food and is metabolized by the body to provide energy; the end products are disposed of by the body. However, a psychopharmacologist said: <<<"Marijuana is a very potent drug, and the biggest mistake we make is comparing it to alcohol." "Molecule for molecule, THC [in marijuana] is 10,000 times stronger than alcohol in its ability to produce mild intoxication...THC is removed slowly from the body, and many months are required to recover from its effects." [source - Execitove Jea;tj Re[prt. Pctpber 1077, page 3]>>>.
The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, knows how we are constructed, and his inspired word, the Bible, permits moderate use of alcoholic beverages per 1 Timothy 5:23, "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." (AV); and Psalms 104:15, "And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart." (AV). But he also strongly condemns immoderate consumption of alcohol, just as he condemns gluttony per Proverbs 23:20-21, "Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: 21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags." (AV); and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (AV).
But some take an extreme ridicules view against alcohol that defies common sense. One individual said the following, <<<"Actually there are problems in hospitals today!! Muslims are refusing to use the hand-cleaner at patient's bedsides.
It has alcohol in it, so they say it is against their religion to use it.
Hand-washing is so important in disease control.">>>.
This situation, absurd and beyond reason actually occurred in a medical facility in Dearborn, Michigan. It clearly shows that some can not draw the distinction about the abuse of alcohol such as getting drunk from its immoderate use, and its correct use in moderation and for necessary medical reasons. So absurd religious views serve only to confuse the issue and not to solve the real problem, the immoderate use of alcohol.
CONCLUSION:
Use of illegal drugs for so called recreational usage by genuine (true) Christians is prohibited as the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, clearly show that works of the flesh including drug usage are not for genuine (true) Christians at Galatians 5:19-21, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, 21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (American Standard Version; ASV). An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words by W.E. Vine, in commenting on the word "phar-ma-kia", is 'practice of spiritism' or 'druggery.' And Vine says, <<<"In socery, the use of drug, whether simple or potent, was generally accompanied by incantations and appeals to occult powers, with provision of various charms, amulets, etc., professedly designed to keep the applicant or patient from the attention and power of deamons, but actually to impress the applicant with the mysterious resources and powers of the sorcerer"[source - An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words by W.E. Vine, Vol. IV, pages 51-52, London 1940] >>>.
Similarly today, many who use drugs are involved in spiritistic practices or associate with those who are, because of a blank mind or one that experiences hallucinations is easy prey to the demons, this danger is highlighted at Luke 11:24-26, "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first." (AV).
Remember that a person's life and breath are in all things as brought out in Acts 17:24-25, "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;" (AV). This fact was obviously forgotten by the Tobacco/Marijuana smoking Sunnis that attacked the Amani"s Restaurant in Dearborn, Michigan last week and the many youths in apostate (counterfeit) so called Christian groups that use drugs.
The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, does NOT prohibit drinking of alcohol if done in moderation, but it does definitely prohibit drunkenness which is over indulging.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 542A]
For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness. Isaiah 60:17, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
King Solomon was very wealthy as shown at 1 Kings 10:21, [AV] “And all king Solomon’s drinking vessels were of gold, and all the vessels of the house of the forest of Lebanon were of pure gold; none were of silver: it was nothing accounted of in the days of Solomon.” However, the Apostle Peter showed that Almighty God (YHWH) was not concerned with wealth, but having genuine gifts in men for the care of his flock as stated at 1 Peter 5:2, [AV] “Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;” This same thought was illuminated by the Prophet Isaiah centuries earlier at Isaiah 1:26, [AV] “Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;” clearly show that God was interested in His flock and not the wealth of individuals.
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[2] RECREATIONAL DRUG USAGE AND IMMODERATION IN USE OF ALCOHOL SIGNS OF A SICK SOCIETY
INTRODUCTION:
Use of narcotic type drugs for recreational use and alcohol used in an effort to escape from reality, i.e., the problems of life, to get a dreamy feeling, or a sense of well-being or of elation is a sign of a sick society. This article will deal with the wrongs of this type of use, but will NOT deal with substances that are used for medically necessary conditions.
Drugs as herein discussed are nonfood, mood-altering substances that are not being used for medical purposes. Alcohol usage will deal with the immoderate use of alcohol.
NARCOTIC DRUGS NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE:
The Bible does not specifically mention drugs per say; however, although it does not name such substances as heroin, cocaine, LSD, PCP [angel dust], marijuana, and tobacco. But it does provide the guidelines so that we can know what to do and what to avoid in order to please the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. Similarly, the Bible does not say anything about the use of guns to kill someone, but it does forbid murder.
Now let's reason a little with respect Luke 10:25-27, "And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Now is a person really loving the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, with their whole heart and with their whole soul and with your whole strength and mind if he makes a practice of things that needlessly shorten his life and cause his mind to be blurred? Is he showing love for his neighbor if he steals from others to support his drug habit?
Also, consider 2 Corinthians 7:1, "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (AV). Now can we expect to have the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, approval if we deliberately do things that defile our bodies?
Also, consider Titus 2:11-12, "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;" (AV). Now is the use of drugs that impair one's judgment or that cause a person to lose self=control in harmony with that counsel?
Narcotic drugs include everything from the common usage of tobacco to hard-core drugs. Now let's first look at the usage of tobacco and its detrimental effects on humans.
TOBACCO USAGE A SCOURGE ON MANKIND:
Now let's get back to narcotics that many Islamic governments and none Islamic governments permit, but are very harmful to the health. Specifically, I am speaking about the use of tobacco for recreational purposes. Now the subject of this thread is wrongful use of drugs, so consider the following with respect the most commonly used drug of all, tobacco.
Acts 17:24-27 says, "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Now, per Science 80, <<<"The evidence that cigarettes shorten life is overwhelming; the causal connection is firmly established as any in medicine"[source - Science 80, September/October, page 42.]>>>.
Statistics show that in the United States, alone, the annual death toll from smoking is over 300,000 individuals; in Britain the annual death toll is over 50,000, and the same is true for Canada. The Journal [Toronto] says, <<<"More than one million people die annually because of smoking-related disease and the Third World, which accounts for 52% of world tobacco consumption, is making up a rapidly increasing proportion of these deaths."[Source - The Journal (Toronto), September 1, 1983, page 16.]>>>.
In fact, the former U.S. Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare, Joseph Califano, said: <<<"Today there can be no doubt that smoking is truly slow-motion suicide."[source - Scholastic Science World, March 20, 1980, page 13]>>>.
Now it is evident that committing suicide by slow-motion is no more approved of by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, than is suicide by becoming human bombs as some do in Islam. Romans 12:1 says, "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
The former surgeon general of the U.S., C. Everett Koop, said: <<<"Cigharette smoking is clearly identified as the chief preventable cause of death in our society."[source - The New York Times, February 23, 1982, Page A1]. The World Book Encyclopedia said, <<<"Medical studies show that...the average life expectancy of a smoker is three to four years less than that of a nonsmoker. The life expectancy of a heavy smoker-a person who smokes two or more packages of cigarettes a day-may be as much as eight years shorter than that of a nonsmoker."[source - The World Book Encyclopedia, 1984, Vol. 17, page 430.]>>>. Now is it proper for a person to present his life for service to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and then slowly to destroy that life?
One university said, <<<"Smoking is so devastating, especially to the heart and lungs, that the other aspects of preventive medicine become comparatively insignificant if the person smokes." [source - University of Southern California News Service, February 18, 1982.]>>>. And Dr. H. Mahler, said, <<<"Smoking is probably the largest single preventable cause of ill health in the world."[source - Dr. H. Mahler, director general of the World Health Organization, in "World Health," February/March 1980, page 3.]>>>. Now, is it consistent for a person to present himself to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, for sacred service and then deliberately to ruin his health?
Let's face it, smoking is a violation of the divine requirement that we love our neighbor as pointed out by James 2:8, "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). How so? <<<"A recent study...revealed that the nonsmoking wives of men who smoke die on the average four years younger than women whose husbands are also nonsmokers."[source - The New York Times, November 22, 1978, page C5]>>>. Also, Family Health said, <<<"Smoking during pregnancy can cause congenital malformations so severe that either the fetus dies, or the infant does shortly after birth."[source - Family Health, May 1979, page 8]>>>. Thus, smoking constitutes unloving treatment of family members and others and is clear evidence that a person is not acting as a genuine (true) Christian, see 1 Timothy 5:8, "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." (AV).
<<<"Studies have shown that since the average smoker actively smokes his/her cigarette for only a small portion of the time it is lit, a nonsmoker may actually be forced against his/her will to breathe almost as much carbon monoxide, tar, and nicotine as the active smoker sitting next to him." [source - Today's Health, April 1972, page 39]>>>. Thus, a person who is thus unloving toward his fellowman does not give evidence of loving the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, either.
HARD-CORE DRUG USE:
let's look at the facts with respect right uses of hard-core narcotic type drugs, but first let's consider 2 Timothy 3:1-5, "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Clearly the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, warns against craving pleasure to such an extreme that we put it ahead of applying the righteous principles of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, and the gaining of his approval.
Some narcotics bring relief from pain and can produce a feeling of contentment, but they are also addictive and can have very severe results such as death from an overdose or long term health effects. Also, sniffing of some solvents and other chemicals can produce a feeling of excitement, but it can also cause severe health problems so their use should NOT be indulged in for just feeling content or for so called recreational use.
However, these powerful drugs, narcotics, have a proper use also. This use is in the treatment of patients with severe pain under the strict control of a qualified medical professional. Properly used for medically legitimate purposes they can be very beneficial to man and makes one think of what King Solomon said at Ecclesiastes 3:1, "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
This dual use for narcotics, one very bad, and one very useful, begs the question with respect to why did the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, make plants from which drugs are derived. It is because he intended mankind to use them for his benefit and not his detriment. The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, did not intend for man to abuse them, but to use them for proper and beneficial uses. It is true of both wine and Marijuana for example. Marijuana is made from the dried leaves and flowering tops of the hemp plant, but this plant also provides useful fibers for making rope and cloth. Same is true of tobacco leaves, which many abuse by smoking them for their narcotic effect, a wrong purpose, but the leaves of this plant can also be used for making disinfectants and insecticides. This is also with respect many of earth's resources such as sodium nitrate that can be used for making bombs to kill other humans or for mining and fertilizer. Even weeds are beneficial in preventing erosion and providing mulch when soil is not under cultivation.
DECEPTION WITH RESPECT MARIJUANA:
Some falsely say marijuana is harmless, but let's investigate what doctors have to say on the subject. David Powelson, M.D., formerly chief of psychiatry, Cowell Hospital, University of California at Berkeley, at one time advocated legalizing the use of marijuana, but later, after more evidence was available wrote,
<<<"I now believe that marijuana is the most dangerous drug we must contend with:1. Its early use is beguiling. The user is given an illusion of feeling good; he cannot sense the deterioration of his mental and physiological processes. 2. Its continued use leads to delusional thinking. After one to three years of continuous use, the pathological forms of thinking begin to take over the thought process." [source - Executive Health Report, October 1977, page 8]>>>.
Dr. Robert L. DuPont, former director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse in the United States, who in the past was quoted as minimizing danger from marijuana, more recently stated:
<<<"The real issue is the health danger posed by this epidemic [of marijuana use by the younger generation], danger of at least two kinds. One is the effects of the intoxication, ranging from the hazardous impact on driving to caring less about everything [including one's creator]. The other area is purely physical. Here the concerns range from the regular occurrence of chronic bronchitis among marijuana users to the very real possibilities of harmful hormonal effects, effects on the immune system and possibly even cancer." [source - Montreal Gazette, March 22, 1979, page 9]>>>.
Science Digest says,
<<<"Regular marijuana puffing may, in the long run, widen the gaps between nerve endings in the brain that are necessary for such vital functions as memory, emotion and behavior. In order for nerves to perform their functions, they must communicalt between themselves." [Then, commenting on the results of animal test, the article continues: "The most marked effects occurred in the septal region, associated with emotions: the hippocampus, concerned with memory formation; and the amygdala, responsible for certain behavioral functions." [source - Science Digest, March 1981, page 104.]>>>
IMMODERATE USE OF ALCOHOL:
Now let's deal with alcohol which is a different case from illegal drugs. Alcohol is a food and is metabolized by the body to provide energy; the end products are disposed of by the body. However, a psychopharmacologist said: <<<"Marijuana is a very potent drug, and the biggest mistake we make is comparing it to alcohol." "Molecule for molecule, THC [in marijuana] is 10,000 times stronger than alcohol in its ability to produce mild intoxication...THC is removed slowly from the body, and many months are required to recover from its effects." [source - Execitove Jea;tj Re[prt. Pctpber 1077, page 3]>>>.
The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, knows how we are constructed, and his inspired word, the Bible, permits moderate use of alcoholic beverages per 1 Timothy 5:23, "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." (AV); and Psalms 104:15, "And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart." (AV). But he also strongly condemns immoderate consumption of alcohol, just as he condemns gluttony per Proverbs 23:20-21, "Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: 21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags." (AV); and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (AV).
But some take an extreme ridicules view against alcohol that defies common sense. One individual said the following, <<<"Actually there are problems in hospitals today!! Muslims are refusing to use the hand-cleaner at patient's bedsides.
It has alcohol in it, so they say it is against their religion to use it.
Hand-washing is so important in disease control.">>>.
This situation, absurd and beyond reason actually occurred in a medical facility in Dearborn, Michigan. It clearly shows that some can not draw the distinction about the abuse of alcohol such as getting drunk from its immoderate use, and its correct use in moderation and for necessary medical reasons. So absurd religious views serve only to confuse the issue and not to solve the real problem, the immoderate use of alcohol.
CONCLUSION:
Use of illegal drugs for so called recreational usage by genuine (true) Christians is prohibited as the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, clearly show that works of the flesh including drug usage are not for genuine (true) Christians at Galatians 5:19-21, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, 21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (American Standard Version; ASV). An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words by W.E. Vine, in commenting on the word "phar-ma-kia", is 'practice of spiritism' or 'druggery.' And Vine says, <<<"In socery, the use of drug, whether simple or potent, was generally accompanied by incantations and appeals to occult powers, with provision of various charms, amulets, etc., professedly designed to keep the applicant or patient from the attention and power of deamons, but actually to impress the applicant with the mysterious resources and powers of the sorcerer"[source - An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words by W.E. Vine, Vol. IV, pages 51-52, London 1940] >>>.
Similarly today, many who use drugs are involved in spiritistic practices or associate with those who are, because of a blank mind or one that experiences hallucinations is easy prey to the demons, this danger is highlighted at Luke 11:24-26, "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first." (AV).
Remember that a person's life and breath are in all things as brought out in Acts 17:24-25, "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;" (AV). This fact was obviously forgotten by the Tobacco/Marijuana smoking Sunnis that attacked the Amani"s Restaurant in Dearborn, Michigan last week and the many youths in apostate (counterfeit) so called Christian groups that use drugs.
The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, does NOT prohibit drinking of alcohol if done in moderation, but it does definitely prohibit drunkenness which is over indulging.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL.543A]
Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof. 13 Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell it to the generation following. 14 For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death. Psalms 48:12 – 14, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Prophet Isaiah foretold that the high and mighty and their destruction at Isaiah 26:11, [AV] “LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.” It was the duty of all Hebrew parents to take time to teach their children as recorded by Moses at Deuteronomy 11:19, [AV] “And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.” Yes, they must be taught to trust in Almighty God (YHWH) as stated at Psalms 31:14, [AV] “But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said, Thou art my God.” And to accept the guidance of God per Isaiah 58:11, [AV] And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.“
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[2] NEW LOWS OF DESPICABLE ACTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF ISLAM
INTRODUCTION:
In the past the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) of some members of putting out half-truths and outright lies rather than facing up to reality, the truth, per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
Members of Islam in the past of made despicable untruthful claims that their pagan god, "Allah," is the same as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but some of these same untruthful ones inadvertently let the cat out-of-the-bag, the truth, as shown in a discussion with one of them as follows:
A member of Islam has even admitted that fact as follows:
<<<[[My comment on your untrue statement.]] "You made a dumb statement that denies reality and even what you said in the past,">>>.
<<<[[Your statement, a member of Islam ]] "Jesus is never been crucified">>>.
<<<[[My comment on your untrue statement.]] "Which is both untrue and you well know it, as you previously said,">>>.
<<<[[Your statement, a member of Islam ]][quote][size=13pt] I will not accept a god that is not able to save his own son.">>>.
<<<[[My comment on your untrue statement.]] "So you have knowingly told an untruth and you know what that makes you, so stop being in a state of denial and become a genuine (true) Christian.">>>.
Of course this is NOT an isolated case, here is another example which is full of lies and untruths where a member of Islam admitted to the fact that their god is not the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is:
<<<"The christian god has evolved and no longer believe's in killing infant's. May be he is on a guilt trip, perhap's? I have a question:why do you think he would no longer kill kid's?">>>.
As can be seen, they make very disrespectful false and lying comments about the genuine God, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
This is standard SOP fare for many members of Islam, but now they have stopped to a new dispicable low of using bogus web sites and even admitting to altering them which is of course identify theft and fraudulent activity against individuals exposing their false belief.
Now let's look at an actual case.
IDENTITY THEFT AND FRAUDULENT ACTIVITY BY A MEMBER OF ISLAM - EXPLANATION:
A bogus web site was created in keeping with illegal phishing principles in a form of identity theft meant to discredit an individual exposing their false beliefs using distorted material and make-up items to try and discredit truth. But let's first review what phishing and bogus websites are.
An encyclopedia says the following on phishing, <<<" This phishing attempt, disguised as an official email from a (fictional) bank, attempts to trick the bank's members into giving away their account information by "confirming" it at the phisher's linked website.[[or in the case under study, to deceive others in an attempt to discredit someone exposing their false beliefs.]]...
Phishing techniques, Link manipulation,
Most methods of phishing use some form of technical deception designed to make a link in an email (and the spoofed website it leads to) appear to belong to the spoofed organization. Misspelled URLs or the use of subdomains are common tricks used by phishers, such as this example URL, http://www.yourbank.com.example.com/. Another common trick is to make the anchor text for a link appear to be a valid URL when the link actually goes to the phishers' site.
An old method of spoofing links used links containing the @ symbol, originally intended as a way to include a username and password in a web link (contrary to the standard). For example, the link http://www.google.com@members.tripod.com/ might deceive a casual observer into believing that the link will open a page on www.google.com, whereas the link actually directs the browser to a page on members.tripod.com, using a username of www.google.com: the page opens normally, regardless of the username supplied. Such URLs were disabled in Internet Explorer, while the Mozilla and Opera web browsers opted to present a warning message and give users the option of continuing to the site or cancelling.
A further problem with URLs has been found in the handling of Internationalized domain names (IDN) in web browsers, that might allow visually identical web addresses to lead to different, possibly malicious, websites. Despite the publicity surrounding the flaw, known as IDN spoofing or a homograph attack, no known phishing attacks have yet taken advantage of it. Phishers have taken advantage of a similar risk, using open URL redirectors on the websites of trusted organizations to disguise malicious URLs with a trusted domain...
Website forgery, Once the victim visits the website the deception is not over. Some phishing scams use JavaScript commands in order to alter the address bar. This is done either by placing a picture of the legitimate entity's URL over the address bar, or by closing the original address bar and opening a new one containing the legitimate URL. ..
The damage caused by phishing ranges from loss of access to email to substantial financial loss. This style of identity theft is becoming more popular, because of the ease with which unsuspecting people often divulge personal information to phishers, including credit card numbers, social security numbers, and mothers' maiden names. There are also fears that identity thieves can add such information to that they have gained through phishing simply by accessing public records.[34] Once this information is acquired, the phishers may use a person's details to create fake accounts in a victim's name, ruin a victim's credit, or even prevent victims from accessing their own accounts."[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
Now members of Islam are starting to use the despicable practice of phishing to try and discredit individuals exposing their false beliefs in imitation of disreputable companies as shown by the action of one company:
<<<" JBoss under fire, accused of bogus postings, DATE: 19 May 2004,
SOURCE: eWEEK, URL: http://www.eweek.com/article2/..., Editor's Summary: Developer tools maker JBoss is being accused of dirty tricks by members of the open source community. One report says the company has been blamed for creating fake user posts to open.[source - Eweek]>>>.
Now when members of a religion turn to such dirty tricks it really is an open admission that their beliefs are false since they can NOT defend them by using reality and facts. Such dirty tricks clearly show the fraudulent nature of the religion whose members use them. Let's now look at a salient egregious example of use of these dirty tricks by a member of Islam.
IDENTITY THEFT AND FRAUDULENT ACTIVITY BY A MEMBER OF ISLAM:
My first response to the bogus website was one of disbelief as I had no idea what was happening as I was inexperienced with such dirty tricks was as follows:
<<<" FIRST, ****, myself, is not a teenager.
SECOND, Apparently some teenager has pirated my internet name for use on a forum I have never posted on and taken some of my post on other sites and claimed them as her own.
Also,I went to the link ****[name of phishing practitioner] posted, http://******.u.yuku.com/ , and what I found is NOT a site of mine, but of some 14 year old girl I do not know who lives in Washington D.C. per her profile, a city I have never been in who is making a distortion of some of my material.".>>>.
What was posted was something purporting to be my profile and having some material apparently lifted from some of my real websites, but intentionally distorted and modified to deceive others into believing it was something of mine, listing my age as 14, when I am a adult married person, and what appeared to be links to some of my articles on other forums - links did not work for me.
This web site was NOT even in my style since I only use forums for posting my articles designed to let all know the reality, the truth, in line with John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). But in investigating this site that I do not remember ever even hearing of, let alone posting on, I could find not even one article of mine clearly showing that someone had created this bogus phishing profile solely to try and discredit my exposure of their false beliefs. I can not definitely say who or whether it was the same person now fraudulently using it.
Now note the unbelievable reply I received from this fraudulent phishinger.
<<<" Now, let's look at the facts: **** (*** *****), you are a lying porker! LOL!
I just went to the yuka website and set up a profile myself: http://******.u.yuku.com/
Note on the one I just set up - where it states the "age" in upper left corner of profile (above).
That is where an age would show if there was one! I put in 107!">>>.
I was astonished that this fraudulent phishinger actually testified that he had manipulated a web site and admitted he had put in the unbelievable age of 107 - the brazenness of wrong doers never ceases to amaze me. But of course these types of dirty tricks is clear testimony to a false religion when practiced by one of its members. Reminds one of the many false charges and dirty tricks pulled by Inquisitioners during the Catholic inquisition, for those who wish to read up on those, read "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" by John Foxe, an English Classic.
But this dirty tricks individuals next comments clearly show just how brazen this wrong doer is,
<<<" NO AGE GIVEN! I even checked your profile while logged in to yuka myself as well. NO AGE ON THAT PROFILE WHATSOEVER - NO 14 Yr. identifier. Nothing at all about the creator of that profile being 14 years old ANYWHERE on that profile! You are telling fibs again iris89! Just like your fib saying you were "Arab" LOL! Sheesh! You are sooooo pathetic I almost feel embarrassed for you. You are living proof that cow manure can grow legs and walk! LOL! Now the question is, why are you denying those are your very own words as is incredibly obvious to anyone who reads it?">>>.
When I went back and checked the web site, I found that bit of information had been removed, what dirty tricks manipulation. Yet this same dirty trickster had posted the following,
<<<"LOL! This gets more hillarious by the moment! Now **** is "denying" this is her Bio! And says it's that of a 14 yr old girl to boot!!!! And this "14 year old girl" is making a distortion of her material! Oh me God! I can't stop laughing! This is tooooo much! **** - you suddenly can not even claim your own statement! LOL! Pleeeeease, don't insult our intelligence! There is nothing - I repeat - NOTHING on that page that claims anything about a 14 yr old girl:">>>.
But one other poster on this form where the dirty trickster posted his Phishing lies said,
<<<" If **** is really a teenager then all the adults on the forum need to have patience with her.">>>
I then said,
<<<" Apparently some teenager has pirated my internet name for use on a forum I have never posted on and taken some of my post on other sites and claimed them as her own.
I assume no responsibility for this 14 year old's pirating nor any distortion of my material made by her any more than the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, assumes any responsibility for the distorted Bible knockoff made by an unauthorized individual, Muhammad (pbuh). The responsibility for same rest solely on the one doing the pirating.">>>.
Last, This dirty trickster adds insult to injury as part of her diatribe of lies. This dirty trickster then claimed I am a Polytheist; whereas, reality is that I am a Monotheist and have even written an article on this subject, "Difference Between Monotheist and Polytheist Is In Who They Worship:" At this time he, the dirty trickster Phishinger falsely accused me of <<<" **** (*** *****), is a habitual liar!">>>.
CONCLUSION:
Clearly showing that to support their false religion, some members of Islam will make use of the most underhanded dirty tricks and fraudulent phishing wrongs.
Now a religion whose members, some, must resort to such tactics to defend it, can clearly only be a false religion and nothing else.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL.543A]
Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof. 13 Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell it to the generation following. 14 For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death. Psalms 48:12 – 14, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Prophet Isaiah foretold that the high and mighty and their destruction at Isaiah 26:11, [AV] “LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.” It was the duty of all Hebrew parents to take time to teach their children as recorded by Moses at Deuteronomy 11:19, [AV] “And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.” Yes, they must be taught to trust in Almighty God (YHWH) as stated at Psalms 31:14, [AV] “But I trusted in thee, O LORD: I said, Thou art my God.” And to accept the guidance of God per Isaiah 58:11, [AV] And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.“
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RELIGION AND THE BIBLE, GO TO,
1) http://iris89.conforums.com/
2) http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/
3) http://religioustruths.lefora.com/
4) http://religioustruths.boardhost.com/
5) http://religioustruths.forumsland.com/
6) http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/
7) https://religioustruths.forumotion.com/
To enjoy an online Bible study called “Follow the Christ” go to,http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/thread/1417398076/last-1417398076/Digital+Book+On+18+Part+Follow+Christ+Bible+Study
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Francis David said it long ago, "Neither the sword of popes...nor the image of death will halt the march of truth. "Francis David, 1579, written on the wall of his prison cell." Read the book, "What Does The Bible Really Teach" and the Bible today, and go to WWW.JW.ORG!
[2] NEW LOWS OF DESPICABLE ACTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF ISLAM
INTRODUCTION:
In the past the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) of some members of putting out half-truths and outright lies rather than facing up to reality, the truth, per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
Members of Islam in the past of made despicable untruthful claims that their pagan god, "Allah," is the same as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but some of these same untruthful ones inadvertently let the cat out-of-the-bag, the truth, as shown in a discussion with one of them as follows:
A member of Islam has even admitted that fact as follows:
<<<[[My comment on your untrue statement.]] "You made a dumb statement that denies reality and even what you said in the past,">>>.
<<<[[Your statement, a member of Islam ]] "Jesus is never been crucified">>>.
<<<[[My comment on your untrue statement.]] "Which is both untrue and you well know it, as you previously said,">>>.
<<<[[Your statement, a member of Islam ]][quote][size=13pt] I will not accept a god that is not able to save his own son.">>>.
<<<[[My comment on your untrue statement.]] "So you have knowingly told an untruth and you know what that makes you, so stop being in a state of denial and become a genuine (true) Christian.">>>.
Of course this is NOT an isolated case, here is another example which is full of lies and untruths where a member of Islam admitted to the fact that their god is not the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is:
<<<"The christian god has evolved and no longer believe's in killing infant's. May be he is on a guilt trip, perhap's? I have a question:why do you think he would no longer kill kid's?">>>.
As can be seen, they make very disrespectful false and lying comments about the genuine God, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
This is standard SOP fare for many members of Islam, but now they have stopped to a new dispicable low of using bogus web sites and even admitting to altering them which is of course identify theft and fraudulent activity against individuals exposing their false belief.
Now let's look at an actual case.
IDENTITY THEFT AND FRAUDULENT ACTIVITY BY A MEMBER OF ISLAM - EXPLANATION:
A bogus web site was created in keeping with illegal phishing principles in a form of identity theft meant to discredit an individual exposing their false beliefs using distorted material and make-up items to try and discredit truth. But let's first review what phishing and bogus websites are.
An encyclopedia says the following on phishing, <<<" This phishing attempt, disguised as an official email from a (fictional) bank, attempts to trick the bank's members into giving away their account information by "confirming" it at the phisher's linked website.[[or in the case under study, to deceive others in an attempt to discredit someone exposing their false beliefs.]]...
Phishing techniques, Link manipulation,
Most methods of phishing use some form of technical deception designed to make a link in an email (and the spoofed website it leads to) appear to belong to the spoofed organization. Misspelled URLs or the use of subdomains are common tricks used by phishers, such as this example URL, http://www.yourbank.com.example.com/. Another common trick is to make the anchor text for a link appear to be a valid URL when the link actually goes to the phishers' site.
An old method of spoofing links used links containing the @ symbol, originally intended as a way to include a username and password in a web link (contrary to the standard). For example, the link http://www.google.com@members.tripod.com/ might deceive a casual observer into believing that the link will open a page on www.google.com, whereas the link actually directs the browser to a page on members.tripod.com, using a username of www.google.com: the page opens normally, regardless of the username supplied. Such URLs were disabled in Internet Explorer, while the Mozilla and Opera web browsers opted to present a warning message and give users the option of continuing to the site or cancelling.
A further problem with URLs has been found in the handling of Internationalized domain names (IDN) in web browsers, that might allow visually identical web addresses to lead to different, possibly malicious, websites. Despite the publicity surrounding the flaw, known as IDN spoofing or a homograph attack, no known phishing attacks have yet taken advantage of it. Phishers have taken advantage of a similar risk, using open URL redirectors on the websites of trusted organizations to disguise malicious URLs with a trusted domain...
Website forgery, Once the victim visits the website the deception is not over. Some phishing scams use JavaScript commands in order to alter the address bar. This is done either by placing a picture of the legitimate entity's URL over the address bar, or by closing the original address bar and opening a new one containing the legitimate URL. ..
The damage caused by phishing ranges from loss of access to email to substantial financial loss. This style of identity theft is becoming more popular, because of the ease with which unsuspecting people often divulge personal information to phishers, including credit card numbers, social security numbers, and mothers' maiden names. There are also fears that identity thieves can add such information to that they have gained through phishing simply by accessing public records.[34] Once this information is acquired, the phishers may use a person's details to create fake accounts in a victim's name, ruin a victim's credit, or even prevent victims from accessing their own accounts."[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
Now members of Islam are starting to use the despicable practice of phishing to try and discredit individuals exposing their false beliefs in imitation of disreputable companies as shown by the action of one company:
<<<" JBoss under fire, accused of bogus postings, DATE: 19 May 2004,
SOURCE: eWEEK, URL: http://www.eweek.com/article2/..., Editor's Summary: Developer tools maker JBoss is being accused of dirty tricks by members of the open source community. One report says the company has been blamed for creating fake user posts to open.[source - Eweek]>>>.
Now when members of a religion turn to such dirty tricks it really is an open admission that their beliefs are false since they can NOT defend them by using reality and facts. Such dirty tricks clearly show the fraudulent nature of the religion whose members use them. Let's now look at a salient egregious example of use of these dirty tricks by a member of Islam.
IDENTITY THEFT AND FRAUDULENT ACTIVITY BY A MEMBER OF ISLAM:
My first response to the bogus website was one of disbelief as I had no idea what was happening as I was inexperienced with such dirty tricks was as follows:
<<<" FIRST, ****, myself, is not a teenager.
SECOND, Apparently some teenager has pirated my internet name for use on a forum I have never posted on and taken some of my post on other sites and claimed them as her own.
Also,I went to the link ****[name of phishing practitioner] posted, http://******.u.yuku.com/ , and what I found is NOT a site of mine, but of some 14 year old girl I do not know who lives in Washington D.C. per her profile, a city I have never been in who is making a distortion of some of my material.".>>>.
What was posted was something purporting to be my profile and having some material apparently lifted from some of my real websites, but intentionally distorted and modified to deceive others into believing it was something of mine, listing my age as 14, when I am a adult married person, and what appeared to be links to some of my articles on other forums - links did not work for me.
This web site was NOT even in my style since I only use forums for posting my articles designed to let all know the reality, the truth, in line with John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). But in investigating this site that I do not remember ever even hearing of, let alone posting on, I could find not even one article of mine clearly showing that someone had created this bogus phishing profile solely to try and discredit my exposure of their false beliefs. I can not definitely say who or whether it was the same person now fraudulently using it.
Now note the unbelievable reply I received from this fraudulent phishinger.
<<<" Now, let's look at the facts: **** (*** *****), you are a lying porker! LOL!
I just went to the yuka website and set up a profile myself: http://******.u.yuku.com/
Note on the one I just set up - where it states the "age" in upper left corner of profile (above).
That is where an age would show if there was one! I put in 107!">>>.
I was astonished that this fraudulent phishinger actually testified that he had manipulated a web site and admitted he had put in the unbelievable age of 107 - the brazenness of wrong doers never ceases to amaze me. But of course these types of dirty tricks is clear testimony to a false religion when practiced by one of its members. Reminds one of the many false charges and dirty tricks pulled by Inquisitioners during the Catholic inquisition, for those who wish to read up on those, read "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" by John Foxe, an English Classic.
But this dirty tricks individuals next comments clearly show just how brazen this wrong doer is,
<<<" NO AGE GIVEN! I even checked your profile while logged in to yuka myself as well. NO AGE ON THAT PROFILE WHATSOEVER - NO 14 Yr. identifier. Nothing at all about the creator of that profile being 14 years old ANYWHERE on that profile! You are telling fibs again iris89! Just like your fib saying you were "Arab" LOL! Sheesh! You are sooooo pathetic I almost feel embarrassed for you. You are living proof that cow manure can grow legs and walk! LOL! Now the question is, why are you denying those are your very own words as is incredibly obvious to anyone who reads it?">>>.
When I went back and checked the web site, I found that bit of information had been removed, what dirty tricks manipulation. Yet this same dirty trickster had posted the following,
<<<"LOL! This gets more hillarious by the moment! Now **** is "denying" this is her Bio! And says it's that of a 14 yr old girl to boot!!!! And this "14 year old girl" is making a distortion of her material! Oh me God! I can't stop laughing! This is tooooo much! **** - you suddenly can not even claim your own statement! LOL! Pleeeeease, don't insult our intelligence! There is nothing - I repeat - NOTHING on that page that claims anything about a 14 yr old girl:">>>.
But one other poster on this form where the dirty trickster posted his Phishing lies said,
<<<" If **** is really a teenager then all the adults on the forum need to have patience with her.">>>
I then said,
<<<" Apparently some teenager has pirated my internet name for use on a forum I have never posted on and taken some of my post on other sites and claimed them as her own.
I assume no responsibility for this 14 year old's pirating nor any distortion of my material made by her any more than the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, assumes any responsibility for the distorted Bible knockoff made by an unauthorized individual, Muhammad (pbuh). The responsibility for same rest solely on the one doing the pirating.">>>.
Last, This dirty trickster adds insult to injury as part of her diatribe of lies. This dirty trickster then claimed I am a Polytheist; whereas, reality is that I am a Monotheist and have even written an article on this subject, "Difference Between Monotheist and Polytheist Is In Who They Worship:" At this time he, the dirty trickster Phishinger falsely accused me of <<<" **** (*** *****), is a habitual liar!">>>.
CONCLUSION:
Clearly showing that to support their false religion, some members of Islam will make use of the most underhanded dirty tricks and fraudulent phishing wrongs.
Now a religion whose members, some, must resort to such tactics to defend it, can clearly only be a false religion and nothing else.
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 544A]
The king’s favour is toward a wise servant: but his wrath is against him that causeth shame. Proverbs 14:35, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This Biblical truth is re-stated at Matthew 24:45 - 51, [AV] “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” An actual example of this truth is shown at 1 Kings 2:44 - 46, [AV] “The king said moreover to Shimei, Thou knowest all the wickedness which thine heart is privy to, that thou didst to David my father: therefore the LORD shall return thy wickedness upon thine own head; 45 And king Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD for ever. 46 So the king commanded Benaiah the son of Jehoiada; which went out, and fell upon him, that he died. And the kingdom was established in the hand of Solomon.”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the The purple mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana), colloquially known simply as mangosteen, is a tropical evergreen tree believed to have originated in the Sunda Islands and the Moluccas of Indonesia. It grows mainly in Southeast Asia, and also in tropical countries such as Colombia, Sri Lanka, in the state of Kerala in India and in Puerto Rico and Hawaii,[1][2] where the tree has been introduced. The tree grows from 6 to 25 m (19.7 to 82.0 ft) tall.[3] The fruit of the mangosteen is sweet and tangy, juicy, somewhat fibrous, with fluid-filled vesicles (like the flesh of citrus fruits), with an inedible, deep reddish-purple colored rind (exocarp) when ripe.[1] In each fruit, the fragrant edible flesh that surrounds each seed is botanically endocarp, i.e., the inner layer of the ovary.[4][5] Seeds are almond-shaped and sized.
The purple mangosteen belongs to the same genus as the other, less widely known,mangosteens, such as the button mangosteen (G. prainiana) or the charichuelo (G. madruno).
History
Mangosteen is a native plant to Sunda Islands and the Moluccas of Indonesia. Highly valued for its juicy, delicate texture and slightly sweet and sour flavour, the mangosteen has been cultivated in Java, Sumatra, Mainland Southeast Asia, and the southern Philippines since ancient times. The 15th-century Chinese record Yingyai Shenglan described mangosteen asmang-chi-shih (derived from Javanese manggis), a native plant of Java of white flesh with delectable sweet and sour taste.[6]
A description of mangosteen was included in the Species Plantarum by Linnaeus in 1753. The mangosteen was introduced into English greenhouses in 1855.[7] Subsequently its culture was introduced into the Western Hemisphere, where it became established in West Indies islands, especially Jamaica. It was later established on the Americas mainland in Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, and Ecuador. The mangosteen tree generally does not grow well outside the tropics.
Propagation, cultivation and harvest
Mangosteen is usually propagated by seedlings.[3][8] Vegetative propagation is difficult and seedlings are more robust and reach fruiting earlier than vegetative propagated plants.[3][8]
Mangosteen produces a recalcitrant seed which is not a true seed strictly defined, but rather described as a nucellarasexual embryo.[3][8][9] As seed formation involves no sexual fertilization, the seedling is genetically identical to the mother plant.[3][8] If allowed to dry, a seed dies quickly, but if soaked, seed germination takes between 14 and 21 days when the plant can be kept in a nursery for about 2 years growing in a small pot.[8]
When the trees are approximately 25–30 cm (10–12 in), they are transplanted to the field at a distance of 20–40 m (66–131 ft).[3][8] After planting, the field is mulched in order to control weeds.[3][10] Transplanting takes place in the rainy season because young trees are likely to be damaged by drought.[3][8] Because young trees need shade,[3][10] intercropping withbanana, plantain, rambutan, durian or coconut leaves is effective.[3][8] Coconut palms are mainly used in areas with a long dry season, as palms also provide shade for mature mangosteen trees.[3][8] Another advantage of intercropping in mangosteen cultivation is the suppression of weeds.[3][10]
The growth of the trees is retarded if the temperature is below 20 °C. The ideal temperature range for growing and producing fruits is between 25 °C and 35 °C[11] with a relative humidity over 80%.[10] The maximal temperature is between 38 °C and 40 °C, with both leaves and fruit being susceptible to scorching and sunburn,[10][11] while the minimum temperature is between 3 °C and 5 °C.[11] Young seedlings prefer a high level of shade and mature trees are shade-tolerant.[11]
Mangosteen trees have a weak root system and prefer deep, well drained soils with high moisture content, often growing on riverbanks.[10] The mangosteen is not adapted to limestone soils, sandy, alluvial soils or sandy soils with low organic matter content.[11][12] Mangosteen trees need a well distributed rainfall over the year (<40 mm/month) and a 3–5 week dry season.[11]
Mangosteen trees are sensitive to water availability and application of fertilizer input which is increased with the age of trees, regardless of region.[3][10] Maturation of mangosteen fruits takes 5–6 months, with harvest occurring when thepericarps are purple.[3][9]
Breeding
In breeding of perennial mangosteen, selection of rootstock and grafting are significant issues to overcome constraints to production, harvesting or seasonality.[3] Most of the genetic resources for breeding are in germplasm collections, whereas some wild species are cultivated in Malaysia and the Philippines.[3][8] Conservation methods are chosen because storage of seeds under dried and low temperature conditions has not been successful.[3]
Because of the long duration until the trees yield fruits and the long resulting breeding cycles, mangosteen breeding has not proven attractive for transplanting or research.[3][13] Breeding objectives that may enhance mangosteen production include:[13]
* Drought tolerance, especially sensitivity to drought in the first 5 years after germination
* Tree architecture to produce a tree with a crown that is regular and pyramid-shaped
* Fruit quality including i) overcoming bitter taste components caused by changes in pulp, pericarp or aril and ii) pericarp cracking resulting from excessive water uptake
* Rootstock for improved adaptation to drought and robust development in early years of growth
Yield
Mangosteen trees reach fruit-bearing in as little as 5–6 years, but more typically require 8–10 years.[3][9] The yield of the mangosteen is variable, depending on climate and age of the tree.[3] If the young tree is bearing for the first time, 200-300 fruits may be produced, whereas at maturity, 500 fruits per season are average.[3] At age 30 to 45 years in full maturity, each tree may yield as many as 3,000 fruits, with trees as old as 100 years still producing.[3]
Regional production
Major mangosteen production occurs in Southeast Asia, mainly in Thailand as the country with the most acreage planted, estimated at 4,000 ha in 1965[3] and 11,000 ha in 2000, giving a total yield of 46,000 tons.[8] Indonesia, Malaysia and thePhilippines are other major Asian producers.[8] Mangosteen production in Puerto Rico is succeeding,[1][9] but despite decades of attempts, no major production occurs elsewhere in the Caribbean Islands, South America, Florida, California,Hawaii or any continent except Asia.[3]
Diseases and pests
Common diseases and pests
The pathogens which attack purple mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana) are common in other tropical trees. The diseases can be divided into foliar, fruit, stem and soil-borne diseases.[14]
Pestalotiopsis leaf blight (Pestalotiopsis flagisettula (only identified in Thailand)) is one of the diseases which infect especially young leaves.[14] Furthermore, the pathogen causes the fruits to rot before and after the harvest.[14] Additionalstem canker and dieback are caused by the pathogen.[14] Some of the symptoms of stem canker are branch splitting,gummosis and bark blistering.[14] The main areas where the disease was observed are Thailand, Malaysia and North Queensland.[14]
Another common disease is the thread blight or white thread blight disease (Marasmiellus scandens) whereas the name comes from the mycelia which resembles thread.[14] Leaves, twigs and branches may also be damaged by the disease.[14]The spores spread with the help of wind, raindrops and insects, and thrive in shady, humid and wet conditions.[14]
An important post-harvest disease affecting mangosteen especially in Thailand is called Diplodia fruit rot (Diplodia theobromae) which, as a secondary pathogen, enters the host plant through wounds.[14]
Phellinus noxius living on the roots and trunk bases causes brown root disease, a name derived from the appearance of themycelium-binding soil particles.[14] The distribution of the fungus happens through contact with infected wood or thickrhizomorphs on tree stumps.[14]
There are a few pests which feed on mangosteen leaves and fruits including leaf eater (Stictoptera sp.), leaf miner(Phyllocnictis citrella) and fruit borer (Curculio sp.).[8] Especially in nurseries, the larval stage of the leaf eater can cause visible damage on young leaves, but can be managed by biological control agents.[8] The larval stage of fruit borer (Curculio sp.) feeds on different parts of fruit before ripening.[8]
Control measures for diseases and pests
Different management options can be applied to control mangosteen diseases.[8][14]
* Measures to inhibit sun scalding to minimize leaf blight and stem canker.
* Reduction of wounds caused by insects and storm damage to minimize disease incidence.
* Change of the microclimate by tree spacing and pruning.
* Chemicals applied to root collars and tree stumps to control root diseases.
* Fungicides to control fungal pathogens.
* Biological pest control or insecticides to control insects.
Tree and fruit
A tropical tree, the mangosteen must be grown in consistently warm conditions, as exposure to temperatures below 0 °C (32 °F) for prolonged periods will usually kill a mature plant. They are known to recover from brief cold spells rather well, often with damage only to young growth. Experienced horticulturists have grown this species outdoors, and brought them to fruit in extreme south Florida.[1]
The juvenile mangosteen fruit, which does not require fertilisation to form (seeagamospermy), first appears as pale green or almost white in the shade of thecanopy. As the fruit enlarges over the next two to three months, the exocarp colour deepens to darker green. During this period, the fruit increases in size until its exocarp is 6–8 centimetres (2.4–3.1 in) in outside diameter, remaining hard until a final, abrupt ripening stage.
The subsurface chemistry of the mangosteen exocarp comprises an array of polyphenols, including xanthones and tannins that assure astringency which discourages infestation by insects, fungi, plant viruses, bacteria and animal predation while the fruit is immature. Colour changes and softening of the exocarp are natural processes of ripening that indicates the fruit can be eaten and the seeds have finished developing.[15]
Once the developing mangosteen fruit has stopped expanding, chlorophyllsynthesis slows as the next colour phase begins. Initially streaked with red, the exocarp pigmentation transitions from green to red to dark purple, indicating a final ripening stage. This entire process takes place over a period of ten days as the edible quality of the fruit peaks.
Over the days following removal from the tree, the exocarp hardens to an extent depending upon post-harvest handling and ambient storage conditions, especially relative humidity levels. If the ambient humidity is high, exocarp hardening may take a week or longer when the flesh quality is peaking and excellent for consumption. However, after several additional days of storage, especially if unrefrigerated, the flesh inside the fruit might spoil without any obvious external indications. Using the hardness of the rind as an indicator of freshness for the first two weeks following harvest is therefore unreliable because the rind does not accurately reveal the interior condition of the flesh. If the exocarp is soft and yielding as it is when ripe and fresh from the tree, the fruit is usually good.[9]
The edible endocarp of the mangosteen has the same shape and size as a tangerine 4–6 centimetres (1.6–2.4 in) in diameter, but is white.[9] The number of fruit segments corresponds exactly with the number of stigma lobes on the exteriorapex;[3][9] accordingly, a higher number of fleshy segments also corresponds with the fewest seeds.[3] The circle of wedge-shaped segments contains 4–8, rarely 9 segments,[9] the larger ones harbouring the apomictic seeds that are unpalatable unless roasted.[3]
Often described as a subtle delicacy, the flesh bears an exceptionally mild aroma, quantitatively having about 1/400th of the chemical constituents of fragrant fruits, explaining its relative mildness.[16] The main volatile components having caramel,grass and butter notes as part of the mangosteen fragrance are hexyl acetate, hexenol and ?-copaene.
Nutritional content
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The endocarp is the white part of the fruit containing a mild flavor that makes the fruit popular for eating.[1][9] When analyzed specifically for its content of essential nutrients, however, mangosteen nutrition is modest, as all nutrients analyzed are a low percentage of the Dietary Reference Intake (see right table for canned fruit in syrup, USDA Nutrient Database; note that nutrient values for fresh fruit are likely different, but have not been published by a reputable source).[9][17]
Uses[edit]
Culinary[edit]
Due to restrictions on imports, mangosteen is not readily available in certain countries. Although available in Australia, for example, they are still rare in the produce sections of grocery stores in North America andEurope. Following export from its natural growing regions in Southeast Asia, the fresh fruit may be available seasonally in some local markets like those of Chinatowns.[1]
Mangosteens are available canned and frozen in Western countries. Without fumigation or irradiation (in order to kill the Asian fruit fly) fresh mangosteens were illegal to import into the United States until 2007.[18]Freeze-dried and dehydrated mangosteen flesh can also be found.
Upon arrival in the US in 2007, fresh mangosteens sold at up to $60 per pound in speciality produce stores in New York City, but wider availability and somewhat lower prices have become common in the United States and Canada.[2] Despite efforts described above to grow mangosteen in the Western Hemisphere, nearly the entire supply is imported from Thailand.[19] Canned mangosteens are also available in the United States for a much lower price, but much of the fruit's unique flavor is lost in the canning process.[citation needed]
Young fruit
Before ripening, the mangosteen shell is fibrous and firm, but becomes soft and easy to pry open when the fruit ripens. To open a mangosteen, the shell is usually scored first with a knife; one holds the fruit in both hands, prying gently along the score with the thumbs until the rind cracks. It is then easy to pull the halves apart along the crack and remove the fruit. Occasionally, during peeling of ripe fruits, the purple exocarp juice may stain skin or fabric.
There is a legend about Queen Victoria offering a reward of 100 pounds sterling to anyone who could deliver to her the fresh fruit.[1][9] Although this legend can be traced to a 1930 publication by the fruit explorer, David Fairchild, it is not substantiated by any known historical document, yet is probably responsible for the uncommon designation of mangosteen as the "Queen of Fruit".[9]
In his publication, "Hortus Veitchii", James Herbert Veitch says he visited Java in 1892, "to eat the Mangosteen. It is necessary to eat the Mangosteen grown within three or four degrees of latitude of the equator to realize at all the attractive and curious properties of this fruit."[20]
The journalist and gourmet R. W. Apple, Jr. once said of the fruit, "No other fruit, for me, is so thrillingly, intoxicatingly luscious...I'd rather eat one than a hot fudge sundae, which for a big Ohio boy is saying a lot."[21] Since 2006, private small volume orders for fruits grown in Puerto Rico were sold to American gourmet restaurants who serve the flesh segments as a delicacy dessert.[1]
Traditional medicine and research
Various parts of the plant have a history of use in traditional medicine, mostly in Southeast Asia; it may have been used to treat skin infections, wounds, dysentery, and urinary tract infections.[3][22]
According to the American Cancer Society, "there is no reliable evidence that mangosteen juice, puree, or bark is effective as a treatment for cancer in humans".[23]
Other uses
Mangosteen twigs have been used as chew sticks in Ghana, and the wood has been used to make spears and cabinetry inThailand. The rind of the mangosteen fruit has also been used to tan leather in China.
Peel phytochemicals
Mangosteen peel contains xanthonoids, such as mangostin, and other phytochemicals.[22] Research on the phytochemistry of the plant without human clinical study, however, is inadequate to assure the safety or efficacy of its use as a supplement.[22][24]
Marketing
Fresh mangosteen is marketed for only a short period of six to ten weeks due to its seasonal nature.[2][8] It is mainly grown by smallholders and sold at fruit stalls by roadsides. Its irregular, short supply leads to wide price fluctuations throughout its season. The price of mangosteen has also been subject to great fluctuations over the years.[1][25] Additionally, there is no standard product quality assessment or grading system, making international trade of the fruits difficult.[8] The mangosteen still remains rare in Western markets, though its popularity is increasing, and it is often sold at a high price.[2][26]
References
1. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i Karp, David (9 August 2006). "Forbidden? Not the Mangosteen". The New York Times. Retrieved22 May 2010.
2. ^ to:a b c d Karp, David (8 August 2007). "Mangosteens Arrive, but Be Prepared to Pay". The New York Times. Retrieved22 May 2010.
3. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa ab Morton, Julia F. (1987). "Mangosteen". Fruits of warm climates. Purdue University. pp. 301–304. Retrieved 4 December2012.
4. ^ Mabberley, D.J. 1997. The plant book: A portable dictionary of the vascular plants. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge.
5. ^ "Garcinia mangostana (Clusiaceae)". Montoso Gardens. Retrieved 4 December 2012.
6. ^ Huan Ma, Chengjun Feng, John Vivian Gottlieb Mills.Ying-yai Sheng-lan: 'The Overall Survey of the Ocean's Shores' (1433). p. 92. Retrieved 2 May 2015.
7. ^ "Mangosteen". Encyclopaedia Britannica. Retrieved2 May 2015.
8. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r bin Osman, Mohamad (2006). Mangosteen Garcinia mangostana L. Southampton, UK: University of Southampton. ISBN 0854328173.
9. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i j k l Crown I (2014). "Science: Mangosteen information". Mangosteen.com. The mangosteen website.
10. ^ to:a b c d e f g Yaacob, Othman; Tindall, H.D. (1995).Mangosteen cultivation. Rome: Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. ISBN 92-5-103459-1.
11. ^ to:a b c d e f Diczbalis, Yan (2011). "Farm and Forestry Production and Marketing for Mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana)". Elevitch C.R.
12. ^ Paull, R.E.; Duarte, O. (2012). Mangosteen. Crop Production Science in Horticulture.
13. ^ to:a b Te-chato, Sompong; Lim, Mongkol (2005). "7.1 Garcinia mangostana Mangosteen". In Litz, R. E.Biotechnology of Fruit and Nut Crops. Wallingford, UK: CABI Publishing.
14. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i j k l m Lim, T.-K.; Sangchote, S. (2003). "16 Diseases on Mangosteen". In Ploetz, R. C. Diseases of Tropical Fruit Crops. Wallingford, UK: CABI Publishing.
15. ^ Simon PW (26 May 1996). "Plant Pigments for Color and Nutrition". US Department of Agriculture, republished from HortScience 32(1):12-13, 1997.
16. ^ MacLeod AJ, Pieris NM. Volatile flavour components of mangosteen, Garcinia mangostana" Phytochemistry 21:117–9, 1982
17. ^ NutritionData.com (2012). "Mangosteen, canned, syrup pack, per 100 g". Conde Nast. Retrieved 31 May 2013.
18. ^ Karp, David (27 June 2007). "Welcome at the Border: Thai Fruits, Once Banned". The New York Times. Retrieved22 May 2010.
19. ^ "Market Potential for Mangosteen and Salaaca" (PDF). Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations. Retrieved December 4, 2014.
20. ^ Veitch, James Herbert (2006). Hortus Veitchii. Caradoc Doy. p. 89. ISBN 0-9553515-0-2.
21. ^ Apple, R. W. (24 Sep 2003). "Forbidden Fruit: Something About A Mangosteen". New York Times. Retrieved13 June 2012.
22. ^ to:a b c Obolskiy, Dmitriy; Pischel, Ivo; Siriwatanametanon, Nisarat; Heinrich, Michael (2009). "Garcinia mangostanaL.: A phytochemical and pharmacological review". Phytotherapy Research 23 (8): 1047–65. doi:10.1002/ptr.2730.PMID 19172667.
23. ^ "Mangosteen Juice". American Cancer Society. November 2008. Retrieved August 2013.
24. ^ Gross P, Crown I (2009). "The Mangosteen Controversy". Engredea (May 21, 2009). Retrieved4 January 2010.
25. ^ "Mangosteen price too low: farmers". The Nation. 31 July 2007. Retrieved 4 December 2012.
26. ^ Temple-West, Patrick (5 March 2008). "Tropical sweetness: harnessing the elusive mangosteen". Medill Reports. Retrieved 4 December 2012.
[sourc - retrieved from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_mangosteen on 10/15/2015]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 544A]
The king’s favour is toward a wise servant: but his wrath is against him that causeth shame. Proverbs 14:35, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This Biblical truth is re-stated at Matthew 24:45 - 51, [AV] “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” An actual example of this truth is shown at 1 Kings 2:44 - 46, [AV] “The king said moreover to Shimei, Thou knowest all the wickedness which thine heart is privy to, that thou didst to David my father: therefore the LORD shall return thy wickedness upon thine own head; 45 And king Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD for ever. 46 So the king commanded Benaiah the son of Jehoiada; which went out, and fell upon him, that he died. And the kingdom was established in the hand of Solomon.”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the The purple mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana), colloquially known simply as mangosteen, is a tropical evergreen tree believed to have originated in the Sunda Islands and the Moluccas of Indonesia. It grows mainly in Southeast Asia, and also in tropical countries such as Colombia, Sri Lanka, in the state of Kerala in India and in Puerto Rico and Hawaii,[1][2] where the tree has been introduced. The tree grows from 6 to 25 m (19.7 to 82.0 ft) tall.[3] The fruit of the mangosteen is sweet and tangy, juicy, somewhat fibrous, with fluid-filled vesicles (like the flesh of citrus fruits), with an inedible, deep reddish-purple colored rind (exocarp) when ripe.[1] In each fruit, the fragrant edible flesh that surrounds each seed is botanically endocarp, i.e., the inner layer of the ovary.[4][5] Seeds are almond-shaped and sized.
The purple mangosteen belongs to the same genus as the other, less widely known,mangosteens, such as the button mangosteen (G. prainiana) or the charichuelo (G. madruno).
History
Mangosteen is a native plant to Sunda Islands and the Moluccas of Indonesia. Highly valued for its juicy, delicate texture and slightly sweet and sour flavour, the mangosteen has been cultivated in Java, Sumatra, Mainland Southeast Asia, and the southern Philippines since ancient times. The 15th-century Chinese record Yingyai Shenglan described mangosteen asmang-chi-shih (derived from Javanese manggis), a native plant of Java of white flesh with delectable sweet and sour taste.[6]
A description of mangosteen was included in the Species Plantarum by Linnaeus in 1753. The mangosteen was introduced into English greenhouses in 1855.[7] Subsequently its culture was introduced into the Western Hemisphere, where it became established in West Indies islands, especially Jamaica. It was later established on the Americas mainland in Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, and Ecuador. The mangosteen tree generally does not grow well outside the tropics.
Propagation, cultivation and harvest
Mangosteen is usually propagated by seedlings.[3][8] Vegetative propagation is difficult and seedlings are more robust and reach fruiting earlier than vegetative propagated plants.[3][8]
Mangosteen produces a recalcitrant seed which is not a true seed strictly defined, but rather described as a nucellarasexual embryo.[3][8][9] As seed formation involves no sexual fertilization, the seedling is genetically identical to the mother plant.[3][8] If allowed to dry, a seed dies quickly, but if soaked, seed germination takes between 14 and 21 days when the plant can be kept in a nursery for about 2 years growing in a small pot.[8]
When the trees are approximately 25–30 cm (10–12 in), they are transplanted to the field at a distance of 20–40 m (66–131 ft).[3][8] After planting, the field is mulched in order to control weeds.[3][10] Transplanting takes place in the rainy season because young trees are likely to be damaged by drought.[3][8] Because young trees need shade,[3][10] intercropping withbanana, plantain, rambutan, durian or coconut leaves is effective.[3][8] Coconut palms are mainly used in areas with a long dry season, as palms also provide shade for mature mangosteen trees.[3][8] Another advantage of intercropping in mangosteen cultivation is the suppression of weeds.[3][10]
The growth of the trees is retarded if the temperature is below 20 °C. The ideal temperature range for growing and producing fruits is between 25 °C and 35 °C[11] with a relative humidity over 80%.[10] The maximal temperature is between 38 °C and 40 °C, with both leaves and fruit being susceptible to scorching and sunburn,[10][11] while the minimum temperature is between 3 °C and 5 °C.[11] Young seedlings prefer a high level of shade and mature trees are shade-tolerant.[11]
Mangosteen trees have a weak root system and prefer deep, well drained soils with high moisture content, often growing on riverbanks.[10] The mangosteen is not adapted to limestone soils, sandy, alluvial soils or sandy soils with low organic matter content.[11][12] Mangosteen trees need a well distributed rainfall over the year (<40 mm/month) and a 3–5 week dry season.[11]
Mangosteen trees are sensitive to water availability and application of fertilizer input which is increased with the age of trees, regardless of region.[3][10] Maturation of mangosteen fruits takes 5–6 months, with harvest occurring when thepericarps are purple.[3][9]
Breeding
In breeding of perennial mangosteen, selection of rootstock and grafting are significant issues to overcome constraints to production, harvesting or seasonality.[3] Most of the genetic resources for breeding are in germplasm collections, whereas some wild species are cultivated in Malaysia and the Philippines.[3][8] Conservation methods are chosen because storage of seeds under dried and low temperature conditions has not been successful.[3]
Because of the long duration until the trees yield fruits and the long resulting breeding cycles, mangosteen breeding has not proven attractive for transplanting or research.[3][13] Breeding objectives that may enhance mangosteen production include:[13]
* Drought tolerance, especially sensitivity to drought in the first 5 years after germination
* Tree architecture to produce a tree with a crown that is regular and pyramid-shaped
* Fruit quality including i) overcoming bitter taste components caused by changes in pulp, pericarp or aril and ii) pericarp cracking resulting from excessive water uptake
* Rootstock for improved adaptation to drought and robust development in early years of growth
Yield
Mangosteen trees reach fruit-bearing in as little as 5–6 years, but more typically require 8–10 years.[3][9] The yield of the mangosteen is variable, depending on climate and age of the tree.[3] If the young tree is bearing for the first time, 200-300 fruits may be produced, whereas at maturity, 500 fruits per season are average.[3] At age 30 to 45 years in full maturity, each tree may yield as many as 3,000 fruits, with trees as old as 100 years still producing.[3]
Regional production
Major mangosteen production occurs in Southeast Asia, mainly in Thailand as the country with the most acreage planted, estimated at 4,000 ha in 1965[3] and 11,000 ha in 2000, giving a total yield of 46,000 tons.[8] Indonesia, Malaysia and thePhilippines are other major Asian producers.[8] Mangosteen production in Puerto Rico is succeeding,[1][9] but despite decades of attempts, no major production occurs elsewhere in the Caribbean Islands, South America, Florida, California,Hawaii or any continent except Asia.[3]
Diseases and pests
Common diseases and pests
The pathogens which attack purple mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana) are common in other tropical trees. The diseases can be divided into foliar, fruit, stem and soil-borne diseases.[14]
Pestalotiopsis leaf blight (Pestalotiopsis flagisettula (only identified in Thailand)) is one of the diseases which infect especially young leaves.[14] Furthermore, the pathogen causes the fruits to rot before and after the harvest.[14] Additionalstem canker and dieback are caused by the pathogen.[14] Some of the symptoms of stem canker are branch splitting,gummosis and bark blistering.[14] The main areas where the disease was observed are Thailand, Malaysia and North Queensland.[14]
Another common disease is the thread blight or white thread blight disease (Marasmiellus scandens) whereas the name comes from the mycelia which resembles thread.[14] Leaves, twigs and branches may also be damaged by the disease.[14]The spores spread with the help of wind, raindrops and insects, and thrive in shady, humid and wet conditions.[14]
An important post-harvest disease affecting mangosteen especially in Thailand is called Diplodia fruit rot (Diplodia theobromae) which, as a secondary pathogen, enters the host plant through wounds.[14]
Phellinus noxius living on the roots and trunk bases causes brown root disease, a name derived from the appearance of themycelium-binding soil particles.[14] The distribution of the fungus happens through contact with infected wood or thickrhizomorphs on tree stumps.[14]
There are a few pests which feed on mangosteen leaves and fruits including leaf eater (Stictoptera sp.), leaf miner(Phyllocnictis citrella) and fruit borer (Curculio sp.).[8] Especially in nurseries, the larval stage of the leaf eater can cause visible damage on young leaves, but can be managed by biological control agents.[8] The larval stage of fruit borer (Curculio sp.) feeds on different parts of fruit before ripening.[8]
Control measures for diseases and pests
Different management options can be applied to control mangosteen diseases.[8][14]
* Measures to inhibit sun scalding to minimize leaf blight and stem canker.
* Reduction of wounds caused by insects and storm damage to minimize disease incidence.
* Change of the microclimate by tree spacing and pruning.
* Chemicals applied to root collars and tree stumps to control root diseases.
* Fungicides to control fungal pathogens.
* Biological pest control or insecticides to control insects.
Tree and fruit
A tropical tree, the mangosteen must be grown in consistently warm conditions, as exposure to temperatures below 0 °C (32 °F) for prolonged periods will usually kill a mature plant. They are known to recover from brief cold spells rather well, often with damage only to young growth. Experienced horticulturists have grown this species outdoors, and brought them to fruit in extreme south Florida.[1]
The juvenile mangosteen fruit, which does not require fertilisation to form (seeagamospermy), first appears as pale green or almost white in the shade of thecanopy. As the fruit enlarges over the next two to three months, the exocarp colour deepens to darker green. During this period, the fruit increases in size until its exocarp is 6–8 centimetres (2.4–3.1 in) in outside diameter, remaining hard until a final, abrupt ripening stage.
The subsurface chemistry of the mangosteen exocarp comprises an array of polyphenols, including xanthones and tannins that assure astringency which discourages infestation by insects, fungi, plant viruses, bacteria and animal predation while the fruit is immature. Colour changes and softening of the exocarp are natural processes of ripening that indicates the fruit can be eaten and the seeds have finished developing.[15]
Once the developing mangosteen fruit has stopped expanding, chlorophyllsynthesis slows as the next colour phase begins. Initially streaked with red, the exocarp pigmentation transitions from green to red to dark purple, indicating a final ripening stage. This entire process takes place over a period of ten days as the edible quality of the fruit peaks.
Over the days following removal from the tree, the exocarp hardens to an extent depending upon post-harvest handling and ambient storage conditions, especially relative humidity levels. If the ambient humidity is high, exocarp hardening may take a week or longer when the flesh quality is peaking and excellent for consumption. However, after several additional days of storage, especially if unrefrigerated, the flesh inside the fruit might spoil without any obvious external indications. Using the hardness of the rind as an indicator of freshness for the first two weeks following harvest is therefore unreliable because the rind does not accurately reveal the interior condition of the flesh. If the exocarp is soft and yielding as it is when ripe and fresh from the tree, the fruit is usually good.[9]
The edible endocarp of the mangosteen has the same shape and size as a tangerine 4–6 centimetres (1.6–2.4 in) in diameter, but is white.[9] The number of fruit segments corresponds exactly with the number of stigma lobes on the exteriorapex;[3][9] accordingly, a higher number of fleshy segments also corresponds with the fewest seeds.[3] The circle of wedge-shaped segments contains 4–8, rarely 9 segments,[9] the larger ones harbouring the apomictic seeds that are unpalatable unless roasted.[3]
Often described as a subtle delicacy, the flesh bears an exceptionally mild aroma, quantitatively having about 1/400th of the chemical constituents of fragrant fruits, explaining its relative mildness.[16] The main volatile components having caramel,grass and butter notes as part of the mangosteen fragrance are hexyl acetate, hexenol and ?-copaene.
Nutritional content
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The endocarp is the white part of the fruit containing a mild flavor that makes the fruit popular for eating.[1][9] When analyzed specifically for its content of essential nutrients, however, mangosteen nutrition is modest, as all nutrients analyzed are a low percentage of the Dietary Reference Intake (see right table for canned fruit in syrup, USDA Nutrient Database; note that nutrient values for fresh fruit are likely different, but have not been published by a reputable source).[9][17]
Uses[edit]
Culinary[edit]
Due to restrictions on imports, mangosteen is not readily available in certain countries. Although available in Australia, for example, they are still rare in the produce sections of grocery stores in North America andEurope. Following export from its natural growing regions in Southeast Asia, the fresh fruit may be available seasonally in some local markets like those of Chinatowns.[1]
Mangosteens are available canned and frozen in Western countries. Without fumigation or irradiation (in order to kill the Asian fruit fly) fresh mangosteens were illegal to import into the United States until 2007.[18]Freeze-dried and dehydrated mangosteen flesh can also be found.
Upon arrival in the US in 2007, fresh mangosteens sold at up to $60 per pound in speciality produce stores in New York City, but wider availability and somewhat lower prices have become common in the United States and Canada.[2] Despite efforts described above to grow mangosteen in the Western Hemisphere, nearly the entire supply is imported from Thailand.[19] Canned mangosteens are also available in the United States for a much lower price, but much of the fruit's unique flavor is lost in the canning process.[citation needed]
Young fruit
Before ripening, the mangosteen shell is fibrous and firm, but becomes soft and easy to pry open when the fruit ripens. To open a mangosteen, the shell is usually scored first with a knife; one holds the fruit in both hands, prying gently along the score with the thumbs until the rind cracks. It is then easy to pull the halves apart along the crack and remove the fruit. Occasionally, during peeling of ripe fruits, the purple exocarp juice may stain skin or fabric.
There is a legend about Queen Victoria offering a reward of 100 pounds sterling to anyone who could deliver to her the fresh fruit.[1][9] Although this legend can be traced to a 1930 publication by the fruit explorer, David Fairchild, it is not substantiated by any known historical document, yet is probably responsible for the uncommon designation of mangosteen as the "Queen of Fruit".[9]
In his publication, "Hortus Veitchii", James Herbert Veitch says he visited Java in 1892, "to eat the Mangosteen. It is necessary to eat the Mangosteen grown within three or four degrees of latitude of the equator to realize at all the attractive and curious properties of this fruit."[20]
The journalist and gourmet R. W. Apple, Jr. once said of the fruit, "No other fruit, for me, is so thrillingly, intoxicatingly luscious...I'd rather eat one than a hot fudge sundae, which for a big Ohio boy is saying a lot."[21] Since 2006, private small volume orders for fruits grown in Puerto Rico were sold to American gourmet restaurants who serve the flesh segments as a delicacy dessert.[1]
Traditional medicine and research
Various parts of the plant have a history of use in traditional medicine, mostly in Southeast Asia; it may have been used to treat skin infections, wounds, dysentery, and urinary tract infections.[3][22]
According to the American Cancer Society, "there is no reliable evidence that mangosteen juice, puree, or bark is effective as a treatment for cancer in humans".[23]
Other uses
Mangosteen twigs have been used as chew sticks in Ghana, and the wood has been used to make spears and cabinetry inThailand. The rind of the mangosteen fruit has also been used to tan leather in China.
Peel phytochemicals
Mangosteen peel contains xanthonoids, such as mangostin, and other phytochemicals.[22] Research on the phytochemistry of the plant without human clinical study, however, is inadequate to assure the safety or efficacy of its use as a supplement.[22][24]
Marketing
Fresh mangosteen is marketed for only a short period of six to ten weeks due to its seasonal nature.[2][8] It is mainly grown by smallholders and sold at fruit stalls by roadsides. Its irregular, short supply leads to wide price fluctuations throughout its season. The price of mangosteen has also been subject to great fluctuations over the years.[1][25] Additionally, there is no standard product quality assessment or grading system, making international trade of the fruits difficult.[8] The mangosteen still remains rare in Western markets, though its popularity is increasing, and it is often sold at a high price.[2][26]
References
1. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i Karp, David (9 August 2006). "Forbidden? Not the Mangosteen". The New York Times. Retrieved22 May 2010.
2. ^ to:a b c d Karp, David (8 August 2007). "Mangosteens Arrive, but Be Prepared to Pay". The New York Times. Retrieved22 May 2010.
3. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa ab Morton, Julia F. (1987). "Mangosteen". Fruits of warm climates. Purdue University. pp. 301–304. Retrieved 4 December2012.
4. ^ Mabberley, D.J. 1997. The plant book: A portable dictionary of the vascular plants. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge.
5. ^ "Garcinia mangostana (Clusiaceae)". Montoso Gardens. Retrieved 4 December 2012.
6. ^ Huan Ma, Chengjun Feng, John Vivian Gottlieb Mills.Ying-yai Sheng-lan: 'The Overall Survey of the Ocean's Shores' (1433). p. 92. Retrieved 2 May 2015.
7. ^ "Mangosteen". Encyclopaedia Britannica. Retrieved2 May 2015.
8. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r bin Osman, Mohamad (2006). Mangosteen Garcinia mangostana L. Southampton, UK: University of Southampton. ISBN 0854328173.
9. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i j k l Crown I (2014). "Science: Mangosteen information". Mangosteen.com. The mangosteen website.
10. ^ to:a b c d e f g Yaacob, Othman; Tindall, H.D. (1995).Mangosteen cultivation. Rome: Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. ISBN 92-5-103459-1.
11. ^ to:a b c d e f Diczbalis, Yan (2011). "Farm and Forestry Production and Marketing for Mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana)". Elevitch C.R.
12. ^ Paull, R.E.; Duarte, O. (2012). Mangosteen. Crop Production Science in Horticulture.
13. ^ to:a b Te-chato, Sompong; Lim, Mongkol (2005). "7.1 Garcinia mangostana Mangosteen". In Litz, R. E.Biotechnology of Fruit and Nut Crops. Wallingford, UK: CABI Publishing.
14. ^ to:a b c d e f g h i j k l m Lim, T.-K.; Sangchote, S. (2003). "16 Diseases on Mangosteen". In Ploetz, R. C. Diseases of Tropical Fruit Crops. Wallingford, UK: CABI Publishing.
15. ^ Simon PW (26 May 1996). "Plant Pigments for Color and Nutrition". US Department of Agriculture, republished from HortScience 32(1):12-13, 1997.
16. ^ MacLeod AJ, Pieris NM. Volatile flavour components of mangosteen, Garcinia mangostana" Phytochemistry 21:117–9, 1982
17. ^ NutritionData.com (2012). "Mangosteen, canned, syrup pack, per 100 g". Conde Nast. Retrieved 31 May 2013.
18. ^ Karp, David (27 June 2007). "Welcome at the Border: Thai Fruits, Once Banned". The New York Times. Retrieved22 May 2010.
19. ^ "Market Potential for Mangosteen and Salaaca" (PDF). Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations. Retrieved December 4, 2014.
20. ^ Veitch, James Herbert (2006). Hortus Veitchii. Caradoc Doy. p. 89. ISBN 0-9553515-0-2.
21. ^ Apple, R. W. (24 Sep 2003). "Forbidden Fruit: Something About A Mangosteen". New York Times. Retrieved13 June 2012.
22. ^ to:a b c Obolskiy, Dmitriy; Pischel, Ivo; Siriwatanametanon, Nisarat; Heinrich, Michael (2009). "Garcinia mangostanaL.: A phytochemical and pharmacological review". Phytotherapy Research 23 (8): 1047–65. doi:10.1002/ptr.2730.PMID 19172667.
23. ^ "Mangosteen Juice". American Cancer Society. November 2008. Retrieved August 2013.
24. ^ Gross P, Crown I (2009). "The Mangosteen Controversy". Engredea (May 21, 2009). Retrieved4 January 2010.
25. ^ "Mangosteen price too low: farmers". The Nation. 31 July 2007. Retrieved 4 December 2012.
26. ^ Temple-West, Patrick (5 March 2008). "Tropical sweetness: harnessing the elusive mangosteen". Medill Reports. Retrieved 4 December 2012.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 545A]
For as regards Christ Jesus neither circumcision is of any value nor is uncircumcision, but faith operating through love is. Galatians 5:6.
Yes, “you were, of course called, called for freedom, brothers, only do not use this freedom as an inducement for the flesh, but through love slave for one another. For the entire law stands fulfilled on one saying, namely , “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal. 5:13-14). Here, the Apostle Paul was bringing out how no one was now under the old law covenant, but all were under the new commandment and were required to love their neighbor. He went on to say, “On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no low.” (Gal. 5:22-23).
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[2] IS ISLAM A PEACEFUL RELIGION PER THE QURAN? (IN TWO PARTS, VOL 545A AND 546A)
Take a good look at the following teachings from the Suras in the Quaran, by comparison to the Christian Bible. The bottom line is, which of the two, after a thorough evaluation offer love and peace and God's only plan of salvation to everyone, and eternal life with Him.
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Islam teaches: Jesus is not the Son of God, did not die for our sins, was not crucified, was not divine as well as human and is not the Savior of the world. Suras 4:157; 5:19. 75; 9:30. We shall now look at these Suras in three (3) different versions of the Quran in English:
004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
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YUSUFALI: O People of the Book! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) our messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)": But now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things.
PICKTHAL: O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you to make things plain unto you after an interval (of cessation) of the messengers, lest ye should say: There came not unto us a messenger of cheer nor any warner. Now hath a messenger of cheer and a warner come unto you. Allah is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you explaining to you after a cessation of the (mission of the) messengers, lest you say: There came not to us a giver of good news or a warner, so indeed there has come to you a giver of good news and a warner; and Allah has power over all things.
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YUSUFALI: Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
PICKTHAL: The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!
SHAKIR: The Messiah, son of Marium is but a messenger; messengers before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat food. See how We make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.
009.030
YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
PICKTHAL: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
In Sura 18:10, Allah told Muhammed: "Say, I am but a man like yourselves."
018.010
YUSUFALI: Behold, the youths betook themselves to the Cave: they said, "Our Lord! bestow on us Mercy from Thyself, and dispose of our affair for us in the right way!"
PICKTHAL: When the young men fled for refuge to the Cave and said: Our Lord! Give us mercy from Thy presence, and shape for us right conduct in our plight.
SHAKIR: When the youths sought refuge in the cave, they said: Our Lord! grant us mercy from Thee, and provide for us a right course in our affair.
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The Quaran gives four conflicting accounts of how Muhammed was called a prophet. 1. In Suras 53:2-18 and 81:19-24, Allah personally appeared. 2. In Suras 16:102 and 26:192-194 he was called by the "Holy Spirit." 3. In Sura 15:8, the angels announced his prophetic ministry. 4. In Suras 46:29-35; 72:1-28, the angel Gabriel told him of his ministry and gave him the Quaran. Muhammed's first supposed converts were Genies, but no one confirms his priesthood.
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Suras 53:2-18:
053.002
YUSUFALI: Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.
PICKTHAL: Your comrade erreth not, nor is deceived;
SHAKIR: Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray;
053.003
YUSUFALI: Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
PICKTHAL: Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire.
SHAKIR: Nor does he speak out of desire.
053.004
YUSUFALI: It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:
PICKTHAL: It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired,
SHAKIR: It is naught but revelation that is revealed,
053.005
YUSUFALI: He was taught by one Mighty in Power,
PICKTHAL: Which one of mighty powers hath taught him,
SHAKIR: The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him,
053.006
YUSUFALI: Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form);
PICKTHAL: One vigorous; and he grew clear to view
SHAKIR: The Lord of Strength; so he attained completion,
053.007
YUSUFALI: While he was in the highest part of the horizon:
PICKTHAL: When he was on the uppermost horizon.
SHAKIR: And he is in the highest part of the horizon.
053.008
YUSUFALI: Then he approached and came closer,
PICKTHAL: Then he drew nigh and came down
SHAKIR: Then he drew near, then he bowed
053.009
YUSUFALI: And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
PICKTHAL: Till he was (distant) two bows' length or even nearer,
SHAKIR: So he was the measure of two bows or closer still.
053.010
YUSUFALI: So did (Allah) convey the inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (meant) to convey.
PICKTHAL: And He revealed unto His slave that which He revealed.
SHAKIR: And He revealed to His servant what He revealed.
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YUSUFALI: The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.
PICKTHAL: The heart lied not (in seeing) what it saw.
SHAKIR: The heart was not untrue in (making him see) what he saw.
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YUSUFALI: Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw?
PICKTHAL: Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he seeth?
SHAKIR: What! do you then dispute with him as to what he saw?
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YUSUFALI: For indeed he saw him at a second descent,
PICKTHAL: And verily he saw him yet another time
SHAKIR: And certainly he saw him in another descent,
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YUSUFALI: Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass:
PICKTHAL: By the lote-tree of the utmost boundary,
SHAKIR: At the farthest lote-tree;
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YUSUFALI: Near it is the Garden of Abode.
PICKTHAL: Nigh unto which is the Garden of Abode.
SHAKIR: Near which is the garden, the place to be resorted to.
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YUSUFALI: Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!)
PICKTHAL: When that which shroudeth did enshroud the lote-tree,
SHAKIR: When that which covers covered the lote-tree;
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YUSUFALI: (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
PICKTHAL: The eye turned not aside nor yet was overbold.
SHAKIR: The eye did not turn aside, nor did it exceed the limit.
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YUSUFALI: For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!
PICKTHAL: Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord.
SHAKIR: Certainly he saw of the greatest signs of his Lord. 81:19-24
Suras 81:19-24:
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YUSUFALI: Verily this is the word of a most honourable Messenger,
PICKTHAL: That this is in truth the word of an honoured messenger,
SHAKIR: Most surely it is the Word of an honored messenger,
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YUSUFALI: Endued with Power, with rank before the Lord of the Throne,
PICKTHAL: Mighty, established in the presence of the Lord of the Throne,
SHAKIR: The processor of strength, having an honorable place with the Lord of the Dominion,
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YUSUFALI: With authority there, (and) faithful to his trust.
PICKTHAL: (One) to be obeyed, and trustworthy;
SHAKIR: One (to be) obeyed, and faithful in trust.
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YUSUFALI: And (O people!) your companion is not one possessed;
PICKTHAL: And your comrade is not mad.
SHAKIR: And your companion is not gone mad.
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YUSUFALI: And without doubt he saw him in the clear horizon.
PICKTHAL: Surely he beheld Him on the clear horizon.
SHAKIR: And of a truth he saw himself on the clear horizon.
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YUSUFALI: Neither doth he withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen.
PICKTHAL: And he is not avid of the Unseen.
SHAKIR: Nor of the unseen is he a tenacious concealer.
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Sura 16:102:
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YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
PICKTHAL: Say: The holy Spirit hath delivered it from thy Lord with truth, that it may confirm (the faith of) those who believe, and as guidance and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah).
SHAKIR: Say: The Holy spirit has revealed it from your Lord with the truth, that it may establish those who believe and as a guidance and good news for those who submit.
Suras 26:192-194:
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YUSUFALI: Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:
PICKTHAL: And lo! it is a revelation of the Lord of the Worlds,
SHAKIR: And most surely this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
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YUSUFALI: With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth-
PICKTHAL: Which the True Spirit hath brought down
SHAKIR: The Faithful Spirit has descended with it,
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YUSUFALI: To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish.
PICKTHAL: Upon thy heart, that thou mayst be (one) of the warners,
SHAKIR: Upon your heart that you may be of the warners
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Sura 15:8:
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YUSUFALI: We send not the angels down except for just cause: if they came (to the ungodly), behold! no respite would they have!
PICKTHAL: We send not down the angels save with the Fact, and in that case (the disbelievers) would not be tolerated.
SHAKIR: We do not send the angels but with truth, and then they would not be respited.
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Suras 46:29-35:
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YUSUFALI: Behold, We turned towards thee a company of Jinns (quietly) listening to the Qur'an: when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, "Listen in silence!" When the (reading) was finished, they returned to their people, to warn (them of their sins).
PICKTHAL: And when We inclined toward thee (Muhammad) certain of the jinn, who wished to hear the Qur'an and, when they were in its presence, said: Give ear! and, when it was finished, turned back to their people, warning.
SHAKIR: And when We turned towards you a party of the jinn who listened to the Quran; so when they came to it, they said: Be silent; then when it was finished, they turned back to their people warning (them).
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YUSUFALI: They said, "O our people! We have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it: it guides (men) to the Truth and to a Straight Path.
PICKTHAL: They said: O our people! Lo! we have heard a scripture which hath been revealed after Moses, confirming that which was before it, guiding unto the truth and a right road.
SHAKIR: They said: O our people! we have listened to a Book revealed after Musa verifying that which is before it, guiding to the truth and to a right path:
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YUSUFALI: "O our people, hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah, and believe in him: He will forgive you your faults, and deliver you from a Penalty Grievous.
PICKTHAL: O our people! respond to Allah's summoner and believe in Him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from a painful doom.
SHAKIR: O our people! accept the Divine caller and believe in Him, He will forgive you of your faults and protect you from a painful punishment.
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YUSUFALI: "If any does not hearken to the one who invites (us) to Allah, he cannot frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth, and no protectors can he have besides Allah: such men (wander) in manifest error."
PICKTHAL: And whoso respondeth not to Allah's summoner he can nowise escape in the earth, and he hath no protecting friends instead of Him. Such are in error manifest.
SHAKIR: And whoever does not accept the-Divine caller, he shall not escape in the earth and he shall not have guardians besides Him, these are in manifest error.
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YUSUFALI: See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and never wearied with their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Yea, verily He has power over all things.
PICKTHAL: Have they not seen that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not wearied by their creation, is Able to give life to the dead? Aye, He verily is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: Have they not considered that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not tired by their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Aye! He has surely power over all things.
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YUSUFALI: And on the Day that the Unbelievers will be placed before the Fire, (they will be asked,) "Is this not the Truth?" they will say, "Yea, by our Lord!" (One will say:) "Then taste ye the Penalty, for that ye were wont to deny (Truth)!"
PICKTHAL: And on the day when those who disbelieve are exposed to the Fire (they will be asked): Is not this real? They will say: Yea, by our Lord. He will say: Then taste the doom for that ye disbelieved.
SHAKIR: And on the day when those who disbelieve shall be brought before the fire: Is it not true? They shall say: Aye! by our Lord! He will say: Then taste the punishment, because you disbelieved.
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YUSUFALI: Therefore patiently persevere, as did (all) messengers of inflexible purpose; and be in no haste about the (Unbelievers). On the Day that they see the (Punishment) promised them, (it will be) as if they had not tarried more than an hour in a single day. (Thine but) to proclaim the Message: but shall any be destroyed except those who transgress?
PICKTHAL: Then have patience (O Muhammad) even as the stout of heart among the messengers (of old) had patience, and seek not to hasten on (the doom) for them. On the day when they see that which they are promised (it will seem to them) as though they had tarried but an hour of daylight. A clear message. Shall any be destroyed save evil-living folk?
SHAKIR: Therefore bear up patiently as did the messengers endowed with constancy bear up with patience and do not seek to hasten for them (their doom). On the day that they shall see what they are promised they shall be as if they had not tarried save an hour of the day. A sufficient exposition! Shall then any be destroyed save the transgressing people?
Suras 72:1-28:
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YUSUFALI: Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! we have heard a marvellous Qur'an,
SHAKIR: Say: It has been revealed to me that a party of the jinn listened, and they said: Surely we have heard a wonderful Quran,
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YUSUFALI: 'It gives guidance to the Right, and we have believed therein: we shall not join (in worship) any (gods) with our Lord.
PICKTHAL: Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe no partner unto our Lord.
SHAKIR: Guiding to the right way, so we believe in it, and we will not set up any one with our Lord:
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YUSUFALI: 'And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
PICKTHAL: And (we believe) that He - exalted be the glory of our Lord! - hath taken neither wife nor son,
SHAKIR: And that He-- exalted be the majesty of our Lord-- has not taken a consort, nor a son:
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YUSUFALI: 'There were some foolish ones among us, who used to utter extravagant lies against Allah;
PICKTHAL: And that the foolish one among us used to speak concerning Allah an atrocious lie.
SHAKIR: And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah:
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YUSUFALI: 'But we do think that no man or spirit should say aught that untrue against Allah.
PICKTHAL: And lo! we had supposed that humankind and jinn would not speak a lie concerning Allah -
SHAKIR: And that we thought that men and jinn did not utter a lie against Allah:
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YUSUFALI: 'True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the Jinns, but they increased them in folly.
PICKTHAL: And indeed (O Muhammad) individuals of humankind used to invoke the protection of individuals of the jinn, so that they increased them in revolt against Allah);
SHAKIR: And that persons from among men used to seek refuge with persons from among jinn, so they increased them in wrongdoing:
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YUSUFALI: 'And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment).
PICKTHAL: And indeed they supposed, even as ye suppose, that Allah would not raise anyone (from the dead) -
SHAKIR: And that they thought as you think, that Allah would not raise anyone:
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YUSUFALI: 'And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
PICKTHAL: And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur'an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong warders and meteors.
SHAKIR: And that we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and flaming stars.
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YUSUFALI: 'We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
PICKTHAL: And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listeneth now findeth a flame in wait for him;
SHAKIR: And that we used to sit in some of the sitting-places thereof to steal a hearing, but he who would (try to) listen now would find a flame lying in wait for him:
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YUSUFALI: 'And we understand not whether ill is intended to those on earth, or whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct.
PICKTHAL: And we know not whether harm is boded unto all who are in the earth, or whether their Lord intendeth guidance for them.
SHAKIR: And that we know not whether evil is meant for those who are on earth or whether their Lord means to bring them good:
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YUSUFALI: 'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths.
PICKTHAL: And among us there are righteous folk and among us there are far from that. We are sects having different rules.
SHAKIR: And that some of us are good and others of us are below that: we are sects following different ways:
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YUSUFALI: 'But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, nor can we frustrate Him by flight.
PICKTHAL: And we know that we cannot escape from Allah in the earth, nor can we escape by flight.
SHAKIR: And that we know that we cannot escape Allah in the earth, nor can we escape Him by flight:
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YUSUFALI: 'And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice.
PICKTHAL: And when we heard the guidance, we believed therein, and whoso believeth in his Lord, he feareth neither loss nor oppression.
SHAKIR: And that when we heard the guidance, we believed in it; so whoever believes in his Lord, he should neither fear loss nor being overtaken (by disgrace):
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YUSUFALI: 'Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah), and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills - they have sought out (the path) of right conduct:
PICKTHAL: And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.
SHAKIR: And that some of us are those who submit, and some of us are the deviators; so whoever submits, these aim at the right way:
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YUSUFALI: 'But those who swerve,- they are (but) fuel for Hell-fire'-
PICKTHAL: And as for those who are unjust, they are firewood for hell.
SHAKIR: And as to the deviators, they are fuel of hell:
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YUSUFALI: (And Allah's Message is): "If they (the Pagans) had (only) remained on the (right) Way, We should certainly have bestowed on them Rain in abundance.
PICKTHAL: If they (the idolaters) tread the right path, We shall give them to drink of water in abundance
SHAKIR: And that if they should keep to the (right) way, We would certainly give them to drink of abundant water,
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YUSUFALI: "That We might try them by that (means). But if any turns away from the remembrance of his Lord, He will cause him to undergo a severe Penalty.
PICKTHAL: That We may test them thereby, and whoso turneth away from the remembrance of his Lord; He will thrust him into ever-growing torment.
SHAKIR: So that We might try them with respect to it; and whoever turns aside from the reminder of his Lord, He will make him enter into an afflicting chastisement:
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YUSUFALI: "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke not any one along with Allah;
PICKTHAL: And the places of worship are only for Allah, so pray not unto anyone along with Allah.
SHAKIR: And that the mosques are Allah's, therefore call not upon any one with Allah:
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YUSUFALI: "Yet when the Devotee of Allah stands forth to invoke Him, they just make round him a dense crowd."
PICKTHAL: And when the slave of Allah stood up in prayer to Him, they crowded on him, almost stifling.
SHAKIR: And that when the servant of Allah stood up calling upon Him, they wellnigh crowded him (to death).
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YUSUFALI: Say: "I do no more than invoke my Lord, and I join not with Him any (false god)."
PICKTHAL: Say (unto them, O Muhammad): I pray unto Allah only, and ascribe unto Him no partner.
SHAKIR: Say: I only call upon my Lord, and I do not associate any one with Him.
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SPECIAL NOTICE ON LONDON MASSACRE: DO WE WANT SAVAGES LIKE THE FOLLOWING IN WESTERN LANDS? IT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION WHETHER ALL SAVAGES SHOULD BE SENT TO THE LANDS WHERE THEIR FAMILY ORIGINATED. FOR A MORE DETAILED DATA ON THESE SAVAGES, GO TO THE NOTE ON THE END. NOW THE NEWS REPORT OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED:
London jihad terror survivor relives moment Muslim slashed her throat: ‘THIS IS FOR ALLAH, stop living this life’
Following the example of Muhammad. “This is for Allah, stop living this life” — words spoken to jihad victim as her throat was cut. She lived to tell the tale; we owe it to her to listen.
‘THIS IS FOR ALLAH, STOP LIVING THIS LIFE’: WHAT LONDON TERROR KNIFEMEN SCREAMED AS THEY SLIT AUSTRALIAN VICTIM’S THROAT IN SCENES ‘LIKE A HORROR MOVIE’ IN PACKED RESTAURANT DURING RAMPAGE THAT KILLED EIGHT
• Woman who survived London attack spoke of the moment she was stabbed
• Candice Hedge had her throat slashed and the jihadist just missed her vocal cord
• The 31-year-old says she was ‘vomiting blood’ and thought she was going to die
• Her partner Luke revealed shocking words terrorists shouted as they attacked
By April Glover and Max Margan For Daily Mail Australia, June 11, 2017:
An Australian woman and her partner who survived the London terror attack have described the moment three jihadi terrorists stormed the restaurant where they worked.
Candice Hedge, 31, from Brisbane, had her throat slashed during the rampage by three men who crashed a car through crowds on London Bridge last Saturday night before attacking innocent bystanders with knives.
Eight people died as the knifemen screaming Islamist slogans entered restaurants and pubs randomly attacking anyone in their path, before they were shot dead by police.
‘They were saying, “This is for our family, this is for Allah. Stop living this life,’ Luke told Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program.
Candice Hedge, (pictured) from Brisbane, was working at Borough Market restaurant Elliot’s with her boyfriend Luke when the three men began brutally stabbing people
The 31-year-old (pictured with her father) told Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program she looked her attacker in the eye before she was stabbed
Candice Hedge, from Brisbane, was viciously attacked in the city’s centre on Saturday night while having a drink after work
Ms Hedge was working at Elliot’s restaurant at Borough Market near the bridge, along with her boyfriend Luke.
Recalling the ordeal in her first media interview, she described how she looked her attacker in the eye seconds before she was stabbed.
‘He looked at me and I looked at him, it really happened so quickly,’ Ms Hedge said.
Of the moment she was wounded, she said: ‘It was one quick go and that was it. I was vomiting blood.’
The terrorist had slashed Ms Hedge’s throat, leaving a deep cut that almost tore through her vocal cords and main artery.
‘I could feel the amount of blood and it was warm on my hand,’ she said.
‘And I could see how much it was and, you know, you see horror movies – it was like that. I was thinking for a moment that I wasn’t going to make it.’
The area the terrorists had struck was cordoned off and no ambulances were allowed to enter in fear the attacks were still ongoing.
Ms Hedge was forced to head towards medical help on foot while clutching a piece of cloth to her bleeding throat. [sourc - retrieved from http://pamelageller.com/2017/06/london-jihad-terror-survivor-relives-moment-muslim-slashed-throat-allah-stop-living-life.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook on 6/11/2017]
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NOTE ON REALITY: LET'S FACE IT, SOME IMMIGRANTS AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE JUST SAVAGES, AND SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO WHERE THEIR FAMILIES CAME FROM IF THEY CAN NOT LIVE LIKE CIVILIZED INDIVIDUALS. MANY MUSLIMS ARE OF THIS ILK. INSTEAD OF SHOWING GRATITUDE TO THE HOST COUNTRY, THEY WANT TO COMMIT VIOLENCE, MURDER AND TO RAPE HOST COUNTRY NATIVES. TO WIT, MANY LEFT THEIR OWN COUNTRY BECAUSE LIFE WAS UNBEARABLE THERE, BUT INSTEAD OF STRIVING FOR A BETTER LIFE IN THE HOST COUNTRY, THEY SEEK TO MAKE THE HOST COUNTRY LIKE THEIR HOME COUNTRY THEY LEFT BECAUSE THEY COULD NO LONGER BEAR LIVING THERE. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SEEK TO IMPOSE SHARI LAW IN THE HOST COUNTRY AND CLAIM THEY NEED IT TO PROPERLY DISPOSE OF THEIR PROPERTY. THIS IS OF COURSE A BIG LIE AS ANY COMPETENT PARA-LEGAL CAN FASHION A WILL TO DISPOSE OF PROPERTY IN ANY LEGAL WAY INCLUDING PROPERTY LEFT TO NON-HUMANS SUCH AS DOGS. IN THE UNITED KINGDOM IN EAST LONDON THEY ARE OFTEN SEEN PROTESTING WITH SIGNS READING ‘FREEDOM NO, SHARI LAW YES’ WHICH IS NOTHING SHORT OF TREASON IN MY OPINION. IN ADDITION, THEY WANT STATE SUPPORTED RACIST SCHOOLS SO THEY CAN PERPETUATE THE EVILS OF THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM. NO COUNTRY NEEDS IMMIGRANTS OF THIS TYPE.
TOKYO IS THE LARGEST CITY IN THE WORLD, BUT HAS NOT EXPERIENCED ANY OF THIS TYPE OF TERRORIST ACTIVITY SIMPLY AS THEY DID NOT PERMIT IMMIGRANTS FROM PREDOMINATELY MUSLIM COUNTRIES CLEARLY SHOWING THE SOURCE OF THIS VIOLENCE IS IN THE UNCIVILIZED BELIEFS OF SOME IN THOSE COUNTRIES, DEFINITELY NOT ALL. EXTREME VETTING MIGHT CATCH THESE UNCIVILIZED ONES, BUT IN THE USA WHERE THE PRESIDENT WANTED TO IMPLEMENT A SMALL SCALE RUN OF THIS, HE EXPERIENCED EXTREME OPPOSITION FROM THE OTHER POLITICAL PARTY.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 545A]
For as regards Christ Jesus neither circumcision is of any value nor is uncircumcision, but faith operating through love is. Galatians 5:6.
Yes, “you were, of course called, called for freedom, brothers, only do not use this freedom as an inducement for the flesh, but through love slave for one another. For the entire law stands fulfilled on one saying, namely , “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal. 5:13-14). Here, the Apostle Paul was bringing out how no one was now under the old law covenant, but all were under the new commandment and were required to love their neighbor. He went on to say, “On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no low.” (Gal. 5:22-23).
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[2] IS ISLAM A PEACEFUL RELIGION PER THE QURAN? (IN TWO PARTS, VOL 545A AND 546A)
Take a good look at the following teachings from the Suras in the Quaran, by comparison to the Christian Bible. The bottom line is, which of the two, after a thorough evaluation offer love and peace and God's only plan of salvation to everyone, and eternal life with Him.
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Islam teaches: Jesus is not the Son of God, did not die for our sins, was not crucified, was not divine as well as human and is not the Savior of the world. Suras 4:157; 5:19. 75; 9:30. We shall now look at these Suras in three (3) different versions of the Quran in English:
004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
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YUSUFALI: O People of the Book! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) our messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)": But now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things.
PICKTHAL: O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you to make things plain unto you after an interval (of cessation) of the messengers, lest ye should say: There came not unto us a messenger of cheer nor any warner. Now hath a messenger of cheer and a warner come unto you. Allah is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you explaining to you after a cessation of the (mission of the) messengers, lest you say: There came not to us a giver of good news or a warner, so indeed there has come to you a giver of good news and a warner; and Allah has power over all things.
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YUSUFALI: Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
PICKTHAL: The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!
SHAKIR: The Messiah, son of Marium is but a messenger; messengers before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat food. See how We make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.
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YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
PICKTHAL: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
In Sura 18:10, Allah told Muhammed: "Say, I am but a man like yourselves."
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YUSUFALI: Behold, the youths betook themselves to the Cave: they said, "Our Lord! bestow on us Mercy from Thyself, and dispose of our affair for us in the right way!"
PICKTHAL: When the young men fled for refuge to the Cave and said: Our Lord! Give us mercy from Thy presence, and shape for us right conduct in our plight.
SHAKIR: When the youths sought refuge in the cave, they said: Our Lord! grant us mercy from Thee, and provide for us a right course in our affair.
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The Quaran gives four conflicting accounts of how Muhammed was called a prophet. 1. In Suras 53:2-18 and 81:19-24, Allah personally appeared. 2. In Suras 16:102 and 26:192-194 he was called by the "Holy Spirit." 3. In Sura 15:8, the angels announced his prophetic ministry. 4. In Suras 46:29-35; 72:1-28, the angel Gabriel told him of his ministry and gave him the Quaran. Muhammed's first supposed converts were Genies, but no one confirms his priesthood.
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Suras 53:2-18:
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YUSUFALI: Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.
PICKTHAL: Your comrade erreth not, nor is deceived;
SHAKIR: Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray;
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YUSUFALI: Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
PICKTHAL: Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire.
SHAKIR: Nor does he speak out of desire.
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YUSUFALI: It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:
PICKTHAL: It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired,
SHAKIR: It is naught but revelation that is revealed,
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YUSUFALI: He was taught by one Mighty in Power,
PICKTHAL: Which one of mighty powers hath taught him,
SHAKIR: The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him,
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YUSUFALI: Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form);
PICKTHAL: One vigorous; and he grew clear to view
SHAKIR: The Lord of Strength; so he attained completion,
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YUSUFALI: While he was in the highest part of the horizon:
PICKTHAL: When he was on the uppermost horizon.
SHAKIR: And he is in the highest part of the horizon.
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YUSUFALI: Then he approached and came closer,
PICKTHAL: Then he drew nigh and came down
SHAKIR: Then he drew near, then he bowed
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YUSUFALI: And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
PICKTHAL: Till he was (distant) two bows' length or even nearer,
SHAKIR: So he was the measure of two bows or closer still.
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YUSUFALI: So did (Allah) convey the inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (meant) to convey.
PICKTHAL: And He revealed unto His slave that which He revealed.
SHAKIR: And He revealed to His servant what He revealed.
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YUSUFALI: The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.
PICKTHAL: The heart lied not (in seeing) what it saw.
SHAKIR: The heart was not untrue in (making him see) what he saw.
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YUSUFALI: Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw?
PICKTHAL: Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he seeth?
SHAKIR: What! do you then dispute with him as to what he saw?
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YUSUFALI: For indeed he saw him at a second descent,
PICKTHAL: And verily he saw him yet another time
SHAKIR: And certainly he saw him in another descent,
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YUSUFALI: Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass:
PICKTHAL: By the lote-tree of the utmost boundary,
SHAKIR: At the farthest lote-tree;
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YUSUFALI: Near it is the Garden of Abode.
PICKTHAL: Nigh unto which is the Garden of Abode.
SHAKIR: Near which is the garden, the place to be resorted to.
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YUSUFALI: Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!)
PICKTHAL: When that which shroudeth did enshroud the lote-tree,
SHAKIR: When that which covers covered the lote-tree;
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YUSUFALI: (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
PICKTHAL: The eye turned not aside nor yet was overbold.
SHAKIR: The eye did not turn aside, nor did it exceed the limit.
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YUSUFALI: For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!
PICKTHAL: Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord.
SHAKIR: Certainly he saw of the greatest signs of his Lord. 81:19-24
Suras 81:19-24:
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YUSUFALI: Verily this is the word of a most honourable Messenger,
PICKTHAL: That this is in truth the word of an honoured messenger,
SHAKIR: Most surely it is the Word of an honored messenger,
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YUSUFALI: Endued with Power, with rank before the Lord of the Throne,
PICKTHAL: Mighty, established in the presence of the Lord of the Throne,
SHAKIR: The processor of strength, having an honorable place with the Lord of the Dominion,
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YUSUFALI: With authority there, (and) faithful to his trust.
PICKTHAL: (One) to be obeyed, and trustworthy;
SHAKIR: One (to be) obeyed, and faithful in trust.
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YUSUFALI: And (O people!) your companion is not one possessed;
PICKTHAL: And your comrade is not mad.
SHAKIR: And your companion is not gone mad.
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YUSUFALI: And without doubt he saw him in the clear horizon.
PICKTHAL: Surely he beheld Him on the clear horizon.
SHAKIR: And of a truth he saw himself on the clear horizon.
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YUSUFALI: Neither doth he withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen.
PICKTHAL: And he is not avid of the Unseen.
SHAKIR: Nor of the unseen is he a tenacious concealer.
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Sura 16:102:
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YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
PICKTHAL: Say: The holy Spirit hath delivered it from thy Lord with truth, that it may confirm (the faith of) those who believe, and as guidance and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah).
SHAKIR: Say: The Holy spirit has revealed it from your Lord with the truth, that it may establish those who believe and as a guidance and good news for those who submit.
Suras 26:192-194:
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YUSUFALI: Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:
PICKTHAL: And lo! it is a revelation of the Lord of the Worlds,
SHAKIR: And most surely this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
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YUSUFALI: With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth-
PICKTHAL: Which the True Spirit hath brought down
SHAKIR: The Faithful Spirit has descended with it,
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YUSUFALI: To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish.
PICKTHAL: Upon thy heart, that thou mayst be (one) of the warners,
SHAKIR: Upon your heart that you may be of the warners
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Sura 15:8:
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YUSUFALI: We send not the angels down except for just cause: if they came (to the ungodly), behold! no respite would they have!
PICKTHAL: We send not down the angels save with the Fact, and in that case (the disbelievers) would not be tolerated.
SHAKIR: We do not send the angels but with truth, and then they would not be respited.
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Suras 46:29-35:
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YUSUFALI: Behold, We turned towards thee a company of Jinns (quietly) listening to the Qur'an: when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, "Listen in silence!" When the (reading) was finished, they returned to their people, to warn (them of their sins).
PICKTHAL: And when We inclined toward thee (Muhammad) certain of the jinn, who wished to hear the Qur'an and, when they were in its presence, said: Give ear! and, when it was finished, turned back to their people, warning.
SHAKIR: And when We turned towards you a party of the jinn who listened to the Quran; so when they came to it, they said: Be silent; then when it was finished, they turned back to their people warning (them).
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YUSUFALI: They said, "O our people! We have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it: it guides (men) to the Truth and to a Straight Path.
PICKTHAL: They said: O our people! Lo! we have heard a scripture which hath been revealed after Moses, confirming that which was before it, guiding unto the truth and a right road.
SHAKIR: They said: O our people! we have listened to a Book revealed after Musa verifying that which is before it, guiding to the truth and to a right path:
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YUSUFALI: "O our people, hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah, and believe in him: He will forgive you your faults, and deliver you from a Penalty Grievous.
PICKTHAL: O our people! respond to Allah's summoner and believe in Him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from a painful doom.
SHAKIR: O our people! accept the Divine caller and believe in Him, He will forgive you of your faults and protect you from a painful punishment.
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YUSUFALI: "If any does not hearken to the one who invites (us) to Allah, he cannot frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth, and no protectors can he have besides Allah: such men (wander) in manifest error."
PICKTHAL: And whoso respondeth not to Allah's summoner he can nowise escape in the earth, and he hath no protecting friends instead of Him. Such are in error manifest.
SHAKIR: And whoever does not accept the-Divine caller, he shall not escape in the earth and he shall not have guardians besides Him, these are in manifest error.
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YUSUFALI: See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and never wearied with their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Yea, verily He has power over all things.
PICKTHAL: Have they not seen that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not wearied by their creation, is Able to give life to the dead? Aye, He verily is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: Have they not considered that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not tired by their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Aye! He has surely power over all things.
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YUSUFALI: And on the Day that the Unbelievers will be placed before the Fire, (they will be asked,) "Is this not the Truth?" they will say, "Yea, by our Lord!" (One will say:) "Then taste ye the Penalty, for that ye were wont to deny (Truth)!"
PICKTHAL: And on the day when those who disbelieve are exposed to the Fire (they will be asked): Is not this real? They will say: Yea, by our Lord. He will say: Then taste the doom for that ye disbelieved.
SHAKIR: And on the day when those who disbelieve shall be brought before the fire: Is it not true? They shall say: Aye! by our Lord! He will say: Then taste the punishment, because you disbelieved.
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YUSUFALI: Therefore patiently persevere, as did (all) messengers of inflexible purpose; and be in no haste about the (Unbelievers). On the Day that they see the (Punishment) promised them, (it will be) as if they had not tarried more than an hour in a single day. (Thine but) to proclaim the Message: but shall any be destroyed except those who transgress?
PICKTHAL: Then have patience (O Muhammad) even as the stout of heart among the messengers (of old) had patience, and seek not to hasten on (the doom) for them. On the day when they see that which they are promised (it will seem to them) as though they had tarried but an hour of daylight. A clear message. Shall any be destroyed save evil-living folk?
SHAKIR: Therefore bear up patiently as did the messengers endowed with constancy bear up with patience and do not seek to hasten for them (their doom). On the day that they shall see what they are promised they shall be as if they had not tarried save an hour of the day. A sufficient exposition! Shall then any be destroyed save the transgressing people?
Suras 72:1-28:
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YUSUFALI: Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! we have heard a marvellous Qur'an,
SHAKIR: Say: It has been revealed to me that a party of the jinn listened, and they said: Surely we have heard a wonderful Quran,
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YUSUFALI: 'It gives guidance to the Right, and we have believed therein: we shall not join (in worship) any (gods) with our Lord.
PICKTHAL: Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe no partner unto our Lord.
SHAKIR: Guiding to the right way, so we believe in it, and we will not set up any one with our Lord:
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YUSUFALI: 'And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
PICKTHAL: And (we believe) that He - exalted be the glory of our Lord! - hath taken neither wife nor son,
SHAKIR: And that He-- exalted be the majesty of our Lord-- has not taken a consort, nor a son:
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YUSUFALI: 'There were some foolish ones among us, who used to utter extravagant lies against Allah;
PICKTHAL: And that the foolish one among us used to speak concerning Allah an atrocious lie.
SHAKIR: And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah:
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YUSUFALI: 'But we do think that no man or spirit should say aught that untrue against Allah.
PICKTHAL: And lo! we had supposed that humankind and jinn would not speak a lie concerning Allah -
SHAKIR: And that we thought that men and jinn did not utter a lie against Allah:
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YUSUFALI: 'True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the Jinns, but they increased them in folly.
PICKTHAL: And indeed (O Muhammad) individuals of humankind used to invoke the protection of individuals of the jinn, so that they increased them in revolt against Allah);
SHAKIR: And that persons from among men used to seek refuge with persons from among jinn, so they increased them in wrongdoing:
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YUSUFALI: 'And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment).
PICKTHAL: And indeed they supposed, even as ye suppose, that Allah would not raise anyone (from the dead) -
SHAKIR: And that they thought as you think, that Allah would not raise anyone:
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YUSUFALI: 'And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
PICKTHAL: And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur'an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong warders and meteors.
SHAKIR: And that we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and flaming stars.
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YUSUFALI: 'We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
PICKTHAL: And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listeneth now findeth a flame in wait for him;
SHAKIR: And that we used to sit in some of the sitting-places thereof to steal a hearing, but he who would (try to) listen now would find a flame lying in wait for him:
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YUSUFALI: 'And we understand not whether ill is intended to those on earth, or whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct.
PICKTHAL: And we know not whether harm is boded unto all who are in the earth, or whether their Lord intendeth guidance for them.
SHAKIR: And that we know not whether evil is meant for those who are on earth or whether their Lord means to bring them good:
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YUSUFALI: 'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths.
PICKTHAL: And among us there are righteous folk and among us there are far from that. We are sects having different rules.
SHAKIR: And that some of us are good and others of us are below that: we are sects following different ways:
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YUSUFALI: 'But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, nor can we frustrate Him by flight.
PICKTHAL: And we know that we cannot escape from Allah in the earth, nor can we escape by flight.
SHAKIR: And that we know that we cannot escape Allah in the earth, nor can we escape Him by flight:
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YUSUFALI: 'And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice.
PICKTHAL: And when we heard the guidance, we believed therein, and whoso believeth in his Lord, he feareth neither loss nor oppression.
SHAKIR: And that when we heard the guidance, we believed in it; so whoever believes in his Lord, he should neither fear loss nor being overtaken (by disgrace):
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YUSUFALI: 'Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah), and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills - they have sought out (the path) of right conduct:
PICKTHAL: And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.
SHAKIR: And that some of us are those who submit, and some of us are the deviators; so whoever submits, these aim at the right way:
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YUSUFALI: 'But those who swerve,- they are (but) fuel for Hell-fire'-
PICKTHAL: And as for those who are unjust, they are firewood for hell.
SHAKIR: And as to the deviators, they are fuel of hell:
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YUSUFALI: (And Allah's Message is): "If they (the Pagans) had (only) remained on the (right) Way, We should certainly have bestowed on them Rain in abundance.
PICKTHAL: If they (the idolaters) tread the right path, We shall give them to drink of water in abundance
SHAKIR: And that if they should keep to the (right) way, We would certainly give them to drink of abundant water,
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YUSUFALI: "That We might try them by that (means). But if any turns away from the remembrance of his Lord, He will cause him to undergo a severe Penalty.
PICKTHAL: That We may test them thereby, and whoso turneth away from the remembrance of his Lord; He will thrust him into ever-growing torment.
SHAKIR: So that We might try them with respect to it; and whoever turns aside from the reminder of his Lord, He will make him enter into an afflicting chastisement:
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YUSUFALI: "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke not any one along with Allah;
PICKTHAL: And the places of worship are only for Allah, so pray not unto anyone along with Allah.
SHAKIR: And that the mosques are Allah's, therefore call not upon any one with Allah:
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YUSUFALI: "Yet when the Devotee of Allah stands forth to invoke Him, they just make round him a dense crowd."
PICKTHAL: And when the slave of Allah stood up in prayer to Him, they crowded on him, almost stifling.
SHAKIR: And that when the servant of Allah stood up calling upon Him, they wellnigh crowded him (to death).
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YUSUFALI: Say: "I do no more than invoke my Lord, and I join not with Him any (false god)."
PICKTHAL: Say (unto them, O Muhammad): I pray unto Allah only, and ascribe unto Him no partner.
SHAKIR: Say: I only call upon my Lord, and I do not associate any one with Him.
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SPECIAL NOTICE ON LONDON MASSACRE: DO WE WANT SAVAGES LIKE THE FOLLOWING IN WESTERN LANDS? IT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION WHETHER ALL SAVAGES SHOULD BE SENT TO THE LANDS WHERE THEIR FAMILY ORIGINATED. FOR A MORE DETAILED DATA ON THESE SAVAGES, GO TO THE NOTE ON THE END. NOW THE NEWS REPORT OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED:
London jihad terror survivor relives moment Muslim slashed her throat: ‘THIS IS FOR ALLAH, stop living this life’
Following the example of Muhammad. “This is for Allah, stop living this life” — words spoken to jihad victim as her throat was cut. She lived to tell the tale; we owe it to her to listen.
‘THIS IS FOR ALLAH, STOP LIVING THIS LIFE’: WHAT LONDON TERROR KNIFEMEN SCREAMED AS THEY SLIT AUSTRALIAN VICTIM’S THROAT IN SCENES ‘LIKE A HORROR MOVIE’ IN PACKED RESTAURANT DURING RAMPAGE THAT KILLED EIGHT
• Woman who survived London attack spoke of the moment she was stabbed
• Candice Hedge had her throat slashed and the jihadist just missed her vocal cord
• The 31-year-old says she was ‘vomiting blood’ and thought she was going to die
• Her partner Luke revealed shocking words terrorists shouted as they attacked
By April Glover and Max Margan For Daily Mail Australia, June 11, 2017:
An Australian woman and her partner who survived the London terror attack have described the moment three jihadi terrorists stormed the restaurant where they worked.
Candice Hedge, 31, from Brisbane, had her throat slashed during the rampage by three men who crashed a car through crowds on London Bridge last Saturday night before attacking innocent bystanders with knives.
Eight people died as the knifemen screaming Islamist slogans entered restaurants and pubs randomly attacking anyone in their path, before they were shot dead by police.
‘They were saying, “This is for our family, this is for Allah. Stop living this life,’ Luke told Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program.
Candice Hedge, (pictured) from Brisbane, was working at Borough Market restaurant Elliot’s with her boyfriend Luke when the three men began brutally stabbing people
The 31-year-old (pictured with her father) told Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program she looked her attacker in the eye before she was stabbed
Candice Hedge, from Brisbane, was viciously attacked in the city’s centre on Saturday night while having a drink after work
Ms Hedge was working at Elliot’s restaurant at Borough Market near the bridge, along with her boyfriend Luke.
Recalling the ordeal in her first media interview, she described how she looked her attacker in the eye seconds before she was stabbed.
‘He looked at me and I looked at him, it really happened so quickly,’ Ms Hedge said.
Of the moment she was wounded, she said: ‘It was one quick go and that was it. I was vomiting blood.’
The terrorist had slashed Ms Hedge’s throat, leaving a deep cut that almost tore through her vocal cords and main artery.
‘I could feel the amount of blood and it was warm on my hand,’ she said.
‘And I could see how much it was and, you know, you see horror movies – it was like that. I was thinking for a moment that I wasn’t going to make it.’
The area the terrorists had struck was cordoned off and no ambulances were allowed to enter in fear the attacks were still ongoing.
Ms Hedge was forced to head towards medical help on foot while clutching a piece of cloth to her bleeding throat. [sourc - retrieved from http://pamelageller.com/2017/06/london-jihad-terror-survivor-relives-moment-muslim-slashed-throat-allah-stop-living-life.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook on 6/11/2017]
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NOTE ON REALITY: LET'S FACE IT, SOME IMMIGRANTS AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE JUST SAVAGES, AND SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO WHERE THEIR FAMILIES CAME FROM IF THEY CAN NOT LIVE LIKE CIVILIZED INDIVIDUALS. MANY MUSLIMS ARE OF THIS ILK. INSTEAD OF SHOWING GRATITUDE TO THE HOST COUNTRY, THEY WANT TO COMMIT VIOLENCE, MURDER AND TO RAPE HOST COUNTRY NATIVES. TO WIT, MANY LEFT THEIR OWN COUNTRY BECAUSE LIFE WAS UNBEARABLE THERE, BUT INSTEAD OF STRIVING FOR A BETTER LIFE IN THE HOST COUNTRY, THEY SEEK TO MAKE THE HOST COUNTRY LIKE THEIR HOME COUNTRY THEY LEFT BECAUSE THEY COULD NO LONGER BEAR LIVING THERE. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SEEK TO IMPOSE SHARI LAW IN THE HOST COUNTRY AND CLAIM THEY NEED IT TO PROPERLY DISPOSE OF THEIR PROPERTY. THIS IS OF COURSE A BIG LIE AS ANY COMPETENT PARA-LEGAL CAN FASHION A WILL TO DISPOSE OF PROPERTY IN ANY LEGAL WAY INCLUDING PROPERTY LEFT TO NON-HUMANS SUCH AS DOGS. IN THE UNITED KINGDOM IN EAST LONDON THEY ARE OFTEN SEEN PROTESTING WITH SIGNS READING ‘FREEDOM NO, SHARI LAW YES’ WHICH IS NOTHING SHORT OF TREASON IN MY OPINION. IN ADDITION, THEY WANT STATE SUPPORTED RACIST SCHOOLS SO THEY CAN PERPETUATE THE EVILS OF THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM. NO COUNTRY NEEDS IMMIGRANTS OF THIS TYPE.
TOKYO IS THE LARGEST CITY IN THE WORLD, BUT HAS NOT EXPERIENCED ANY OF THIS TYPE OF TERRORIST ACTIVITY SIMPLY AS THEY DID NOT PERMIT IMMIGRANTS FROM PREDOMINATELY MUSLIM COUNTRIES CLEARLY SHOWING THE SOURCE OF THIS VIOLENCE IS IN THE UNCIVILIZED BELIEFS OF SOME IN THOSE COUNTRIES, DEFINITELY NOT ALL. EXTREME VETTING MIGHT CATCH THESE UNCIVILIZED ONES, BUT IN THE USA WHERE THE PRESIDENT WANTED TO IMPLEMENT A SMALL SCALE RUN OF THIS, HE EXPERIENCED EXTREME OPPOSITION FROM THE OTHER POLITICAL PARTY.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 546A]
And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. Acts 10:34-35 [American Standard Version; ASV]
Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is no respecter of race or nationality, but accepts all people earnestly following him as clearly shown by James 2:1-4, “My brethren, hold not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come into your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, and there come in also a poor man in vile clothing; 3 and ye have regard to him that weareth the fine clothing, and say, Sit thou here in a good place; and ye say to the poor man, Stand thou there, or sit under my footstool; 4 do ye not make distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?” Clearly showing that we should not draw a distinction between rich or poor or between nationalities and/or races, BUT ONLY JUDGE INDIVIDUALS BY THEIR ACTIONS.
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[2] PART 2 OF IS ISLAM A PEACEFUL RELIGION PER THE QURAN? (FIRST PART IN VOL 545)
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YUSUFALI: Say: "It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to right conduct."
PICKTHAL: Say: Lo! I control not hurt nor benefit for you.
SHAKIR: Say: I do not control for you evil or good.
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YUSUFALI: Say: "No one can deliver me from Allah (If I were to disobey Him), nor should I find refuge except in Him,
PICKTHAL: Say: Lo! none can protect me from Allah, nor can I find any refuge beside Him
SHAKIR: Say: Surely no one can protect me against Allah, nor can I find besides Him any place of refuge:
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YUSUFALI: "Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages: for any that disobey Allah and His Messenger,- for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein for ever."
PICKTHAL: (Mine is) but conveyance (of the Truth) from Allah, and His messages; and whoso disobeyeth Allah and His messenger, lo! his is fire of hell, wherein such dwell for ever.
SHAKIR: (It is) only a delivering (of communications) from Allah and His messages; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger surely he shall have the fire of hell to abide therein for a long time.
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YUSUFALI: At length, when they see (with their own eyes) that which they are promised,- then will they know who it is that is weakest in (his) helper and least important in point of numbers.
PICKTHAL: Till (the day) when they shall behold that which they are promised (they may doubt); but then they will know (for certain) who is weaker in allies and less in multitude.
SHAKIR: Until when they see what they are threatened with, then shall they know who is weaker in helpers and fewer in number.
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YUSUFALI: Say: "I know not whether the (Punishment) which ye are promised is near, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term.
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad, unto the disbelievers): I know not whether that which ye are promised is nigh, or if my Lord hath set a distant term for it.
SHAKIR: Say: I do not know whether that with which you are threatened be nigh or whether my Lord will appoint for it a term:
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YUSUFALI: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,-
PICKTHAL: (He is) the Knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret,
SHAKIR: The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any,
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YUSUFALI: "Except a messenger whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him,
PICKTHAL: Save unto every messenger whom He hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind him
SHAKIR: Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,
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YUSUFALI: "That He may know that they have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord: and He surrounds (all the mysteries) that are with them, and takes account of every single thing."
PICKTHAL: That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and He keepeth count of all things.
SHAKIR: So that He may know that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He records the number of all things.
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Islam uses Jihad ["Holy war"] to force their religion upon others. In Hadith vol.1, no. 25, [Translation of Sahih Bukhari Hadith by M. Muhsin Khan ],it states that Jihad, or holy war, is the second best thing to believing in Allah and his apostle [Muhammed]. When Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied. "To believe in Allah and his Apostle." The questioner then asked, "What is the next?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad [holy war] in Allah's cause."
In Sura 9:5, the Quaran requires violence, when it states, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war."
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Sura 5:33 records what is done to infidels who resist Islam, "Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." Muhammed also burned out eyes with hot irons in Hadith vol.1 no. 234, [Translation of Sahih Bukhari Hadith by M. Muhsin Khan ] and deprived people of water until they died, vol.8 no. 796, [Translation of Sahih Bukhari Hadith by M. Muhsin Khan ].
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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
In Sura 4:34, women are treated badly: "Men are the managers of the affairs of women...Those you fear may be rebellious...admonish; banish them to their couches and beat them."
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YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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Torment to Non-believers:
Sura 4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them, S enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
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YUSUFALI: Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
PICKTHAL: Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
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Islam Acceptable:
Sura 3.85: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
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YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
PICKTHAL: And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.
SHAKIR: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
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No friends from outsiders
Sura 3.118: O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.
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Friends with Jews, Christians...
Sura 5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
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No friends with non believers
Sura 4.144: O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
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No friends with non believers
Sura 3.28: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
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YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
PICKTHAL: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
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No friends with parents/siblings if not believers
Sura 9.23: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
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YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
PICKTHAL: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
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Fight non-believers
Sura 9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
SHAKIR: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
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Kill non-believers
Sura 4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
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YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
PICKTHAL: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
SHAKIR: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
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Anti Jewish verses
Sura 5.82: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
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YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
PICKTHAL: Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.
SHAKIR: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
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God a plotter
Sura 8.30: And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners.
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YUSUFALI: Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.
PICKTHAL: And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters.
SHAKIR: And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners.
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Killing Idolaters
Sura 9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Idolaters are unclean just because they are idolater
Sura 9.28: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
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Forcing non-believers to pay tax
Sura 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[note: force people to believe by putting them in a state of subjection, no religious freedom here, yet they want it for themselves.]
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And that's only the tip of the iceberg!
The key to the differences between Christianity and that of Islam, is the teachings found in the Bible vs that of the Quran, such as what Jesus taught in the NT:
John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).
John 10:17-30," Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18 No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself. And I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 19 ¶ A dissension rose again among the Jews for these words. 20 And many of them said: He hath a devil and is mad. Why hear you him? 21 Others said: These are not the words of one that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? 22 ¶ And it was the feast of the dedication at Jerusalem: and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon's porch. 24 The Jews therefore came round about him and said to him: How long dost thou hold our souls in suspense? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them: I speak to you, and you believe not: the works that I do in the name of my Father, they give testimony of me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice. And I know them: and they follow me. 28 And I give them life everlasting: and they shall not perish for ever. And no man shall pluck them out of my hand. 29 That which my Father hath given me is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father. 30 I and the Father are one." (DRCB).
Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets." (DRCB).
John 17:1-5, "And after six days Jesus taketh unto him Peter and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart: 2 And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow. 3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them. And lo a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him" (DRCB), Jesus' (Yeshua) prayer to his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
John 11:25-26, "Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live: 26 And every one that liveth and believeth in me shall not die for ever. Believest thou this?" (DRCB).
[Note, John 14:6, "Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me." (DRCB).]
Matthew 19:18-19," He said to him: Which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (DRCB).
John 15:5-8, "I am the vine: you the branches. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. 6 If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch and shall wither: and they shall gather him up and cast him into the fire: and he burneth. 7 If you abide in me and my words abide in you, you shall ask whatever you will: and it shall be done unto you. 8 In this is my Father glorified: that you bring forth very much fruit and become my disciples." (DRCB).
John 14:1-4, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 ¶ And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
John 14:28, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (DRCB).
Quite a contrast between the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, and the distorted Bible knockoff whose emphasis is on hate and violence and the Bible's whose emphasis is on love.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 546A]
And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. Acts 10:34-35 [American Standard Version; ASV]
Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is no respecter of race or nationality, but accepts all people earnestly following him as clearly shown by James 2:1-4, “My brethren, hold not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come into your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, and there come in also a poor man in vile clothing; 3 and ye have regard to him that weareth the fine clothing, and say, Sit thou here in a good place; and ye say to the poor man, Stand thou there, or sit under my footstool; 4 do ye not make distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?” Clearly showing that we should not draw a distinction between rich or poor or between nationalities and/or races, BUT ONLY JUDGE INDIVIDUALS BY THEIR ACTIONS.
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[2] PART 2 OF IS ISLAM A PEACEFUL RELIGION PER THE QURAN? (FIRST PART IN VOL 545)
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YUSUFALI: Say: "It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to right conduct."
PICKTHAL: Say: Lo! I control not hurt nor benefit for you.
SHAKIR: Say: I do not control for you evil or good.
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YUSUFALI: Say: "No one can deliver me from Allah (If I were to disobey Him), nor should I find refuge except in Him,
PICKTHAL: Say: Lo! none can protect me from Allah, nor can I find any refuge beside Him
SHAKIR: Say: Surely no one can protect me against Allah, nor can I find besides Him any place of refuge:
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YUSUFALI: "Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages: for any that disobey Allah and His Messenger,- for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein for ever."
PICKTHAL: (Mine is) but conveyance (of the Truth) from Allah, and His messages; and whoso disobeyeth Allah and His messenger, lo! his is fire of hell, wherein such dwell for ever.
SHAKIR: (It is) only a delivering (of communications) from Allah and His messages; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger surely he shall have the fire of hell to abide therein for a long time.
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YUSUFALI: At length, when they see (with their own eyes) that which they are promised,- then will they know who it is that is weakest in (his) helper and least important in point of numbers.
PICKTHAL: Till (the day) when they shall behold that which they are promised (they may doubt); but then they will know (for certain) who is weaker in allies and less in multitude.
SHAKIR: Until when they see what they are threatened with, then shall they know who is weaker in helpers and fewer in number.
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YUSUFALI: Say: "I know not whether the (Punishment) which ye are promised is near, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term.
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad, unto the disbelievers): I know not whether that which ye are promised is nigh, or if my Lord hath set a distant term for it.
SHAKIR: Say: I do not know whether that with which you are threatened be nigh or whether my Lord will appoint for it a term:
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YUSUFALI: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,-
PICKTHAL: (He is) the Knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret,
SHAKIR: The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any,
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YUSUFALI: "Except a messenger whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him,
PICKTHAL: Save unto every messenger whom He hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind him
SHAKIR: Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,
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YUSUFALI: "That He may know that they have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord: and He surrounds (all the mysteries) that are with them, and takes account of every single thing."
PICKTHAL: That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and He keepeth count of all things.
SHAKIR: So that He may know that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He records the number of all things.
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Islam uses Jihad ["Holy war"] to force their religion upon others. In Hadith vol.1, no. 25, [Translation of Sahih Bukhari Hadith by M. Muhsin Khan ],it states that Jihad, or holy war, is the second best thing to believing in Allah and his apostle [Muhammed]. When Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied. "To believe in Allah and his Apostle." The questioner then asked, "What is the next?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad [holy war] in Allah's cause."
In Sura 9:5, the Quaran requires violence, when it states, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war."
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Sura 5:33 records what is done to infidels who resist Islam, "Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." Muhammed also burned out eyes with hot irons in Hadith vol.1 no. 234, [Translation of Sahih Bukhari Hadith by M. Muhsin Khan ] and deprived people of water until they died, vol.8 no. 796, [Translation of Sahih Bukhari Hadith by M. Muhsin Khan ].
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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
In Sura 4:34, women are treated badly: "Men are the managers of the affairs of women...Those you fear may be rebellious...admonish; banish them to their couches and beat them."
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YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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Torment to Non-believers:
Sura 4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them, S enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
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YUSUFALI: Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
PICKTHAL: Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
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Islam Acceptable:
Sura 3.85: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
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YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
PICKTHAL: And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.
SHAKIR: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
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No friends from outsiders
Sura 3.118: O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.
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Friends with Jews, Christians...
Sura 5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
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No friends with non believers
Sura 4.144: O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
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No friends with non believers
Sura 3.28: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
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YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
PICKTHAL: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
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No friends with parents/siblings if not believers
Sura 9.23: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
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YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
PICKTHAL: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
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Fight non-believers
Sura 9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
SHAKIR: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
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Kill non-believers
Sura 4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
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YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
PICKTHAL: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
SHAKIR: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
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Anti Jewish verses
Sura 5.82: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
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YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
PICKTHAL: Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.
SHAKIR: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
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God a plotter
Sura 8.30: And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners.
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YUSUFALI: Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.
PICKTHAL: And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters.
SHAKIR: And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners.
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Killing Idolaters
Sura 9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Idolaters are unclean just because they are idolater
Sura 9.28: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
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Forcing non-believers to pay tax
Sura 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[note: force people to believe by putting them in a state of subjection, no religious freedom here, yet they want it for themselves.]
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And that's only the tip of the iceberg!
The key to the differences between Christianity and that of Islam, is the teachings found in the Bible vs that of the Quran, such as what Jesus taught in the NT:
John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).
John 10:17-30," Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18 No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself. And I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 19 ¶ A dissension rose again among the Jews for these words. 20 And many of them said: He hath a devil and is mad. Why hear you him? 21 Others said: These are not the words of one that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? 22 ¶ And it was the feast of the dedication at Jerusalem: and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon's porch. 24 The Jews therefore came round about him and said to him: How long dost thou hold our souls in suspense? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them: I speak to you, and you believe not: the works that I do in the name of my Father, they give testimony of me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice. And I know them: and they follow me. 28 And I give them life everlasting: and they shall not perish for ever. And no man shall pluck them out of my hand. 29 That which my Father hath given me is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father. 30 I and the Father are one." (DRCB).
Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets." (DRCB).
John 17:1-5, "And after six days Jesus taketh unto him Peter and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart: 2 And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow. 3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them. And lo a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him" (DRCB), Jesus' (Yeshua) prayer to his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
John 11:25-26, "Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live: 26 And every one that liveth and believeth in me shall not die for ever. Believest thou this?" (DRCB).
[Note, John 14:6, "Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me." (DRCB).]
Matthew 19:18-19," He said to him: Which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (DRCB).
John 15:5-8, "I am the vine: you the branches. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. 6 If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch and shall wither: and they shall gather him up and cast him into the fire: and he burneth. 7 If you abide in me and my words abide in you, you shall ask whatever you will: and it shall be done unto you. 8 In this is my Father glorified: that you bring forth very much fruit and become my disciples." (DRCB).
John 14:1-4, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 ¶ And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
John 14:28, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (DRCB).
Quite a contrast between the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, and the distorted Bible knockoff whose emphasis is on hate and violence and the Bible's whose emphasis is on love.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] RACISM IS NOT A PRACTICE OF LOVE
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 547A]
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" John 8:32 (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
The Need To Show Love To Neighbor By Exposing False Belief. Now all need to be showing love to their neighbors including Jews and telling them of the first step toward salvation given at John 14:6, [AV] "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Messages of hate assist no one in learning the truth per John 8:32 quoted above.
Take my post for example, they have a worthy objective; to wit, exposing false doctrine so individuals can correct their wrong path. My post are NOT ones of hate, as are many of others, but ones that expose false doctrine and wrong practice. All should read them instead of posting false accusations, as you will find not one word of hate or bashing in my articles, only truth. They are posted to assist all in knowing the truth, per John 8:32, and to assist all in making a change in their lives by getting out of groups and/or religions that practice false doctrine and wrong practices such as teaching hate and a love of violence.
All need to learn about love and that includes warning others with respect false doctrine and wrong practices instead of thinking of hate such as those examples you mentioned,
1 Corinthians 13:1 – 7, [American Standard Version; [American Standard Version: AVS]] “If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; 6 rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7 beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
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[2] RACISM IS NOT A PRACTICE OF LOVE, BUT BEFORE WE CONSIDER IT, WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT LOVE IS AS DEFINED BY AN ENCYCLOPEDIA:
LOVE = A FEELING OF WARM PERSONAL ATTACHMENT OR DEEP AFFECTION, AS FOR A FRIEND, FOR A PARENT OR CHILD, AND SO FORTH; WARM FONDNESS OR LIKING FOR ANOTHER; ALSO, THE BENEVOLENT AFFECTION OF GOD FOR HIS CREATURES OR THE REVERENT AFFECTION DUE FROM THEM TO GOD; ALSO, THE KINDLY AFFECTION PROPERLY EXPRESSED BY GOD’S CREATURES TOWARD ONE ANOTHER; THAT STRONG OR PASSIONATE AFFECTION FOR A PERSON OF THE OPPOSITE SEX THAT CONSTITUTES THE EMOTIONAL INCENTIVE TO CONJUGAL UNION. ONE OF THE SYNONYMS FOR LOVE IS “DEVOTION.”
ASIDE FROM THOSE MEANINGS, THE SCRIPTURES SPEAK ALSO OF LOVE GUIDED BY PRINCIPLE, AS LOVE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS OR EVEN LOVE FOR ONE’S ENEMIES, FOR WHOM A PERSON MAY NOT HAVE AFFECTION. THIS FACET OR EXPRESSION OF LOVE IS AN UNSELFISH DEVOTION TO RIGHTEOUSNESS AND A SINCERE CONCERN FOR THE LASTING WELFARE OF OTHERS, ALONG WITH AN ACTIVE EXPRESSION OF THIS FOR THEIR GOOD. [SOURC - RETRIEVED FROM ‘INSIGHT ON THE SCRIPTURE’ ON 6/13/2017]
NOW, LET’S CONSIDER THAT RACISM IS AND ITS CAUSES:
ONE MUSLIM APOLOGIST MADE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT:
(QUOTE) Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. (QUOTE)
FIRST, ANY EXPERT ON GENE RESEARCH WILL TELL YOU THERE IS NO GENE OR VIRUS OF RACISM. IT IS A LEARNED ITEM, NOT A GENE CAUSED ITEM. USUALLY, IT IS LEARNED IN EARLY CHILDHOOD FROM PARENTS AND ACQUAINTANCES OR BY ADVERSE EXPERIENCES WITH A PARTICULAR GROUP.
I BELONG TO A MINORITY MYSELF, BUT I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED ANY RACISM NOR HAVE MY ZOROASTRIAN AND SIKH FRIENDS. WHY? BECAUSE I AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS SOUGHT TO FIT IN AND BECOME A PART OF REGULAR SOCIETY.
SECOND, I HAVE FOUND MOST RACISM HAS AS ITS BASIS ADVERSE EXPERIENCES WITH A PARTICULAR GROUP. FOR EXAMPLE, NATIVE UNITED KINGDOM NATIVES WITH MUSLIMS WHO HAVE BLOWN UP TUBE CARRIAGES, BUSES, ETC., BEHEADED UNITED KINGDOM SOLDIERS AND/OR OTHERWISE MURDERED THEM, MURDERED MANY PEOPLE AT A CONCERT IN MANCHESTER, DRIVEN CARS AND TRUCKS INTO THEM TO MURDER THEM, FORMED MUSLIM RAPE GANGS TO RAPE AND IMPREGNANT THEIR YOUNG GIRLS, ETC. NOW, OF COURSE PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE THIS AND TEND TO FORM ADVERSE OPINIONS OF THIS GROUP WHICH OF COURSE NOT ALL ARE WICKED RACIST FULL OF HATE AND A LOVE FOR VIOLENCE, BUT SINCE THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN NOT TELL THEM APART, THEY TEND TO FORM ADVERSE FEELINGS TOWARDS THIS GROUP. ANY RACISM SHOWN BY NATIVES TO THIS GROUP IS OF THAT GROUPS OWN MAKING.
IN FACT, MEMBERS OF THAT GROUP ARE THE WORST HATERS, LOVERS OF VIOLENCE, AND RACIST IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. LET’S LOOK AT JUST ONE EXAMPLE THAT PROVES THIS:
(QUOTE) London jihad terror survivor relives moment Muslim slashed her throat: ‘THIS IS FOR ALLAH, stop living this life’
Following the example of Muhammad. “This is for Allah, stop living this life” — words spoken to jihad victim as her throat was cut. She lived to tell the tale; we owe it to her to listen.
‘THIS IS FOR ALLAH, STOP LIVING THIS LIFE’: WHAT LONDON TERROR KNIFEMEN SCREAMED AS THEY SLIT AUSTRALIAN VICTIM’S THROAT IN SCENES ‘LIKE A HORROR MOVIE’ IN PACKED RESTAURANT DURING RAMPAGE THAT KILLED EIGHT
* Woman who survived London attack spoke of the moment she was stabbed
* Candice Hedge had her throat slashed and the jihadist just missed her vocal cord
* The 31-year-old says she was ‘vomiting blood’ and thought she was going to die
* Her partner Luke revealed shocking words terrorists shouted as they attacked
By April Glover and Max Margan For Daily Mail Australia, June 11, 2017:
An Australian woman and her partner who survived the London terror attack have described the moment three jihadi terrorists stormed the restaurant where they worked.
Candice Hedge, 31, from Brisbane, had her throat slashed during the rampage by three men who crashed a car through crowds on London Bridge last Saturday night before attacking innocent bystanders with knives.
Eight people died as the knifemen screaming Islamist slogans entered restaurants and pubs randomly attacking anyone in their path, before they were shot dead by police.
‘They were saying, “This is for our family, this is for Allah. Stop living this life,’ Luke told Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program.
Candice Hedge, (pictured) from Brisbane, was working at Borough Market restaurant Elliot’s with her boyfriend Luke when the three men began brutally stabbing people
The 31-year-old (pictured with her father) told Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program she looked her attacker in the eye before she was stabbed
Candice Hedge, from Brisbane, was viciously attacked in the city’s centre on Saturday night while having a drink after work
Ms Hedge was working at Elliot’s restaurant at Borough Market near the bridge, along with her boyfriend Luke.
Recalling the ordeal in her first media interview, she described how she looked her attacker in the eye seconds before she was stabbed.
‘He looked at me and I looked at him, it really happened so quickly,’ Ms Hedge said.
Of the moment she was wounded, she said: ‘It was one quick go and that was it. I was vomiting blood.’
The terrorist had slashed Ms Hedge’s throat, leaving a deep cut that almost tore through her vocal cords and main artery.
‘I could feel the amount of blood and it was warm on my hand,’ she said.
‘And I could see how much it was and, you know, you see horror movies – it was like that. I was thinking for a moment that I wasn’t going to make it.’
The area the terrorists had struck was cordoned off and no ambulances were allowed to enter in fear the attacks were still ongoing.
Ms Hedge was forced to head towards medical help on foot while clutching a piece of cloth to her bleeding throat. [sourc - retrieved fromhttp://pamelageller.com/.../london-jihad-terror.../... on 6/11/2017] (QUOTE)
SO NOW WE KNOW WHO THE REAL EVIL RACIST ARE – SOME MEMBERS OF ISLAM.
THIRD, ALL FEELINGS OF HATE AND A LOVE FOR VIOLENCE SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH FEELINGS OF LOVE AND A HATE OF VIOLENCE.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 547A]
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" John 8:32 (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
The Need To Show Love To Neighbor By Exposing False Belief. Now all need to be showing love to their neighbors including Jews and telling them of the first step toward salvation given at John 14:6, [AV] "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Messages of hate assist no one in learning the truth per John 8:32 quoted above.
Take my post for example, they have a worthy objective; to wit, exposing false doctrine so individuals can correct their wrong path. My post are NOT ones of hate, as are many of others, but ones that expose false doctrine and wrong practice. All should read them instead of posting false accusations, as you will find not one word of hate or bashing in my articles, only truth. They are posted to assist all in knowing the truth, per John 8:32, and to assist all in making a change in their lives by getting out of groups and/or religions that practice false doctrine and wrong practices such as teaching hate and a love of violence.
All need to learn about love and that includes warning others with respect false doctrine and wrong practices instead of thinking of hate such as those examples you mentioned,
1 Corinthians 13:1 – 7, [American Standard Version; [American Standard Version: AVS]] “If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; 6 rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7 beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
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[2] RACISM IS NOT A PRACTICE OF LOVE, BUT BEFORE WE CONSIDER IT, WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT LOVE IS AS DEFINED BY AN ENCYCLOPEDIA:
LOVE = A FEELING OF WARM PERSONAL ATTACHMENT OR DEEP AFFECTION, AS FOR A FRIEND, FOR A PARENT OR CHILD, AND SO FORTH; WARM FONDNESS OR LIKING FOR ANOTHER; ALSO, THE BENEVOLENT AFFECTION OF GOD FOR HIS CREATURES OR THE REVERENT AFFECTION DUE FROM THEM TO GOD; ALSO, THE KINDLY AFFECTION PROPERLY EXPRESSED BY GOD’S CREATURES TOWARD ONE ANOTHER; THAT STRONG OR PASSIONATE AFFECTION FOR A PERSON OF THE OPPOSITE SEX THAT CONSTITUTES THE EMOTIONAL INCENTIVE TO CONJUGAL UNION. ONE OF THE SYNONYMS FOR LOVE IS “DEVOTION.”
ASIDE FROM THOSE MEANINGS, THE SCRIPTURES SPEAK ALSO OF LOVE GUIDED BY PRINCIPLE, AS LOVE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS OR EVEN LOVE FOR ONE’S ENEMIES, FOR WHOM A PERSON MAY NOT HAVE AFFECTION. THIS FACET OR EXPRESSION OF LOVE IS AN UNSELFISH DEVOTION TO RIGHTEOUSNESS AND A SINCERE CONCERN FOR THE LASTING WELFARE OF OTHERS, ALONG WITH AN ACTIVE EXPRESSION OF THIS FOR THEIR GOOD. [SOURC - RETRIEVED FROM ‘INSIGHT ON THE SCRIPTURE’ ON 6/13/2017]
NOW, LET’S CONSIDER THAT RACISM IS AND ITS CAUSES:
ONE MUSLIM APOLOGIST MADE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT:
(QUOTE) Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. (QUOTE)
FIRST, ANY EXPERT ON GENE RESEARCH WILL TELL YOU THERE IS NO GENE OR VIRUS OF RACISM. IT IS A LEARNED ITEM, NOT A GENE CAUSED ITEM. USUALLY, IT IS LEARNED IN EARLY CHILDHOOD FROM PARENTS AND ACQUAINTANCES OR BY ADVERSE EXPERIENCES WITH A PARTICULAR GROUP.
I BELONG TO A MINORITY MYSELF, BUT I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED ANY RACISM NOR HAVE MY ZOROASTRIAN AND SIKH FRIENDS. WHY? BECAUSE I AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS SOUGHT TO FIT IN AND BECOME A PART OF REGULAR SOCIETY.
SECOND, I HAVE FOUND MOST RACISM HAS AS ITS BASIS ADVERSE EXPERIENCES WITH A PARTICULAR GROUP. FOR EXAMPLE, NATIVE UNITED KINGDOM NATIVES WITH MUSLIMS WHO HAVE BLOWN UP TUBE CARRIAGES, BUSES, ETC., BEHEADED UNITED KINGDOM SOLDIERS AND/OR OTHERWISE MURDERED THEM, MURDERED MANY PEOPLE AT A CONCERT IN MANCHESTER, DRIVEN CARS AND TRUCKS INTO THEM TO MURDER THEM, FORMED MUSLIM RAPE GANGS TO RAPE AND IMPREGNANT THEIR YOUNG GIRLS, ETC. NOW, OF COURSE PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE THIS AND TEND TO FORM ADVERSE OPINIONS OF THIS GROUP WHICH OF COURSE NOT ALL ARE WICKED RACIST FULL OF HATE AND A LOVE FOR VIOLENCE, BUT SINCE THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN NOT TELL THEM APART, THEY TEND TO FORM ADVERSE FEELINGS TOWARDS THIS GROUP. ANY RACISM SHOWN BY NATIVES TO THIS GROUP IS OF THAT GROUPS OWN MAKING.
IN FACT, MEMBERS OF THAT GROUP ARE THE WORST HATERS, LOVERS OF VIOLENCE, AND RACIST IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. LET’S LOOK AT JUST ONE EXAMPLE THAT PROVES THIS:
(QUOTE) London jihad terror survivor relives moment Muslim slashed her throat: ‘THIS IS FOR ALLAH, stop living this life’
Following the example of Muhammad. “This is for Allah, stop living this life” — words spoken to jihad victim as her throat was cut. She lived to tell the tale; we owe it to her to listen.
‘THIS IS FOR ALLAH, STOP LIVING THIS LIFE’: WHAT LONDON TERROR KNIFEMEN SCREAMED AS THEY SLIT AUSTRALIAN VICTIM’S THROAT IN SCENES ‘LIKE A HORROR MOVIE’ IN PACKED RESTAURANT DURING RAMPAGE THAT KILLED EIGHT
* Woman who survived London attack spoke of the moment she was stabbed
* Candice Hedge had her throat slashed and the jihadist just missed her vocal cord
* The 31-year-old says she was ‘vomiting blood’ and thought she was going to die
* Her partner Luke revealed shocking words terrorists shouted as they attacked
By April Glover and Max Margan For Daily Mail Australia, June 11, 2017:
An Australian woman and her partner who survived the London terror attack have described the moment three jihadi terrorists stormed the restaurant where they worked.
Candice Hedge, 31, from Brisbane, had her throat slashed during the rampage by three men who crashed a car through crowds on London Bridge last Saturday night before attacking innocent bystanders with knives.
Eight people died as the knifemen screaming Islamist slogans entered restaurants and pubs randomly attacking anyone in their path, before they were shot dead by police.
‘They were saying, “This is for our family, this is for Allah. Stop living this life,’ Luke told Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program.
Candice Hedge, (pictured) from Brisbane, was working at Borough Market restaurant Elliot’s with her boyfriend Luke when the three men began brutally stabbing people
The 31-year-old (pictured with her father) told Channel Seven’s Sunday Night program she looked her attacker in the eye before she was stabbed
Candice Hedge, from Brisbane, was viciously attacked in the city’s centre on Saturday night while having a drink after work
Ms Hedge was working at Elliot’s restaurant at Borough Market near the bridge, along with her boyfriend Luke.
Recalling the ordeal in her first media interview, she described how she looked her attacker in the eye seconds before she was stabbed.
‘He looked at me and I looked at him, it really happened so quickly,’ Ms Hedge said.
Of the moment she was wounded, she said: ‘It was one quick go and that was it. I was vomiting blood.’
The terrorist had slashed Ms Hedge’s throat, leaving a deep cut that almost tore through her vocal cords and main artery.
‘I could feel the amount of blood and it was warm on my hand,’ she said.
‘And I could see how much it was and, you know, you see horror movies – it was like that. I was thinking for a moment that I wasn’t going to make it.’
The area the terrorists had struck was cordoned off and no ambulances were allowed to enter in fear the attacks were still ongoing.
Ms Hedge was forced to head towards medical help on foot while clutching a piece of cloth to her bleeding throat. [sourc - retrieved fromhttp://pamelageller.com/.../london-jihad-terror.../... on 6/11/2017] (QUOTE)
SO NOW WE KNOW WHO THE REAL EVIL RACIST ARE – SOME MEMBERS OF ISLAM.
THIRD, ALL FEELINGS OF HATE AND A LOVE FOR VIOLENCE SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH FEELINGS OF LOVE AND A HATE OF VIOLENCE.
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE BIBLE AND RELIGION – BOTH TRUE AND FALSE - AT WWW.JW.ORG
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] AN UNDERSTANDING OF ISAIAH 44:6:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 548A]
They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight. Proverbs 11:20, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle Luke brings out that the end of the ways of the wicked are not good and shows this at Luke 12:20, [AV] “But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?” And that the ways of the righteous will be good in the end as shown at Proverbs 10:28, [AV] “The hope of the righteous shall be gladness: but the expectation of the wicked shall perish.”
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[2] AN UNDERSTANDING OF ISAIAH 44:6:
INTRODUCTION:
Let's look at Isaiah 44:6 in several Bible transladions:
Thus saith the Lord the king of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last, and besides me there is no God. (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (Authorized King James Bible; AV)
Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. (American Standard Version; ASV)
Thus, saith Yahweh--King of Israel, Even his Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts,--I, am, First, and, I, Last, And, besides me, there is, no God. (Rotherham Bible of 1902; RB)
Thus said Jehovah, king of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts: 'I am the first, and I the last, And besides Me there is no God. (Young's Literal Translation; YLT)
As we can readily see they all basically say the same thing, but many have difficulty understanding what the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, meant by "I am the first, and I am the last." Now let's look into this in detail to clear up any misunderstanding.
"THE FIRST AND THE LAST"
First let's look at Revelation 1:17-18, "And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying: Fear not. I am the First and the Last, 18 And alive, and was dead. And behold I am living for ever and ever and have the keys of death and of hell." (DRCB). Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, and says, "Thus saith the Lord the king of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last, and besides me there is no God." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). -Special note, In the original Hebrew, Isaiah 44:6, there is no definite article with the words 'first' and 'last.' Whereas in Jesus (Yeshua) description of himself in the original Koine Greek at Revelation 1:17, the definite article is found. So, grammatically, Revelation 1:17 indicates a title, whereas Isaiah 44:6 describes the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, Godship.- Now, when Jesus (Yeshua) presents himself y the title "the First and the Last," he is not claiming equality with the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, his Father, but is using a title bestowed or given to him by his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
Whereas, in Isaiah 44:6, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, was making a statement about His unique position as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. He, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is God eternal, and besides him there is indeed no God as highlighted by 1 Timothy 1:17, "Now to the king of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." (DRCB).
Whereas, in Revelation, Jesus (Yeshua) is speaking about his bestowed title, calling attention to his unique resurrection.
Therefore, Jesus (Yeshua) was indeed 'the first' human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life per Colossians 1:18, "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he may hold the primacy:" (DRCB). Moreover, he is 'the last' to be resurrected by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. Therefore, he becomes 'the living one...living for ever and ever,' when his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, bestows immortality on him per John 6:57,[6:58 in (DRCB)], "As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me." (DRCB). Jesus (Yeshua) now enjoys immortality since his immortal Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, who is called per Revelation 7:2, "And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the sign of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea," (DRCB), and Psalm 42:2, "[41:3 in (DRCB)], "My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?" (DRCB). For all others of humanity, Jesus (Yeshua), himself, is per John 11:25, "Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live:" (DRCB). Therefore in harmony with this, Jesus (Yeshua) says to the Apostle John, per Revelation 1:18, "And alive, and was dead. And behold I am living for ever and ever and have the keys of death and of hell." (DRCB), as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has given to him the authority to resurrect the dead at judgment day. This is also shown at Matthew 16:17-18, "And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (DRCB).
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 548A]
They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight. Proverbs 11:20, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle Luke brings out that the end of the ways of the wicked are not good and shows this at Luke 12:20, [AV] “But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?” And that the ways of the righteous will be good in the end as shown at Proverbs 10:28, [AV] “The hope of the righteous shall be gladness: but the expectation of the wicked shall perish.”
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7) https://religioustruths.forumotion.com/
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[2] AN UNDERSTANDING OF ISAIAH 44:6:
INTRODUCTION:
Let's look at Isaiah 44:6 in several Bible transladions:
Thus saith the Lord the king of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last, and besides me there is no God. (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (Authorized King James Bible; AV)
Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. (American Standard Version; ASV)
Thus, saith Yahweh--King of Israel, Even his Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts,--I, am, First, and, I, Last, And, besides me, there is, no God. (Rotherham Bible of 1902; RB)
Thus said Jehovah, king of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts: 'I am the first, and I the last, And besides Me there is no God. (Young's Literal Translation; YLT)
As we can readily see they all basically say the same thing, but many have difficulty understanding what the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, meant by "I am the first, and I am the last." Now let's look into this in detail to clear up any misunderstanding.
"THE FIRST AND THE LAST"
First let's look at Revelation 1:17-18, "And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying: Fear not. I am the First and the Last, 18 And alive, and was dead. And behold I am living for ever and ever and have the keys of death and of hell." (DRCB). Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, and says, "Thus saith the Lord the king of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last, and besides me there is no God." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). -Special note, In the original Hebrew, Isaiah 44:6, there is no definite article with the words 'first' and 'last.' Whereas in Jesus (Yeshua) description of himself in the original Koine Greek at Revelation 1:17, the definite article is found. So, grammatically, Revelation 1:17 indicates a title, whereas Isaiah 44:6 describes the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, Godship.- Now, when Jesus (Yeshua) presents himself y the title "the First and the Last," he is not claiming equality with the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, his Father, but is using a title bestowed or given to him by his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
Whereas, in Isaiah 44:6, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, was making a statement about His unique position as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. He, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is God eternal, and besides him there is indeed no God as highlighted by 1 Timothy 1:17, "Now to the king of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." (DRCB).
Whereas, in Revelation, Jesus (Yeshua) is speaking about his bestowed title, calling attention to his unique resurrection.
Therefore, Jesus (Yeshua) was indeed 'the first' human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life per Colossians 1:18, "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he may hold the primacy:" (DRCB). Moreover, he is 'the last' to be resurrected by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. Therefore, he becomes 'the living one...living for ever and ever,' when his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, bestows immortality on him per John 6:57,[6:58 in (DRCB)], "As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me." (DRCB). Jesus (Yeshua) now enjoys immortality since his immortal Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, who is called per Revelation 7:2, "And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the sign of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea," (DRCB), and Psalm 42:2, "[41:3 in (DRCB)], "My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?" (DRCB). For all others of humanity, Jesus (Yeshua), himself, is per John 11:25, "Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live:" (DRCB). Therefore in harmony with this, Jesus (Yeshua) says to the Apostle John, per Revelation 1:18, "And alive, and was dead. And behold I am living for ever and ever and have the keys of death and of hell." (DRCB), as the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has given to him the authority to resurrect the dead at judgment day. This is also shown at Matthew 16:17-18, "And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (DRCB).
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 549A]
Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 1 Timothy 4:12, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle Paul clearly showed that he wanted all genuine followers, regardless of age, at Philippians 3:12, [AV] “Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.” And that they were per Colossians 3:12, [AV] “Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;” Why? Because as shown by Jesus’s (Yeshua’s) brother at James 3:17, [AV] “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia morella is a species of tree in the Clusiaceae family found in India, Sri Lanka and southern Philippines.
Common names
* Assamese: Kujee Thekera (???? ??????)[2]
* English: gamboge (Sri Lanka), gamboge (India)
* Tamil: iravasinni (????????????), makki
* Malayalam: iravi, chigiri
* Kannada: ardala, devana huli, jirigehuli, murina huli, ponpuli
* Sinhalese: kokatiya, gokatiya, goraka (?????)
* Visayan languages (Philippines): batuan
Description
Trees are up to 12 m tall. Bark is smooth, and dark brown in color; blaze white.
Leaves simple, opposite, decussate; petiole 0.6-1.5 cm long, canaliculate, sheathing at base, glabrous; lamina 6.5-15 x 3.5-8 cm, usually elliptic, sometimes narrow obovate, apex acute to acuminate, base attenuate; coriaceous or subcoriaceous, glabrous; secondary_nerves 6-8 pairs; tertiary_nerves obscure.
Flowers show inflorescence and are dioecious; male flowers in fascicles, axillary; female flowers larger than male, solitary, axillary.
Uses
Ripe fruits can be eaten but they are very acidic. Just like other garcinia varieties such as kokum (which is prevalent in the Indian west coast) or garcinia pedunculata, the fruit can be preserved by slicing into thin pieces and then drying under sun. It can be made into pickles. Bodos cook the unripe fruit as vegetable with fish. Achutney can be made by boiling the fruit. In Assam, dried and preserved slices are added to black green pulses to make a popular slightly acidic curry. Dried up fruit slices are valued as a traditional remedy for dysentery.[2] In Ayurveda the fruits are used in the treatment of dysentery, gastritis, etc. and is said to have anti inflammatory properties.[3] When the bark is cut it exudes a yellow resin calledgamboge that is used in food, paints and medicines. It can be used as a rootstock for the mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana).[4]
Chemistry
The xanthonoids gaudichaudione A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, gaudichaudiic acid A, B, C, D, E, morellic acid and forbesione fromG. gaudichaudii.[5]
References
1. ^ Garcinia morella on www.globinmed.com
2. ^ to:a b "Wild Edible Plants of Assam" (PDF). Director, Forest Communication, Forest Department, Assam, India.
3. ^ Tamala – Garcinia morella Uses, Dose, Research at http://easyayurveda.com/2015/04/23/tamala-garcinia-morella-uses-dose-research/
4. ^ Useful Tropical Plants: Garcinia morella at http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Garcinia+morella
5. ^ Novel cytotoxic polyprenylated xanthonoids from Garcinia gaudichaudii (Guttiferae). Shu-Geng Cao, Valerie H. L. Sng, Xiao-Hua Wu, a, Keng-Yeow Sim, B. H. K. Tan, J. T. Pereira and S. H. Goh, Tetrahedron, Volume 54, Issue 36, 3 September 1998, Pages 10915-10924, doi:10.1016/S0040-4020(98)00644-9
[sourc - retrieved from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcinia_morella on 10/15/2015]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
To view this plant, go to, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcinia_morella
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 549A]
Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 1 Timothy 4:12, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Apostle Paul clearly showed that he wanted all genuine followers, regardless of age, at Philippians 3:12, [AV] “Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.” And that they were per Colossians 3:12, [AV] “Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;” Why? Because as shown by Jesus’s (Yeshua’s) brother at James 3:17, [AV] “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia morella is a species of tree in the Clusiaceae family found in India, Sri Lanka and southern Philippines.
Common names
* Assamese: Kujee Thekera (???? ??????)[2]
* English: gamboge (Sri Lanka), gamboge (India)
* Tamil: iravasinni (????????????), makki
* Malayalam: iravi, chigiri
* Kannada: ardala, devana huli, jirigehuli, murina huli, ponpuli
* Sinhalese: kokatiya, gokatiya, goraka (?????)
* Visayan languages (Philippines): batuan
Description
Trees are up to 12 m tall. Bark is smooth, and dark brown in color; blaze white.
Leaves simple, opposite, decussate; petiole 0.6-1.5 cm long, canaliculate, sheathing at base, glabrous; lamina 6.5-15 x 3.5-8 cm, usually elliptic, sometimes narrow obovate, apex acute to acuminate, base attenuate; coriaceous or subcoriaceous, glabrous; secondary_nerves 6-8 pairs; tertiary_nerves obscure.
Flowers show inflorescence and are dioecious; male flowers in fascicles, axillary; female flowers larger than male, solitary, axillary.
Uses
Ripe fruits can be eaten but they are very acidic. Just like other garcinia varieties such as kokum (which is prevalent in the Indian west coast) or garcinia pedunculata, the fruit can be preserved by slicing into thin pieces and then drying under sun. It can be made into pickles. Bodos cook the unripe fruit as vegetable with fish. Achutney can be made by boiling the fruit. In Assam, dried and preserved slices are added to black green pulses to make a popular slightly acidic curry. Dried up fruit slices are valued as a traditional remedy for dysentery.[2] In Ayurveda the fruits are used in the treatment of dysentery, gastritis, etc. and is said to have anti inflammatory properties.[3] When the bark is cut it exudes a yellow resin calledgamboge that is used in food, paints and medicines. It can be used as a rootstock for the mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana).[4]
Chemistry
The xanthonoids gaudichaudione A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, gaudichaudiic acid A, B, C, D, E, morellic acid and forbesione fromG. gaudichaudii.[5]
References
1. ^ Garcinia morella on www.globinmed.com
2. ^ to:a b "Wild Edible Plants of Assam" (PDF). Director, Forest Communication, Forest Department, Assam, India.
3. ^ Tamala – Garcinia morella Uses, Dose, Research at http://easyayurveda.com/2015/04/23/tamala-garcinia-morella-uses-dose-research/
4. ^ Useful Tropical Plants: Garcinia morella at http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Garcinia+morella
5. ^ Novel cytotoxic polyprenylated xanthonoids from Garcinia gaudichaudii (Guttiferae). Shu-Geng Cao, Valerie H. L. Sng, Xiao-Hua Wu, a, Keng-Yeow Sim, B. H. K. Tan, J. T. Pereira and S. H. Goh, Tetrahedron, Volume 54, Issue 36, 3 September 1998, Pages 10915-10924, doi:10.1016/S0040-4020(98)00644-9
[sourc - retrieved from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcinia_morella on 10/15/2015]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
To view this plant, go to, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcinia_morella
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] DOES THE TRUE GOD (YHWH) OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND ISHMAEL, CREATOR OF ALL THERE IS, REALLY CARE?
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 550A]
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Deuteronomy 18:10, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
In the early days of ancient Israel, all the nations around it practiced divination, sorcery, and other detestable acts as recorded at Leviticus 18:21, [AV] “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.” And many practiced human sacrifices of mostly children and this fact was recorded by the Prophet Jeremiah at Jeremiah 19:5, [AV] “Therefore deliver up their children to the famine, and pour out their blood by the force of the sword; and let their wives be bereaved of their children, and be widows; and let their men be put to death; let their young men be slain by the sword in battle.” These detestable acts were still practiced in the first century as recorded by the Apostle Luke at
Acts 16:16, [AV] “And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:” But those who became genuine followers of Jesus (Yeshua) got rid of all things associated with these detestable acts when they became his genuine followers as testified to at
Acts 19:19, [AV] “Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.”
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[2] DOES THE TRUE GOD (YHWH) OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND ISHMAEL, CREATOR OF ALL THERE IS, REALLY CARE?
INTRODUCTION:
We see important members of various religions getting seriously out of line, driven by hate and greed, and a lust for violence against their fellow man. This causes many to question whether the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, really cares about us.
For example, in Northern Ireland we have a Bishop, Dr. Ian Paisley, who constantly strokes hate and violence in North Ireland, and prejudice. He is fiercely anti-Catholicism, and often condemned for using extreme and provocative language against Roman Catholicism. Many feel he is indirectly responsible for much of the violence in Northern Ireland, and does not practice what Jesus (Yeshua) Christ said at John 13:34-35 with respect his genuine (true) followers having, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
But, he is only a minor deviant from John 13:34-35 as compared to Sheik Usama bin Ladin [Osama bin Ladin] who while claiming to be a very devote man has practiced some of the most evil hate, greed, and violence in the name of religion. For example, he and his followers committed many unthinkable wicked acts such as the following:
(1) World Trade Center - 9/11 - unprovoked attack and mass murder by Muslims.[1]
(2) London Subway Bombing by Muslims [2]
(3) Continued mosque bombings in Iraq by Muslims.[3]
(4) Suicide bombings in Israel by Muslims.[4]
(5) Suicide bombing of a wedding reception in Jordan by Muslims.[5]
(6) Daily roadside bombings in Iraq by Muslims.[6]
(7) Train bombings in Spain my Muslims.[7]
(8) Suicide bombings in Iraq by Muslims.[8]
(9) Car and truck bombings in Iraq by Muslims.[9]
(10) Bombing of restaurants and cafes in Bali, Indonesia by Muslims.[10]
(11) And the list could go on and on, get it?
[sources - [1] World Trade Center bombing, by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[2] Explosions Hit Three Tube Stations, One Bus, Thursday, July 21, 2005, Fox News
[3] By Ellen Knickmeyer and K.I. Ibrahim, Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, February 23, 2006; Page A01
[4] Suicide attack, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[5] Zarqawi Calls for Jordan King's Head, Friday, November 18, 2005
[6] The Daily Star, 03/21/2006, Vol. 5 #644
[7] CBS News, WASHINGTON, March 12, 2004
[8] Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[9] CNN, Thursday, March 18, 2004 Posted: 4:59 PM EST (2159 GMT)
[10] aljazeera.net, Bali a soft target, experts say, By Marianne Kearney in Jakarta, Indonesia, Monday 03 October 2005, 20:20 Makka Time, 17:20 GMT].
Activity like this, sadly makes many individuals feel that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, does not care about us since the live in a world full of hatred, war, and suffering. If the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, really cared, they reason, he surely would do something to prevent these tragic happenings and the activity of false religion in making this world such a bad place to live.
RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE MADE PEOPLE THINK THAT GOD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT US:
Another reason why people think that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, does not care about us is that religious leaders have made them feel that way by their wrong actions. What do clergymen often say when tragedy strikes? Let's look at an example.
When one women lost her two small children in an automobile accident, her clergyman said: "It was God's will. God needed two more angels." When clergymen made such comments, they are actually blaming the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, for the bad things that happen.
Yet, the disciple James wrote at James 1:13, "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" (AV), so far be it from the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, to act wickedly as highlighted at Job 34:10, "Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity." (AV).
Then why, is there so much wickedness and suffering? One reason is that mankind in general lhas rejected the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, as ruler, not wanting to submit to his righteous laws and principles. Humans have unwittingly submitted to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, arch enemy, Satan the Devil as shown at 1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV). Therefore, it is easy to understand why bad situations exist. Satan is evil, hateful, deceptive, and cruel as are his followers in false religion. So we should expect the world to reflect the personality of its ruler and his unknowing followers-no wonder there is so much wickedness!
HUMAN IMPERFECTION - ANOTHER REASON FOR SUFFERING:
Human imperfection is also another reason for the great suffering we are now experiencing. Sinful humans tend to struggle for dominance due to their hate, greed, and a lust for violence. This struggle often results in wars, oppressions, and much suffering. Ecclesiastes 8:9 aptly says, "All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt." (AV). Also, as brought out at Ecclesiastes 9:11 that unforeseen occurrences cause much suffering, "I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." (AV). Thus, individuals often experience calamity because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
However, it is comforting to learn that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is not the cause of suffering. But does the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, truly care about what is going on in our lives? The wonderful heartwarming answer is an emphatic YES. We know that he cares because his inspired word, the Bible, tells us why he has allowed humans to pursue a wicked course. The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, reasons involve two issues, in this article we shall deal with only one:
[1] His sovereignty and the integrity of humans. He was not obligated to tell us whey he permits suffering; however, because he cares about us, he does. Let's consider further evidence that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, indeed does care about us. Let's look at how he felt when badness filled the earth per Genesis 6:5-6, "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 ¶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." (AV).
Now, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, feels no differently today as revealed by Malachi 3:6, "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (AV). He detests injustice and hates to see people suffer. The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, reveals that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, will soon undo all the harm that has resulted from human misrule and from the influence of Satan the Devil. So as can be seen, this is convincing proof that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, does indeed care about us.
CONCLUSION:
Religious leaders have been shown to misrepresent the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, when they say that the tragedies we experience are his will. On the contrary, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, longs to end human suffering as shown by 1 Peter 5:7, "Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you." (AV). But he warns us at 1 Peter 5:8-9, "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world." (AV), to be on guard against his arch-enemy, the deceiver Satan the Devil.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 550A]
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Deuteronomy 18:10, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
In the early days of ancient Israel, all the nations around it practiced divination, sorcery, and other detestable acts as recorded at Leviticus 18:21, [AV] “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.” And many practiced human sacrifices of mostly children and this fact was recorded by the Prophet Jeremiah at Jeremiah 19:5, [AV] “Therefore deliver up their children to the famine, and pour out their blood by the force of the sword; and let their wives be bereaved of their children, and be widows; and let their men be put to death; let their young men be slain by the sword in battle.” These detestable acts were still practiced in the first century as recorded by the Apostle Luke at
Acts 16:16, [AV] “And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:” But those who became genuine followers of Jesus (Yeshua) got rid of all things associated with these detestable acts when they became his genuine followers as testified to at
Acts 19:19, [AV] “Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.”
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RELIGION AND THE BIBLE, GO TO,
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5) http://religioustruths.forumsland.com/
6) http://religioustruthsbyiris.createmybb3.com/
7) https://religioustruths.forumotion.com/
To enjoy an online Bible study called “Follow the Christ” go to,http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209/thread/1417398076/last-1417398076/Digital+Book+On+18+Part+Follow+Christ+Bible+Study
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[2] DOES THE TRUE GOD (YHWH) OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND ISHMAEL, CREATOR OF ALL THERE IS, REALLY CARE?
INTRODUCTION:
We see important members of various religions getting seriously out of line, driven by hate and greed, and a lust for violence against their fellow man. This causes many to question whether the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, really cares about us.
For example, in Northern Ireland we have a Bishop, Dr. Ian Paisley, who constantly strokes hate and violence in North Ireland, and prejudice. He is fiercely anti-Catholicism, and often condemned for using extreme and provocative language against Roman Catholicism. Many feel he is indirectly responsible for much of the violence in Northern Ireland, and does not practice what Jesus (Yeshua) Christ said at John 13:34-35 with respect his genuine (true) followers having, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
But, he is only a minor deviant from John 13:34-35 as compared to Sheik Usama bin Ladin [Osama bin Ladin] who while claiming to be a very devote man has practiced some of the most evil hate, greed, and violence in the name of religion. For example, he and his followers committed many unthinkable wicked acts such as the following:
(1) World Trade Center - 9/11 - unprovoked attack and mass murder by Muslims.[1]
(2) London Subway Bombing by Muslims [2]
(3) Continued mosque bombings in Iraq by Muslims.[3]
(4) Suicide bombings in Israel by Muslims.[4]
(5) Suicide bombing of a wedding reception in Jordan by Muslims.[5]
(6) Daily roadside bombings in Iraq by Muslims.[6]
(7) Train bombings in Spain my Muslims.[7]
(8) Suicide bombings in Iraq by Muslims.[8]
(9) Car and truck bombings in Iraq by Muslims.[9]
(10) Bombing of restaurants and cafes in Bali, Indonesia by Muslims.[10]
(11) And the list could go on and on, get it?
[sources - [1] World Trade Center bombing, by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[2] Explosions Hit Three Tube Stations, One Bus, Thursday, July 21, 2005, Fox News
[3] By Ellen Knickmeyer and K.I. Ibrahim, Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, February 23, 2006; Page A01
[4] Suicide attack, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[5] Zarqawi Calls for Jordan King's Head, Friday, November 18, 2005
[6] The Daily Star, 03/21/2006, Vol. 5 #644
[7] CBS News, WASHINGTON, March 12, 2004
[8] Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[9] CNN, Thursday, March 18, 2004 Posted: 4:59 PM EST (2159 GMT)
[10] aljazeera.net, Bali a soft target, experts say, By Marianne Kearney in Jakarta, Indonesia, Monday 03 October 2005, 20:20 Makka Time, 17:20 GMT].
Activity like this, sadly makes many individuals feel that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, does not care about us since the live in a world full of hatred, war, and suffering. If the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, really cared, they reason, he surely would do something to prevent these tragic happenings and the activity of false religion in making this world such a bad place to live.
RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE MADE PEOPLE THINK THAT GOD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT US:
Another reason why people think that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, does not care about us is that religious leaders have made them feel that way by their wrong actions. What do clergymen often say when tragedy strikes? Let's look at an example.
When one women lost her two small children in an automobile accident, her clergyman said: "It was God's will. God needed two more angels." When clergymen made such comments, they are actually blaming the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, for the bad things that happen.
Yet, the disciple James wrote at James 1:13, "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" (AV), so far be it from the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, to act wickedly as highlighted at Job 34:10, "Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity." (AV).
Then why, is there so much wickedness and suffering? One reason is that mankind in general lhas rejected the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, as ruler, not wanting to submit to his righteous laws and principles. Humans have unwittingly submitted to the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, arch enemy, Satan the Devil as shown at 1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV). Therefore, it is easy to understand why bad situations exist. Satan is evil, hateful, deceptive, and cruel as are his followers in false religion. So we should expect the world to reflect the personality of its ruler and his unknowing followers-no wonder there is so much wickedness!
HUMAN IMPERFECTION - ANOTHER REASON FOR SUFFERING:
Human imperfection is also another reason for the great suffering we are now experiencing. Sinful humans tend to struggle for dominance due to their hate, greed, and a lust for violence. This struggle often results in wars, oppressions, and much suffering. Ecclesiastes 8:9 aptly says, "All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt." (AV). Also, as brought out at Ecclesiastes 9:11 that unforeseen occurrences cause much suffering, "I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." (AV). Thus, individuals often experience calamity because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
However, it is comforting to learn that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is not the cause of suffering. But does the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, truly care about what is going on in our lives? The wonderful heartwarming answer is an emphatic YES. We know that he cares because his inspired word, the Bible, tells us why he has allowed humans to pursue a wicked course. The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, reasons involve two issues, in this article we shall deal with only one:
[1] His sovereignty and the integrity of humans. He was not obligated to tell us whey he permits suffering; however, because he cares about us, he does. Let's consider further evidence that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, indeed does care about us. Let's look at how he felt when badness filled the earth per Genesis 6:5-6, "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 ¶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." (AV).
Now, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, feels no differently today as revealed by Malachi 3:6, "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (AV). He detests injustice and hates to see people suffer. The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, reveals that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, will soon undo all the harm that has resulted from human misrule and from the influence of Satan the Devil. So as can be seen, this is convincing proof that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, does indeed care about us.
CONCLUSION:
Religious leaders have been shown to misrepresent the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, when they say that the tragedies we experience are his will. On the contrary, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, longs to end human suffering as shown by 1 Peter 5:7, "Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you." (AV). But he warns us at 1 Peter 5:8-9, "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world." (AV), to be on guard against his arch-enemy, the deceiver Satan the Devil.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 551A]
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mark 7:6 – 7, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This same truth was recorded by the Apostle Matthew at Matthew 15:7 – 9, [AV] “Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” The Apostle Paul warned all genuine followers of Jesus (Yeshua) of this danger at Colossians 2:8, [AV] “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
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[2] WHY ARE WE HERE?
INTRODUCTION:
Many wonder why mankind is on earth, but the answer is found in the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
The world's religions often answer that man is on the earth only temporarily. They view our earth as just a temporary home for mankind or as little more than a stopover on the way to life somewhere else. Some clergymen wrongly teach that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, will someday destroy this planet by global warming or other means.
As a result of these false teachings, many people have concluded that they are better off living life to the limit while they are able to as only death awaits them. However, what does the Bible actually teach about why we are here?
WHY WE ARE HERE PER THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD (yhwh), THE BIBLE?
The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has a wonderful purpose in mind for all of obedient mankind. He, per Isaiah 45:28, "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else." (Authorized King James Bible; AV) made it to be inhabited.
He, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, per Psalms 104:5, "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever." (AV). Clearly showing that the true God's (YHWH's) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, intended for the earth to be the home for obedient mankind.
This fact is clearly shown in Genesis chapters 1 and 2 as follows, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." (AV).
Which shows how he carefully prepared the earth for humans and provided plants for their food and animals for them to enjoy, and the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, noted at Genesis 1:31, "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." (AV).
In fact, this was clearly shown when the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, placed the first man and women, Adam and Eve, in the lovely garden paradise called Eden and supplied them with an abundance of good food. He told the first human pair at Genesis 1:26-28, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." (AV). He intended they to have perfect children and to extend the boundaries of their paradise garden home earth wide, and to exercise loving dominion over the animals.
CONCLUSION:
As can be readily seen, it was the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, purpose to have a perfect human family dwelling eternally on the earth. This fact, was highlighted at Psalm 37:29, "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever." (AV). Thus, mankind was meant to enjoy everlasting life in a paradise on earth; this is the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, purpose, and it is what is taught in the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 551A]
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mark 7:6 – 7, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This same truth was recorded by the Apostle Matthew at Matthew 15:7 – 9, [AV] “Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” The Apostle Paul warned all genuine followers of Jesus (Yeshua) of this danger at Colossians 2:8, [AV] “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
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[2] WHY ARE WE HERE?
INTRODUCTION:
Many wonder why mankind is on earth, but the answer is found in the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
The world's religions often answer that man is on the earth only temporarily. They view our earth as just a temporary home for mankind or as little more than a stopover on the way to life somewhere else. Some clergymen wrongly teach that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, will someday destroy this planet by global warming or other means.
As a result of these false teachings, many people have concluded that they are better off living life to the limit while they are able to as only death awaits them. However, what does the Bible actually teach about why we are here?
WHY WE ARE HERE PER THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD (yhwh), THE BIBLE?
The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has a wonderful purpose in mind for all of obedient mankind. He, per Isaiah 45:28, "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else." (Authorized King James Bible; AV) made it to be inhabited.
He, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, per Psalms 104:5, "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever." (AV). Clearly showing that the true God's (YHWH's) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, intended for the earth to be the home for obedient mankind.
This fact is clearly shown in Genesis chapters 1 and 2 as follows, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." (AV).
Which shows how he carefully prepared the earth for humans and provided plants for their food and animals for them to enjoy, and the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, noted at Genesis 1:31, "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." (AV).
In fact, this was clearly shown when the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, placed the first man and women, Adam and Eve, in the lovely garden paradise called Eden and supplied them with an abundance of good food. He told the first human pair at Genesis 1:26-28, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." (AV). He intended they to have perfect children and to extend the boundaries of their paradise garden home earth wide, and to exercise loving dominion over the animals.
CONCLUSION:
As can be readily seen, it was the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, purpose to have a perfect human family dwelling eternally on the earth. This fact, was highlighted at Psalm 37:29, "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever." (AV). Thus, mankind was meant to enjoy everlasting life in a paradise on earth; this is the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, purpose, and it is what is taught in the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] WHAT HAPPENS TO HUMANS AT DEATH?
[1] The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Genesis 6:11 -13, [AV] “
Yes, in the days of Noah, a righteous man, Almighty God (YHWH) was disgusted with what most of mankind had done to the earth; to wit, changing it from a righteous paradise into a den of evil. He saw everything that was occurring on earth as shown at Hebrews 4:13, [AV] “Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.” He searches the righteous, but hates the workers of evil as shown at Psalms 11:5, [AV] “The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.”
Today, this world is approaching the conclusion of the end times for its wicked system just as in the days of Noah. This is made clear at Revelation 11:18, [AV] “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.” Yes, it is similar to the days before the Almighty wiped the earth clean in Noah’s day per Matthew 24:38, [AV] “For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,” Since the conclusion of the end times is at hand we must be vigilant per 1 Peter 4:7, [AV] “But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.”
[2] WHAT HAPPENS TO HUMANS AT DEATH?
INTRODUCTION:
Many wonder what happens to humans at death, and most of the world's religions give many different and conflicting answers to this question. Most of the world's religions teach that something inside of a human continues to live on after the body dies.
Some religious groups even believe that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, punishes the wicked by subjecting them to eternal suffering is a fiery hell. But what is the real truth in keeping with John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; (Authorized King James Bible; AV)? What does the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, really teach about death?
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE REALLY TEACH ABOUT DEATH?
Now, the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, states at Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 and 10, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." and "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, clearly shows that the dead are NOT conscious of anything at all; they cannot hear, see, speak, feel, or think. The no longer earn any wages. They are incapable of any work! Also, they no longer love, hate, or have greed for they can not express of have any emotions.
What the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, says on the subject is quite simple and clear; the dead do NOT continue to live somewhere. To wit, there is nothing that leaves our body at death and lives on somewhere so as to be reborn in another body. There is no reincarnation a false belief that many believe in. This can be illustrated by the flame of a candle that while it flickers and burns exist, but when the flame is extinguished, it simply goes out and does not go anywhere.
Now think of the implications that this one simple powerful truth has! When a student of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, learns this truth that the dead are not conscious, he/she should easily be able to reason that no matter how hateful or greedy were his dead ancestors during life, they can not trouble him. He/she should also quickly grasp the fact that his/her dead loved ones are incapable of hearing, seeing, speaking, feeling, and/or thinking.
CONCLUSION:
This simple to understand fact clearly shows that dead humans can not be experiencing unbearable loneliness in purgatory or be eternally tortured in a fiery hell. The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible clearly teaches that the dead who are in the true God's (YHWH's) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, memory will be resurrected. What a wonderful hope that is assured us per John 5:28-29, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (AV).
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[1] The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Genesis 6:11 -13, [AV] “
Yes, in the days of Noah, a righteous man, Almighty God (YHWH) was disgusted with what most of mankind had done to the earth; to wit, changing it from a righteous paradise into a den of evil. He saw everything that was occurring on earth as shown at Hebrews 4:13, [AV] “Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.” He searches the righteous, but hates the workers of evil as shown at Psalms 11:5, [AV] “The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.”
Today, this world is approaching the conclusion of the end times for its wicked system just as in the days of Noah. This is made clear at Revelation 11:18, [AV] “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.” Yes, it is similar to the days before the Almighty wiped the earth clean in Noah’s day per Matthew 24:38, [AV] “For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,” Since the conclusion of the end times is at hand we must be vigilant per 1 Peter 4:7, [AV] “But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.”
[2] WHAT HAPPENS TO HUMANS AT DEATH?
INTRODUCTION:
Many wonder what happens to humans at death, and most of the world's religions give many different and conflicting answers to this question. Most of the world's religions teach that something inside of a human continues to live on after the body dies.
Some religious groups even believe that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, punishes the wicked by subjecting them to eternal suffering is a fiery hell. But what is the real truth in keeping with John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; (Authorized King James Bible; AV)? What does the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, really teach about death?
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE REALLY TEACH ABOUT DEATH?
Now, the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, states at Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 and 10, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." and "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, clearly shows that the dead are NOT conscious of anything at all; they cannot hear, see, speak, feel, or think. The no longer earn any wages. They are incapable of any work! Also, they no longer love, hate, or have greed for they can not express of have any emotions.
What the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, says on the subject is quite simple and clear; the dead do NOT continue to live somewhere. To wit, there is nothing that leaves our body at death and lives on somewhere so as to be reborn in another body. There is no reincarnation a false belief that many believe in. This can be illustrated by the flame of a candle that while it flickers and burns exist, but when the flame is extinguished, it simply goes out and does not go anywhere.
Now think of the implications that this one simple powerful truth has! When a student of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, learns this truth that the dead are not conscious, he/she should easily be able to reason that no matter how hateful or greedy were his dead ancestors during life, they can not trouble him. He/she should also quickly grasp the fact that his/her dead loved ones are incapable of hearing, seeing, speaking, feeling, and/or thinking.
CONCLUSION:
This simple to understand fact clearly shows that dead humans can not be experiencing unbearable loneliness in purgatory or be eternally tortured in a fiery hell. The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible clearly teaches that the dead who are in the true God's (YHWH's) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, memory will be resurrected. What a wonderful hope that is assured us per John 5:28-29, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (AV).
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] SLAVERY IN ISLAM - A LOOK AT THE FACTS:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 553A]
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Philippians 3:5 – 6, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Old Law Covenant that covered Hebrews only required par Genesis 17:12, [AV] “And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed” The Apostle Paul made it clear to those around him per Romans 11:1, [AV] “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.” Yes, he made it quite clear to the crowd that he to was a Hebrew as testified to at 2 Corinthians 11:22, [AV] “Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.” Paul well knew the various divisions among the Jews so one time when the council in Jerusalem was putting him on trial for his teachings, he made use of this knowledge as shown at Acts 23:6, [AV] “But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.”
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[2] SLAVERY IN ISLAM - A LOOK AT THE FACTS:
INTRODUCTION:
Islam likes to charge apostate (counterfeit) so called Christianity with condoning and practicing slavery which of course they did, but turns away from the fact that Islam practiced slavery including Muhammad (pbuh) himself and parts of Islam still practice slavery. Of course, this is hypocritical on the part of Islam marking it as a dishonest false religion that is like an Ostrich who hides its head in sand if it does not want to see something.
It is the only major religion who still practices slavery, this taking place in Africa to day in Sudan and elsewhere. In fact, this situation is very bad in the Darfur section of the Sudan where not only is slavery practiced by members of Islam, but rape by those who are Muslims.
Let's look at the facts today:
SLAVERY - THE FACTS WITHIN ISLAM:
Now let's look at the facts as presented in an encyclopedia.
<<<"The major juristic schools of Islam have historically accepted the institution of slavery[1]; however, in modern time this has become a contentious issue Muhammad and those of his companions who could afford it themselves owned slaves, and some of them acquired more by conquest[stealing them.]. However, the Islamic dispensation enormously improved the position of the Arabian slave through the reforms of a humanitarian tendency both at the time of Muhammad and the later early caliphs. In Islamic law, the topic of Islam and slavery is covered at great length. The legal legislations brought two major changes to the practice of slavery inherited from antiquity, from pagan Rome, and from Byzantium, which were to have far-reaching effects. Bernard Lewis considers these reforms to be the cause of the vast improvements in the practice of slavery in Muslim lands. The reforms also seriously limited the supply of new slaves.
The Qur'an considers emancipation of a slave to be a meritorious deed, or as a condition of repentance for certain sins[but does not require their emancipation]. The Qur'an and Hadith contain numerous passages supporting this view. Muslim jurists considered slavery to be an exceptional circumstance, with the basic assumption of freedom until proven otherwise. Furthermore, as opposed to pre-Islamic slavery, enslavement was limited to two scenarios: capture in war[stealing.], or birth to slave parents (birth to parents where one was free and the other not so would render the offspring free)[sounds like typical slavery].
Slavery in Islam does not have racial or color component, although this ideal has not always been put into practice. Nevertheless, historically, black slaves could rise to important positions in Muslim nations. In early Islamic Arabia, Slaves were often African blacks from across the Red Sea, but by expansion of the Islamic empire in later times, slaves could be Berbers from North Africa, Slavs from Europe, Turks from Central Asia, or Circassians from the Caucasus. The majority of slaves throughout the history of Arabia were, however, of African origin. The Arab slave trade was most active in eastern Africa, although by the end of the 19th century such activity had reached a significantly low ebb. The slavery in the Arab World in the 19th century has been documented by Dr. Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje, an Arabist and a scholar of Indonesian affairs, who had visited Mecca during his journey in the Hijaz. He states in his book Mohammedanism that "Slaves in the Arab world are generally not that different from servants and workers in Europe" and that their masters "handled them with a genial humanity that made their lot no worse - perhaps better, as more secure - than that of a factory worker in nineteenth-century Europe."
It was in the early 20th century (post World War I) that slavery gradually became outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France (although the extent to which it died out and/or flared up again is disputed)." [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
Also, researchers at Ohio State University (OSU) said the following:
<<<" WHEN EUROPEANS WERE SLAVES: RESEARCH SUGGESTS WHITE SLAVERY WAS MUCH MORE COMMON THAN PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED
COLUMBUS, Ohio - A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 - a far greater number than had ever been estimated before.
In a new book, Robert Davis, professor of history at Ohio State University, developed a unique methodology to calculate the number of white Christians who were enslaved along Africa's Barbary Coast, arriving at much higher slave population estimates than any previous studies had found.
Most other accounts of slavery along the Barbary coast didn't try to estimate the number of slaves, or only looked at the number of slaves in particular cities, Davis said. Most previously estimated slave counts have thus tended to be in the thousands, or at most in the tens of thousands. Davis, by contrast, has calculated that between 1 million and 1.25 million European Christians were captured and forced to work in North Africa from the 16th to 18th centuries.
Davis's new estimates appear in the book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800 (Palgrave Macmillan).
"Much of what has been written gives the impression that there were not many slaves and minimizes the impact that slavery had on Europe," Davis said. "Most accounts only look at slavery in one place, or only for a short period of time. But when you take a broader, longer view, the massive scope of this slavery and its powerful impact become clear."
Davis said it is useful to compare this Mediterranean slavery to the Atlantic slave trade that brought black Africans to the Americas. Over the course of four centuries, the Atlantic slave trade was much larger - about 10 to 12 million black Africans were brought to the Americas. But from 1500 to 1650, when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy, more white Christian slaves were probably taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas, according to Davis....
"Enslavement was a very real possibility for anyone who traveled in the Mediterranean, or who lived along the shores in places like Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, and even as far north as England and Iceland," he said.
Pirates (called corsairs)[members of Islam] from cities along the Barbary Coast in north Africa - cities such as Tunis and Algiers - would raid ships in the Mediterranean and Atlantic, as well as seaside villages to capture men, women and children. The impact of these attacks were devastating - France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships, and long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants. At its peak, the destruction and depopulation of some areas probably exceeded what European slavers would later inflict on the African interior.
Although hundreds of thousands of Christian slaves were taken from Mediterranean countries, Davis noted, the effects of Muslim slave raids was felt much further away: it appears, for example, that through most of the 17th century the English lost at least 400 sailors a year to the slavers.[Islam should return these to England, but has failed to do so or pay England.].
Even Americans were not immune. For example, one American slave reported that 130 other American seamen had been enslaved by the Algerians in the Mediterranean and Atlantic just between 1785 and 1793.
Davis said the vast scope of slavery in North Africa has been ignored and minimized, in large part because it is on no one's agenda to discuss what happened.
The enslavement of Europeans doesn't fit the general theme of European world conquest and colonialism that is central to scholarship on the early modern era, he said. Many of the countries that were victims of slavery, such as France and Spain, would later conquer and colonize the areas of North Africa where their citizens were once held as slaves. Maybe because of this history, Western scholars have thought of the Europeans primarily as "evil colonialists" and not as the victims they sometimes were, Davis said.
Davis said another reason that Mediterranean slavery has been ignored or minimized has been that there have not been good estimates of the total number of people enslaved. People of the time - both Europeans and the Barbary Coast slave owners - did not keep detailed, trustworthy records of the number of slaves. In contrast, there are extensive records that document the number of Africans brought to the Americas as slaves....
"The only way I could come up with hard numbers is to turn the whole problem upside down - figure out how many slaves they would have to capture to maintain a certain level," he said. "It is not the best way to make population estimates, but it is the only way with the limited records available."...
The result is that between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast. Davis said his research into the treatment of these slaves suggests that, for most of them, their lives were every bit as difficult as that of slaves in America....
Davis said his findings suggest that this invisible slavery of European Christians deserves more attention from scholars. "We have lost the sense of how large enslavement could loom for those who lived around the Mediterranean and the threat they were under," he said. "Slaves were still slaves, whether they are black or white, and whether they suffered in America or North Africa."[source - Research, Ohio State University by Jeff Grabmeier]>>>.
CONCLUSION:
Both apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians and Muslims starting with Muhammad (pbuh) himself were equally guilty with respect the slave trade, yet members point a finger at apostate (counterfeit) Christians without realizing three fingers, maybe four, are pointing back at themselves. This is dishonest hypocrisy on the part of Islam.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 553A]
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Philippians 3:5 – 6, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Old Law Covenant that covered Hebrews only required par Genesis 17:12, [AV] “And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed” The Apostle Paul made it clear to those around him per Romans 11:1, [AV] “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.” Yes, he made it quite clear to the crowd that he to was a Hebrew as testified to at 2 Corinthians 11:22, [AV] “Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.” Paul well knew the various divisions among the Jews so one time when the council in Jerusalem was putting him on trial for his teachings, he made use of this knowledge as shown at Acts 23:6, [AV] “But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.”
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[2] SLAVERY IN ISLAM - A LOOK AT THE FACTS:
INTRODUCTION:
Islam likes to charge apostate (counterfeit) so called Christianity with condoning and practicing slavery which of course they did, but turns away from the fact that Islam practiced slavery including Muhammad (pbuh) himself and parts of Islam still practice slavery. Of course, this is hypocritical on the part of Islam marking it as a dishonest false religion that is like an Ostrich who hides its head in sand if it does not want to see something.
It is the only major religion who still practices slavery, this taking place in Africa to day in Sudan and elsewhere. In fact, this situation is very bad in the Darfur section of the Sudan where not only is slavery practiced by members of Islam, but rape by those who are Muslims.
Let's look at the facts today:
SLAVERY - THE FACTS WITHIN ISLAM:
Now let's look at the facts as presented in an encyclopedia.
<<<"The major juristic schools of Islam have historically accepted the institution of slavery[1]; however, in modern time this has become a contentious issue Muhammad and those of his companions who could afford it themselves owned slaves, and some of them acquired more by conquest[stealing them.]. However, the Islamic dispensation enormously improved the position of the Arabian slave through the reforms of a humanitarian tendency both at the time of Muhammad and the later early caliphs. In Islamic law, the topic of Islam and slavery is covered at great length. The legal legislations brought two major changes to the practice of slavery inherited from antiquity, from pagan Rome, and from Byzantium, which were to have far-reaching effects. Bernard Lewis considers these reforms to be the cause of the vast improvements in the practice of slavery in Muslim lands. The reforms also seriously limited the supply of new slaves.
The Qur'an considers emancipation of a slave to be a meritorious deed, or as a condition of repentance for certain sins[but does not require their emancipation]. The Qur'an and Hadith contain numerous passages supporting this view. Muslim jurists considered slavery to be an exceptional circumstance, with the basic assumption of freedom until proven otherwise. Furthermore, as opposed to pre-Islamic slavery, enslavement was limited to two scenarios: capture in war[stealing.], or birth to slave parents (birth to parents where one was free and the other not so would render the offspring free)[sounds like typical slavery].
Slavery in Islam does not have racial or color component, although this ideal has not always been put into practice. Nevertheless, historically, black slaves could rise to important positions in Muslim nations. In early Islamic Arabia, Slaves were often African blacks from across the Red Sea, but by expansion of the Islamic empire in later times, slaves could be Berbers from North Africa, Slavs from Europe, Turks from Central Asia, or Circassians from the Caucasus. The majority of slaves throughout the history of Arabia were, however, of African origin. The Arab slave trade was most active in eastern Africa, although by the end of the 19th century such activity had reached a significantly low ebb. The slavery in the Arab World in the 19th century has been documented by Dr. Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje, an Arabist and a scholar of Indonesian affairs, who had visited Mecca during his journey in the Hijaz. He states in his book Mohammedanism that "Slaves in the Arab world are generally not that different from servants and workers in Europe" and that their masters "handled them with a genial humanity that made their lot no worse - perhaps better, as more secure - than that of a factory worker in nineteenth-century Europe."
It was in the early 20th century (post World War I) that slavery gradually became outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France (although the extent to which it died out and/or flared up again is disputed)." [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
Also, researchers at Ohio State University (OSU) said the following:
<<<" WHEN EUROPEANS WERE SLAVES: RESEARCH SUGGESTS WHITE SLAVERY WAS MUCH MORE COMMON THAN PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED
COLUMBUS, Ohio - A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 - a far greater number than had ever been estimated before.
In a new book, Robert Davis, professor of history at Ohio State University, developed a unique methodology to calculate the number of white Christians who were enslaved along Africa's Barbary Coast, arriving at much higher slave population estimates than any previous studies had found.
Most other accounts of slavery along the Barbary coast didn't try to estimate the number of slaves, or only looked at the number of slaves in particular cities, Davis said. Most previously estimated slave counts have thus tended to be in the thousands, or at most in the tens of thousands. Davis, by contrast, has calculated that between 1 million and 1.25 million European Christians were captured and forced to work in North Africa from the 16th to 18th centuries.
Davis's new estimates appear in the book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800 (Palgrave Macmillan).
"Much of what has been written gives the impression that there were not many slaves and minimizes the impact that slavery had on Europe," Davis said. "Most accounts only look at slavery in one place, or only for a short period of time. But when you take a broader, longer view, the massive scope of this slavery and its powerful impact become clear."
Davis said it is useful to compare this Mediterranean slavery to the Atlantic slave trade that brought black Africans to the Americas. Over the course of four centuries, the Atlantic slave trade was much larger - about 10 to 12 million black Africans were brought to the Americas. But from 1500 to 1650, when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy, more white Christian slaves were probably taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas, according to Davis....
"Enslavement was a very real possibility for anyone who traveled in the Mediterranean, or who lived along the shores in places like Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, and even as far north as England and Iceland," he said.
Pirates (called corsairs)[members of Islam] from cities along the Barbary Coast in north Africa - cities such as Tunis and Algiers - would raid ships in the Mediterranean and Atlantic, as well as seaside villages to capture men, women and children. The impact of these attacks were devastating - France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships, and long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants. At its peak, the destruction and depopulation of some areas probably exceeded what European slavers would later inflict on the African interior.
Although hundreds of thousands of Christian slaves were taken from Mediterranean countries, Davis noted, the effects of Muslim slave raids was felt much further away: it appears, for example, that through most of the 17th century the English lost at least 400 sailors a year to the slavers.[Islam should return these to England, but has failed to do so or pay England.].
Even Americans were not immune. For example, one American slave reported that 130 other American seamen had been enslaved by the Algerians in the Mediterranean and Atlantic just between 1785 and 1793.
Davis said the vast scope of slavery in North Africa has been ignored and minimized, in large part because it is on no one's agenda to discuss what happened.
The enslavement of Europeans doesn't fit the general theme of European world conquest and colonialism that is central to scholarship on the early modern era, he said. Many of the countries that were victims of slavery, such as France and Spain, would later conquer and colonize the areas of North Africa where their citizens were once held as slaves. Maybe because of this history, Western scholars have thought of the Europeans primarily as "evil colonialists" and not as the victims they sometimes were, Davis said.
Davis said another reason that Mediterranean slavery has been ignored or minimized has been that there have not been good estimates of the total number of people enslaved. People of the time - both Europeans and the Barbary Coast slave owners - did not keep detailed, trustworthy records of the number of slaves. In contrast, there are extensive records that document the number of Africans brought to the Americas as slaves....
"The only way I could come up with hard numbers is to turn the whole problem upside down - figure out how many slaves they would have to capture to maintain a certain level," he said. "It is not the best way to make population estimates, but it is the only way with the limited records available."...
The result is that between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast. Davis said his research into the treatment of these slaves suggests that, for most of them, their lives were every bit as difficult as that of slaves in America....
Davis said his findings suggest that this invisible slavery of European Christians deserves more attention from scholars. "We have lost the sense of how large enslavement could loom for those who lived around the Mediterranean and the threat they were under," he said. "Slaves were still slaves, whether they are black or white, and whether they suffered in America or North Africa."[source - Research, Ohio State University by Jeff Grabmeier]>>>.
CONCLUSION:
Both apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians and Muslims starting with Muhammad (pbuh) himself were equally guilty with respect the slave trade, yet members point a finger at apostate (counterfeit) Christians without realizing three fingers, maybe four, are pointing back at themselves. This is dishonest hypocrisy on the part of Islam.
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 554A]
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:11 – 14, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
It is important not only that you confess Jesus (Yeshua), but that you believe in him as testified to at Romans 10:9, [AV] “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” And to the natural born Jews, the Apostle Luke, testified to at Acts 2:36, [AV] “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Yes, all should turn to God per Psalms 22:27, [AV] “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.”
But we must learn to distinguish between good and bad per Romans 16:19, [AV] “For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia nitida a very rare tree.
ABSTRACT:
The study on enhancing germination of Garcinia kola was conducted using 5 pre-treatments. These included soaking seeds in cold water for 96, 72, and 48 hours for treatments 1, 2, and 3 respectively, cutting seeds at the opposite end to the radicle with kitchen knife (nicking) for treatment 4 and control treatment (untreated seeds for treatment 5). The aim of this study was to determine the best pre-treatment for optimum germination of Garcinia kola “seed”. Germination tests were carried out after pre-treatments for 10 months using one hundred seeds for each treatment in ICRAF nursery established at IITA station in Onne, Niger Delta Region of Nigeria. The result showed that seed cutting (nicking) was the most suitable pre-sowing treatment to increase seed germination of Garcinia kola. In the first 6 weeks of testing, germination did not occur in all the treatments. From the seventh week, germination commenced in treatments 1 and 4. Whereas treating the seeds with mechanical scarification (nicking) significantly (P<0.05) enhanced germination of Garcinia kola, seed germination was also significantly (P<0.05) improved, at least for up to 33 weeks, by soaking the seeds in cold water for 96 hours. The wide variation in germination percentage, germination rate and germination speed of G. kola depended on dormancy that was overcome by seed treatments prior to sowing.
Garcinia kola Heckel, often called bitter kola, is an indigenous medicinal tree belonging to the family Guttiferae. Morphologically, Garcinia kola resembles Allanblackia floribunda. It is well branched, evergreen, and grown as a medium size tree, reaching 12 m high in 12 years, and found in moist forests throughout West and Central Africa. Garcinia kola has regular fruiting cycle and the tree produces fruits every year. The species is one of the most important trees valued in Nigeria for its medicinal seeds and its exploitation in the natural forests has been very heavy.
The seeds of G. kola have pharmacological uses in treating coughs, throat infections, bronchitis, hepatitis (inflammation of the liver), liver disorders (Farombi et al., 2005). According to Adegoke et al., (1998), seeds of G. kola have inhibitory effects on lipid peroxidation in rat liver homogenates. The seeds which serve as a bitter stimulant also serve as snake repellent when they are placed round the compound (Nair, 1990; Daily Champion, 2004). Other medicinal uses include: purgative, antiparasitic, antimicrobial. The seeds are used to prevent and relieve colic, cure head or chest colds. The seeds constituents include—biflavonoids, xanthones and benzophenones. The antimicrobial properties of this plant are attributed to the benzophenones, flavanones. This plant has shown bronchodilator effect (Orie and Ekon, 1993), anti-inflammatory, antimicrobial, antibacterial and antiviral properties (Ebana et al., 1991; Akoachere et al., 2004). In laboratory tests, Garcinia kola was found to halt the deadly disease caused by Ebola virus in its tracks. The virus causes Ebola haemorrhagic fever - an often-fatal condition. Compounds from the plant have also proved effective against some strains of flu, a contagious respiratory disease also commonly known as influenza (Iwu, 1993). Its by-products are also useful: the wood makes excellent fuel wood; its dense rounded crown makes it an ideal tree for shade around homestead; the branches are used as chewing stick because of its bitter taste and antibacterial activities of its extracts (Taiwo et al., 1999).
In Nigeria, low populations of G. kola are found in home gardens and few stands are found in the wild due to rapid deforestation and heavy exploitation in the natural forests. These factors seriously depleted the populations of the species. But demand for G. kola is currently very high in Nigeria and though few seeds are available in the markets, production of the species is limited due to problem of seed dormancy. The seeds need to be treated to enhance germination. During a priority setting exercise, Garcinia kola was one of the useful indigenous trees prioritized by farmers in West and Central Africa. For many farmers who practice agroforestry, medicinal and fruit trees turn out to have higher priority. However, it is unlikely that rural farmers would plant G. kola on a large scale because the untreated seeds are difficult to germinate. Discouragingly, farmers believe that germination of G. kola takes about six to twelve months and that only few seeds germinate. They also believe that the tree takes a longer time of about eight to ten years to reach reproductive phase. According to Anegbeh, et al., (2005) early flowering and fruiting of very useful indigenous fruit trees enhance food security and harness rural livelihoods.
The challenges to development institutions are to help overcome these problems and to respond to priorities of rural communities, especially in the area of conserving highly endangered and valued species. Information on improving the germination of G. kola is not available in the Niger Delta Region of Nigeria. Therefore, the objective of this study was to break dormancy and improve germination of G. kola within a short time and make the information available to farmers. [source - retrieved from https://www.google.com/search?q=Garcinia+nitida&oq=Garcinia+nitida&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=Garcinia+nitida&start=50 on 12/152013]
A very rare Garcinia from the jungles of Borneo. Bears 1-2", red ripening fruits with acidic white pulp. Fruits are edible and most commonly used for flavoring. Small, evergreen tree to several feet. Cultural information is limited but the tree is probably tropical and not frost hardy. Related to the mangosteen. [source - retrieved from http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/garcinia-nitida-brunei-cherry-seeds on 12/15 /2013]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
With respect pictures of this fruit, the only ones are on the entire family at http://www.plantsystematics.org/taxpage/0/genus/Garcinia.html
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 554A]
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:11 – 14, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
It is important not only that you confess Jesus (Yeshua), but that you believe in him as testified to at Romans 10:9, [AV] “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” And to the natural born Jews, the Apostle Luke, testified to at Acts 2:36, [AV] “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Yes, all should turn to God per Psalms 22:27, [AV] “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.”
But we must learn to distinguish between good and bad per Romans 16:19, [AV] “For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia nitida a very rare tree.
ABSTRACT:
The study on enhancing germination of Garcinia kola was conducted using 5 pre-treatments. These included soaking seeds in cold water for 96, 72, and 48 hours for treatments 1, 2, and 3 respectively, cutting seeds at the opposite end to the radicle with kitchen knife (nicking) for treatment 4 and control treatment (untreated seeds for treatment 5). The aim of this study was to determine the best pre-treatment for optimum germination of Garcinia kola “seed”. Germination tests were carried out after pre-treatments for 10 months using one hundred seeds for each treatment in ICRAF nursery established at IITA station in Onne, Niger Delta Region of Nigeria. The result showed that seed cutting (nicking) was the most suitable pre-sowing treatment to increase seed germination of Garcinia kola. In the first 6 weeks of testing, germination did not occur in all the treatments. From the seventh week, germination commenced in treatments 1 and 4. Whereas treating the seeds with mechanical scarification (nicking) significantly (P<0.05) enhanced germination of Garcinia kola, seed germination was also significantly (P<0.05) improved, at least for up to 33 weeks, by soaking the seeds in cold water for 96 hours. The wide variation in germination percentage, germination rate and germination speed of G. kola depended on dormancy that was overcome by seed treatments prior to sowing.
Garcinia kola Heckel, often called bitter kola, is an indigenous medicinal tree belonging to the family Guttiferae. Morphologically, Garcinia kola resembles Allanblackia floribunda. It is well branched, evergreen, and grown as a medium size tree, reaching 12 m high in 12 years, and found in moist forests throughout West and Central Africa. Garcinia kola has regular fruiting cycle and the tree produces fruits every year. The species is one of the most important trees valued in Nigeria for its medicinal seeds and its exploitation in the natural forests has been very heavy.
The seeds of G. kola have pharmacological uses in treating coughs, throat infections, bronchitis, hepatitis (inflammation of the liver), liver disorders (Farombi et al., 2005). According to Adegoke et al., (1998), seeds of G. kola have inhibitory effects on lipid peroxidation in rat liver homogenates. The seeds which serve as a bitter stimulant also serve as snake repellent when they are placed round the compound (Nair, 1990; Daily Champion, 2004). Other medicinal uses include: purgative, antiparasitic, antimicrobial. The seeds are used to prevent and relieve colic, cure head or chest colds. The seeds constituents include—biflavonoids, xanthones and benzophenones. The antimicrobial properties of this plant are attributed to the benzophenones, flavanones. This plant has shown bronchodilator effect (Orie and Ekon, 1993), anti-inflammatory, antimicrobial, antibacterial and antiviral properties (Ebana et al., 1991; Akoachere et al., 2004). In laboratory tests, Garcinia kola was found to halt the deadly disease caused by Ebola virus in its tracks. The virus causes Ebola haemorrhagic fever - an often-fatal condition. Compounds from the plant have also proved effective against some strains of flu, a contagious respiratory disease also commonly known as influenza (Iwu, 1993). Its by-products are also useful: the wood makes excellent fuel wood; its dense rounded crown makes it an ideal tree for shade around homestead; the branches are used as chewing stick because of its bitter taste and antibacterial activities of its extracts (Taiwo et al., 1999).
In Nigeria, low populations of G. kola are found in home gardens and few stands are found in the wild due to rapid deforestation and heavy exploitation in the natural forests. These factors seriously depleted the populations of the species. But demand for G. kola is currently very high in Nigeria and though few seeds are available in the markets, production of the species is limited due to problem of seed dormancy. The seeds need to be treated to enhance germination. During a priority setting exercise, Garcinia kola was one of the useful indigenous trees prioritized by farmers in West and Central Africa. For many farmers who practice agroforestry, medicinal and fruit trees turn out to have higher priority. However, it is unlikely that rural farmers would plant G. kola on a large scale because the untreated seeds are difficult to germinate. Discouragingly, farmers believe that germination of G. kola takes about six to twelve months and that only few seeds germinate. They also believe that the tree takes a longer time of about eight to ten years to reach reproductive phase. According to Anegbeh, et al., (2005) early flowering and fruiting of very useful indigenous fruit trees enhance food security and harness rural livelihoods.
The challenges to development institutions are to help overcome these problems and to respond to priorities of rural communities, especially in the area of conserving highly endangered and valued species. Information on improving the germination of G. kola is not available in the Niger Delta Region of Nigeria. Therefore, the objective of this study was to break dormancy and improve germination of G. kola within a short time and make the information available to farmers. [source - retrieved from https://www.google.com/search?q=Garcinia+nitida&oq=Garcinia+nitida&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=Garcinia+nitida&start=50 on 12/152013]
A very rare Garcinia from the jungles of Borneo. Bears 1-2", red ripening fruits with acidic white pulp. Fruits are edible and most commonly used for flavoring. Small, evergreen tree to several feet. Cultural information is limited but the tree is probably tropical and not frost hardy. Related to the mangosteen. [source - retrieved from http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/garcinia-nitida-brunei-cherry-seeds on 12/15 /2013]
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
With respect pictures of this fruit, the only ones are on the entire family at http://www.plantsystematics.org/taxpage/0/genus/Garcinia.html
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - FIRST IN A SERIES OF SIX:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 555A]
And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents. 28 And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob. Genesis 25:27 – 28, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, Esau was an excellent hunter and pleased his father well in that he provided him with much meat to eat and as Genesis 27:3, [AV] “Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison;” However, he was not pleasing to his mother, Rebekah, and apparently was not being looked on with favor by Almighty God (YHWH) who was a lover of peace as testified to at Psalms 37:37, [AV] “Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.” But Rebekah their mother said to her son Jacob at Genesis 27:6 - 7, [AV] “And Rebekah spake unto Jacob her son, saying, Behold, I heard thy father speak unto Esau thy brother, saying, 7 Bring me venison, and make me savoury meat, that I may eat, and bless thee before the LORD before my death.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - FIRST IN A SERIES OF SIX:
This Trinitarian thought, in his ignorance, that he was making a strong case for the Trinity, but in reality he was proving that the Trinity was but false God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, doctrine. All of my comments are within [[ ]].
Without realizing it you have in fact disproved the Trinity while trying to prove it. Let's review your post and see how this is,
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 555A]
And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents. 28 And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob. Genesis 25:27 – 28, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, Esau was an excellent hunter and pleased his father well in that he provided him with much meat to eat and as Genesis 27:3, [AV] “Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison;” However, he was not pleasing to his mother, Rebekah, and apparently was not being looked on with favor by Almighty God (YHWH) who was a lover of peace as testified to at Psalms 37:37, [AV] “Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.” But Rebekah their mother said to her son Jacob at Genesis 27:6 - 7, [AV] “And Rebekah spake unto Jacob her son, saying, Behold, I heard thy father speak unto Esau thy brother, saying, 7 Bring me venison, and make me savoury meat, that I may eat, and bless thee before the LORD before my death.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - FIRST IN A SERIES OF SIX:
This Trinitarian thought, in his ignorance, that he was making a strong case for the Trinity, but in reality he was proving that the Trinity was but false God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, doctrine. All of my comments are within [[ ]].
Without realizing it you have in fact disproved the Trinity while trying to prove it. Let's review your post and see how this is,
There is a dire need for God being a Trinity. If he were not? We would not be here debating about God. For we could not know there is a God. It was always through the Lord that men knew God. The Lord is now to be known by the name Jesus Christ.
[[It is readily apparent that from the git-go you do NOT even understand the concept of the three-in-one-god, but think of it as one would three-in-one-oil which like the Trinity is very slippery. Now let's look at an authoritative explanation of this false doctrine.
<<< The Trinitarian dogma, The Cyclopoedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, New York 1871, by John M'Clintock and James Strong, Vol. II, page 560-561, states, "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the
persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost.....The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal...So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty...So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet there are not three Gods, but one God...The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding...And in this Trinity none is afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal. So that in all things, as is afore said, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity." [this is the Athanasian Creed quoted in the above mentioned Cyclopoedia]>>>.
Clearly there can be no trinity as the scriptures clearly show a distinction between the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ. Let's look at a few scriptures from the Authorized King James Bible,
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
And we all know a son and a father are not the same being.]]
Jesus Christ had to be first shown and proven to be worthy to be placed in position to be Lord. Not that he was not qualified. God always knew he was. But, to men and angels it was needed to be revealed that Jesus is worthy to be placed by God in the position to be God over all creation...[[Yes, he had to be the first in relation to his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, in that,
[1] He was the first being his Father created, per Revelation 3:14, "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). Remember, his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, had no beginning, but had always existed.
[2] He was the first to be resurrected by his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, into heaven to sit at his Father's right hand per, John 17:4-5, "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), here he asked his Father, to give him back his glory that he had before his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, sent him to earth; whereas, if he were part of a Trinity he would neither have had to have another resurrect him nor partition another for the return of his glory. Also, the Bible clearly says per 1 Peter 3:22, "Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him." (AV).]]
Some argue that Jesus was only a very special man, endowed by the Father with supernatural abilities, which do not make him to be God. Yet? They fail to see why he had to come to earth and function as a man. For he came to die in our place. Only man, can die for all men. So, God had to lower Himself to being as a man, with the man, Jesus Christ!
[[As I have previously shown from the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, Jesus (Yeshua) is the only begotton Son of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. For more details, go to,
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http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=jesus&thread=1164241986 ]]
If he while on earth if Jesus was functioning as full power of Deity? He would not have to learn obedience. He would not have to be proven to be worthy of such a position, by his revealed obedience. God as Deity is beyond obedience. He can never fail. It was the humanity of Christ that was to be shown by his testings and temptations to be worthy to be made God over all creation!
[[Obviously you do not understand the 'deity' of Jesus (Yeshua), but let's look at that subject:
Why Do Some Doubt The Deity of Christ?
Some doubt the deity of Christ, but one of the greatest Bible scholars of all times, the great German Bible scholar and translator, Dr. J. J. Griesbach; Nor the Bible scholar and translator James Moffat, translator of "The New Testament: A New Translation," who stated in his translation at John 1:1, "... the Logos was divine"; Nor the Bible scholar and translator E. J. Goodspeed translator of ": An American Translation," who stated in his translation at John 1:1, "... and the Word was divine".
The point of Christ's divinity was made very pointedly by the great scholars and translators of the British Empire in their translation, "The New English Bible, (NEB)" at John 1:1 that reads, "When all things began, the Word already was, The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was.".
Now let's reason together, we all know that a son is a lot like the father from our own experience. So if Jesus (Yeshua) is the Son of God as testified to in over 40 scriptures in the Bible, we would expect that he would be a lot like his Father (YHWH). What would this mean, simply that he would be a deity like his Father (YHWH) and that he would be divine like his Father (YHWH). Why do some take this statement of what should be obvious to all with an explanation of surprise? Because they wrongly believe he and his father are one and the same; an impossibility as should be obvious to all.
Now let's look at what the meaning of divinity is in several dictionaries:
(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)
divine (GOD-LIKE) adjective
connected with a god, or like a god:
The Ayatollah described the earthquake in Iran as a divine test.
Some fans seem to regard footballers as divine beings.
England have fallen so far behind in the championship that their only hope of victory is divine intervention (= help from God).
Just because you've been promoted that doesn't give you a divine right (= one like that of a god) to tell us all what to do.
Oxford Dictionary
divine = /d"van/ adjective (-r, -st) 1 of, from, or like God or a god; sacred. 2 colloquial excellent. verb (-ning) 1 discover by intuition or guessing. 2 foresee. 3 practise divination. noun theologian. divining-rod dowser's forked twig. divinely adverb.
Wordsmyth Dictionary
a religious scholar or clergyman. Similar Words exegete , minister , cleric , clergyman , bishop , theologian , prelate , priest , religious
Definition 2. (cap.) God (usu. prec. by the). Synonyms Godhead {godhead (2)} , Divinity {divinity (2)} , Omnipotent {omnipotent} , Omniscient {omniscient} , God {god (2)} , Deity {deity (4)} Similar Words celestial
Definition 3. (sometimes cap.) the spiritual or godlike, as opposed to the earthly or worldly. Similar Words divinity
It is like Jesus (Yeshua) said at Matthew 23:24, but let's look at the context, Matthew 23:13-33, " But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater d**nation. 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. 16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the d**nation of hell?" ((Authorized King James Bible; AV)
Let's be inline with Titus 2:1, "But speak thou the things that become sound doctrine:" (Douay Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB), and not in line with 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them."(DRCB) who do NOT recognize Jesus (Yeshua) as a separate divine being from his Father (YHWH) who is his Father's (YHWH's) master worker and is an obedient Son and follows his Father's (YHWH's) directions.]]
Some here think that because God allowed himself to become as a man with Jesus.... that, that somehow makes him not to be God. The point is, God chose not to reign over his humanity. But, rather to be in total identification with his humanity. To some? That is saying he was not God.
[[the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, never became a man, but put the life force of his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua), into a virgin Hebrew female as recorded at Matthew 1:18-25, "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." (AV).]]
God in his plan chose to be that way. God can do anything that is not of sin. God chose to allow for his humanity to make his own choices. God wanted to prove to all, that the humanity he now expresses himself through, is in himself worthy of such an honor to be made Lord over all creation!
[[You clearly forgot James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" (AV) which clearly shows that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, can not be tempted, but his only begotton Son, Jesus (Yeshua), clearly was per Matthew 4:1-10, "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV). So as you should readily see, you are in error and need to learn the truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (AV).]]
Jesus proved himself worthy by remaining faithful to the Father in all he did. After being proven to be worthy, his Deity is now expressed through his humanity in full power, and everyone can know that that humanity is totally worthy in himself.
[[As you said, Jesus (Yeshua), had to prove himself; whereas, if he were the same as his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, this would not be possible. For more information, go to,
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For? If God controlled his humanity in full power of Deity, from the beginning? How could we know the humanity is worthy? In that case, his humanity would have had no choice but to do anything but what is right. He would have been a Divine robot. But? With his own Deity not taking control over his humanity? Jesus was allowed to prove himself worthy as humanity in total faithfulness to the Father! And? HE DID PROVE IT!
[[This is a senseless comment has he already proved his power when he created the universe and later created mankind. A 'divine robot' can not create for it would need programming to do so, and since the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, always existed there would have been no one to do the programming until he created them, get it?]]
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - SECOND IN A SERIES:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 556A]
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. Ephesians 4:17 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And 1 Peter 4:3, [AV] “For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:” shows we should give up our wrong ways. Yes, many of those doing what Almighty God (YHWH) does not want knew who He is , but as stated at Romans 1:21, [AV] “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Yes, all need to per Acts 26:18, [AV] “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” For those not wanting to be obedient to him, He per Romans 1:28, [AV] “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” So we should per Isaiah 56:11 - 12, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.”
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Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard John 10:31-33 that you clearly do not comprehend.
FIRST, You said,
You clearly missed on this. Let's look at it in context, John 10:30-33,
"I and the Father are one." 31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (New International Version; NIV).
First, let's consider John 10:30, where Jesus (Yeshua) said that he and his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, are one, and how they are one as that is the key to understanding John 10:30-33.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one. (New American Standard Bible; NASB)
This is an interesting scripture, and taken alone out of context could lead the unsteadfast to the false conclusion that they were one in body, but taken in contest, this would be seen as impossible. In John 10:29, Jesus (Yeshua) clearly showed they were two separate individuals, "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (NASB). Clearly here was a giver, the Father (YHWH) whom Jesus (Yeshua) publically declared was "greater than all" which statement would include being greater than himself, Jesus (Yeshua). Also, there was a receiver, a distinct individual, "has given them to Me."
This 'one' is one in purpose and this is made clear at John 17:9-11, " "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; 10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. 11 "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. Which not only shows Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father (YHWH) as being one in prupose, but also, all the true Christian followers of his Son (Yeshua).
As previously mentioned, many try and misuse this scripture, John 10:30, to support either a Duality or a Trinity; however, it supports neither and especially not a Trinity as only two individual beings are mentioned in it.
With respect a Trinity, Jay P. Green's, "Classic Bible Dictionary," says, "This is not itself a Biblical term, but was a term coined by Tertullian to refer to the whole concept under one word." [Classic Bible Dictionary," by Jay P. Green, page 483]. Another renown work says, "Respecting the manner in which the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit make one G-d, the Scripture teaches nothing, since the subject is of such a nature as not to admit of its being explained to us." [Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature," under Trinity, on page 553]. In other words, this false God (YHWH) dishonoring false doctrine of the Trinity is a revealed doctrine of men that is foreign to the scripture (Bible). It is to be outright rejected by all who are true followers of Jesus (Yeshua).
Second, Now let's consider John 10:31-33, "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (NIV).
Here is a case of his enemies looking for something to falsely accuse him of as he in no way said that he was the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, his Father; only his enemies said that. Now what was his answer to this false accusation?
Let's look at John 10:34-38 to gain an in-depth understanding, "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." (NIV). [b]Here we see Jesus (Yeshua) clearly stating that he was not his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but "I am God's Son," which is something very different than saying he is his Father the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. So here Jesus (Yeshua) clearly makes the distinction between himself and his Father.
So it is quite clear that,Jesus (Yeshua) never became God 'as a man,' because he was NOT God, his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but as he stated, he was the Son of God. This is further shown by his submission to his Father's will, a distinct being. His Father, has exalted him to His, and he now sits, figuratively, at his Father's right hand as shown by Hebrews 12:2, "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." And Colosians 3:1, "Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God." (NIV). And his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has made him mediator between Himself and all of mankind, per 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (NIV).
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 556A]
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. Ephesians 4:17 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And 1 Peter 4:3, [AV] “For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:” shows we should give up our wrong ways. Yes, many of those doing what Almighty God (YHWH) does not want knew who He is , but as stated at Romans 1:21, [AV] “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Yes, all need to per Acts 26:18, [AV] “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” For those not wanting to be obedient to him, He per Romans 1:28, [AV] “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” So we should per Isaiah 56:11 - 12, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - SECOND IN A SERIES:
Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard John 10:31-33 that you clearly do not comprehend.
FIRST, You said,
John 10:31-33 (New International Version), "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
Jesus, became God 'as a man', with a man. For only that reason he denied equality to the Father. It was according to position he found himself needing to submit to. Yet? Jesus is right now God over all creation. The Father is on vacation. You do not know this?
You clearly missed on this. Let's look at it in context, John 10:30-33,
"I and the Father are one." 31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (New International Version; NIV).
First, let's consider John 10:30, where Jesus (Yeshua) said that he and his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, are one, and how they are one as that is the key to understanding John 10:30-33.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one. (New American Standard Bible; NASB)
This is an interesting scripture, and taken alone out of context could lead the unsteadfast to the false conclusion that they were one in body, but taken in contest, this would be seen as impossible. In John 10:29, Jesus (Yeshua) clearly showed they were two separate individuals, "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (NASB). Clearly here was a giver, the Father (YHWH) whom Jesus (Yeshua) publically declared was "greater than all" which statement would include being greater than himself, Jesus (Yeshua). Also, there was a receiver, a distinct individual, "has given them to Me."
This 'one' is one in purpose and this is made clear at John 17:9-11, " "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; 10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. 11 "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. Which not only shows Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father (YHWH) as being one in prupose, but also, all the true Christian followers of his Son (Yeshua).
As previously mentioned, many try and misuse this scripture, John 10:30, to support either a Duality or a Trinity; however, it supports neither and especially not a Trinity as only two individual beings are mentioned in it.
With respect a Trinity, Jay P. Green's, "Classic Bible Dictionary," says, "This is not itself a Biblical term, but was a term coined by Tertullian to refer to the whole concept under one word." [Classic Bible Dictionary," by Jay P. Green, page 483]. Another renown work says, "Respecting the manner in which the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit make one G-d, the Scripture teaches nothing, since the subject is of such a nature as not to admit of its being explained to us." [Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature," under Trinity, on page 553]. In other words, this false God (YHWH) dishonoring false doctrine of the Trinity is a revealed doctrine of men that is foreign to the scripture (Bible). It is to be outright rejected by all who are true followers of Jesus (Yeshua).
Second, Now let's consider John 10:31-33, "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (NIV).
Here is a case of his enemies looking for something to falsely accuse him of as he in no way said that he was the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, his Father; only his enemies said that. Now what was his answer to this false accusation?
Let's look at John 10:34-38 to gain an in-depth understanding, "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." (NIV). [b]Here we see Jesus (Yeshua) clearly stating that he was not his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but "I am God's Son," which is something very different than saying he is his Father the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. So here Jesus (Yeshua) clearly makes the distinction between himself and his Father.
So it is quite clear that,Jesus (Yeshua) never became God 'as a man,' because he was NOT God, his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but as he stated, he was the Son of God. This is further shown by his submission to his Father's will, a distinct being. His Father, has exalted him to His, and he now sits, figuratively, at his Father's right hand as shown by Hebrews 12:2, "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." And Colosians 3:1, "Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God." (NIV). And his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has made him mediator between Himself and all of mankind, per 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (NIV).
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - SECOND IN A SERIES:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 556A]
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. Ephesians 4:17 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And 1 Peter 4:3, [AV] “For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:” shows we should give up our wrong ways. Yes, many of those doing what Almighty God (YHWH) does not want knew who He is , but as stated at Romans 1:21, [AV] “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Yes, all need to per Acts 26:18, [AV] “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” For those not wanting to be obedient to him, He per Romans 1:28, [AV] “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” So we should per Isaiah 56:11 - 12, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.”
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Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard John 10:31-33 that you clearly do not comprehend.
FIRST, You said,
You clearly missed on this. Let's look at it in context, John 10:30-33,
"I and the Father are one." 31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (New International Version; NIV).
First, let's consider John 10:30, where Jesus (Yeshua) said that he and his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, are one, and how they are one as that is the key to understanding John 10:30-33.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one. (New American Standard Bible; NASB)
This is an interesting scripture, and taken alone out of context could lead the unsteadfast to the false conclusion that they were one in body, but taken in contest, this would be seen as impossible. In John 10:29, Jesus (Yeshua) clearly showed they were two separate individuals, "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (NASB). Clearly here was a giver, the Father (YHWH) whom Jesus (Yeshua) publically declared was "greater than all" which statement would include being greater than himself, Jesus (Yeshua). Also, there was a receiver, a distinct individual, "has given them to Me."
This 'one' is one in purpose and this is made clear at John 17:9-11, " "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; 10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. 11 "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. Which not only shows Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father (YHWH) as being one in prupose, but also, all the true Christian followers of his Son (Yeshua).
As previously mentioned, many try and misuse this scripture, John 10:30, to support either a Duality or a Trinity; however, it supports neither and especially not a Trinity as only two individual beings are mentioned in it.
With respect a Trinity, Jay P. Green's, "Classic Bible Dictionary," says, "This is not itself a Biblical term, but was a term coined by Tertullian to refer to the whole concept under one word." [Classic Bible Dictionary," by Jay P. Green, page 483]. Another renown work says, "Respecting the manner in which the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit make one G-d, the Scripture teaches nothing, since the subject is of such a nature as not to admit of its being explained to us." [Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature," under Trinity, on page 553]. In other words, this false God (YHWH) dishonoring false doctrine of the Trinity is a revealed doctrine of men that is foreign to the scripture (Bible). It is to be outright rejected by all who are true followers of Jesus (Yeshua).
Second, Now let's consider John 10:31-33, "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (NIV).
Here is a case of his enemies looking for something to falsely accuse him of as he in no way said that he was the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, his Father; only his enemies said that. Now what was his answer to this false accusation?
Let's look at John 10:34-38 to gain an in-depth understanding, "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." (NIV). [b]Here we see Jesus (Yeshua) clearly stating that he was not his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but "I am God's Son," which is something very different than saying he is his Father the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. So here Jesus (Yeshua) clearly makes the distinction between himself and his Father.
So it is quite clear that,Jesus (Yeshua) never became God 'as a man,' because he was NOT God, his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but as he stated, he was the Son of God. This is further shown by his submission to his Father's will, a distinct being. His Father, has exalted him to His, and he now sits, figuratively, at his Father's right hand as shown by Hebrews 12:2, "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." And Colosians 3:1, "Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God." (NIV). And his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has made him mediator between Himself and all of mankind, per 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (NIV).
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 556A]
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. Ephesians 4:17 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And 1 Peter 4:3, [AV] “For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:” shows we should give up our wrong ways. Yes, many of those doing what Almighty God (YHWH) does not want knew who He is , but as stated at Romans 1:21, [AV] “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Yes, all need to per Acts 26:18, [AV] “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” For those not wanting to be obedient to him, He per Romans 1:28, [AV] “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” So we should per Isaiah 56:11 - 12, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - SECOND IN A SERIES:
Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard John 10:31-33 that you clearly do not comprehend.
FIRST, You said,
John 10:31-33 (New International Version), "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
Jesus, became God 'as a man', with a man. For only that reason he denied equality to the Father. It was according to position he found himself needing to submit to. Yet? Jesus is right now God over all creation. The Father is on vacation. You do not know this?
You clearly missed on this. Let's look at it in context, John 10:30-33,
"I and the Father are one." 31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (New International Version; NIV).
First, let's consider John 10:30, where Jesus (Yeshua) said that he and his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, are one, and how they are one as that is the key to understanding John 10:30-33.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one. (New American Standard Bible; NASB)
This is an interesting scripture, and taken alone out of context could lead the unsteadfast to the false conclusion that they were one in body, but taken in contest, this would be seen as impossible. In John 10:29, Jesus (Yeshua) clearly showed they were two separate individuals, "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (NASB). Clearly here was a giver, the Father (YHWH) whom Jesus (Yeshua) publically declared was "greater than all" which statement would include being greater than himself, Jesus (Yeshua). Also, there was a receiver, a distinct individual, "has given them to Me."
This 'one' is one in purpose and this is made clear at John 17:9-11, " "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; 10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. 11 "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. Which not only shows Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father (YHWH) as being one in prupose, but also, all the true Christian followers of his Son (Yeshua).
As previously mentioned, many try and misuse this scripture, John 10:30, to support either a Duality or a Trinity; however, it supports neither and especially not a Trinity as only two individual beings are mentioned in it.
With respect a Trinity, Jay P. Green's, "Classic Bible Dictionary," says, "This is not itself a Biblical term, but was a term coined by Tertullian to refer to the whole concept under one word." [Classic Bible Dictionary," by Jay P. Green, page 483]. Another renown work says, "Respecting the manner in which the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit make one G-d, the Scripture teaches nothing, since the subject is of such a nature as not to admit of its being explained to us." [Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature," under Trinity, on page 553]. In other words, this false God (YHWH) dishonoring false doctrine of the Trinity is a revealed doctrine of men that is foreign to the scripture (Bible). It is to be outright rejected by all who are true followers of Jesus (Yeshua).
Second, Now let's consider John 10:31-33, "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (NIV).
Here is a case of his enemies looking for something to falsely accuse him of as he in no way said that he was the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, his Father; only his enemies said that. Now what was his answer to this false accusation?
Let's look at John 10:34-38 to gain an in-depth understanding, "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." (NIV). [b]Here we see Jesus (Yeshua) clearly stating that he was not his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but "I am God's Son," which is something very different than saying he is his Father the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is. So here Jesus (Yeshua) clearly makes the distinction between himself and his Father.
So it is quite clear that,Jesus (Yeshua) never became God 'as a man,' because he was NOT God, his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but as he stated, he was the Son of God. This is further shown by his submission to his Father's will, a distinct being. His Father, has exalted him to His, and he now sits, figuratively, at his Father's right hand as shown by Hebrews 12:2, "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." And Colosians 3:1, "Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God." (NIV). And his Father, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has made him mediator between Himself and all of mankind, per 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (NIV).
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - THIRD IN A SERIES:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 557A]
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 1 John 5:14, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, he hearth us as shown by 1 John 5:15, [AV] “And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.” Almighty God (YHWH) will hear us if per 1 John 3:21 - 22, [AV] “Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.” Then, per Hebrews 4:16, [AV] “Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” Clearly as recorded at John 9:31, [AV] “ Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - THIRD IN A SERIES:
Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard Philippians 2:6-8 that you clearly do not comprehend
You said,
You missed on this one. Now let's look at the facts in context and renown scholars on same..
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 557A]
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 1 John 5:14, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, he hearth us as shown by 1 John 5:15, [AV] “And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.” Almighty God (YHWH) will hear us if per 1 John 3:21 - 22, [AV] “Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.” Then, per Hebrews 4:16, [AV] “Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” Clearly as recorded at John 9:31, [AV] “ Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - THIRD IN A SERIES:
Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard Philippians 2:6-8 that you clearly do not comprehend
You said,
Philippians 2:6-8 (New International Version)
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death- even death on a cross!"
At that point in time? When God had to submit and become as a man? The Father was the greater in his function.
Yet? That was only to be until Jesus finished the work of salvation. Because? He had to die as a man, for all mankind. Only a man qualified to die for men.
But? After Jesus ascended? He became, and is now God over all creation in function. It is now the Father who rests from all work. Its the Deity of Christ who is now God over all.
You missed on this one. Now let's look at the facts in context and renown scholars on same..
An understanding of Phillipians 2:1-16:
SCRIPTURES:
1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship
of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of
one mind.
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each
esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was
made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto
death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above
every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God
the Father.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but
now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the
midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run
in vain, neither laboured in vain." (Philippians 2:1-16 AV - Authorized King James
Version).
SALIENT HEIGHLIGHTS - PHILIPPIANS 2:5-8:
First, Philippians 2:5-8 clearly show that Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) exist as a spirit
being in the same physical form type as his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), but that he,
Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) was obedient to his Father, but gave no thought to a
consideration to a seizure, namely that he should be equal to God. This can clearly be
seen by:
"6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a
thing to be grasped," (Philippians 2:6 ASV - American Standard Bible).
"6 Who, in form of God, subsisting, not, a thing to be seized, accounted the being equal
with God," (Philippians 2:6 Rotherham)
"6 Existiendo en forma de Dios, él no consideró el ser igual a Dios como algo a qué
aferrarse;" (Philippians 2:6 Spanish RVA 89)
"who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own
advantage." (Philippians 2:6 Holoman Standard Christian Bible)
"who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,"
(Philippians 2:6 NASV - New American Standard Version)
"who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something
to be exploited, " (Philippians 2:6 NRSV - New Revised Standard Version)
"Who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should
be equal to God." (Philippians 2:6 NWT - New World Translation)
"Christ himself was like God in everything. But he did not think that being equal with
God was something to be used for his own benefit." (Philippians 2:6 New Century
Version)
"6Who, being in very nature[1] God, did not consider equality with God something to be
grasped, " [alternate rend. Footnote - - 1 - Or in the form of] (Philippians 2:6 NIV - New
International Version)
"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God, something to be grasped."
(Philippians 2:6 The New American Bible -Catholic- Approved in the Vatican, September 18, 1970 by the
Pope)
"He was in every way like God. Yet he did not think that being equal to God was something he must hold
on to. " (Philippians 2:6 World Wide English)
SALIENT SCRIPTURE AND ITS UNDERSTANDING - PHILIPPIANS 2:5-11:
This fact, that God's Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) is a separate spirit being from his Father
(YHWH) is even made much clearer if we view more than one scripture at a time:
"Let Christ himself be your example as to what your attitude should be. For he, who had
always been God by nature, did not cling to his prerogatives as God's equal, but stripped
himself of all privilege by consenting to be a slave by nature and being born as mortal
man. And, having become man, he humbled himself by living a life of utter obedience,
even to the extent of dying, and the death he died was the death of a common criminal.
That is why God has now lifted him so high, and has given him the name beyond all
names, so that at the name of Jesus "every knee shall bow", whether in Heaven or earth or
under the earth. And that is why, in the end, "every tongue shall confess" that Jesus
Christ" is the Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:5-11 J B PHILLIPS
Translation of the NEW TESTAMENT)
The J.B. Phillips Translation of the New Testament makes clear the Son's, Jesus's
(Yeshua or YHWH saves) attitude with respect to being obedient to his Father, Almighty
God (YHWH). It states, "Let Christ himself be your example as to what your
attitude should be." Which clearly shows that all genuine followers of the Son
should also be humble. Also, it clearly says, "For he, who had always been God by
nature, did not cling to his prerogatives as God's equal, but stripped himself of all
privilege by consenting to be a slave by nature and being born as mortal man." That
although he was existing as a spirit creature just like his Father (YHWH) that he gave no
thought to being the equal of his Father (YHWH), but was subordinate and obedient to
him in clear conformity to " But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1
Corinthians 11:3 AV). Clearly then, he, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) can not then
be a member of a co-equal trinity of beings in a Trinitarian Godhead since he is neither
equal to his Father, nor did not always exist as did his Father (YHWH) " And unto the
angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful
and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (Revelation 3:14 AV) and " Who
is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15 AV).
His subjection was made quite clear as follows, "And, having become man, he humbled
himself by living a life of utter obedience, even to the extent of dying, and the death he
died was the death of a common criminal." Clearly he, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves)
was doing the will of his Father (YHWH) . In fact, when tempted by Satan the Devil he
stated " Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt
worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Matthew 4:10 AV), " Jesus
saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my
brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God,
and your God." (John 20:17 AV), "21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour
cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father
in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and
they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith unto
him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all
things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he." (John 4:21-26 AV).
Of course, since Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH) is Almighty God (YHWH) only begotten Son, he is
also a God, but a lessor one; therefore, The First Commandment of the Ten Commandments, "
Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3 AV), is not violated since he is neither
equal to or before his Father.
Since he has proved his obedience to his Father (YHWH), his Father (YHWH) has " That is why
God has now lifted him so high, and has given him the name beyond all names, so that at
the name of Jesus "every knee shall bow", whether in Heaven or earth or under the earth.
And that is why, in the end, "every tongue shall confess" that Jesus Christ" is the Lord, to
the glory of God the Father." And his Father has subjected all things onto his Son, except
himself, "17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they
also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ,
we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the
firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection
of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every
man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;
when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he
hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." 27 For he
hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that
he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto
him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God
may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:17-28 AV). Therefore, it is clear that Almighty God, the
Father (YHWH) is the superior one since he has put all things under his Son, Jesus (Yeshua or
YHWH saves), except himself, and could not do so unless he was above or superior to his Son.
Also, it is clear that after he accomplishes his Father's purpose, he, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH
saves), will subject himself to his father, "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then
shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all
in all." This clearly shows that Trinitarian Theology and Dualism Theology are false dogma and
should be clearly rejected by all Christians.
COMMENTS BY OTHER BIBLE SCHOLARS ON PHILIPPIANS 2:5 -11:
Bible Scholar, Theodore Beza, stated:
2:5 2 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
(2) He sets before them a most perfect example of all modesty and sweet conduct, Christ Jesus,
whom we ought to follow with all our might: who abased himself so much for our sakes, although
he is above all, that he took upon himself the form of a servant, that is, our flesh, willingly subject
to all weaknesses, even to the death of the cross.
2:6 Who, being in the d form of God, e thought it not robbery to be f equal with God:
(d) Such as God himself is, and therefore God, for there is no one in all parts equal to God but God
himself.
(e) Christ, that glorious and everlasting God, knew that he might rightfully and lawfully not appear
in the base flesh of man, but remain with majesty fit for God: yet he chose rather to debase
himself.
(f) If the Son is equal with the Father, then is there of necessity an equality, which Arrius that
heretic denies: and if the Son is compared to the Father, then is there a distinction of persons,
which Sabellius that heretic denies.
2:7 But made himself of g no reputation, and took upon him the h form of a servant, and was made in the
likeness of men:
(g) He brought himself from all things, as it were to nothing.
(h) By taking our manhood upon him.
2:9 3 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a i name which is above every name:
(3) He shows the most glorious even of Christ's submission, to teach us that
modesty is the true way to true praise and glory.
(i) Dignity and high distinction, and that which accompanies it.
2:10 That at the name of Jesus k every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and
[things] under the earth;
(k) All creatures will at length be subject to Christ.
2:11 And [that] l every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(l) Every nation. [Beza, Theodore. "Commentary on Philippians 2". "The 1599 Geneva Study Bible".
1600-1645.]
Bible Scholar, Matthew Henry, said:
Note, this scholars comments cover more than Philippians 2:5-11, it cover Philippians 2:1-11.
The apostle proceeds in this chapter where he left off in the last, with further exhortations to
Christian duties. He presses them largely to like-mindedness and lowly-mindedness, in
conformity to the example of the Lord Jesus, the great pattern of humility and love. Here we may
observe, I. The great gospel precept passed upon us; that is, to love one another. This is the law
of Christ's kingdom, the lesson of his school, the livery of his family. This he represents (v. 2) by
being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. We are of a like mind
when we have the same love. Christians should be one in affection, whether they can be one in
apprehension or no. This is always in their power, and always their duty, and is the likeliest way
to bring them nearer in judgment. Having the same love. Observe, The same love that we are
required to express to others, others are bound to express to us. Christian love ought to be
mutual love. Love, and you shall be loved. Being of one accord, and of one mind; not crossing
and thwarting, or driving on separate interests, but unanimously agreeing in the great things of
God and keeping the unity of the Spirit in other differences. Here observe, 1. The pathetic
pressing of the duty. He is very importunate with them, knowing what an evidence it is of our
sincerity, and what a means of the preservation and edification of the body of Christ. The
inducements to brotherly love are these:-(1.) "If there is any consolation in Christ. Have you
experienced consolation in Christ? Evidence that experience by loving one another.'' The
sweetness we have found in the doctrine of Christ should sweeten our spirits. Do we expect
consolation in Christ? If we would not be disappointed, we must love one another. If we have not
consolation in Christ, where else can we expect it? Those who have an interest in Christ have
consolation in him, strong and everlasting consolation (Heb. 6:18; 2 Th. 2:16), and therefore
ought to love one another. (2.) "Comfort of love. If there is any comfort in Christian love, in God's
love to you, in your love to God, or in your brethren's love to us, in consideration of all this, be you
like-minded. If you have ever found that comfort, if you would find it, if you indeed believe that the
grace of love is a comfortable grace, abound in it.'' (3.) "Fellowship of the Spirit. If there is such a
thing as communion with God and Christ by the Spirit, such a thing as the communion of saints,
by virtue of their being animated and actuated by one and the same Spirit, be you like-minded; for
Christian love and like-mindedness will preserve to us our communion with God and with one
another.'' (4.) "Any bowels and mercies, in God and Christ, towards you. If you expect the benefit
of God's compassions to yourselves, be you compassionate one to another. If there is such a
thing as mercy to be found among the followers of Christ, if all who are sanctified have a
disposition to holy pity, make it appear this way.'' How cogent are these arguments! One would
think them enough to tame the most fierce, and mollify the hardest, heart. (5.) Another argument
he insinuates is the comfort it would be to him: Fulfil you my joy. It is the joy of ministers to see
people like-minded and living in love. He had been instrumental in bringing them to the grace of
Christ and the love of God. "Now,'' says he, "if you have found any benefit by your participation of
the gospel of Christ, if you have any comfort in it, or advantage by it, fulfil the joy of your poor
minister, who preached the gospel to you.'' 2. He proposes some means to promote it. (1.) Do
nothing through strife and vain glory, v. 3. There is no greater enemy to Christian love than pride
and passion. If we do things in contradiction to our brethren, this is doing them through strife; if
we do them through ostentation of ourselves, this is doing them through vain-glory: both are
destructive of Christian love and kindle unchristian heats. Christ came to slay all enmities;
therefore let there not be among Christians a spirit of opposition. Christ came to humble us, and
therefore let there not be among us a spirit of pride. (2.) We must esteem others in lowliness of
mind better than ourselves, be severe upon our own faults and charitable in our judgments of
others, be quick in observing our own defects and infirmities, but ready to overlook and make
favourable allowances for the defects of others. We must esteem the good which is in others
above that which is in ourselves; for we best know our own unworthiness and imperfections. (3.)
We must interest ourselves in the concerns of others, not in a way of curiosity and
censoriousness, or as busy-bodies in other men's matters, but in Christian love and sympathy:
Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others, v. 4. A selfish
spirit is destructive of Christian love. We must be concerned not only for our own credit, and
ease, and safety, but for those of others also; and rejoice in the prosperity of others as truly as in
our own. We must love our neighbour as ourselves, and make his case our own. II. Here is a
gospel pattern proposed to our imitation, and that is the example of our Lord Jesus Christ: Let this
mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, v. 5. Observe, Christians must be of Christ's mind.
We must bear a resemblance to his life, if we would have the benefit of his death. If we have not
the Spirit of Christ, we are none of his, Rom. 8:9. Now what was the mind of Christ? He was
eminently humble, and this is what we are peculiarly to learn of him. Learn of me, for I am meek
and lowly in heart, Mt. 11:29. If we were lowly-minded, we should be like-minded; and, if we were
like Christ, we should be lowly-minded. We must walk in the same spirit and in the same steps
with the Lord Jesus, who humbled himself to sufferings and death for us; not only to satisfy God's
justice, and pay the price of our redemption, but to set us an example, and that we might follow
his steps. Now here we have the two natures and the two states of our Lord Jesus. It is
observable that the apostle, having occasion to mention the Lord Jesus, and the mind which was
in him, takes the hint to enlarge upon his person, and to give a particular description of him. It is a
pleasing subject, and a gospel minister needs not think himself out of the way when he is upon it;
any fit occasion should be readily taken. 1. Here are the two natures of Christ: his divine nature
and his human nature. (1.) Here is his divine nature: Who being in the form of God (v. 6),
partaking of the divine nature, as the eternal and only begotten Son of God. This agrees with Jn.
1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God: it is of the same import with
being the image of the invisible God (Col. 1:15), and the brightness of his glory, and express
image of his person, Heb. 1:3. He thought it no robbery to be equal with God; did not think himself
guilty of any invasion of what did not belong to him, or assuming another's right. He said, I and
my Father are one, Jn. 10:30. It is the highest degree of robbery for any mere man or mere
creature to pretend to be equal with God, or profess himself one with the Father. This is for a man
to rob God, not in tithes and offerings, but of the rights of his Godhead, Mal. 3:8. Some
understand being in the form of God - en morphe Theou hyparchon, of his appearance in a
divine majestic glory to the patriarchs, and the Jews, under the Old Testament, which was often
called the glory, and the Shechinah. The word is used in such a sense by the Septuagint and in
the New Testament. He appeared to the two disciples, en hetera morphe - In another form, Mk.
16:12. Metemorphothe - he was transfigured before them, Mt. 17:2. And he thought it no
robbery to be equal with God; he did not greedily catch at, nor covet and affect to appear in that
glory; he laid aside the majesty of his former appearance while he was here on earth, which is
supposed to be the sense of the peculiar expression, ouk harpagmon hegesato. Vid. Bishop
Bull's Def. cap. 2 sect. 4 et alibi, and Whitby in loc. (2.) His human nature: He was made in the
likeness of men, and found in fashion as a man. He was really and truly man, took part of our
flesh and blood, appeared in the nature and habit of man. And he voluntarily assumed human
nature; it was his own act, and by his own consent. We cannot say that our participation of the
human nature is so. Herein he emptied himself, divested himself of the honours and glories of the
upper world, and of his former appearance, to clothe himself with the rags of human nature. He
was in all things like to us, Heb. 2:17. 2. Here are his two estates, of humiliation and exaltation.
(1.) His estate of humiliation. He not only took upon him the likeness and fashion of a man, but
the form of a servant, that is, a man of mean estate. He was not only God's servant whom he had
chosen, but he came to minister to men, and was among them as one who serveth in a mean and
servile state. One would think that the Lord Jesus, if he would be a man, should have been a
prince, and appeared in splendour. But quite the contrary: He took upon him the form of a
servant. He was brought up meanly, probably working with his supposed father at his trade. His
whole life was a life of humiliation, meanness, poverty, and disgrace; he had nowhere to lay his
head, lived upon alms, was a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, did not appear with
external pomp, or any marks of distinction from other men. This was the humiliation of his life. But
the lowest step of his humiliation was his dying the death of the cross. He became obedient to
death, even the death of the cross. He not only suffered, but was actually and voluntarily
obedient; he obeyed the law which he brought himself under as Mediator, and by which he was
obliged to die. I have power to lay down my life, and I have power to take it again: this
commandment have I received of my Father, Jn. 10:18. And he was made under the law, Gal.
4:4. There is an emphasis laid upon the manner of his dying, which had in it all the circumstances
possible which are humbling: Even the death of the cross, a cursed, painful, and shameful
death,-a death accursed by the law (Cursed is he that hangeth on a tree) -full of pain, the body
nailed through the nervous parts (the hands and feet) and hanging with all its weight upon the
cross,-and the death of a malefactor and a slave, not of a free-man,-exposed as a public
spectacle. Such was the condescension of the blessed Jesus. (2.) His exaltation: Wherefore God
also hath highly exalted him. His exaltation was the reward of his humiliation. Because he
humbled himself, God exalted him; and he highly exalted him, hyperypsose, raised him to an
exceeding height. He exalted his whole person, the human nature as well as the divine; for he is
spoken of as being in the form of God as well as in the fashion of man. As it respects the divine
nature, it could only be the recognizing of his rights, or the display and appearance of the glory he
had with the Father before the world was (Jn. 17:5), not any new acquisition of glory; and so the
Father himself is said to be exalted. But the proper exaltation was of his human nature, which
alone seems to be capable of it, though in conjunction with the divine. His exaltation here is made
to consist in honour and power. In honour; so he had a name above every name, a title of dignity
above all the creatures, men and angels. And in power: Every knee must bow to him. The whole
creation must be in subjection to him: things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the
earth, the inhabitants of heaven and earth, the living and the dead. At the name of Jesus; not at
the sound of the word, but the authority of Jesus; all should pay a solemn homage. And that
every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord -every nation and language should
publicly own the universal empire of the exalted Redeemer, and that all power in heaven and
earth is given to him, Mt. 28:18. Observe the vast extent of the kingdom of Christ; it reaches to
heaven and earth, and to all the creatures in each, to angels as well as men, and to the dead as
well as the living.- To the glory of God the Father. Observe, It is to the glory of God the Father to
confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; for it is his will that all men should honour the Son as they
honour the Father, Jn. 5:23. Whatever respect is paid to Christ redounds to the honour of the
Father. He who receiveth me receiveth him who sent me, Mt. 10:40.
[Henry, Matthew. "Commentary on Philippians 2". "Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole
Bible". 1706.]
Bible Scholar, Barton W. Johnson, stated:
5-8. Let this mind be in you. He points to Christ as the example of humility and consecration to the good
of others. 6. Who, being in the form of God. He refers to the state of our Savior before he took human
form. His form was divine. "He had a glory with the father before the world was." See John 1:1; 2 Cor. 4:4;
Heb. 1:3, etc. Thought it not robbery to be equal with God. The Revision says, "Counted it not a prize."
The meaning is not entirely clear, but probably is that "Having a form of glory like God, he did not count it
a prize which must be clung to tenaciously, especially when he appeared upon the earth, that he should be
equal with God, that is, appear in a divine form, but was willing to lay aside his glory and make himself a
servant." 7. Emptied himself. Of the divine form and glory, and took the form of a servant, of our own
race, a race whose duty it is to serve God. The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness. 8. He
humbled himself. Note the infinite condescension: (1) The form of God and sharing the divine glory. (2)
He divests himself of this. (3) Nor does he then take the divine form, or even the form of an angel, but of
lowly, sinful man. (4) But this is not all. He not only takes the form of man, but the mortality of the flesh,
and dies. (5) Nay, more; he dies the most shameful and painful of all deaths, even the death of the cross.
9-11. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him. His wonderful humility had been shown, but it is the
law of the universe that he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Therefore God lifted him up from the
grave to the heavens, gave all power into his hands (Matt. 28:18), and gave him a name above every
name. The idea is an authority, a position, above that of all intelligences. This exaltation made the humble
name, Jesus, a name above every name. 10. That at the name of Jesus. That name, by the exaltation, has
become the name of the King of kings. It is supreme. Hence, every knee in all the universe bows to its
majesty. Under the earth. In the under-world, hades, the abode of the dead. 11. And that every tongue
should confess. All the universe is called to confess him as Lord, and thus glorify God. All will yet confess
him, either in joy or shame. [Johnson, Barton W. "Commentary on Philippians 2". "People's New
Testament". 1891.]
SALIENT HEIGHLIGHTS - PHILIPPIANS 2:1-4:
"Now if your experience of Christ's encouragement and love means anything to you, if
you have known something of the fellowship of his Spirit, and all that it means in
kindness and deep sympathy, do make my best hope for you come true! Live together in
harmony, live together in love, as though you had only one mind and one spirit between
you. Never act from motives of rivalry or personal vanity, but in humility think more of
each other then you do of yourselves. None of you should think only of his own affairs,
but should learn to see things from other people's point of view." ." (Philippians 2:1-4 J
B PHILLIPS Translation of the NEW TESTAMENT).
This group of scriptures drives home the point that God's way is love. It clearly
emphasis Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) encouragement to love, "love means anything
to you, if you have known something of the fellowship of his Spirit, and all that it means
in kindness and deep sympathy, do make my best hope for you come true!"
It shows we should, "! Live together in harmony, live together in love, as though you had
only one mind and one spirit between you. Never act from motives of rivalry or personal
vanity, but in humility think more of each other then you do of yourselves. None of you
should think only of his own affairs, but should learn to see things from other people's
point of view."
This same point of love distinguishes true Christianity as being all about love, 1 st. love
for the Creator, Jehovah God, and second love for one's fellow man. You can not love
God whom you can not see if you do not at first love your fellow man whom you can see.
When Jesus Christ was asked what is the greatest commandment, he answered, "Master,
which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the
Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is
the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
(Matthew 22:36-40 AV). The Holy Bible plainly shows we should not judge our
neighbors, but love them. This does not mean loving their sin. Matthew 7:1-2, states,
"Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with what judgment you are judging, you
will be judged," and Romans 14:4, 10-13, "Who are you to judge the house servant of
another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God
can make him stand. But why do you judge your brother? For we shall all stand before
the judgment seat of God... Therefore let us not be judging one another any longer," this
plainly shows no true Christian should be executing judgment on anyone with respect sin.
In fact this would be a usurping of God's exclusive right, i.e., blaspheme, Matthew 25:31-
32 states, "When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he
will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and
he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the
goats." Second, we should be loving our neighbors and attempting to get them to turn
away from sin, not judging, hurting, or killing them in violation of God's law.
COMMENTS BY OTHER BIBLE SCHOLARS ON PHILIPPIANS 2:1-4:
Bible Scholar, Theodore Beza, stated:
2:1 If 1 [there be] therefore any consolation in a Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of
the Spirit, if any b bowels and mercies,
(1) A most earnest request to remove all those things, by which that great and special
consent and agreement is commonly broken, that is, contention and pride, by which it
comes to pass that they separate themselves from one another.
(a) Any Christian comfort.
(b) If any seeking of inward love.
2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the c same love, [being] of one accord, of one
mind.
(c) Equal love. [Beza, Theodore. "Commentary on Philippians 2". "The 1599 Geneva Study Bible". 1600-
1645.]
Bible Scholar, Barton W. Johnson, stated:
1-4. If there be therefore any consolation, etc. The apostle does not doubt that there is consolation,
comfort, spiritual fellowship, etc., in Christ, but bases an exhortation on what the Philippians knew to be
the case. Bowels and mercies. "Tender mercies and compassion," as in the Revision. 2. Fulfil ye my joy.
Make my joy full. They had already given him much joy (4:1-10), but he desired one thing more; viz., that
they be like-minded, in full agreement, perfect harmony. Having the same love. Loving one another with
pure hearts fervently. Being of one accord. Of one heart and soul. No outward strife. 3. Nothing through
strife or vain glory. No party spirit or striving for human praise. Let each esteem, etc. Instead of exalting
himself, each is to exalt others in his esteem. He that is willing to serve is greatest. 4. Look not every man
on his own things. Do not look out for your own interests alone, but for the interests of others rather than
your own. [Johnson, Barton W. "Commentary on Philippians 2". "People's New Testament". 1891.]
SALIENT HEIGHLIGHTS - PHILIPPIANS 2:11-16:
"So then, my dearest friends, as you have always followed my advice - and that not only
when I was present to give it - so now that I am far away be keener than ever to work out
the salvation that God has given you with a proper sense of awe and responsibility. For it
is God who is at work within you, giving you the will and the power to achieve his
purpose. Do all you have to do without grumbling or arguing, so that you may be God's
children, blameless, sincere and wholesome, living in a warped and diseased world, and
shining there like lights in a dark place. For you hold in your hands the very word of life.
Thus can you give me something to be proud of in the day of Christ, for I shall know then
that I did not spend my energy in vain. "." (Philippians 2:1-4 J B PHILLIPS Translation
of the NEW TESTAMENT).
Here the Apostle Paul is showing we must work out our salvation with God (YHWH).
He states, "For it is God who is at work within you, giving you the will and the power to
achieve his purpose." How so, well through his active force which is commonly known
as the Holy Spirit.
He gives us admonition to, "Do all you have to do without grumbling or arguing, so that
you may be God's children, blameless, sincere and wholesome, living in a warped and
diseased world, and shining there like lights in a dark place. For you hold in your hands
the very word of life." We should not be grumbling or arguing with each other, but
should bear in mind that we are living in a warped and diseased world that will shortly be
replaced by a righteous world that we pray for, "5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not
be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the
corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have
their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast
shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret
shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen
do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore
like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy
name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." (Matthew
6:5-10 AV).
This will clearly come about shortly when Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) starts to fulfill his assignment
by his Father is given the 'go ahead' to answer our pray, "10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done
in earth, as it is in heaven." (Matthew 6:10 AV). This day, will be, "Thus can you give me
something to be proud of in the day of Christ, for I shall know then that I did not spend
my energy in vain. " To reiterate, Almighty God's (JYWH's) command or assignment to
his Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves), "22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ
shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall
have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all
rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under
his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all
things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that
he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be
subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things
under him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:10-28 AV).
COMMENTS BY OTHER BIBLE SCHOLARS ON PHILIPPIANS 2:12-16:
Bible Scholar, Theodore Beza, stated:
12, 13. Wherefore, my beloved. From the contemplation of Christ's glory, the apostle turns to the lessons
needed by the Philippian church. Work out your own salvation. While Christ is our Savior, and the author
of our salvation, we must accept him and work together with him. Hence the Holy Spirit says, "Save
yourselves" (Acts 2:40), and "work out your own salvation." Unless we do our part Christ cannot save us.
With fear and trembling. With constant anxiety not to fail. 13. For it is God which worketh in you. God
works in the converted person by his word and Spirit. His Spirit is a helper. It does not destroy our free
will, for we may resist it (1 Thess. 5:19). Both to will and to work. God shows his will by his word and
spirit and work in us. We ought to heed it. We can work in harmony with the divine will, or we may reject
to our damnation. His good pleasure. As seemeth best to him.
14-18. Do all things without murmurings. Without complaining. Some persons pass their lives
complaining. 15. The sons of God. Those of so high estate ought to be harmless, blameless, and in the
midst of a crooked and perverse generation, a wicked world, they should shine as lights by their pure
and holy lives. 16. Holding forth the word of life. Always preaching Christ in word, in life, and in deed.
That was their work. Unless they did this they were a failure. That I may rejoice. Unless they had done so
he would be made to feel, in the day of Christ, the day of accounts, that his labor at Philippi was in vain.
[Johnson, Barton W. "Commentary on Philippians 2". "People's New Testament". 1891.]
Bible Scholar, Matthew Henry, said:
He exhorts them to diligence and seriousness in the Christian course: Work out your own salvation. It is the
salvation of our souls (1 Pt. 1:9), and our eternal salvation (Heb. 5:9), and contains deliverance from all the
evils sin had brought upon us and exposed us to, and the possession of all good and whatsoever is
necessary to our complete and final happiness. Observe, It concerns us above all things to secure the
welfare of our souls: whatever becomes of other things, let us take care of our best interests. It is our own
salvation, the salvation of our own souls. It is not for us to judge other people; we have enough to do to
look to ourselves; and, though we must promote the common salvation (Jude 3) as much as we can, yet we
must upon no account neglect our own. We are required to work out our salvation, katergazesthe. The word
signifies working thoroughly at a thing, and taking true pains. Observe, We must be diligent in the use of
all the means which conduce to our salvation. We must not only work at our salvation, by doing something
now and then about it; but we must work out our salvation, by doing all that is to be done, and persevering
therein to the end. Salvation is the great thing we should mind, and set our hearts upon; and we cannot
attain salvation without the utmost care and diligence. He adds, With fear and trembling, that is, with great
care and circumspection: "Trembling for fear lest you miscarry and come short. Be careful to do every
thing in religion in the best manner, and fear lest under all your advantages you should so much as seem to
come short,'' Heb. 4:1. Fear is a great guard and preservative from evil. II. He urges this from the
consideration of their readiness always to obey the gospel: "As you have always obeyed, not as in my
presence only, but now much more in my absence, v. 12. You have been always willing to comply with
every discovery of the will of God; and that in my absence as well as presence. You make it to appear that
regard to Christ, and care of your souls, sway more with you than any mode of showing respect
whatsoever.'' They were not merely awed by the apostle's presence, but did it even much more in his
absence. "And because it is God who worketh in you, do you work out your salvation. Work, for he
worketh.'' It should encourage us to do our utmost, because our labour shall not be in vain. God is ready to
concur with his grace, and assist our faithful endeavours. Observe, Though we must use our utmost
endeavours in working out our salvation, yet still we must go forth, and go on, in a dependence upon the
grace of God. His grace works in us in a way suitable to our natures, and in concurrence with our
endeavours; and the operations of God's grace in us are so far from excusing, that they are intended to
quicken and engage our endeavours. "And work out our salvation with fear and trembling, for he worketh
in you.'' All our working depends upon his working in us. "Do not trifle with God by neglects and delays,
lest you provoke him to withdraw his help, and all your endeavours prove in vain. Work with fear, for he
works of his good pleasure.''-To will and to do: he gives the whole ability. It is the grace of God which
inclines the will to that which is good: and then enables us to perform it, and to act according to our
principles. Thou hast wrought all our works in us, Isa. 26:12. Of his good pleasure. As there is no strength
in us, so there is no merit in us. As we cannot act without God's grace, so we cannot claim it, nor pretend to
deserve it. God's good will to us is the cause of his good work in us; and he is under no engagements to his
creatures, but those of his gracious promise. [Henry, Matthew. "Commentary on Philippians 2". "Matthew
Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible". 1706.]
Bible Scholar, Barton W. Johnson, stated:
12-13 Wherefore, my beloved. From the contemplation of Christ's glory, the apostle turns to the lessons
needed by the Philippian church. Work out your own salvation. While Christ is our Savior, and the author
of our salvation, we must accept him and work together with him. Hence the Holy Spirit says, "Save
yourselves" (Acts 2:40), and "work out your own salvation." Unless we do our part Christ cannot save us.
With fear and trembling. With constant anxiety not to fail. 13. For it is God which worketh in you. God
works in the converted person by his word and Spirit. His Spirit is a helper. It does not destroy our free
will, for we may resist it (1 Thess. 5:19). Both to will and to work. God shows his will by his word and
spirit and work in us. We ought to heed it. We can work in harmony with the divine will, or we may reject
to our damnation. His good pleasure. As seemeth best to him.
14-16. Do all things without murmurings. Without complaining. Some persons pass their lives
complaining. 15. The sons of God. Those of so high estate ought to be harmless, blameless, and in the
midst of a crooked and perverse generation, a wicked world, they should shine as lights by their pure
and holy lives. 16. Holding forth the word of life. Always preaching Christ in word, in life, and in deed.
That was their work. Unless they did this they were a failure. That I may rejoice. Unless they had done so
he would be made to feel, in the day of Christ, the day of accounts, that his labor at Philippi was in vain.
[Johnson, Barton W. "Commentary on Philippians 2". "People's New Testament". 1891.]
CONCLUSION:
It can clearly be seen that while Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) is a God, he is a lessor
God than his Father, Almighty God (YHWH) and is subordinate to his and not equal to or
before him. Therefore Christianity is a monotheistic religion. This is in keeping with the
First of the Ten Commandments, " And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto
Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to
them." (Exodus 6:3 AV) and " That men may know that thou, whose name alone is
JEHOVAH [Yehovah probably is more in keeping with YHWH], art the most high over all
the earth." (Psalms 83:18 AV), and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) said, " And
he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy
name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth." (Luke 11:2 AV).
Note, he, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) wanted his followers to recognize that his
Father's (YHWH's) name should be "hallowed" and not his own name, clearly showing
he was obedient to his Father, a superior one.
As stated earlier, "Of course, since Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH) is Almighty God (YHWH) only begotten
Son, he is also a God, but a lessor one; therefore, The First Commandment of the Ten Commandments, "
Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3 AV), is not violated since he is neither equal to or
before his Father." The Bible makes his position as, " The beginning of the gospel of Jesus
Christ, the Son of God;" (Mark 1:1 AV). He is the ONLY mediator between God (YHWH)
and mankind as shown by, " For there is one God, and one mediator between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus;" (1 Timothy 2:5 AV).
This is a most interesting scripture as it clearly shows Almighty God's (YHWH's) superior
position and that the Father (YHWH) and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) are two distinct spirit beings with the Son being the subordinate.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 558A]
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. Ephesians 4:17 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And 1 Peter 4:3, [AV] “For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:” shows we should give up our wrong ways. Yes, many of those doing what Almighty God (YHWH) does not want knew who He is , but as stated at Romans 1:21, [AV] “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Yes, all need to per Acts 26:18, [AV] “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” For those not wanting to be obedient to him, He per Romans 1:28, [AV] “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” So we should per Isaiah 56:11 - 12, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.”
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Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard Romans 9:5 that you clearly do not comprehend
You said,
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"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."
Right now it is Christ who is God over all creation. Just as the Deity of Christ denied himself of his own power in Jesus before the Cross. Now, the Father is backing off his power over all creation, and has assigned all authority of Deity over creation to Christ Jesus! God is right now God over all creation through Christ!">>>.
You missed it on this one:
Romans 9:5, "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen." [Authorized King James Bible; AV]
To fully understand this scripture we must look at how other Bible translations render it and what Koine Greek experts on translation have to say about it. Let's first look at how several other Bible translations render it:
Romans 9:5 "Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen." (New International Version; NIV)
Romans 9:5 "Whose are the fathers and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen." (Romans 9:5 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible)
And now what several Koine Greek experts had to say with respect to Romans 9:5, it is as I said, "I see this as merely a scriptural pericope of two parts, the first being who are the fathers being discussed and the second part being a blessing of Almighty God for ever and ever. This means that the fathers here being spoken of are propably as brought out by John Gill, writer of the 'The New John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible,' said, "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; for, according to the F1 Jewish writers, ``they call none in Israel (twba) , "fathers", but three, and they are Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and they call none "mothers" but four, and they are, Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, and Leah:''; whereas the reflective statement, "God blessed for ever. Amen" is the standard as John Gill stated, "The apostle alludes to that well known periphrastic name of God so much used by the Jews, (awh Kwrb vwdqh) , "the holy, blessed God"; to which, by way of assent and confirmation, the apostle puts his Amen." Is a way of showing reverence to Almighty God (YHWH) much used by the Jews and the Amen on its end simply means that all who say it are in agreement as shown by the meaning of the ancient Hebrew word that has been simply transliterated into most languages per Strong as follows: "at the end-so it is, so be it, may it be fulfilled. It was a custom, which passed over from the synagogues to the Christian assemblies, that when he who had read or discoursed, had offered up solemn prayer to God, the others responded Amen, and thus made the substance of what was uttered their own. [John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible]
The word "amen" is a most remarkable word. It was transliterated directly from the Hebrew into the Greek of the New Testament, then into Latin and into English and many other languages, so that it is practically a universal word. It has been called the best known word in human speech. The word is directly related-in fact, almost identical-to the Hebrew word for "believe" (amam), or faithful. Thus, it came to mean "sure" or "truly", an expression of absolute trust and confidence. (HMM)"
Now the one other part of this scripture, "concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all," this relates to Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) being given responsibility and power for a time over all things in heaven and on earth except his Father (YHWH) by his father as shown by 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, "But as it is, Christ has risen from the dead, the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by a man come death, by a man also comes resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made to live. 23 But each in his own turn, Christ as first-fruits, then they who are Christ's, who have believed, at his coming. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when he does away with all sovereignty, authority and power. 25 For he must reign, until 'he has put all his enemies under his feet.' 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed will be death, for 'he has put all things under his feet.' But when he says 27 all things are subject to him, undoubtedly he is excepted who has subjected all things to him. 28 And when all things are made subject to him, then the Son himself will also be made subject to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible). Now let's look at some of the Bible scriptures impinging on this:
This is especially significant as the term "God" appears in the book of Romans 154 times including Romans 9:5, and the other 153 times so how could/should even the most ardent among those believing the error of coequality between God (YHWH) and the Son, Jesus (Yeshua), the Trinitarians will agree that Paul meant the Father (YHWH) when he said God. Now realistically how would a Trinitarian isolate Romans 9:5, this one Scripture, and switch the meaning of the term from the Father to the Son, even when a similar expression in the same epistle is applied to the Father is beyond understanding!
This fact is made clear by the Bible showing that the God of Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) is his Father, Almighty God, at John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." (AV); And at, 1 Peter 1:3,
" Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead," (AV); And at, Mark 15:34, " And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (AV).
It is reaffirmed by the following scriptures that clearly show His Father (YHWH) gave him power to judge, heal, and remove sin by use of his Father's Holy Spirit:
Acts 10:38, " How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." (AV); Revelation 5:13, " And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." (AV); Matthew 9:6, " But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house." (AV); Mark 2:10, " But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)" (AV); Mark 3:15,
" And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:" (AV); Luke 4:36, " And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out." (AV); Luke 5:17, " And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them." (AV); Luke 5:24, " But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house." (AV); Luke 9:43, " And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples," (AV); John 17:2, " As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him." (AV); And Romans 1:4, " And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:" (AV).
Jesus (Yeshua) used his Father's (YHWH's) Holy Spirit to give power to his Apostles:
Matthew 10:1 " And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease." (AV); Mark 6:7, " And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;" (AV); Luke 9:1, " Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases." (AV); Luke 10:19, " Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (AV); Acts 3:12, " And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?" (AV); Acts 4:33, " And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all." (AV); Acts 6:8, " And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people." (AV) [The one who Saul played a part in his murder before he became Paul]; Romans 15:19, " Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." (AV)
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 558A]
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. Ephesians 4:17 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And 1 Peter 4:3, [AV] “For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:” shows we should give up our wrong ways. Yes, many of those doing what Almighty God (YHWH) does not want knew who He is , but as stated at Romans 1:21, [AV] “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Yes, all need to per Acts 26:18, [AV] “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” For those not wanting to be obedient to him, He per Romans 1:28, [AV] “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” So we should per Isaiah 56:11 - 12, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.”
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Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard Romans 9:5 that you clearly do not comprehend
You said,
<<<" Romans 9:5 niv
"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."
Right now it is Christ who is God over all creation. Just as the Deity of Christ denied himself of his own power in Jesus before the Cross. Now, the Father is backing off his power over all creation, and has assigned all authority of Deity over creation to Christ Jesus! God is right now God over all creation through Christ!">>>.
You missed it on this one:
Romans 9:5, "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen." [Authorized King James Bible; AV]
To fully understand this scripture we must look at how other Bible translations render it and what Koine Greek experts on translation have to say about it. Let's first look at how several other Bible translations render it:
Romans 9:5 "Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen." (New International Version; NIV)
Romans 9:5 "Whose are the fathers and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen." (Romans 9:5 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible)
And now what several Koine Greek experts had to say with respect to Romans 9:5, it is as I said, "I see this as merely a scriptural pericope of two parts, the first being who are the fathers being discussed and the second part being a blessing of Almighty God for ever and ever. This means that the fathers here being spoken of are propably as brought out by John Gill, writer of the 'The New John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible,' said, "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; for, according to the F1 Jewish writers, ``they call none in Israel (twba) , "fathers", but three, and they are Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and they call none "mothers" but four, and they are, Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, and Leah:''; whereas the reflective statement, "God blessed for ever. Amen" is the standard as John Gill stated, "The apostle alludes to that well known periphrastic name of God so much used by the Jews, (awh Kwrb vwdqh) , "the holy, blessed God"; to which, by way of assent and confirmation, the apostle puts his Amen." Is a way of showing reverence to Almighty God (YHWH) much used by the Jews and the Amen on its end simply means that all who say it are in agreement as shown by the meaning of the ancient Hebrew word that has been simply transliterated into most languages per Strong as follows: "at the end-so it is, so be it, may it be fulfilled. It was a custom, which passed over from the synagogues to the Christian assemblies, that when he who had read or discoursed, had offered up solemn prayer to God, the others responded Amen, and thus made the substance of what was uttered their own. [John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible]
The word "amen" is a most remarkable word. It was transliterated directly from the Hebrew into the Greek of the New Testament, then into Latin and into English and many other languages, so that it is practically a universal word. It has been called the best known word in human speech. The word is directly related-in fact, almost identical-to the Hebrew word for "believe" (amam), or faithful. Thus, it came to mean "sure" or "truly", an expression of absolute trust and confidence. (HMM)"
Now the one other part of this scripture, "concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all," this relates to Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) being given responsibility and power for a time over all things in heaven and on earth except his Father (YHWH) by his father as shown by 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, "But as it is, Christ has risen from the dead, the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by a man come death, by a man also comes resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made to live. 23 But each in his own turn, Christ as first-fruits, then they who are Christ's, who have believed, at his coming. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when he does away with all sovereignty, authority and power. 25 For he must reign, until 'he has put all his enemies under his feet.' 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed will be death, for 'he has put all things under his feet.' But when he says 27 all things are subject to him, undoubtedly he is excepted who has subjected all things to him. 28 And when all things are made subject to him, then the Son himself will also be made subject to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible). Now let's look at some of the Bible scriptures impinging on this:
This is especially significant as the term "God" appears in the book of Romans 154 times including Romans 9:5, and the other 153 times so how could/should even the most ardent among those believing the error of coequality between God (YHWH) and the Son, Jesus (Yeshua), the Trinitarians will agree that Paul meant the Father (YHWH) when he said God. Now realistically how would a Trinitarian isolate Romans 9:5, this one Scripture, and switch the meaning of the term from the Father to the Son, even when a similar expression in the same epistle is applied to the Father is beyond understanding!
This fact is made clear by the Bible showing that the God of Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) is his Father, Almighty God, at John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." (AV); And at, 1 Peter 1:3,
" Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead," (AV); And at, Mark 15:34, " And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (AV).
It is reaffirmed by the following scriptures that clearly show His Father (YHWH) gave him power to judge, heal, and remove sin by use of his Father's Holy Spirit:
Acts 10:38, " How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." (AV); Revelation 5:13, " And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." (AV); Matthew 9:6, " But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house." (AV); Mark 2:10, " But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)" (AV); Mark 3:15,
" And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:" (AV); Luke 4:36, " And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out." (AV); Luke 5:17, " And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them." (AV); Luke 5:24, " But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house." (AV); Luke 9:43, " And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples," (AV); John 17:2, " As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him." (AV); And Romans 1:4, " And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:" (AV).
Jesus (Yeshua) used his Father's (YHWH's) Holy Spirit to give power to his Apostles:
Matthew 10:1 " And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease." (AV); Mark 6:7, " And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;" (AV); Luke 9:1, " Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases." (AV); Luke 10:19, " Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (AV); Acts 3:12, " And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?" (AV); Acts 4:33, " And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all." (AV); Acts 6:8, " And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people." (AV) [The one who Saul played a part in his murder before he became Paul]; Romans 15:19, " Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." (AV)
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 559A]
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4:2 – 3, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, we must be moderate in all we do, and always be seeking to do the will of Almighty God (YHWH) at all times as shown by Philippians 4:4 – 9, [AV] “Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. 5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. 6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - FIFTH IN A SERIES:
Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard Philippians 2:6-8 that you clearly do not comprehend
So as Titus 2:1 said, "But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:" (AV), and reject false doctrine and teachings of men."
SECOND, Your comment,
You missed it on this one. Let's look at 1 Corinthians 15:23-25 in context; to wit, 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 and get the real message and understanding of this scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 says, "But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all." (NIV).
Now let's get a correct understanding of 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 in context. To do so we will first consider a scripture in the Old Testament as follows, Nehemiah 9:6, "Thou Art Jehovah, even thou alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all things that are thereon, the seas and all that is in them, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee. (American standard Version)
This scripture deals with how Almighty God (YHWH) made heaven and the earth. To start off, he first made a master worker who was the first born or first of preeminence, the Son of God, whom we know as Jesus (Yeshua), and used him as his master worker or agent in the creation of all else, see Colossians 1:15-16, "who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him and unto him;" (ASV); and used this master worker or agent in the creation of all else, see , Colossians 1:17-18, "and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell;" (ASV). This is in keeping with the Jewish Law of Agencies and is basically as follows, "Jesus (Yeshua) was God's (YHWH's) appointed agent in accordance with the 'Biblical law of agency' described as, "Scripture mentions something being done by Person A, whilst another mentions it being done by Person B. This is best understood when we grasp the Schaliach Principle, or the Jewish Law of Agency, which is expressed in the dictum, "A person's agent is regarded as the person himself." Therefore any act committed by a duly appointed agent is regarded as having been committed by the principle." (The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, R.J.Z. Werblowski and Geoffrey Wigoder).
Now let's see who the Bible says is above all else, i.e., the supreme one, at Isaiah 37:16, "And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say to your master, Thus saith Jehovah, Be not afraid of the words that thou hast heard, where with the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me." (ASV); And the corresponding testimony at Revelation 14:7, "and he saith with a great voice, Fear God, and give him glory; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of water." (ASV); Now he will NOT be doing the judgment personally, but again using his only begotten son, Jesus (Yeshua) as his appointed agent to do this as recorded at 1 Corinthians 15:22-28, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (AV), testifies that God (YHWH) had given his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) over all except himself when the scripture says "it is manifest that he is excepted."
We note that at Jesus (Yeshua) here is foretold as carrying out God's (Yeshua's) assignment to him in relation to judgment and the end of the world or system, and has given Him power over all as his agent, except over Himself as recorded at 1 Corinthians 15:27 recorded above. Also, 1 Corinthians 15:28 shows that after Jesus (Yeshua) has subdued or subjected all, He will, "then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." This is very important to know as it shows, first, that Jesus (Yeshua), the Son of God, is a separate or distinct being or individual from his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), and second, he is subordinate to him as a superior one and is His agent for accomplishing all tasks related to the earth at the present time; hence, they are NOT CO-EQUAL as some misguided ones try to claim to support their false doctrine or myth of them being one-and-the-same and/or simply different manifestations of the same being. Even Jesus' (Yeshua's) title makes this clear, the Son of God, in over 40 places in the scriptures, and never once God the Son as would be required if they were one-and-the-same.
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 559A]
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4:2 – 3, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, we must be moderate in all we do, and always be seeking to do the will of Almighty God (YHWH) at all times as shown by Philippians 4:4 – 9, [AV] “Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. 5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. 6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - FIFTH IN A SERIES:
Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard Philippians 2:6-8 that you clearly do not comprehend
So as Titus 2:1 said, "But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:" (AV), and reject false doctrine and teachings of men."
SECOND, Your comment,
1 Corinthians 15:23-25 (New International Version)
"But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet."
Christ is right now being what Lucifer craved and lusted for. Christ Jesus has been ordained by the Father to be the Most High over all creation!
You missed it on this one. Let's look at 1 Corinthians 15:23-25 in context; to wit, 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 and get the real message and understanding of this scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 says, "But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all." (NIV).
Now let's get a correct understanding of 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 in context. To do so we will first consider a scripture in the Old Testament as follows, Nehemiah 9:6, "Thou Art Jehovah, even thou alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all things that are thereon, the seas and all that is in them, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee. (American standard Version)
This scripture deals with how Almighty God (YHWH) made heaven and the earth. To start off, he first made a master worker who was the first born or first of preeminence, the Son of God, whom we know as Jesus (Yeshua), and used him as his master worker or agent in the creation of all else, see Colossians 1:15-16, "who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him and unto him;" (ASV); and used this master worker or agent in the creation of all else, see , Colossians 1:17-18, "and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell;" (ASV). This is in keeping with the Jewish Law of Agencies and is basically as follows, "Jesus (Yeshua) was God's (YHWH's) appointed agent in accordance with the 'Biblical law of agency' described as, "Scripture mentions something being done by Person A, whilst another mentions it being done by Person B. This is best understood when we grasp the Schaliach Principle, or the Jewish Law of Agency, which is expressed in the dictum, "A person's agent is regarded as the person himself." Therefore any act committed by a duly appointed agent is regarded as having been committed by the principle." (The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, R.J.Z. Werblowski and Geoffrey Wigoder).
Now let's see who the Bible says is above all else, i.e., the supreme one, at Isaiah 37:16, "And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say to your master, Thus saith Jehovah, Be not afraid of the words that thou hast heard, where with the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me." (ASV); And the corresponding testimony at Revelation 14:7, "and he saith with a great voice, Fear God, and give him glory; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of water." (ASV); Now he will NOT be doing the judgment personally, but again using his only begotten son, Jesus (Yeshua) as his appointed agent to do this as recorded at 1 Corinthians 15:22-28, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (AV), testifies that God (YHWH) had given his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) over all except himself when the scripture says "it is manifest that he is excepted."
We note that at Jesus (Yeshua) here is foretold as carrying out God's (Yeshua's) assignment to him in relation to judgment and the end of the world or system, and has given Him power over all as his agent, except over Himself as recorded at 1 Corinthians 15:27 recorded above. Also, 1 Corinthians 15:28 shows that after Jesus (Yeshua) has subdued or subjected all, He will, "then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." This is very important to know as it shows, first, that Jesus (Yeshua), the Son of God, is a separate or distinct being or individual from his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), and second, he is subordinate to him as a superior one and is His agent for accomplishing all tasks related to the earth at the present time; hence, they are NOT CO-EQUAL as some misguided ones try to claim to support their false doctrine or myth of them being one-and-the-same and/or simply different manifestations of the same being. Even Jesus' (Yeshua's) title makes this clear, the Son of God, in over 40 places in the scriptures, and never once God the Son as would be required if they were one-and-the-same.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - SIXTH IN A SERIES:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 560A]
And Absalom rose up early, and stood beside the way of the gate: and it was so, that when any man that had a controversy came to the king for judgment, then Absalom called unto him, and said, Of what city art thou? And he said, Thy servant is of one of the tribes of Israel. 3 And Absalom said unto him, See, thy matters are good and right; but there is no man deputed of the king to hear thee. 4 Absalom said moreover, Oh that I were made judge in the land, that every man which hath any suit or cause might come unto me, and I would do him justice! 5 And it was so, that when any man came nigh to him to do him obeisance, he put forth his hand, and took him, and kissed him. 6 And on this manner did Absalom to all Israel that came to the king for judgment: so Absalom stole the hearts of the men of Israel. 2 Samuel 15:2 – 6, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Here we have an adverse situation where Absalom, a son of King David rebelled against his father as he wanted to be king. And 2 Samuel 18:2 – 6, [AV] deals with David’s preparing to put down his son’s rebellion, “And David sent forth a third part of the people under the hand of Joab, and a third part under the hand of Abishai the son of Zeruiah, Joab’s brother, and a third part under the hand of Ittai the Gittite. And the king said unto the people, I will surely go forth with you myself also. 3 But the people answered, Thou shalt not go forth: for if we flee away, they will not care for us; neither if half of us die, will they care for us: but now thou art worth ten thousand of us: therefore now it is better that thou succour us out of the city. 4 And the king said unto them, What seemeth you best I will do. And the king stood by the gate side, and all the people came out by hundreds and by thousands. 5 And the king commanded Joab and Abishai and Ittai, saying, Deal gently for my sake with the young man, even with Absalom. And all the people heard when the king gave all the captains charge concerning Absalom.” This shows we should seek to live peacefully and not be seeking vain glory as shown by Phillipians 2:3, [AV] “Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - SIXTH IN A SERIES:
Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard John 1:18 that you clearly do not comprehend,
You said,
<<<" John 1:18 niv
"No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known."
Jesus is doing all the work over all creation in who and what he is. God over all creation. He is making God known to man, because he is both man, and God.">>>.
You missed it on this one. Let's look at an explanation with regard John 1:18, but first how it is rendered in another Bible, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (American Standard Version, ASV)
Now this scripture seem straight forward and it is, but some translations did a poor job of translating it. Let's look at how the New International Version (NIV) translates this, "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.' Would appear to show Jesus (Yeshua) as the One and Only, but this is just an error in translation in the NIV as shown by both the Authorized King James (AV) which renders it, ""No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." And the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible renders it, "No one has at any time seen God. The only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has revealed him." Now some may ask, how do you determine for sure which way of translating is correct. You do this quite simply by investigation the scripture from the Old Testament actually being quoted here by the Apostle John for the first part of this scripture which is Exodus 33:20, "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); And compare with similar scriptures in the New Testament such as John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." (AV). Then you check the Old Testament scripture from which the Apostle John took the second part, Proverbs 8:30, where Jesus (Yeshua) while in heaven was speaking, "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him; and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him," (AV). And cross reference this in the New Testament to John 13:23, "Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." (AV).
Now of course, people have seen Jesus (Yeshua). The Apostle John, who wrote John 1:18, saw Jesus. He even said four verses earlier that Jesus (God according to Trinitarians) had become flesh, John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Yet no one has seen God. If John were trying to say in John 1:1 that Jesus (Yeshua) was God (YHWH) and then a few verses later say no one has seen God (YHWH), would he not need to put some type of qualifying statement explaining how this can be? Or are we to assume his readers had a firm grasp of the Duality or Trinity and needed no explanation of this paradox? While some Bibles say "only-begotten son" the oldest manuscripts say "only-begotten god". Most Bible do not want to translate it literally that way since this would imply Jesus (Yeshua) was made a god by God (YHWH). So the New International Version (NIV) reads as I quoted above "God the One and Only". However, the footnote to the NIV reads "or the Only-Begotten". It is proper that the NIV placed that footnote in its Bible translation because we are inclined to ask, "the One and Only what?" In what way is the Son the 'One and Only God' that the Father (YHWH)is not? John said that Jesus (Yeshua) was with God (YHWH) and yet was a god and Jesus (Yeshua) was the only begotten son of God (YHWH), the context supports a literal translation of John 1:18. Jesus (Yeshua) was the "only-begotten god". That is, God Almighty created Jesus and put him in the position of a god or mighty spirit person whom He used to create the rest of the universe.
While it is true that angels and men can be referred to as "gods", they were not begotten directly by Almighty God.
Interestingly the NIV says, John 6:27, "Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval." (NIV). It is obvious that there are two individuals here: the Son of Man (Yeshua) and God the Father (YHWH). Two separate and distinct persons. Also notice that the Father (YHWH) places his "seal of approval" on the Son. But nowhere in the Bible is there a Scripture where the Son, Jesus (Yeshua) places approval on the Father (YHWH). This shows or indicates that the Father is in the superior position and the Son is in the inferior position, i.e., they are NOT COEQUAL.
The NIV reaffirms this fact, they are NOT COEQUAL at 1 Peter 1:1-2, "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance." (NIV). Once more we see two separate and distinct beings here: God the Father (YHWH) and Jesus (Yeshua) Christ.
Now some will say that Jesus (Yeshua) and His Father (YHWH) are one-and-the-same based on the usual out of context rendering of John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Well, try to keep the mental context of who Jesus was to the people who lived and studied about him when the Bible text was written. Apart from this verse, there is no indicator that anyone of his genuine (true) followers thought that Jesus (Yeshua)was God (YHWH). This is made clear by John 1:2, which shows, "The same was in the beginning with God." (AV); Now one can not be with someone and be that person also; And John 1:10, "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." (AV); Last consider John 1:14, previously quoted, and it is quite clear that they are NOT the same individual. But two distinct individuals. Note, some Bibles correctly render this as either as "the Word was a god," or "the Word was Divine." Both of these are in harmony with the remaining scriptures in John the first chapter.
The fact is that no Apostle nor any other writer of the Bible ever came out and stated that "there is One God: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost". No example of the thousands of occurrences of YHWH and God in the original manuscripts can be shown to mean 'God in three Persons' as some falsely claim. In fact neither the word Duality nor Trinity appear nowhere in the scriptures. So be ye not mislead into believing the doctrines of men, but remember John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (AV).
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 560A]
And Absalom rose up early, and stood beside the way of the gate: and it was so, that when any man that had a controversy came to the king for judgment, then Absalom called unto him, and said, Of what city art thou? And he said, Thy servant is of one of the tribes of Israel. 3 And Absalom said unto him, See, thy matters are good and right; but there is no man deputed of the king to hear thee. 4 Absalom said moreover, Oh that I were made judge in the land, that every man which hath any suit or cause might come unto me, and I would do him justice! 5 And it was so, that when any man came nigh to him to do him obeisance, he put forth his hand, and took him, and kissed him. 6 And on this manner did Absalom to all Israel that came to the king for judgment: so Absalom stole the hearts of the men of Israel. 2 Samuel 15:2 – 6, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Here we have an adverse situation where Absalom, a son of King David rebelled against his father as he wanted to be king. And 2 Samuel 18:2 – 6, [AV] deals with David’s preparing to put down his son’s rebellion, “And David sent forth a third part of the people under the hand of Joab, and a third part under the hand of Abishai the son of Zeruiah, Joab’s brother, and a third part under the hand of Ittai the Gittite. And the king said unto the people, I will surely go forth with you myself also. 3 But the people answered, Thou shalt not go forth: for if we flee away, they will not care for us; neither if half of us die, will they care for us: but now thou art worth ten thousand of us: therefore now it is better that thou succour us out of the city. 4 And the king said unto them, What seemeth you best I will do. And the king stood by the gate side, and all the people came out by hundreds and by thousands. 5 And the king commanded Joab and Abishai and Ittai, saying, Deal gently for my sake with the young man, even with Absalom. And all the people heard when the king gave all the captains charge concerning Absalom.” This shows we should seek to live peacefully and not be seeking vain glory as shown by Phillipians 2:3, [AV] “Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.”
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[2] ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH A TRINITARIAN - SIXTH IN A SERIES:
Yes, there is a lot to be learned and I will attempt to assist you in the learning process with regard John 1:18 that you clearly do not comprehend,
You said,
<<<" John 1:18 niv
"No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known."
Jesus is doing all the work over all creation in who and what he is. God over all creation. He is making God known to man, because he is both man, and God.">>>.
You missed it on this one. Let's look at an explanation with regard John 1:18, but first how it is rendered in another Bible, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (American Standard Version, ASV)
Now this scripture seem straight forward and it is, but some translations did a poor job of translating it. Let's look at how the New International Version (NIV) translates this, "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.' Would appear to show Jesus (Yeshua) as the One and Only, but this is just an error in translation in the NIV as shown by both the Authorized King James (AV) which renders it, ""No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." And the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible renders it, "No one has at any time seen God. The only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has revealed him." Now some may ask, how do you determine for sure which way of translating is correct. You do this quite simply by investigation the scripture from the Old Testament actually being quoted here by the Apostle John for the first part of this scripture which is Exodus 33:20, "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); And compare with similar scriptures in the New Testament such as John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." (AV). Then you check the Old Testament scripture from which the Apostle John took the second part, Proverbs 8:30, where Jesus (Yeshua) while in heaven was speaking, "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him; and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him," (AV). And cross reference this in the New Testament to John 13:23, "Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." (AV).
Now of course, people have seen Jesus (Yeshua). The Apostle John, who wrote John 1:18, saw Jesus. He even said four verses earlier that Jesus (God according to Trinitarians) had become flesh, John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Yet no one has seen God. If John were trying to say in John 1:1 that Jesus (Yeshua) was God (YHWH) and then a few verses later say no one has seen God (YHWH), would he not need to put some type of qualifying statement explaining how this can be? Or are we to assume his readers had a firm grasp of the Duality or Trinity and needed no explanation of this paradox? While some Bibles say "only-begotten son" the oldest manuscripts say "only-begotten god". Most Bible do not want to translate it literally that way since this would imply Jesus (Yeshua) was made a god by God (YHWH). So the New International Version (NIV) reads as I quoted above "God the One and Only". However, the footnote to the NIV reads "or the Only-Begotten". It is proper that the NIV placed that footnote in its Bible translation because we are inclined to ask, "the One and Only what?" In what way is the Son the 'One and Only God' that the Father (YHWH)is not? John said that Jesus (Yeshua) was with God (YHWH) and yet was a god and Jesus (Yeshua) was the only begotten son of God (YHWH), the context supports a literal translation of John 1:18. Jesus (Yeshua) was the "only-begotten god". That is, God Almighty created Jesus and put him in the position of a god or mighty spirit person whom He used to create the rest of the universe.
While it is true that angels and men can be referred to as "gods", they were not begotten directly by Almighty God.
Interestingly the NIV says, John 6:27, "Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval." (NIV). It is obvious that there are two individuals here: the Son of Man (Yeshua) and God the Father (YHWH). Two separate and distinct persons. Also notice that the Father (YHWH) places his "seal of approval" on the Son. But nowhere in the Bible is there a Scripture where the Son, Jesus (Yeshua) places approval on the Father (YHWH). This shows or indicates that the Father is in the superior position and the Son is in the inferior position, i.e., they are NOT COEQUAL.
The NIV reaffirms this fact, they are NOT COEQUAL at 1 Peter 1:1-2, "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance." (NIV). Once more we see two separate and distinct beings here: God the Father (YHWH) and Jesus (Yeshua) Christ.
Now some will say that Jesus (Yeshua) and His Father (YHWH) are one-and-the-same based on the usual out of context rendering of John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Well, try to keep the mental context of who Jesus was to the people who lived and studied about him when the Bible text was written. Apart from this verse, there is no indicator that anyone of his genuine (true) followers thought that Jesus (Yeshua)was God (YHWH). This is made clear by John 1:2, which shows, "The same was in the beginning with God." (AV); Now one can not be with someone and be that person also; And John 1:10, "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." (AV); Last consider John 1:14, previously quoted, and it is quite clear that they are NOT the same individual. But two distinct individuals. Note, some Bibles correctly render this as either as "the Word was a god," or "the Word was Divine." Both of these are in harmony with the remaining scriptures in John the first chapter.
The fact is that no Apostle nor any other writer of the Bible ever came out and stated that "there is One God: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost". No example of the thousands of occurrences of YHWH and God in the original manuscripts can be shown to mean 'God in three Persons' as some falsely claim. In fact neither the word Duality nor Trinity appear nowhere in the scriptures. So be ye not mislead into believing the doctrines of men, but remember John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (AV).
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 561A]
For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. 7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. 1 Kings 11:4 – 8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This departing from the way of righteousness by King Solomon won Almighty God’S (YHWH’S) displeasure as recorded at 1 Kings 11:9 – 10, [AV] “And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, 10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.” And Ecclesiastes 4:13, [AV] states, “Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.” To this end, Proverbs 6:27, [AV] states, “Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia, Garcinia is a plant genus of the family Clusiaceae native to Asia, Australia, tropical and southern Africa, and Polynesia. The number of species is highly disputed, with various sources recognizing between 50 and about 300 taxa as specifically valid. Commonly, the plants in this genus are called saptrees, mangosteens (which may also refer specifically to the purple mangosteen, G. mangostana), garcinias or, ambiguously, "monkey fruit".
Garcinia species are evergreen trees and shrubs, dioecious and in several cases apomictic. Many species are threatened due to habitat destruction, and at least G. cadelliana from South Andaman Island is almost or even completely extinct already.[1]
The fruit has been touted by a noted television personality as a "miracle" weight loss food. However, in reality this claim is highly debated.
The fruit are a food source for several animals, such as the archduke butterflies (Lexias) of tropical eastern Asia which relish the sap of overripe mangosteens.
Many species of Garcinia have fruit with edible arils, but most are eaten locally; some species' fruits are highly esteemed in one region, but unknown just a few hundred kilometres away. The best-known species is the purple mangosteen (G. mangostana), which is now cultivated throughout Southeast Asia and other tropical countries, having become established in the late 20th century. Less well-known, but still of international importance, are kandis (G. forbesii) with small round red fruits with subacid taste and melting flesh, the lemon drop mangosteen (G. intermedia) with yellow fruit that look like a wrinkled lemon, and the thin-skinned orange button mangosteen (G. prainiana).
In addition, mangosteen rind (exocarp) extract is used as a spice. It figures prominently in Kodava culture, and G. multiflora is used to flavour and colour the famous bún riêu soup of Vietnam, where this plant is known as h?t ?i?u màu. Gambooge (G. gummi-gutta) yields a spice widely used in South Asia, in particular in Kerala, where it is called kodumpulli.
Most species in Garcinia are known for their gum resin, brownish-yellow from xanthonoids such as mangostin, and used as purgative or cathartic, but most frequently – at least in former times – as a pigment. The colour term "gamboge" references the gambooge, whose obsolete scientific name is G. cambogia.
Hydroxycitric acid, a toxic appetite suppressant found in mangosteen rind
Extracts of the exocarp of certain species – typically gambooge, but also purple mangosteen – are often contained in appetite suppressants such as Hydroxycut, Leptoprin or XanGo. But their effectiveness at normal consumption levels is unproven, while at least one case of severe acidosis caused by long-term consumption of such products has been documented.[2] Furthermore, they may contain significant amounts of hydroxycitric acid, which is somewhat toxic and might even destroy the testicles after prolonged use.[3] Fruit extracts from bitter kola (G. kola) have been claimed to be effective at stopping Ebola virus replication in laboratory tests[citation needed]; its seeds are used in folk medicine. G. mannii is popular as a chew stick in western Africa,[4] freshening the breath and cleaning the teeth.
G. subelliptica, called fukugi in Japanese, is the floral emblem of Mobuto and Tarama on Okinawa. The Malaysian town of Beruas – often spelled "Bruas" – derives its name from the seashore mangosteen (G. hombroniana), known locally as pokok bruas.
Selected species
* Garcinia heterandra
* Garcinia holttumii
* Garcinia hombroniana – seashore mangosteen, pokok bruas (Malay)
* Garcinia humilis – achachairú, achacha
* Garcinia imberti
* Garcinia indica – wild mangosteen, amsol, bhinda, biran, katambi, kokum, panarpuli, kodam-puli, ratamba, etc.
* Garcinia intermedia – lemon drop mangosteen, charichuelo
* Garcinia kola – bitter kola
* Garcinia linii
* Garcinia livingstonei – African mangosteen, Lowveld mangosteen, Livingstone's garcinia, imbe
* Garcinia madruno (Humb. & Bonpl. ex Kunth) Hammel – lemon drop mangosteen, ungüento maría, tierra amarillo, madroño
* Garcinia maingayi
* Garcinia mannii
* Garcinia mangostana – purple mangosteen
* Garcinia mestonii
* Garcinia minutiflora
* Garcinia monantha
* Garcinia montana
* Garcinia morella – batuan (Hiligaynon), ireevalsinni (Tamil)
* Garcinia multiflora Champ. – h?t ?i?u màu (Vietnamese)
* Garcinia murtonii
* Garcinia oliveri
* Garcinia opaca
* Garcinia paucinervis
* Garcinia portoricensis
* Garcinia prainiana – button mangosteen, cherapu
* Garcinia pseudoguttifera Seem. – mo?onia (Tongan)
* Garcinia pyrifera
* Garcinia quaesita
* Garcinia rubro-echinata
* Garcinia schomburgkiana
* Garcinia scortechinii
* Garcinia semseii
* Garcinia sessilis Seem. – heilala (Tongan), seilala (Samoan)
* Garcinia staudtii
* Garcinia subelliptica Merr. – fukugi (Japanese)
* Garcinia thwaitesii
* Garcinia tinctoria
* Garcinia travancorica
* Garcinia uniflora
* Garcinia vitiensis
* Garcinia warrenii F.Muell.
* Garcinia wightii
* Garcinia xanthochymus – asam kandis (Indonesian)
* Garcinia zeylanica
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
To view pictures of many species of Garcinia fruit and trees, go to http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Garcinia+Fruit&qpvt=Garcinia+Fruit&FORM=IGRE
The main driving force of water uptake and transport into a plant is transpiration of water from leaves through specialized openings called stomata. Heat from the sun causes the water to evaporate, setting this ‘water chain’ in motion. The evaporation creates a negative water vapor pressure. Water is pulled into the leaf to replace the water that has transpired from the leaf. This pulling of water, or tension, occurs in the xylem of the leaf. Since the xylem is a continuous water column that extends from the leaf to the roots, this negative water pressure extends into the roots and results in water uptake from the soil. [adapted from: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=follow-up-how-do-trees-ca ]
Clearly this clever water transport system shows a superior intelligence of the Creator (YHWH).
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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 561A]
For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. 7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. 1 Kings 11:4 – 8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This departing from the way of righteousness by King Solomon won Almighty God’S (YHWH’S) displeasure as recorded at 1 Kings 11:9 – 10, [AV] “And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, 10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.” And Ecclesiastes 4:13, [AV] states, “Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.” To this end, Proverbs 6:27, [AV] states, “Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia, Garcinia is a plant genus of the family Clusiaceae native to Asia, Australia, tropical and southern Africa, and Polynesia. The number of species is highly disputed, with various sources recognizing between 50 and about 300 taxa as specifically valid. Commonly, the plants in this genus are called saptrees, mangosteens (which may also refer specifically to the purple mangosteen, G. mangostana), garcinias or, ambiguously, "monkey fruit".
Garcinia species are evergreen trees and shrubs, dioecious and in several cases apomictic. Many species are threatened due to habitat destruction, and at least G. cadelliana from South Andaman Island is almost or even completely extinct already.[1]
The fruit has been touted by a noted television personality as a "miracle" weight loss food. However, in reality this claim is highly debated.
The fruit are a food source for several animals, such as the archduke butterflies (Lexias) of tropical eastern Asia which relish the sap of overripe mangosteens.
Many species of Garcinia have fruit with edible arils, but most are eaten locally; some species' fruits are highly esteemed in one region, but unknown just a few hundred kilometres away. The best-known species is the purple mangosteen (G. mangostana), which is now cultivated throughout Southeast Asia and other tropical countries, having become established in the late 20th century. Less well-known, but still of international importance, are kandis (G. forbesii) with small round red fruits with subacid taste and melting flesh, the lemon drop mangosteen (G. intermedia) with yellow fruit that look like a wrinkled lemon, and the thin-skinned orange button mangosteen (G. prainiana).
In addition, mangosteen rind (exocarp) extract is used as a spice. It figures prominently in Kodava culture, and G. multiflora is used to flavour and colour the famous bún riêu soup of Vietnam, where this plant is known as h?t ?i?u màu. Gambooge (G. gummi-gutta) yields a spice widely used in South Asia, in particular in Kerala, where it is called kodumpulli.
Most species in Garcinia are known for their gum resin, brownish-yellow from xanthonoids such as mangostin, and used as purgative or cathartic, but most frequently – at least in former times – as a pigment. The colour term "gamboge" references the gambooge, whose obsolete scientific name is G. cambogia.
Hydroxycitric acid, a toxic appetite suppressant found in mangosteen rind
Extracts of the exocarp of certain species – typically gambooge, but also purple mangosteen – are often contained in appetite suppressants such as Hydroxycut, Leptoprin or XanGo. But their effectiveness at normal consumption levels is unproven, while at least one case of severe acidosis caused by long-term consumption of such products has been documented.[2] Furthermore, they may contain significant amounts of hydroxycitric acid, which is somewhat toxic and might even destroy the testicles after prolonged use.[3] Fruit extracts from bitter kola (G. kola) have been claimed to be effective at stopping Ebola virus replication in laboratory tests[citation needed]; its seeds are used in folk medicine. G. mannii is popular as a chew stick in western Africa,[4] freshening the breath and cleaning the teeth.
G. subelliptica, called fukugi in Japanese, is the floral emblem of Mobuto and Tarama on Okinawa. The Malaysian town of Beruas – often spelled "Bruas" – derives its name from the seashore mangosteen (G. hombroniana), known locally as pokok bruas.
Selected species
* Garcinia heterandra
* Garcinia holttumii
* Garcinia hombroniana – seashore mangosteen, pokok bruas (Malay)
* Garcinia humilis – achachairú, achacha
* Garcinia imberti
* Garcinia indica – wild mangosteen, amsol, bhinda, biran, katambi, kokum, panarpuli, kodam-puli, ratamba, etc.
* Garcinia intermedia – lemon drop mangosteen, charichuelo
* Garcinia kola – bitter kola
* Garcinia linii
* Garcinia livingstonei – African mangosteen, Lowveld mangosteen, Livingstone's garcinia, imbe
* Garcinia madruno (Humb. & Bonpl. ex Kunth) Hammel – lemon drop mangosteen, ungüento maría, tierra amarillo, madroño
* Garcinia maingayi
* Garcinia mannii
* Garcinia mangostana – purple mangosteen
* Garcinia mestonii
* Garcinia minutiflora
* Garcinia monantha
* Garcinia montana
* Garcinia morella – batuan (Hiligaynon), ireevalsinni (Tamil)
* Garcinia multiflora Champ. – h?t ?i?u màu (Vietnamese)
* Garcinia murtonii
* Garcinia oliveri
* Garcinia opaca
* Garcinia paucinervis
* Garcinia portoricensis
* Garcinia prainiana – button mangosteen, cherapu
* Garcinia pseudoguttifera Seem. – mo?onia (Tongan)
* Garcinia pyrifera
* Garcinia quaesita
* Garcinia rubro-echinata
* Garcinia schomburgkiana
* Garcinia scortechinii
* Garcinia semseii
* Garcinia sessilis Seem. – heilala (Tongan), seilala (Samoan)
* Garcinia staudtii
* Garcinia subelliptica Merr. – fukugi (Japanese)
* Garcinia thwaitesii
* Garcinia tinctoria
* Garcinia travancorica
* Garcinia uniflora
* Garcinia vitiensis
* Garcinia warrenii F.Muell.
* Garcinia wightii
* Garcinia xanthochymus – asam kandis (Indonesian)
* Garcinia zeylanica
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
To view pictures of many species of Garcinia fruit and trees, go to http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Garcinia+Fruit&qpvt=Garcinia+Fruit&FORM=IGRE
The main driving force of water uptake and transport into a plant is transpiration of water from leaves through specialized openings called stomata. Heat from the sun causes the water to evaporate, setting this ‘water chain’ in motion. The evaporation creates a negative water vapor pressure. Water is pulled into the leaf to replace the water that has transpired from the leaf. This pulling of water, or tension, occurs in the xylem of the leaf. Since the xylem is a continuous water column that extends from the leaf to the roots, this negative water pressure extends into the roots and results in water uptake from the soil. [adapted from: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=follow-up-how-do-trees-ca ]
Clearly this clever water transport system shows a superior intelligence of the Creator (YHWH).
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