Re: Scripture of the Day

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] PART 4 OF EXPLANATION OF TERM HYPOSTATIC UNION [VOL 864A] OF 4 PARTS

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 864A]

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. James 4:8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Almighty God (YHWH) desires all to humble themselves and not be haughty, and this is testified to at James 4:6 – 7, [AV] “But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” As the Bible makes clear at James 4:11 – 12, [AV] “Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?”

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[2] PART 4 OF EXPLANATION OF TERM HYPOSTATIC UNION [VOL 864A] OF 4 PARTS

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NOTE: THIS DISCUSSION OF THE FALSE TEACHING OF THE HYPOSTATIC UNION IN FOUR PARTS IS ONLY FOR ADVANCED BIBLICAL STUDENTS THAT CAN APPRECIATE THE SHOWING OF HOW SOME SO CALLED RELIGIOUS LEADERS DUE TO THEIR FAILURE TO RECOGNIZE THE REAL TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE TWIST REALITY SO BADLY THAT IT NO LONGER REALLY PRESENTS BIBLICAL TRUTHS, BUT ONLY COMPLICATED AND TWISTED WRONG REASONING'S OF MEN. TO GO EVEN DEEPER IN THIS SUBJECT, GO TO,

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taken and disseminated by Augustine? Augustine is often portrayed as the most important fashioner of a self-certifying human rational self established face to face with God so as finally to exchange places with him. Is this Augustine taking up one possibility within the Neoplatonic turning of philosophy from substance to subjectivity? Is Neoplatonism, this vast syncretistic synthesis of antique philosophy, theology and religion, or better, are the Neoplatonisms as much at the origins of the modern self as they also contain alternatives to it? To begin answering some of these questions we must return to Hadot’s work.
The interpretation of the Parmenides of Plato had long been recognised as the very center of Neoplatonism. In common Neoplatonists made the first hypotheses within the dialogue’s dialectic of unity, being and plurality the primary hypostases, i.e. subsistences, of the spiritual, i.e. the substantial, world. However, the differences between the great teachers in this school resulted from how they related these primary realities. In general, starting with Plotinus, the Neoplatonists sharply differentiated the One non-being (as hypostasis, the One, the absolutely simple) from the One-being (as hypostasis, NOUS, mind). Putting it most directly, the commentary Hadot maintained to be by Porphyry unites them by finding a form of being which may belong to the highest, namely what he designates by the infinitive EINAI, in Latin, ESSE which Aquinas will call the highest and proper name of God. This "to be" which is without subject or predicate is distinguished from particular being. The "to be" is in the connection between the One-non being and the One-being. This connection requires also two states of intelligence and a movement between them. At stake here is what Plotinus himself declares to be the greatest of mysteries, how the One is productive, how thinking which is dual because it has being as its object comes forth from the absolutely simple. How does NOUS, the first emanation of the One, come forth from what has no object of its apprehension, not even itself?
Porphyry’s solution may be regarded as illuminating Plotinus or betraying him. Equally Porphyry may be regarded as making a form of Neoplatonism into a step in the systematic totalizing of ontology or as the founder of a tradition of the negative theology of being which stands against that. Certainly, his EINAI exists in the dynamic between negative and positive and the intellection for which it exists is not a conceptual grasp of a particular form. The character of Augustine’s treatment of being and subjectivity rouses the same questions.
Porphyrian Questions about Augustine and the Answer of Trouillard
Augustine’s interpretation of Exodus 3.14, "I am that I am", as meaning that God is IPSUM ESSE, is decisive for Latin theology and philosophy. It is equally decisive that this ESSE is the first moment in the circumcession of the triad, being, knowing and loving or, or to make it character as subjectivity more apparent, the triad of remembering, knowing and loving which is the essence of both God and the human. But the import and fate of these bindings is the pressing question. Has Augustine bound being to knowing so that it is no more than its object and is thus the subject of manipulating will? Or, alternatively, are both being and knowledge pulled away from any such reduction by being carried over to love? Or is our history the complementarity, confluence and conflict of these opposed alternatives?
Which ever may be the case about Augustine lui-même, Trouillard was conscious of the reductive possibilities within the Augustinian tradition. With his priestly colleagues Trouillard turned toward the post-Porphyrian Neoplatonism to which the criticism of Porphyry was determinative. His giving of being to the First was strongly opposed as indeed was his intellectualism. For Trouillard and the later Neoplatonists the reduction to ontology must be countered by a henology, a strongly negative theology and a restoration of what in religion raises us beyond what we can understand. In an important article, "How to avoid speaking: Denials," (in Languages of the Unsayable: The Play of Negativity in Literature and Literary Theory, eds. S. Budick and W. Iser [New York: Columbia University Press, 1989]) Derrida locates the "Platonic or Neoplatonic tradition", Augustine, Heidegger, Wittgenstein and the pseudo-Dionysius within this negative theology and non-philosophical religion and considers to what extent it attains its aims. Here and elsewhere, he and Jean-Luc Marion, the current head of Philosophy at the Sorbonne, who has embraced Denys to counter ontology, dispute this question.
[http://www.dal.ca/~claswww/Carleton.htm]

9 There is nothing more offensive to postmodern theological Augustinianism than the centering of being, knowledge and presence which Menn attributes here to what he deems a Platonic tradition.(18) However, it is my judgment, which I hope to substantiate in the last part of this paper, that Augustine's de Trinitate shows that what Menn asserts of Plotinus is even more true of Augustine. Further, what makes Augustine worse than Plotinus, (so to speak), is his modification of the Plotinian hypostatic spiritual trinity. This modification, to which he is moved by Christian doctrine and by Porphyry's modification of Plotinus, allows him to draw together self-knowledge and a positive knowledge of God in a way Plotinus cannot do.(19)
[http://www.mun.ca/animus/1998vol3/hankey3.htm][ 18. For Menn, "Augustine and Descartes are Platonists" along with Plotinus, ibid., 397. ][ 19. On the intermediation of Porphyry and the result in Augustine, see Werner Beierwaltes, "Cusanus and Eriugena," Dionysius, 13 (1989), 134, n. 64; idem, "Unity and Trinity in East and West," Eriugena: East and West. Papers of the Eighth International Colloquium of the Society for the Promotion of Eriugenian Studies, Chicago and Notre Dame, 18-20 October 1991, edited B. McGinn and W. Otten, Notre Dame Conferences in Medieval Studies v (Notre Dame, Indiana: University of Notre Dame Press, 1994), n. 10, pp. 212-214; 223-24; idem, "Unity and Trinity in Dionysius and Eriugena," Hermathena, 157 (1994), n. 10, pp. 7, 13-14; idem, Agostino e il neoplatonismo, (Milan: Vita e Pensiero, 1995).][ A Review Article devoted to Stephen Menn. Descartes and Augustine.
Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998]

Gnosticism is thinly disguised Pantheism. In the beginning was the Depth; the Fulness of Being; the Not-Being God; the First Father, the Monad, the Man; the First Source, the unknown God (Bythos pleroma, ouk on theos, propator, monas, anthropos, proarche, hagnostos theos), or by whatever other name it might be called. This undefined infinite Something, thought it might be addressed by the title of the Good God, was not a personal Being, but, like Tad of Brahma of the Hindus, the "Great Unknown" of modern thought. The Unknown God, however, was in the beginning pure spirituality; matter as yet was not. This source of all being causes to emanate (proballei) from itself a number of pure spirit forces. In the different systems these emanations are differently named, classified, and described, but the emanation theory itself is common too all forms of Gnosticism. In the Basilidian Gnosis they are called sonships (uiotetes), in Valentinianism they form antithetic pairs or "syzygies" (syzygoi); Depth and Silence produce Mind and Truth; these produce Reason and Life, these again Man and State (ekklesia). According to Marcus, they are numbers and sounds. These are the primary roots of the Æons. With bewildering fertility hierarchies of Æons are thus produced, sometimes to the number of thirty. These Æons belong to the purely ideal, noumenal, intelligible, or supersensible world; they are immaterial, they are hypostatic ideas. Together with the source from which they emanate they form the pleroma. The transition fromthe immaterial to the material, from the noumenal to the sensible, is brought about by a flaw, or a passion, or a sin, in one of the Æons. According to Basilides, it is a flaw in the last sonship; according to others it is the passion of the female Æon Sophia; according to others the sin ofthe Great Archon, or Æon-Creator, of the Universe. The ultimate end of all Gnosis is metanoia, or repentance, the undoing of the sin of material existence and the return to the Pleroma.
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But much the most important, not least because they approached the debate from different standpoints, were Cyril of Alexandria and Pope Leo the Great. Cyril had been the first to denounce Nestorius, and in a whole series of letters and dogmatic treatises he drove home his critique and expounded his own positive theory of hypostatic (substantive, or essential) union. He secured the condemnation of Nestorius at the Council of Ephesus (431), and his own letters were canonically approved at Chalcedon. A convinced adherent of the Alexandrian Word-flesh Christology, he deepened his understanding of the problem as the debate progressed; but his preferred expression for the unity of the Redeemer remained "one incarnate nature of the Word," which he mistakenly believed to derive from Athanasius. Leo provided the necessary balance to this with his famous Dogmatic Letter, also endorsed at Chalcedon, which affirmed the coexistence of two complete natures, united without confusion, in the one Person of the Incarnate Word, or Christ.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] THE RARE FRUITS AND VEGETABLES - Artocarpus rigidus

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 865A]

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Yes, there is no fear in perfect love regardless of your past wrongs as highlighted at Isaiah 44:22, [AV] “I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.” This, also applies to anyone who loves the Lord as shown at Isaiah 56:6, [AV] “Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;” But with respect those hating the Lord, Almighty God (YHWH), Isaiah 1:15, [AV] “And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.”

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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the, Artocarpus rigidus[3] is a tree species in the Moraceae that was described by Blume. A. rigidus is a wild species of the breadfruit/jackfruit genus (Artocarpus) and may be referred to as the 'monkey jack(fruit)';[4][5] its Vietnamese name is mít nài (sometimes da xóp).
This 20–25 m trees species can be found in Indochina and Malesia. The subspecies A. rigidus subsp. asperulus (Gagnep.) F.M.Jarrett is accepted; synonyms for the latter are: Artocarpus asperulus Gagnep. and A. calophyllus Kurz.[6]
References
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• "Artocarpus J. R. Forst. & G. Forst." Germplasm Resources Information Network. United States Department of Agriculture. 2009-01-16. Retrieved 2009-03-11.
• "The Plant list". Retrieved 2017-03-05.
• Blume, 1826 In: Bijdr. 482
• Roskov Y.; Kunze T.; Orrell T.; Abucay L.; Paglinawan L.; Culham A.; Bailly N.; Kirk P.; Bourgoin T.; Baillargeon G.; Decock W.; De Wever A.; Didžiulis V. (ed) (2014). "Species 2000 & ITIS Catalogue of Life: 2014 Annual Checklist". Species 2000: Reading, UK. Retrieved 26 May 2014.
• World Plants: Synonymic Checklists of the Vascular Plants of the World
• http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2654075 The Plant List ?[SOURCE - RETRIVED FROM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artocarpus_rigidus ON 3/17/2018]
Seeds for this tree can be obtained from Tradewind, and here is their catalog description, 4362 - Artocarpus rigidus - Monkey Jack
A very rarely offered Artocarpus, native to the Bornean rainforests. Bears softball-sized fruits with spiny-like, yellow-orange skin. Flesh is bright orange, edible, and generally lacking in the odor of the jackfruit. Medium to large sized tree up to 80 ft / 25 m. Likely need tropical, frost free conditions. Very rare. ?[SOURCE - RETRIVED FROM https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/42156 ON 3/18/2018]

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] MEANING OF JESUS’ NAME (YESHUA)

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 866A]

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. Ephesians 4:26 – 27, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Clearly we should put aside rage and anger as shown by Psalms 4:3 – 5, [AV] “But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him. 4 Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah. 5 Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.” And this is also stated in Leviticus 19:17 - 18, [AV] “Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.” These two scriptures clearly show we should NOT carry hate in our heart.”

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[2] MEANING OF JESUS’ NAME (YESHUA)

Son of God The special relationship of Jesus to God Mark 1:1 Son of Man The human identity of Jesus Matthew 8:20 Son of David
Jesus is descendant of King David Matthew 15:22 Word
Jesus revealed God John 1:1 Lamb of God
Jesus is the sacrifice for world’s sin John 1:29 Christ
The Greek for ‘Anointed One’ Matthew 16:16 Savior
The one who saves John 4:14 Rabbi/Teacher Jesus taught people about God John 1:38, Mark 5:35
Author of life One who gives life Acts 3:15 Alpha and Omega
The first and last letters of the Greek alphabets,
meaning that Jesus is the beginning and the end
Revelation 1:8
Lion of Judah A title of the Messiah Revelation 5:5 King of Kings/Lord of Lords
The ruler of all people Revelation 19:16 Bright Morning Star The one who gives light Revelation 22:16 Word of God Jesus is the voice of God Revelation 19:13 Holy and Righteous Attributes of Jesus Acts 3:14 Head of the Church The leader of all Christians Ephesians 5:23

Names found in the Old Testament

Title
Meaning/Significance of names
Bible reference

Immanuel
God with us
Isaiah 7:14
Prince of Peace
Jesus will bring everlasting peace
Isaiah 9:6
Wonderful Advisor
Jesus will always rule with honesty and justice
Isaiah 9:6
Mighty God
Jesus is supreme
Isaiah 9:6
Eternal Father
Jesus is eternal
Isaiah 9:6

Names found in the New Testament

Title
Meaning/Significance of names
Bible reference

Son of God
The special relationship of Jesus to God
Mark 1:1
Son of Man
The human identity of Jesus
Matthew 8:20
Son of David
Jesus is descendant of King David
Matthew 15:22
Word
Jesus revealed God
John 1:1
Lamb of God
Jesus is the sacrifice for world’s sin
John 1:29
Christ
The Greek for ‘Anointed One’
Matthew 16:16
Savior
The one who saves
John 4:14
Rabbi/Teacher
Jesus taught people about God
John 1:38, Mark 5:35
Author of life
One who gives life
Acts 3:15
Alpha and Omega
The first and last letters of the Greek alphabets,
meaning that Jesus is the beginning and the end
Revelation 1:8
Lion of Judah
A title of the Messiah
Revelation 5:5
King of Kings/Lord of Lords
The ruler of all people
Revelation 19:16
Bright Morning Star
The one who gives light
Revelation 22:16
Word of God
Jesus is the voice of God
Revelation 19:13
Holy and Righteous
Attributes of Jesus
Acts 3:14
Head of the Church
The leader of all Christians
Ephesians 5:23

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Jesus = God With Us

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Jesus = Savior; deliverer

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Jesus = help of Jehovah or savior

http://www.searchgodsword.org/dic/sbd/view.cgi?number=T2395 Smith's Bible Dictionary

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] REALITY WITH RESPECT JESUS [NOTE, HIS NAME IS TRANSLITERATED TWO WAYS – YESHUA AND YEHOSHUA]

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 867A]

But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, 17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. Matthew 11:16 – 17, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

This same theme is amplified at Luke 7:31 – 35, [AV] “And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like? 32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. 33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. 34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! 35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.” Yes, all this was foretold by Zechariah 8:4 – 8, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age. 5 And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof. 6 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. 7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; 8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.” Yes, after the culmination of the end times which is close at hand, Almighty God (YHWH) has promised paradise conditions and this is made clear at Revelation 21:3 – 4, [AV], “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away”

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[2] REALITY WITH RESPECT JESUS [NOTE, HIS NAME IS TRANSLITERATED TWO WAYS – YESHUA AND YEHOSHUA]

Let’s start out with a question; “Did the true God die for you”? Wait hold that answer in your mind, do not let it out of your mouth before you see the scriptures I am going to show you, then I’ll ask you to confess if the true God died for you.
Acts 2:32 This Yehoshua God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.
Acts 3:15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.
Acts 4:10 be it known to you all, and to all the people of Yisrael, that by the name of Yehoshua Moshiach of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well.
Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised Yehoshua whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.
Acts 10:40 but God raised him on the third day and made him manifest.
Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead.
Acts 13:37 but he whom God raised up saw no corruption.
Acts 25:19 but they had certain points of dispute with him about their own superstition and about one Yehoshua, who was dead, but whom Paul asserted to be alive.
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your lips that Yehoshua is lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Revelation 1:18 and the living one; I died, and behold I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
Revelation 2:8 And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.
Now confess, did the true God die for you?
John 2:1 On the third day there was a marriage at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Yehoshua was there.
John 2:3 When the wine failed, the mother of Yehoshua said to him, they have no wine.
John 19:25-26 So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Yehoshua were his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Mag'dalene. When Yehoshua saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, Woman, behold, your son!
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Yehoshua, and with his brothers.
When you die, does your soul die, does your spirit die, or does your flesh die?
Now when Yehoshua died, did his flesh nature (man nature) or his spirit nature (God nature according to Trinitarians) die?
Now if you answered that God died for you, and Yehoshua is the true God, then you believe Mary is the mother of God, or you believe that divinity died for you, which means that you do not believe that Mary is the mother of God, but then you have a god who died and was raised by another God since the dead is not alive to raise itself or some else.
So blessed be the mother of God OR blessed be the God of Yehoshua?
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] THE HISTORIC JESUS (YESHUA) CHRIST: (PART 1 OF 2)

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 868A]

John 8:42 Jesus (Yeshua) said to them, " Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

Jesus (Yeshua) said he comes from God. The flesh cannot be speaking for the flesh was created. So Jesus (Yeshua)'s spiritual being came from God. Jesus (Yeshua) did not send himself, he did not come on his own, but before he was on earth, God sent him. Jesus (Yeshua) was sent by God into the world, so Jesus (Yeshua) is before the world with God. He is referred to a Proverbs. 8:22-31, “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

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[2] THE HISTORIC JESUS (YESHUA) CHRIST:

INTRODUCTION:

Worldly critics do not want to accept the Inspired Word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible, and are always trying to find fault with it and failing to apply the constraints given in it when applying logic and reasoning. In fact, they sometimes even label events whose understanding is simple if you apply the constraints therein given by calling them contradictions which they are not.

In addition, they often claim, without proof of course, that accounts about him by contemporary historians have been "doctored". Why, because they want to justify their none belief in their Creator, Almighty God (YHWH).
<<<"Interestingly, the first type of records comes from what are known commonly as "hostile" sources-writers who mentioned Jesus in a negative light or derogatory fashion. Such penmen certainly were not predisposed to further the cause of Christ or otherwise to add credence to His existence. In fact, quite the opposite is true. They rejected His teachings and often reviled Him as well. Thus, one can appeal to them without the charge of built-in bias. " [source - Apologetics Press :: Reason & Revelation, The Historical Christ-Fact or Fiction? by Kyle Butt, M.A., sub-part HOSTILE TESTIMONY]>>>.

Interestingly, as noted by E.P. Sanders in his book, "The Historical Figure of Jesus," at page 49, he noted that most of the First Century literature that survives unto today that mentions Jesus (Yeshua) was written by a small elite class of Romans that detested him and considered his as "merely a troublesome rabble-rouser and magician."[source - The Historical Figure of Jesus, by E.P. Sanders 1933, at page 49].

With respect C. Tacitus, It is well known that he hated Jesus (Yeshua) and regarded him as a troublesome rabble-rouser and had nothing positive to say about what he referred to as a "deadly superstition," but readily admitted that this individual that he hated had existed as we have seen previously. <<<" His testimony establishes beyond any reasonable doubt that the Christian religion not only was relevant historically, but that Christ, as its originator, was a verifiable historical figure of such prominence that He even attracted the attention of the Roman emperor himself!" [source - Apologetics Press :: Reason & Revelation, The Historical Christ-Fact or Fiction? by Kyle Butt, M.A., sub-part HOSTILE TESTIMONY]>>>.

Therefore the only conclusion is that Jesus (Yeshua) was a real person, and that more has been written about him than any other person in human history. <<<" Critics do not like having to admit it, but they cannot successfully deny the fact that Jesus had a greater impact on the world than any single life before or after. Nor can they deny the fact that Jesus died at the hands of Pontius Pilate." !" [source - Apologetics Press :: Reason & Revelation, The Historical Christ-Fact or Fiction? by Kyle Butt, M.A., sub-part HOSTILE TESTIMONY]>>>.

Michael Grant stated (in 1977) that the view is derived from a lack of application of historical methods: <<<"...if we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned. ... To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ myth theory. It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary." [source - M. Grant, Jesus: An Historian's Review, pp. 199-200 , as provided by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And the New Testament is full of eyewitness accounts by the Apostles and Disciples of Jesus (Yeshua) that associated with him during his life and no such account exist for any other personage of antiquity.

THE REALITY:

WITH RESPECT FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS:

Worldly critics make the false claim which on the surface sound valid, but on closer examination are not. Let's look at one of these:

<<<" The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, writing during the second half of the first century CE, produced two major works: History of the Jewish War and Antiquities of the Jews. Two apparent references to Jesus occur in the second of these works. The longer, and more famous passage, occurs in Book 18 of Antiquities and reads as follows (taken from the standard accepted Greek text of Antiquities 18:63-64 by L. H. Feldman in the Loeb Classical Library):

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats and as a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing amongst us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life, for the prophets of God had prophesied these and countless other marvellous things about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.

This passage is called the Testimonium Flavianum, and is sometimes cited by propagandists as independent confirmation of Jesus' existence and resurrection. However, there is excellent reason to suppose that this passage was not written in its present form by Josephus, but was either inserted or amended by later Christians:

1. The early Christian writer Origen claims that Josephus did NOT recognize Jesus as the Messiah, in direct contradiction to the above passage, where Josephus says, "He was the Messiah." Thus, we may conclude that this particular phrase at least was a later insertion. (The version given above was, however, known to Jerome and in the time of Eusebius. Jerome's Latin version, however, renders "He was the Messiah" by "He was believed to be the Christ.") Furthermore, other early Christian writers fail to cite this passage, even though it would have suited their purposes to do so. There is thus firm evidence that this passage was tampered with at some point, even if parts of it do date back to Josephus.

2. The passage is highly pro-Christian. It is hard to imagine that Josephus, a Pharisaic Jew, would write such a laudatory passage about a man supposedly killed for blasphemy. Indeed, the passage seems to make Josephus himself out to be a Christian, which was certainly not the case.

Many Biblical scholars reject the entire Testimonium Flavianum as a later Christian insertion. However, some maintain that Josephus's work originally did refer to Jesus, but that Christian copyists later expanded and made the text more favorable to Jesus. These scholars cite such phrases as "tribe of Christians" and "wise man" as being atypical Christian usages, but plausible if coming from a first century Palestinian Jew. Of course, a suitably clever Christian wishing to "dress up" Josephus would not have much trouble imitating his style.

Philip Burns (pib@merle.acns.nwu.edu) has provided some of the following material on the following alternate versions or reconstructions of the Testimonium Flavianum.

One possible reconstruction of the Testimonium Flavianum, suggested by James Charlesworth, goes like this, with probably Christian interpolations enclosed in brackets: [source - not given by worldly critic posting same]>>>.

Now on close examination of this critics writings we see internal problems as follows to their false contentions regarding Jesus (Yeshua).

<<<" The early Christian writer Origen claims that Josephus did NOT recognize Jesus as the Messiah[[Thereby testifying to his real existence]][[Of course Josephus did not recognize him as the Messiah, but that is far different from that of recognizing his existence and is like saying an American did not recognize Adolph Hitler as his leader which in no way implies none recognition of his having existed.]][[As to calling him the Messiah, that would be like historian H.G. Wells calling Adolph Hitler the leader of the Axis Powers, and in no way implying his belief in him as his leader]], in direct contradiction to the above passage, where Josephus says, "He was the Messiah." Thus, we may conclude that this particular phrase at least was a later insertion. (The version given above was, however, known to Jerome and in the time of Eusebius[[Early scholars did not question whether Jesus (Yeshua) had existed, only later critics far removed in time from his day did]]. Jerome's Latin version, however, renders "He was the Messiah" by "He was believed to be the Christ.") Furthermore, other early Christian writers fail to cite this passage, even though it would have suited their purposes to do so. There is thus firm evidence that this passage was tampered with at some point, even if parts of it do date back to Josephus. ">>>.

Now let's look at another passage in Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews" found on page 598 of "The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus,

<<<"Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the Sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned; but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king
[Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a Sanhedrim without his consent." [source - The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus, translated by William Whiston, A.M. and Published by The John C. Winston Company, and containing the "Antiquities of the Jews" and the "Wars of the Jews" and other items, page 598]>>>.

Also, these critics willfully overlook what Josephus said with regard to John the Baptist as follows,

<<<"2. Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's army came from God, and that very justly, as punishment of what he did against John, that was called the Baptist; for Herod slew him, who was a good man, and commanded the Jews to exercise virtue, both as to righteousness towards one another, and piety towards God, and as to come to baptism; for the washing [with water] would be acceptable to him, if they made use of it, not in order to the putting away [or the remission] of some sins [only], but for the purification of the body; supposing still that the soul was thoroughly purified beforehand by righteousness. Now when [many] others came in crowds about him, for they were very greatly moved [or pleased] by hearing his words, Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion, (for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise,) thought it best, by putting him to death, to prevent any mischief he might cause, and not bring himself into difficulties, bty sparing a man who might make him repent of it when it should be too late. Accordingly he was sent a prisoner, out of Herod's suspicious temper, to Macherus, the castle I before mentioned, and was there put to death. Now the Jews had an opinion that the destruction of this army was sent as a punishment upon Herod, and a mark of God's displeasure to him." ." [source - The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus, translated by William Whiston, A.M. and Published by The John C. Winston Company, and containing the "Antiquities of the Jews" and the "Wars of the Jews" and other items, page 540.]>>>.

And now let's look at the passage in the Antiquities of the Jews that the critics like to claim was doctored in context, but goes right in the flow with everything else Josephus wrote,

<<<"...So he bid the Jews himself go away; but they bodily casting reproaches upon him, he gave the soldiers that signal which had been beforehand agreed on; who laid upon them such greater blows than Pilate had commanded them, and equally punished those that were tumultuous, and those that were not; nor did they spare them in the least; and since the people were unarmed, and were caught by men prepared for what they were about, there were a great number of them slain by this means, and others of them ran away wounded. And thus an end was put to this sedition.

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was {the} Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him are not extinct at this day.

4. About the same time also another sad calamity put the Jews into disorder, and certain shameful practices happened about the temple of Isis that was at Rome. I will now first take notice of the wicked attempts about the temple of Isis, and will then give an account of the Jewish affairs. ..." [source - The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus, translated by William Whiston, A.M. and Published by The John C. Winston Company, and containing the "Antiquities of the Jews" and the "Wars of the Jews" and other items, page 535]>>>.

Now, Yes, Flavius Josephus was a Jew and almost certainly did not believe in Jesus (Yeshua) as the Christ, but he was employed by the Roman Army as a historian and dutifully recorded reality whether he agreed religiously with it or not, just as well-known Roman Chatholic historian Will Durant did, who wrote, "Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it ... pagan cultures contributed to the syncretist results. From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity ... [Caesar and Christ, page 595) (Lamson, Newton & Durant)]. The problem is critics do NOT want to recognize the objectivity of good historians and compilers of facts, but wish to unjustly use their objectivity to claim their works have been doctored and/or are just plain wrong.

Some claim what Josephus wrote are forgeries, but an examination of his work quickly shows this can not be the case. Let's look at some of what he wrote in brief:

<<<"Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others [or, some of his companions]: and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, [source - "Antiquities of the Jews, from The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus as translated by William Whiston, A.M., published by the John C. Winston Co., of Philadelphia, page 598.]>>>.

And

<<<"2. Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's army came from god, and that very justly, as a punishment of what he did against John, that was called the baptist; for Herod slew him, who was a good man, and commanded the Jews to exercise virtue, both as to righteousness towards one another, and piety towards god, and so to come to baptism; for that the washing [with water] would be acceptable to him, if they made use of it, not in order to the putting away [or the remission] of some sins [only], but for the purification of the body; supposing still that the soul was thoroughly purified before hand by righteousness. Now when [many] others came in crowds about him, for they were very greatly moved [or pleased] by hearing his words, Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion, (for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise,) thought it best, by putting him to death, to prevent any mischief he might cause, and not bring himself into difficulties, by sparing a man who might make him repent of it when it should be too late. [source - "Antiquities of the Jews, from The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus as translated by William Whiston, A.M., published by the John C. Winston Co., of Philadelphia, page 540.]>>>.

And,

<<<"3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher os such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned his to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. Ant the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day. [source - "Antiquities of the Jews, from The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus as translated by William Whiston, A.M., published by the John C. Winston Co., of Philadelphia, page 535.]>>>.

And,

<<<"Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus recorded information pertaining to Jesus, thus removing the only supporting source for His existence as being in the New Testament. In 115 A.D., Tactius wrote about the great fire in Rome, "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberious at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths, Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed."
It is believed by some scholars that Tactius gained his information about Christ from official records, perhaps actual reports written by Pilate. Tactius also wrote about the burning of the Jerusalem temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. The Christians
are mentioned as a group that were connected with these events. "All we can gather from this reference is that Tactius was also aware of the existence of Christians other than in the context of their presence in Rome," states Habermas. Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian, wrote, "Because the Jews at Rome caused continuous disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from the City." Chrestus is a variant spelling of Christ. Suetonius refers to a wave of riots that broke out in a large Jewish community in Rome during the year 49 A.D. As a result, the Jews were banished from the city....

WITH RESPECT P. CORNELIUS TACTIUS (AD 56 - C. 120):

(Cornelius Tacitus), c.A.D. 55-c.A.D. 117, Roman historian. Little is known for certain of his life. He was a friend of Pliny the Younger and married the daughter of Cnaeus Julius Agricola. In A.D. 97 he was appointed substitute consul under Nerva, and later he was proconsul of Asia. The first of his works was the Dialogus [dialogue], a discussion of oratory in the style of Cicero, demonstrating to some degree why Tacitus was celebrated as an eloquent speaker; this work was long disputed, but his authorship is now generally accepted. Tacitus then wrote a biography of Agricola, expressing his admiration for his father-in-law as a good and able man. His small treatise De origine et situ Germanorum [concerning the origin and location of the Germans], commonly called the Germania or Germany, supplies (along with the earlier account of Julius Caesar) the principal written material on the Germanic tribes. Archaeology bears out the accuracy of Tacitus, but the work is not objective; it is a picture of the simple Germans glorified by comparison with the corruption and luxurious immorality of the Romans. This moral purpose and severe criticism of contemporary Rome, fallen from the virtuous vigor of the old republic, also underlies his two long works, commonly called in English the Histories (of which four books and part of a fifth survive) and the Annals (of which twelve books-Books I-VI, XI-XVI-survive). The extant books of the Histories cover only the reign of Galba (A.D. 68-69) and the beginning (to A.D. 70) of the reign of Vespasian but give a thorough view of Roman life-persons, places, and events. The surviving books of the Annals tell of the reign of Tiberius, of the last years of Claudius, and of the first years of Nero. The account contains incisive character sketches, ironic passages, and eloquent moral conclusions. The declamatory writing of the Dialogus is replaced in the historical works by a polished and highly individual style, a wide range of vocabulary, and an intricate and startling syntax.[source - The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07].

And another encyclopedia said, <<<" Publius (or Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus (ca. 56 - ca. 117) was a senator and a historian of the Roman Empire. The surviving portions of his two major works-the Annals and the Histories-examine the reigns of the Roman Emperors Tiberius, Claudius, Nero and those that reigned in the Year of the Four Emperors. These two works span the history of the Roman Empire from the death of Augustus in 14 AD to (presumably) the death of emperor Domitian in 96 AD. There are significant lacunae in the surviving texts.

Other works by Tacitus discuss oratory (in dialogue format, see Dialogus de oratoribus), Germania (in De origine et situ Germanorum), and biographical notes about his father-in-law Agricola, primarily during his campaign in Britannia (see De vita et moribus Iulii Agricolae).

Tacitus' historiographical style in his major works is annalistic. An author writing in the latter part of the Silver Age of Latin literature, his work is distinguished by a boldness and sharpness of wit, and a compact and sometimes unconventional use of Latin."[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.

Now let's look at what this none Christian worshipper of the Unconquered Sun had to say about Jesus (Yeshua). <<<" The Roman historian Tacitus, writing in his Annals (c. 116) about the Great Fire of Rome (64), included an account of how the emperor Nero blamed the Christians in Rome for the disaster and initiated the first known persecution of early Christians by the Romans. This has become one of the best known and most discussed passages of Tacitus' works.[1] Although partly aimed at showing the inhumanity of the emperor, Tacitus' remarks have been studied more by modern scholars for information about his own religious attitudes and about the early history of Christianity.

Tacitus describes the support for the homeless provided by Nero and the rebuilding of the city, then refers to religious rituals carried out based on a consultation of the Sibylline Books.[2] However, none of this did away with the suspicion that the fire had been started on Nero's orders:

Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.

Tacitus then returns to the topic of Nero's reputation and the effect on it of these events: "Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed."[3]

References:

1. ^ Syme 533 n. 5 ("This famous chapter has provoked an enormous literature...").

2. ^ Tacitus, Annals 15.39-43.

3. ^ a b Tacitus, Annals 15.44, translated by Church and Brodribb.

[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>

The Catholic Encyclopedia said the following on C. Tactius,

<<<" We possess at least the testimony of Tacitus (A.D. 54-119) for the statements that the Founder of the Christian religion, a deadly superstition in the eyes of the Romans, had been put to death by the procurator Pontius Pilate under the reign of Tiberius; that His religion, though suppressed for a time, broke forth again not only throughout Judea where it had originated, but even in Rome, the conflux of all the streams of wickness and shamelessness; furthermore, that Nero had diverted from himself the suspicion of the burning of Rome by charging the Christians with the crime; that these latter were not guilty of arson, though they deserved their fate on account of their universal misanthropy. Tacitus, moreover, describes some of the horrible torments to which Nero subjected the Christians (Ann., XV, xliv). The Roman writer confounds the Christians with the Jews, considering them as a especially abject Jewish sect; how little he investigated the historical truth of even the Jewish records may be inferred from the credulity with which he accepted the absurd legends and calumnies about the origin of he Hebrew people (Hist., V, iii, iv)..

AND, Those who regard the passage as spurious,

First, there are those who consider the whole passage as spurious. The principal reasons for this view appear to be the following:

* Josephus could not represent Jesus Christ as a simple moralist, and on the other hand he could not emphasize the Messianic prophecies and expectations without offending the Roman susceptibilities;

* the above cited passage from Josephus is said to be unknown to Origen and the earlier patristic writers;

* its very place in the Josephan text is uncertain, since Eusebius (Hist. Eccl., II, vi) must have found it before the notices concerning Pilate, while it now stands after them.

But the spuriousness of the disputed Josephan passage does not imply the historian's ignorance of the facts connected with Jesus Christ. Josephus's report of his own juvenile precocity before the Jewish teachers (Vit., 2) reminds one of the story of Christ's stay in the Temple at the age of twelve; the description of his shipwreck on his journey to Rome (Vit., 3) recalls St. Paul's shipwreck as told in the Acts; finally his arbitrary introduction of a deceit practised by the priests of Isis on a Roman lady, after the chapter containing his supposed allusion to Jesus, shows a disposition to explain away the virgin birth of Jesus and to prepare the falsehoods embodied in the later Jewish writings.".[source - The Catholic Encyclopedia]>>>.

OTHER EARLY PAGAN WRITERS ON CHRIST:

Here is what some other early pagan writers who lived in the First Century had to say about Christ,

<<<"B. Suetonius, Another Roman writer who shows his acquaintance with Christ and the Christians is Suetonius (A.D. 75-160). It has been noted that Suetonius considered Christ (Chrestus) as a Roman insurgent who stirred up seditions under the reign of Claudius (A.D. 41-54): "Judaeos, impulsore Chresto, assidue tumultuantes (Claudius) Roma expulit" (Clau., xxv). In his life of Nero he regards that emperor as a public benefactor
on account of his severe treatment of the Christians: "Multa sub eo et animadversa severe, et coercita, nec minus instituta . . . . afflicti Christiani, genus hominum superstitious novae et maleficae" (Nero, xvi). The Roman writer does not understand that the Jewish troubles arose from the Jewish antagonism to the Messianic character of Jesus Christ and to the rights of the Christian Church.

C. Pliny the Younger

Of greater importance is the letter of Pliny the Younger to the Emperor Trajan (about A.D. 61-115), in which the Governor of Bithynia consults his imperial majesty as to how to deal with the Christians living within his jurisdiction. On the one hand, their lives were confessedly innocent; no crime could be proved against them excepting their Christian belief, which appeared to the Roman as an extravagant and perverse superstition. On the other hand, the Christians could not be shaken in their allegiance to Christ, Whom they celebrated as their God in their early morning meetings (Ep., X, 97, 98). Christianity here appears no longer as a religion of criminals, as it does in the texts of Tacitus and Suetonius; Pliny acknowledges the high moral principles of the Christians, admires their constancy in the Faith (pervicacia et inflexibilis obstinatio), which he appears to trace back to their worship of Christ (carmenque Christo, quasi Deo, dicere).

D. Other pagan writers

The remaining pagan witnesses are of less importance: In the second century Lucian sneered at Christ and the Christians, as he scoffed at the pagan gods. He alludes to Christ's death on the Cross, to His miracles, to the mutual love prevailing among the Christians ("Philopseudes", nn. 13, 16; "De Morte Pereg"). There are also alleged allusions to Christ in Numenius (Origen, "Contra Cels", IV, 51), to His parables in Galerius, to the earthquake at the Crucifixion in Phlegon ( Origen, "Contra Cels.", II, 14). Before the end of the second century, the logos alethes of Celsus, as quoted by Origen (Contra Cels., passim), testifies that at that time the facts related in the Gospels were generally accepted as historically true. However scanty the pagan sources of the life of Christ may be, they bear at least testimony to His existence, to His miracles, His parables, His claim to Divine worship, His death on the Cross, and to the more striking characteristics of His religion." ).[source - The Catholic Encyclopedia]>>>.

JEWISH SOURCE OF THE FIRST CENTURY ON CHRIST:

<<<"Philo, who dies after A.D. 40, is mainly important for the light he throws on certain modes of thought and phraseology found again in some of the Apostles. Eusebius (Hist. Eccl., II, iv) indeed preserves a legend that Philo had met St. Peter in Rome during his mission to the Emperor Caius; moreover, that in his work on the contemplative life he describes the life of the Christian Church in Alexandria founded by St. Mark, rather than that of the Essenes and Therapeutae. But it is hardly probable that Philo had heard enough of Christ and His followers to give an historical foundation to the foregoing legends." ).[source - The Catholic Encyclopedia]>>>.

And,

<<<"The historical character of Jesus Christ is also attested by the hostile Jewish literature of the subsequent centuries. His birth is ascribed to an illicit ("Acta Pilati" in Thilo, "Codex apocryph. N.T., I, 526; cf. Justin, "Apol.", I, 35), or even an adulterous, union of His parents (Origen, "Contra Cels.," I, 28, 32). The father's name is Panthera, a common soldier (Gemara "Sanhedrin", viii; "Schabbath", xii, cf. Eisenmenger, "Entdecktes Judenthum", I, 109; Schottgen, "Horae Hebraicae", II, 696; Buxtorf, "Lex. Chald.", Basle, 1639, 1459, Huldreich, "Sepher toledhoth yeshua hannaceri", Leyden, 1705). The last work in its final edition did not appear before the thirteenth century, so that it could give the Panthera myth in its most advanced form. Rosch is of opinion that the myth did not begin before the end of the first century.

The later Jewish writings show traces of acquaintance with the murder of the Holy Innocents (Wagenseil, "Confut. Libr.Toldoth", 15; Eisenmenger op. cit., I, 116; Schottgen, op. cit., II, 667), with the flight into Egypt (cf. Josephus, "Ant." XIII, xiii), with the stay of Jesus in the Temple at the age of twelve (Schottgen, op. cit., II, 696), with the call of the disciples ("Sanhedrin", 43a; Wagenseil, op. cit., 17; Schottgen, loc. cit., 713), with His miracles (Origen, "Contra Cels", II, 48; Wagenseil, op. cit., 150; Gemara "Sanhedrin" fol. 17); "Schabbath", fol. 104b; Wagenseil, op.cit., 6, 7, 17), with His claim to be God (Origen, "Contra Cels.", I, 28; cf. Eisenmenger, op. cit., I, 152; Schottgen, loc. cit., 699) with His betrayal by Judas and His death (Origen, "Contra cels.", II, 9, 45, 68, 70; Buxtorf, op. cit., 1458; Lightfoot, "Hor. Heb.", 458, 490, 498; Eisenmenger, loc. cit., 185; Schottgen, loc. cit.,699 700; cf. "Sanhedrin", vi, vii). Celsus (Origen, "Contra Cels.", II, 55) tries to throw doubt on the Resurrection, while Toldoth (cf. Wagenseil, 19) repeats the Jewish fiction that the body of Jesus had been stolen from the sepulchre. "[source - The Catholic Encyclopedia]>>>.

EARLY CHRISTIAN SOURCES INCLUDING THE BIBLE:

<<<"Among the Christian sources of the life of Jesus we need hardly mention the so called Agrapha and Apocrypha. For whether the Agrapha contain Logia of Jesus, or refer to incidents in His life, they are either highly uncertain or present only variations of the Gospel story. The chief value of the Apocrypha consists in their showing the infinite superiority of the Inspired Writings by contrasting the coarse and erroneous productions of the human mind with the simple and sublime truths written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Among the Sacred Books of the New Testament, it is especially the four Gospels and the four great Epistles of St. Paul that are of the highest importance for the construction of the life of Jesus.

The four great Pauline Epistles (Romans, Galatians, and First and Second Corinthinas) can hardly be overestimated by the student of Christ's life; they have at times been called the "fifth gospel"; their authenticity has never been assailed by serious critics; their testimony is also earlier than that of the Gospels, at least most of the Gospels; it is the more valuable because it is incidental and undesigned; it is the testimony of a highly intellectual and cultured writer, who had been the greatest enemy of Jesus, who writes within twenty-five years of the events which he relates. At the same time, these four great Epistles bear witness to all the most important facts in the life of Christ: His Davidic dscent, His poverty, His Messiahship, His moral teaching, His preaching of the kingdom of God, His calling of the apostles, His miraculous power, His claims to be God, His betrayal, His institution of the Holy Eucharist, His passion, crucifixion, burial, resurrection, His repeated appearances (Romans 1:3-4; 5:11; 8:2-3; 8:32; 9:5; 15:8; Galatians 2:17; 3:13; 4:4; 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 13:4; etc.). However important the four great Epistles may be, the gospels are still more so. Not that any one of them offers a complete biography of Jesus, but they account for the origin of Christianity by the life of its Founder. Questions like the authenticity of the Gospels, the relation between the Synoptic Gospels, and the Fourth, the Synoptic problem, must be studied in the articles referring to these respective subjects." [source - The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VIII. Published 1910. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, October 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York]>>>.

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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 869A]

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Matthew 24:3, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Jesus (Yeshua) answered them at Matthew 24:4 – 6, [AV] “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.” Clearly showing the time for the end of the world (system of things) was still in the future. At Matthew 24:36, [AV], he revealed, “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” The date for the end was NOT known by him, but only known to his father. But he did reveal to his disciples how the beginning of the culmination of the end times sould be at Matthew 24:7, [AV] “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.” And that it would be necessary for all his followers per Matthew 12 – 13, [AV] “And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” To stand fast with being his genuine followers during this period.

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[2] Part 2THE HISTORIC JESUS (YESHUA) CHRIST: [PART 1 AT VOL 868A ]

THE HISTORIC RECORD AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

Historic Record:

Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus recorded information pertaining to Jesus, thus removing the only supporting source for His existence as being in the New Testament. In 115 A.D., Tactius wrote about the great fire in Rome, "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberious at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths, Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed."
It is believed by some scholars that Tactius gained his information about Christ from official records, perhaps actual reports written by Pilate. Tactius also wrote about the burning of the Jerusalem temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. The Christians are mentioned as a group that were connected with these events. "All we can gather from this reference is that Tactius was also aware of the existence of Christians other than in the context of their presence in Rome," states Habermas. Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian, wrote, "Because the Jews at Rome caused continuous disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from the City." Chrestus is a variant spelling of Christ. Suetonius refers to a wave of riots that broke out in a large Jewish community in Rome during the year 49 A.D. As a result, the Jews were banished from the city.[source - Proving the historic Jesus by By Harry V. Martin, http://sonic.net/sentinel/naij3.html ].>>>.

And,

<<<"F.F. Bruce ("Christian Origins" pp. 29,30) draws attention to the fact that there are references to a history of the Eastern Mediterranean written by a historian called Thallus about 52 AD. Bruce shows elsewhere ("The New Testament Documents", p. 113) that a scholar named Julius Africanus quoted from Thallus, mocking his description of the darkness at the crucifixion of Jesus as due to the eclipse of the sun. This suggests that Thallus wrote an account of the crucifixion of Jesus which occurred some years before he wrote his history in 52 AD.[source - The Historical Christ, http://www.baptistchapel.net/pages.asp?pageid=20651 on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"Tacitus was a Roman historian writing early in the 2nd century A.D. His Annals provide us with a single reference to Jesus of considerable value. Rather frustratingly, much of his work has been lost, including a work which covers the years 29-32, where the trial of Jesus would have been had he recorded it. [Meie.MarJ, 89]
Here is a full quote of the cite of our concern, from Annals 15.44. Jesus and the Christians are mentioned in an account of how the Emperor Nero went after Christians in order to draw attention away from himself after Rome's fire of 64 AD:
But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind
[source - Jesus Nero's Scapegoats: by Cornelius Tacitus, The Reliability of the Secular References to Jesus, by J. P. Holding, http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01_TC.html on 03/19/2008]

And,

<<<"On the eve of Passover Jesus was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor let him come forward and plead on his behalf." But since nothing was brought forward in his favor, he was hanged on the eve of Passover. Ulla retorted: Do you suppose he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a mesith (enticer), concerning whom Scripture says, "Neither shall thou spare nor shall thou conceal him?" With Jesus, however, it was different, for he was connected with the government. (Sanhedrin 43a)[source - Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a as provided by September 24, 2003 Steven Bayme, National Director, Contemporary Jewish Life Department , http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rel ... 7317/posts on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"[And first century slanders of Jesus (Yeshua) prove he existed] ""... Scholars have debated at length how Jesus came to have this name (i.e., ben Pandira) attached to his. Strauss thought it was from the Greek word pentheros, meaning 'son-in-law.' Klausner and Bruce accept the position that panthera is a corruption of the Greek parthenos meaning 'virgin.' Klausner says, 'The Jews constantly heard that the Christians (the majority of whom spoke Greek from the earliest times) called Jesus by the name "Son of the Virgin"... and so, in mockery, they called him Ben ha-Pantera, i.e., "son of the leopard."'... The theory most sensational but least accepted by serious scholars was dramatized by the discovery of a first century tombstone at Bingerbruck, Germany. The inscription read, 'Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera, an archer, native of Sidon, Phoenicia, who in 9 c.e. was transferred to service in Germany.'... This discovery fueled the fire of the theory that Jesus was the illegitimate son of Mary and the soldier, Panthera. Even Origen writes that his opponent, Celsus, in circa A.D. 178, said that he heard from a Jew that 'Miriam' had become pregnant by 'Pantheras,' a Roman soldier; was divorced by her husband, and bore Jesus in secret." [source - III.Ancient Secular Historians, I.Talmudic Sources, DOXA, http://www.doxa.ws/Jesus_pages/Talmud_JC.html on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"Celsus, a late second-century critic of Christianity, accused Jesus of being a bastard child and a sorcerer.[67] He is quoted as saying that Jesus was a "mere man".[68]
The Acts of Pilate is purportedly an official document from Pilate reporting events in Judea to the Emperor Tiberius (thus, it would have been among the commentaii principis). It was mentioned by Justin Martyr, in his First Apology (c. 150) to Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius, and Lucius Verus, who said that his claims concerning Jesus' crucifixion, and some miracles, could be verified by referencing the official record, the "Acts of Pontius Pilate".[69] With the exception of Tertullian, no other writer is known to have mentioned the work, and Tertullian's reference says that Tiberius debated the details of Jesus' life before the Roman Senate, an event that is almost universally considered absurd.[70] There is a later apocryphal text, undoubtedly fanciful, by the same name, and though it is generally thought to have been inspired by Justin's reference (and thus to post-date his Apology), it is possible that Justin actually mentioned this text, though that would give the work an unusually early date and therefore is not a straightforward identification.[71]" [source - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"[Pliny the Younger (c. 62 - c.113 AD) was the Roman Governor of Bithynia (present-day northwestern Turkey). Around 111 or 112 AD, he wrote the following letter to Emperor Trajan of Rome asking for advice on how to deal with Christians. - quite a letter preserved from antiquity, and this is only one of ten .]
It is a rule, Sir, which I inviolably observe, to refer myself to you in all my doubts; for who is more capable of guiding my uncertainty or informing my ignorance? Having never been present at any trials of the Christians, I am unacquainted with the method and limits to be observed either in examining or punishing them. Whether any difference is to be allowed between the youngest and the adult; whether repentance admits to a pardon, or if a man has been once a Christian it avails him nothing to recant; whether the mere profession of Christianity, albeit without crimes, or only the crimes associated therewith are punishable -- in all these points I am greatly doubtful.

In the meanwhile,
the method I have observed towards those who have denounced to me as Christians is this: I interrogated them whether they were Christians; if they confessed it I repeated the question twice again, adding the threat of capital punishment; if they still persevered, I ordered them to be executed. For whatever the nature of their creed might be, I could at least feel not doubt that contumacy and inflexible obstinacy deserved chastisement. There were others also possessed with the same infatuation, but being citizens of Rome, I directed them to be carried thither.

These accusations spread (as is usually the case) from the mere fact of the matter being investigated and several forms of the mischief came to light. A placard was put up, without any signature, accusing a large number of persons by name. Those who denied they were, or had ever been, Christians, who repeated after me an invocation to the gods, and offered adoration, with wine and frankincense, to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for that purpose, together with those of the gods, and who finally cursed Christ -- none of which acts, it is into performing -- these I thought it proper to discharge. Others who were named by that informer at first confessed themselves Christians, and then denied it; true, they had been of that persuasion but they had quitted it, some three years, others many years, and a few as much as twenty-five years ago. They all worshipped your statue and the images of the gods, and cursed Christ.

They affirmed, however, the whole of their guilt, or their error, was, that they were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft, or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food -- but food of an ordinary and innocent kind. Even this practice, however, they had abandoned after the publication of my edict, by which, according to your orders, I had forbidden political associations. I judged it so much the more necessary to extract the real truth, with the assistance of torture, from two female slaves, who were styled deaconesses: but I could discover nothing more than depraved and excessive superstition.

I therefore adjourned the proceedings, and betook myself at once to your counsel. For the matter seemed to me well worth referring to you, especially considering the numbers endangered. Persons of all ranks and ages, and of both sexes are, and will be, involved in the prosecution. For this contagious superstition is not confined to the cities only, but has spread through the villages and rural districts; it seems possible, however, to check and cure it." [source - http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/pliny-the-younger.htm on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"Pliny the Younger, the provincial governor of Pontus and Bithynia, wrote to Emperor Trajan c. 112 concerning how to deal with Christians, who refused to worship the emperor, and instead worshiped "Christus".
Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ - none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do - these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.

They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food-but ordinary and innocent food. Even this, they affirmed, they had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden political associations." [source - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"[The ancient Roman historian Suetonius, he was court official under the Roman Emperor Hadrian,
made two interesting historical notes about the followers of Jesus Christ ] "Suetonius provides more insight into how and why "Chrestus" would cause such disturbances among the Jews in Rome when he tells of Nero's campaign of persecution against the Christians, launched in A.D. 64. (Scholars believe this was the persecution that claimed, among others, Peter and Paul - both believed to have died in Rome). Suetonius describes these "Christians" as a "class of men given to a new and mischevious superstition."
[source - Suetonius on Christians in Rome, Ancient Roman Historian Writes of Jesus' Followers, by Brian Tubbs, http://protestantism.suite101.com/blog. ... ns_in_rome on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"There are passages relevant to Christianity in the works of four major non-Christian writers of the late 1st and early 2nd centuries - Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger. However, these are generally references to early Christians rather than a historical Jesus. Of the four, Josephus' writings, which document John the Baptist, James the Just, and possibly also Jesus, are of the most interest to scholars dealing with the historicity of Jesus (see below). Tacitus, in his Annals written c. 115, mentions popular opinion about Christus, without historical details (see also: Tacitus on Jesus). There is an obscure reference to a Jewish leader called "Chrestus" in Suetonius. Pliny condemned Christians as easily-led fools." [source - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"The Talmud Sanhedrin 43a, which dates to the earliest period of composition (Tannaitic period) contains the following:
On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged. Forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried: "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf." But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover.[72] [source - From The Babylonian Talmud, translated I. Epstein (London: Soncio, 1935), vol. 3, Sanhedrin 43a, p. 281, Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<"Michael Grant stated (in 1977) that the view is derived from a lack of application of historical methods:
...if we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned. ... To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ myth theory. It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary." [source - M. Grant, Jesus: An Historian's Review, pp. 199-200 , as provided by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<" In The Historical Figure of Jesus, E.P. Sanders used Alexander the Great as a paradigm-the available sources tell us much about Alexander's deeds, but nothing about his thoughts. "The sources for Jesus are better, however, than those that deal with Alexander" and "the superiority of evidence for Jesus is seen when we ask what he thought."[74] Thus, Sanders considers the quest for the Historical Jesus to be much closer to a search for historical details on Alexander than to those historical figures with adequate documentation.
Consequently, scholars like Sanders, Geza Vermes, John P. Meier, David Flusser, James H. Charlesworth, Raymond E. Brown, Paula Fredriksen and John Dominic Crossan argue that, although many readers are accustomed to thinking of Jesus solely as a theological figure whose existence is a matter only of religious debate, the four canonical Gospel accounts are based on source documents written within decades of Jesus' lifetime, and therefore provide a basis for the study of the "historical" Jesus. These historians also draw on other historical sources and archaeological evidence to reconstruct the life of Jesus in his historical and cultural context." [source - Sanders 1993:3 as provided by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<" Lucian, a second century Romano-Syrian satirist, who wrote in Greek, wrote:
The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day - the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account... You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and
then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.[66]" [source - Lucian, The Death of Peregrine, 11-13 in The Works of Lucian of Samosata, translated by H. W. Fowler (Oxford: Clarendon, 1949) vol. 4 as provided by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<" Thallus, of whom very little is known, wrote a history from the Trojan War to, according to Eusebius, 109 AD. No work of Thallus survives. There is one reference to Thallus having written about events beyond 109 AD. Julius Africanus, writing c. 221, while writing about the crucifixion of Jesus, mentioned Thallus. Thus:
On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in his third book of History, calls (as appears to me without reason) an eclipse of the sun.[65]" [source - Julius Africanus, Extant Writings XVIII in Ante-Nicene Fathers, ed. A. Roberts and J. Donaldson (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1973) vol. VI, p. 130 as provided by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

And,

<<<" Tacitus (c. 56-c. 117), writing c. 116, included in his Annals a mention of Christianity and "Christus", the Latinized Greek translation of the Hebrew word "Messiah". In describing Nero's persecution of Christians following the Great Fire of Rome c. 64, he wrote:
Nero fastened the guilt of starting the blaze and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius 14-37 at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.[53]
R. E. Van Voorst noted the improbability that later Christians would have interpolated "such disparaging remarks about Christianity".[54] For this reason the authenticity of the passage is rarely doubted, but there is disagreement about what it proves. It has been controversially speculated that Tacitus may have used one of Pilate's reports to the emperor as the source for his statement that "Christus" had been crucified by Pilate.[55] Biblical scholar Bart D. Ehrman wrote that: "Tacitus's report confirms what we know from other sources, that Jesus was executed by order of the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate, sometime during Tiberius's reign."[56] Others would say it tells us only what the Christians in the year 116 believed, and is not therefore an independent confirmation of the Gospel reports. For example, historian Richard Carrier writes "it is inconceivable that there were any records of Jesus for Tacitus to consult in Rome (for many reasons, not the least of which being that Rome's capitol had burned to the ground more than once in the interim), and even less conceivable that he would have dug through them even if they existed ... It would simply be too easy to just ask a Christian--or a colleague who had done so ... there can be no doubt that what Pliny discovered from Christians he had interrogated was passed on to Tacitus."[57]" [sources - ^ Tacitus, Annals 15.44 (Latin, English and also here) ^ Robert E. Van Voorst (2000). Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence. Wm. B. Eerdmans, p. 43. See also the criterion of embarrassment. ^ F.F. Bruce, Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament, (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974) p. 23 ^ Ehrman, p. [212 INSERT TITLE]. as provided by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus on 03/19/2008]>>>.

CONCLUSION AND ADDITIONAL REFERENCES:

As can be readily seen, it is totally unreasonable to assert that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is not a genuine historic figure as do some unreasonable ones. And to reiterate what was said in the introduction,

<<<"Interestingly, the first type of records comes from what are known commonly as "hostile" sources-writers who mentioned Jesus in a negative light or derogatory fashion. Such penmen certainly were not predisposed to further the cause of Christ or otherwise to add credence to His existence. In fact, quite the opposite is true. They rejected His teachings and often reviled Him as well. Thus, one can appeal to them without the charge of built-in bias. " [source - Apologetics Press :: Reason & Revelation, The Historical Christ-Fact or Fiction? by Kyle Butt, M.A., sub-part HOSTILE TESTIMONY]>>>.

But for those wanting to do additional research and/or checking, here are some resources not previously mentioned:

REFERENCES

Anderson, J.N.D. (1969), Christianity: The Witness of History (London: Tyndale).

Anderson, Norman (1985), Jesus Christ: The Witness of History (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press), second edition.

Barker, Dan (1992), Losing Faith in Faith (Minneapolis, MN: Freedom From Religion Foundation).

Beare, Francis Wright (1962), The Earliest Records of Jesus (New York: Abingdon).

Blomberg, Craig L. (1987), The Historical Reliability of the Gospels (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press).

Bruce, F.F. (1953), The New Testament Documents-Are They Reliable? (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans), fourth edition.

Bruce, F.F. (1967), The New Testament Documents-Are They Reliable? (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans), fifth edition.

Chapman, Colin (1981), The Case for Christianity (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans).

Daniel-Rops, Henri, (1969), "Silence of Jesus' Contemporaries," The Sources for the Life of Christ, ed. Henri Daniel-Rops (New York: Hawthorn).

Durant, Will, ed. (1932), On the Meaning of Life (New York: Long and Smith).

Geisler, Norman L. and Ronald M. Brooks (1990), When Skeptics Ask (Wheaton, IL: Victor).

Guthrie, Donald (1990), New Testament Introduction (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press).

Habermas, Gary R. (1996), The Historical Jesus (Joplin, MO: College Press).

Harvey, A.E. (1982), Jesus and the Constraints of History (Philadelphia, PA: Westminster).

Horne, Thomas H. (1841), An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker), 1970 reprint.

Jackson, Wayne (1991), "Josephus and the Bible [Part II]" Reason & Revelation, 11:29-32, August.

Josephus, Flavius (1957 reprint), The Life and Works of Flavius Josephus, trans. William Whitson (Philadelphia, PA: John Whitson).

Josephus, Flavius (1988 reprint), Josephus: The Essential Writings, trans. Paul L Maier (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel).

Kähler, Martin (1896), The So-called Historical Jesus and the Historic, Biblical Christ, trans. Carl E. Braaten (Philadelphia, PA: Fortress), 1964 reprint.

Key, Howard Clark (1970), Jesus in History (New York: Harcourt, Brace and World).

Linton, Irwin H. (1943), A Lawyer Examines the Bible (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker), sixth edition.

Meier, John P. (1990), "Jesus in Josephus: A Modest Proposal." The Catholic Biblical Quarterly, 52:76-99.

Metzger, Bruce M. (1968), The Text of the New Testament (New York: Oxford University Press).

Monser, J.W. (1961), An Encyclopedia on the Evidences; or Masterpieces of Many Minds (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker).

Rajak, Tessa (1984), Josephus: The Historian and His Society (Philadelphia, PA: Fortress).

Sanders, E.P. (1993), The Historical Figure of Jesus (New York: Lane-Penguin).

Schweitzer, Albert. (1964), The Quest for the Historical Jesus (New York: Macmillan).

Suetonius (1957 reprint), The Twelve Caesars, trans. Robert Graves (London: Penguin).

Schaff, Philip & N.M. Roussel (1868), The Romance of M. Renan and the Christ of the Gospels (New York: Carlton & Lanahan).

Tacitus, Cornelius P. (1952 reprint), The Annals and the Histories, trans. Michael Grant (Chicago, IL: William Benton), Great Books of the Western World Series, vol. 15.

Thompson, Bert (1994), "Famous Enemies of Christ-Ancient and Modern," Reason & Revelation, 14:1-7, January.

Wells, H.G. (1931), Outline of History, Being a Plain History of Life and Mankind (Garden City, NY: Garden City Publishing).

Wilken, Robert L. (1990), "The Piety of the Persecutors," Christian History, 9:16.

Yamauchi, Edwin M. (1995), "Jesus Outside the New Testament: What is the Evidence?," Jesus Under Fire, ed. Michael J. Wilkins and J.P. Moreland (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan).

[source - Apologetics Press :: Reason & Revelation, The Historical Christ-Fact or Fiction? by Kyle Butt, M.A., sub-part HOSTILE TESTIMONY]

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Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls. 1 Peter 2:24 – 25, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

And Jesus (Yeshua) shows at Luke 15:6 – 10, [AV] by example the joy experienced by getting one sinner to return to righteousness, “And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. 8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it? 9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost. 10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.” This is also emphasized at Luke 15:7, [AV] “I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.”

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[2] WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD?

The Bible is quite clear with respect the culmination of the last days, and what will transpire. Also, it is clear that we must bring our lives in harmony with Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) requirements if we are to survive into the new system of things prayed for at Matthew 6:9 – 10, “) “You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.” [New World Translation Revised: NWRT]

The Apostle Peter made what is required for us to win his approval and what things would come to pass in the last days. He mentioned ridicule's would come who would not believe, and he likened it to the days of Noah, and how that world came to a destruction by a great flood. And mentioned how this world would be destroyed by firs symbolizing a complete destruction of the present wicked system we now live in. This in no way refers to a literal destruction of the earth, but a total destruction of all wickedness and not just a cleansing of it as occurred in the days of Noah. Now let’s look at
2 Peter 3:1 – 10, for a detailed account of this reality, “Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I am writing you in which, as in my first one, I am stirring up your clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder, 2that you should remember the sayings previously spoken by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles. 3First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.” For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people. However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. 0But Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.” [New World Translation Revised: NWRT] .

The prophet Ezekiel foretold long ago that the last days would be of great tribulation in prophetic terms, and Almighty God (YHWH) shall make himself known to the disobedient nations in a mighty way. He will use his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) as the leader of an angelic army. This prophecy is as follows, Ezekiel 38:21 – 23, ‘I will call for a sword against him on all my mountains,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘Every man’s sword will be against his own brother. 22I will bring my judgment against him with pestilence and bloodshed; and I will rain down a torrential downpour and hailstones and fire and sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many peoples with him. 23And I will certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’

Almighty God (YHWH) has in the past proved himself a mighty warrier for his chosen people who at the time were the Israelites, but now his chosen people are only those believing in him and doing his will. Some of his past warrier acts are recorded at, Joshua 10:10 - 14, “Jehovah threw them into confusion before Israel, and they inflicted a great slaughter on them at Gib?e·on, pursuing them by way of the ascent of Beth-ho?ron and striking them down as far as A·ze?kah and Mak·ke?dah. 11While they were fleeing from Israel and were on the descent of Beth-ho?ron, Jehovah hurled great hailstones from the sky on them as far as A·ze?kah, and they perished. In fact, more died from the hail than from the sword of the Israelites. 12It was then, on the day that Jehovah routed the Am?or·ites before the eyes of the Israelites, that Joshua said to Jehovah before Israel: “Sun, stand still over Gib?e·on, And moon, over the Valley of Ai?ja·lon!” 13So the sun stood still and the moon did not move until the nation could take vengeance on its enemies. Is it not written in the book of Ja?shar? The sun stood still in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to set for about a whole day. 14There has never been a day like that one, either before it or after it, when Jehovah listened to the voice of a man, for Jehovah was fighting for Israel. [New World Translation Revised: NWRT] .

Yes, His faithful followers will undergo tribulation at the hands of others. The Apostle John wrote under inspiration the following at John 16:33, “(John 16:33) I have said these things to you so that by means of me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but take courage! I have conquered the world.” [New World Translation Revised: NWRT] , and John recorded what Jesus (Yeshua) said with respect how the world would hate his followers at this time at John 15:18 – 20, “(John 15:18-20) If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you. 20 Keep in mind the word I said to you: A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have observed my word, they will also observe yours.” [New World Translation Revised: NWRT]

The Apostle Paul said this of Almighty God’s (YHWH) righteous judgment at 2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “ This is a proof of the righteous judgment of God, leading to your being counted worthy of the Kingdom of God, for which you are indeed suffering. 6This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you. 7But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.” [New World Translation Revised: NWRT] .

Yes, as revealed by the Apostle John the following, John 5:28-30, “Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.” [New World Translation Revised: NWRT] .

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My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. Deuteronomy 32:2, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

And this is further clarified by Hosea 14:4 – 7, [AV] “I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him. 5 I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon. 6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon. 7 They that dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive as the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof shall be as the wine of Lebanon.”

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[2] INFORMATION ON BIBLE TRANSLATION OF JOHN 8:58:

John 8:58, according to the King James Version, says: "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." But the New World Translation states: "Jesus said to them: 'Most truly I say to you, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.'" Why does the New World Translation use "I have been" instead of "I am"?-R. B., United States. The Greek verb there used, eimi', is literally in the present tense, but in view of its being preceded by the aorist infinitive clause which refers to Abraham's past, the Greek verb eimi' must be viewed as a historical present. Regarding the historical present Hadley and Allen's Greek Grammar says, in section 828: HISTORICAL PRESENT.-In vivid narration, a past event is often thought of and expressed as present: . . . The present in this use is freely interchanged with the past tenses . . . " Says A. T. Robertson's A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research, under "The Historical Present," pages 866-869: "This vivid idiom is popular in all languages, particularly in the vernacular. . . . it is much more frequent in Greek than in English and is a survival of 'the original stock of our languages.' 'It antedates the differentiation into imperfect and aorist.' . . . It is common enough in the LXX [Septuagint], . . . Hawkins finds the historical present in the LXX 337 times. Josephus uses it also. The New Testament examples are thus 'dramatic.' The historical present is not always aoristic. It may be durative like the imperfect. . . . Hawkins . . . finds 93 historic presents in Matthew (15 of them in Parables), but 162 in John and 151 in Mark. It is rare in the rest of the New Testament. It is most frequent in Mark, John, Matthew and in this order. . . ." If you will examine the New World Translation you will find that except for the final book of The Revelation the historical present is not rendered as such in the translation, but if the context calls for it the historical present is rendered in the past. For examples of where the Greek mixes the historical present with past tenses, we refer you to John 1:29-42, also John chapter 20, as shown in the King James Version. Note also Mark 1:12, 13. Even the King James Version renders some historical Greek presents as English past tenses; for instance, Matthew 3:1. That a historical present in the Greek in the midst of a context of the past tense is properly rendered in English as a past tense is recognized by the best of modern Bible translators. Dr. James Moffatt was on the Revised Standard Version Bible Committee, and note how he translates John 8:58 in his own version: "'Truly, truly I tell you,' said Jesus, 'I have existed before Abraham was born.'" Professor E. J. Goodspeed was a member of the American Standard Bible Committee, and his translation renders John 8:58 as follows: "Jesus said to them, 'I tell you, I existed before Abraham was born!'" Note other translations: Chas. Williams' The New Testament: "Then Jesus said to them, 'I most solemnly say to you, I existed before Abraham was born.'" A. S. Lewis' "The Four Gospels" According to the Sinaitic Palimpsest: "He said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I have been." The Twentieth Century New Testament: "'Believe me,' Jesus replied, 'before Abraham was born I was already what I am.'" G. M. Lamsa's The Modern New Testament: "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was born, I was." Jas. Murdock's The Syriac New Testament: "Jesus said to them: Verily, verily, I say to you, That before Abraham existed, I was." F. Pfaefflin's Das Neue Testament (German): "Jesus: 'Before there was an Abraham, I was already there [war ich schon da]!'" C. Stage's Das Neue Testament (German): "Jesus said to them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you: Before Abraham was born, I was [war ich].'" Nácar Colunga's Nuevo Testamento (Spanish): "Jesus answered: 'In truth, in truth, I say to you: Before Abraham was born, I was [era yo].'" F. Delitzsch's Hebrew New Testament and that by Salkinson-Ginsburg both have the verb in the perfect form "I have been" (haiithi) instead of in the imperfect form. From the above it is to be seen that the New World Translation is consistent with itself in rendering the historical present by rendering John 8:58 "I have been" instead of "I am." Since Jesus was here referring to an existence from before Abraham and continuing down till he spoke, the New World Translation rendered ego' eimi' as "I have been" instead of "I was." When any clerical critic tries to claim inaccuracy for the New World Translation at John 8:58, then he is indicting not only it but also all these other scholars, English and foreign language, of inaccuracy. He is entitled to take and accept the version that he prefers because of bias toward a religious doctrine, in this case the trinity, but yet it should be recognized that the New World Translation has plenty of support by acknowledged, widely known translators for its rendering at John 8:58.

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And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. Hebrews 6:11 – 12, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Sometimes it is necessary for faithful ones and their family to follow through with vows that are painful, but win Almighty God (YHWH) approval. One such case was Jephtah and his God fearing daughter which was reordered at Judges 11:34 - 39, [AV] “And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back. 36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon. 37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. 38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,” And this came about by a vow her father made that if he were given victory over Ammon per Judges 11:30 – 31, [AV] “And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, 31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’S, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.”

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In this chapter we have both the world and the church in a family, in a little family, in Adam’s family, and a specimen given of the character and state of both in after-ages, nay, in all ages, to the end of time. As all mankind were represented in Adam, so that great distinction of mankind into saints and sinners, godly and wicked, the children of God and the children of the wicked one, was here represented in Cain and Abel, and an early instance is given of the enmity which was lately put between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent

“And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.” (Genesis 4:1 AV)

This shows that man’s nature and the estate of marriage and God’s (YHWH’s) were not eliminater through sin, but he condition or quality of it was changed. Thus per the Lord’s promise, “ And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:” (Genesis 5:4 AV), and here in Genesis 4:1 we find EVE rejoicing for the son she had given birth to, whom she would offer to the Lord (YHWH) as the first fruits of her birth. Eve stated, I have gotten a man from the Lord, that is, by the help of the Lord, an expression of gratitude. She called his name Cain, which means, “a possession,” as if valued above everything else.

“And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.” (Genesis 4:2 AV).

Abel was literally, "a feeder of a flock," which, in Oriental countries, always includes goats as well as sheep. Abel, though the younger, is mentioned first, probably on account of the pre-eminence of his religious character.

“And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.” (Genesis 4:3 AV)

In process of time--Hebrew, "at the end of days," probably on the Sabbath. brought . . . an offering unto the Lord--Both manifested, by the very act of offering, their faith in the being of God (YHWH) and in His claims to their reverence and worship; and had the kind of offering been left to themselves, what more natural than that the one should bring, “And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: (Genesis 4:1-4 AV). This declares that the father instructed his children in the knowledge of God, and also how God gave them sacrifices to signify their salvation, though they were destitute of the ordinance of the tree of life.

Introduction Leviticus 10:1-2
“And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

The sons of Aaron.--If this incident occurred at the solemn period of the consecrating and dedicating the altar, these young men assumed an office which had been committed to Moses; or if it were some time after, it was an encroachment on duties which devolved on their father alone as the high priest. But the offense was of a far more aggravated nature than such a mere informality would imply. It consisted not only in their venturing unauthorized to perform the incense service--the highest and most solemn of the priestly offices--not only in their engaging together in a work which was the duty only of one, but in their presuming to intrude into the holy of holies, to which access was denied to all but the high priest alone. In this respect, "they offered strange fire before the Lord"; they were guilty of a presumptuous and unwarranted intrusion into a sacred office which did not belong to them. But their offense was more aggravated still; for instead of taking the fire which was put into their censers from the brazen altar, they seem to have been content with common fire and thus perpetrated an act which, considering the descent of the miraculous fire they had so recently witnessed and the solemn obligation under which they were laid to make use of that which was specially appropriated to the service of the altars, they betrayed a carelessness, an irreverence, a want of faith, most surprising and lamentable. A precedent of such evil tendency was dangerous, and it was imperatively necessary, therefore, as well for the priests themselves as for the sacred things, that a marked expression of the divine displeasure should be given for doing that which "God commanded them not."

“And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.” (Leviticus 10:2 AV).

There went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them--rather, "killed them"; for it appears that neither their bodies nor their robes were consumed “ So they went near, and carried them in their coats out of the camp; as Moses had said.” (Leviticus 10:5 AV). The expression, "from the Lord," indicates that this fire issued from the most holy place. In the destruction of these two young priests by the infliction of an awful judgment, the wisdom of God observed the same course, in repressing the first instance of contempt for sacred things, as he did at the commencement of the Christian dispensation, “But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. 11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.” (Acts 5:1-11 AV).

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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 874A]

A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name? 7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible. Malachi 1:6 – 8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Yes, they were polluting his alter by offering up animals with major malfunctions as recorded at Malachi 1:8 – 10, [authorized King James Bible; AV] “And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts. 9 And now, I pray you, beseech God that he will be gracious unto us: this hath been by your means: will he regard your persons? saith the LORD of hosts. 10 Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for nought? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the LORD of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.” And Malachi 1:12 – 14, [AV] “But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the LORD is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible. 13 Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the LORD of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the LORD. 14 But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.”

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[2] INFORMATION ON TRANSLATING:

"Translation is a task beset with many pitfalls, not least when Theology stands by to assist in the rendering of sacred Scripture. At best, interpretation is inevitably implicit in the task; for no man can be completely objective, nor can any tongue completely render the sense of another. . . .many [translators of the past] were guided in their rendering mainly by theological tenets [our comment: such as the "Trinity" doctrine]." From: Perry, Alfred M. (b.?-d.?).

"Translating the Greek Article," appearing within: "Journal of Biblical Literature." (Boston, Massachusetts: Society of Biblical Literature and Exegesis, vol.1-, 1890-), vol. LXVIII (68), (1949), part IV, p. 329. BS410 .J86 / 01- 9638
r882.

"Here I may observe, that, to persons uninitiated in the doctrines of Christianity, this passage [John 1:1c], and other obscure passages of the present Gospel, must have appeared unintelligible; yet by the disciples of the evangelist, already acquainted with his language on such subjects, they would be easily understood. Their previous knowledge
led them to the true explanation. At the present day, the readers of Scriptures have generally imbibed certain religious notions from education before they sit down to the task; and then, unconsciously, perhaps, but very naturally, they explain every difficulty in accordance with those notions. Hence it happens that men of every persuasion find the confirmation of their peculiar opinions in the sacred volumes: for, in fact, it is not the Scripture that informs them, but they that affix their own meaning to the language of Scripture."

From: Lingard, John (b.?-d.?). "A New Version of The Four Gospels with Notes Critical and Explanatory, by a Catholic." (London: J. Booker,
1836), p. 330. BS2553 .L5 / 06-30318.

"It is no wonder if [people] can accommodate Scripture expressions to their own dreams and fancies; for when men's fancies are so possessed with schemes and ideas of religion, whatever they look on appears of the same shape and colour wherewith their minds are already tintured . . . . All the metaphors, and similitudes, and allegories of
Scripture are easily applied to their purpose; and if any word sound like the tinkling of their own fancies, it is no less than a demonstration that that is the meaning of the Spirit of God; and every little shadow and appearance doth mightily confirm them in their preconceived opinions."

From: Sherlock, William (b.1641?-d.1707), D.D., Father of Bishop Sherlock, and Dean of St. Paul's. "Discources Concerning the Knowledge of Jesus Christ." (London: 1674),
chapter iii, section 4, p. 99.

The New American Standard Version and it's alternative rendering in it's marginal note to John 8:58's EGW EIMI.
Many of our readers/visitors may well be/are likely to be already aware that the New World Translation has come under criticism for rendering the Greek EGW EIMI (literally "I am") at John 8:58 as "I have been." For instance, CARM( 'Christian Apologetics Research Ministry') says that to so render is both grammatically and biblically incorrect. However, for the benefit of those who are cognisant of and for those who are not yet both not having actually seen the following we will here present the New American Standard Version's marginal translational note regarding John's EGW EIMI at 8:58.
The following is from the New American Standard Bible, New Testament, Moody Press, Chicago, 1963, "51,000" 3rd edition. Note the alternative rendering( 58-2)as given by the NASV translation Committee :-
John 8:58 NASV "Jesus said to them, "Truly, R686 truly, I say to you, before Abraham was F100 born, I R687 am."
FOOTNOTES:
F100: Or {did not leave}
CROSS REFERENCES:
R686: John 14:10f,20; 17:21,23
R687: John 7:30

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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 875A]

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Almighty God (YHWH) intended for one man and one women to create a family unit as highlighted by Matthew 19:4 - 9, [AV] “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery”

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[2] INTERESTING ITEMS ON ALMIGHTY GOD (YHWH)

Now those who became apostates are these, Arius, Achilles, Aeithales, Carpones, another Arius, and Sarmates, sometime Presbyters: Euzoius, Lucius, Julius, Menas, Helladius, and Gaius, sometime Deacons: and with them Secundus and Theonas, sometime called Bishops. And the novelties they have invented and put forth contrary to the Scriptures are these following: -God was not always a Father, but there was a time when God was not a Father. The Word of God was not always, but originated from things that were not; for God that is, has made him that was not, of that which was not; wherefore there was a time when He was not; for the Son is a creature and a work. Neither is He like in essence to the Father; neither is He the true and natural Word of the Father; neither is He His true Wisdom; but He is one of the things made and created, and is called the Word and Wisdom by an abuse of terms, since He Himself originated by the proper Word of God, and by the Wisdom that is in God, by which God has made not only all other things but Him also. Wherefore He is by nature subject to change and variation as are all rational creatures. And the Word is foreign from the essence of the Father, and is alien and separated there from. And the Father cannot be described by the Son, for the Word does not know the Father perfectly and accurately, neither can He see Him perfectly. Moreover, the Son knows not His own essence as it really is; for He is made for us, that God might create us by Him, as by an instrument; and He would not have existed, had not God wished to create us. Accordingly, when some one asked them, whether the Word of God can possibly change as the devil changed, they were not afraid to say that He can; for being something made and created, His nature is subject to change. (S. Alexander's Deposition of Arius and His Companions, and Encyclical Letter on the Subject. Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Series II, Vol. IV ).

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] TRUTH MAY NOT CONFORM TO OUR WAY OF THINKING

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 876A]

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. Genesis 1:21 – 22, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

This act of creation is emphasized at Genesis 2:7, [AV] “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” But, man drifted away from Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) purpose for mankind as recorded at Isaiah 64:6 – 12, [AV] “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. 7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. 8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. 9 Be not wroth very sore, O LORD, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people. 10 Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. 11 Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste. 12 Wilt thou refrain thyself for these things, O LORD? wilt thou hold thy peace, and afflict us very sore?”

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[2] TRUTH MAY NOT CONFORM TO OUR WAY OF THINKING

It is a little arrogant to assume that something is contradictory
simply because it does not conform to our way thinking and writing,
one which is thousands of years removed from the source. There are
difficulties which arise in reading authors where everything is
depicted and illustrated with the greatest variety and abundance of
imagery; they must be still more numerous in such of the ancient and
foreign poets, and in the Orientals above all others; as they are
the farthest from our customs and manners.
Imagine someone thousands of years from now digging up a book and
reading "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" only
to conclude the work was substandard because it is "contradictory."
An instance of a different viewpoint is when one points out that one
Scripture mentions something being done by Person A, whilst another
mentions it being done by Person B. This is best understood when we
grasp the Schaliach Principle, or the Jewish Law of Agency, which is
expressed in the dictum, "A person's agent is regarded as the person
himself." Therefore any act committed by a duly appointed agent is
regarded as having been committed by the principle." The
Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, R.J.Z. Werblowski and Geoffrey
Wigoder
Buchanan adds "a man's agent is like the man himself, not
physically, but legally. He has the power of attorney for the one
who sent him"
Understanding this law of agency will actually brighten our
understanding of many key texts, such as why the Judges and angels
were called "God" (Ex. 21:6; 22:8; Ps. 8:5; 82:1). Many more
instances could be provided, but brevity is in order here.
Scribal omissions and the degenerative quality of ancient
manuscripts abound also, as mentioned in Crow's submission of a
contradiction between whether David killed Goliath (1 Sa. 17:50) or
Elhanan did (2 Sa. 21:19). 1 Chr. 20:5 naturally has the fuller and
more correct reading of "the brother of Goliath," a reading that has
been restored in the NKJV based on internal evidence, evidence that
should not be ignored when reconstructing a damaged or corrupted
text.
As far as the creative days, and the "there was evening and there
was morning" as mentioned by Professor Crow, an understanding of the
Hebrew further clears things us the "days" mentioned are anarthrous
[lacking the article], and thereby creating a poetic sequential
device [Gleason Archer]. I think the best way to put this so that
the modern and Western mind could grasp was introduced in Ferrar
Fenton's translation of the Hebrew Genesis where Genesis 1:5 is
rendered, "This was the close and the dawn of the first age."
Instead of merely casting aside the Bible as an imperfect book when
it does not coincide with our limited world-view, this Book of Books
invites further investigation, even though it itself admits that not
all will grasp its wisdom.

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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 877A]

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Ecclesiastes 3:19 – 20, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Here the prophet is showing the vanity of life when one seeks great power, position and/or wealth, and this is emphasized also at Psalms 39:4 – 6, [AV] “LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am. 5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah. 6 Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them.”

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[2] LET’S CLEAR-UP THE CONFUSION ABOUT ALMIGHTY GOD (YHWH) AND JESUS (JESHUA OR YHWH SAVES): - PART 1, PART 2 IS 878A]

I see that confusion is obfuscating basic facts with respect Almighty God (YHWH) and his Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). One of the major problems is getting hung-up on minutia with regards definitions instead of thinking about Bible truths. But I hope I can clear it up for everyone. Let’s get back to basics and see what the Ten Commandments really say:
“And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 ¶ Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.” (Exodus 20:1-17 AV)
And what Jesus (Jeshua or JHVH saves) said about the two greatest commandments:
“Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (Matthew 22:36-40 AV)

Now I believe I can clear up the confusion that many individuals have with respect the Son of Almighty God (YHWH) when they ask questions about how many Gods there are, and make statements such as “The Bible clearly says that we are to not have any other gods, only the one true god.”

First, the Bible clearly says, “3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” (Exodus 20:3 AV). Now note exactly what it is saying, you shall NOT HAVE OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. In other words, no other god or deity shall be before him or on a standing equal to him. This is the Bible taught doctrine of monotheism that the Jews held for centuries before Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) came on the scene, even though his coming was prophecied over 500 times in the Old Testament. When Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) arrived and grew to be a man, he was asked what was the greatest commandment, and answered, “37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.” (Matthew 22:37 AV). Now we are ready to deal with the questions, about how many Gods there are, and make statements such as “The Bible clearly says that we are to not have any other gods, only the one true god.”

Second, Both of these statements, “3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” (Exodus 20:3 AV), and , “37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.” (Matthew 22:37 AV), clearly show there is only one Almighty God (YHWH) and that he demands exclusive devotion and we should love him with all our heart, soul, and mind. Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) always made this clearly known to all. He stated, “ Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28 AV), “ Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” (John 5:19 AV), and the Apostles said, “ And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:28 AV), “ But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 AV) clearly showing he occupied a lessor position, and therefore was NOT A GOD BEFORE HIS FATHER ALMIGHTY GOD (YHWH), so no violation of “3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” (Exodus 20:3 AV).

He always stated all glory belonged to his Father (YHWH) and what glory he had came from his Father (YHWH):
“ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” (Matthew 16:27 AV) – Note, in his Fathers glory not his own.
“They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.” (Mark 10:37-40 AV)—Note, this glory was not his to give but his Father’s (YHWH’s).
“ There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.” (Luke 17:18 AV)
“ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14 AV) – Note, in his Fathers glory not his own.
“ He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.” (John 7:18 AV) ) – Note, in his Fathers glory not his own.
“ When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.” (John 11:4 AV) – Note, in his Fathers glory not his own.
“ Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?” (John 11:40 AV) – Note, in his Fathers glory not his own.
“ And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5 AV)—Note he is asking his Father (YHWH) to give him back the glory that he had previously given him.
“ And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:” (John 17:22 AV) – Note, in his Fathers glory not his own.
“ Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” (John 17:24 AV) – Note, in his Fathers glory not his own.
“ But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,” (Acts 7:55 AV) –Note it says glory of God (YHWH) with his son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) standing on his right, but the Apostle said he was full of the Holy Ghost; therefore the Holy Ghost must be God’s (YHWH’s) active force and not a spirit being as the Apostle was, “being full of the Holy Ghost.”
“ And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.” (Acts 12:23 AV) –Note, this shows what happens when we fail to give glory to Almighty God (YHWH).
“ And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.” (Romans 1:23 AV)
“ He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;” (Romans 4:20 AV)
“ By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” (Romans 5:2 AV)
“ Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” (Romans 6:4 AV) –Note in whose glory, that of the Father, God Almighty (YHWH).
“ Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.” (Romans 15:7 AV) –Note in whose glory, that of the Father, God Almighty (YHWH).
“ To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. <<Written to the Romans from Corinthus, and sent by Phebe servant of the church at Cenchrea.>>” (Romans 16:27 AV)
“ For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20 AV)

As can be seen from the foregoing all glory belongs to Almighty God (YHWH) and he gives of it to whom he wishes including to his Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). This is clearly made clear by “ For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” (1 Timothy 2:5 AV), “ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16 AV), “ He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36 AV), “ But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.” (Hebrews 8:6 AV), “ And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.” (Hebrews 9:15 AV), “ And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.” (Hebrews 12:24 AV). Therefore, it can clearly be seen that Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) is the mediator of a new covenant between mankind and Almighty God (YHWH) and there is no other mediator.

Third, Jesus plainly said, “ Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (John 10:34 AV) This is part of scripture where he was being accused of blasphemy because he said he was the Son of Almighty God (YHWH), “Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.” (John 10:25-38 AV). Note, he called them gods, “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;” (John 10:24-35 AV). So this gets us back to what is the meaning of “3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” (Exodus 20:3 AV). Clearly in this context any entity at a higher plane
or level can be considered a god which would be the next one up from where you are in the superior/subordinate authority line given in “ But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 AV). So in that sense, the Son of Almighty God (YHWH) would be a god, but definitely not the Almighty God (YHWH). In fact his name in Hebrew literally means “YHWH saves” clearly showing that his Father ultimately “saves” individuals, but through his son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves). Now I believe this clears up the confusion with regard questions like, “how many Gods there are, and make statements such as “The Bible clearly says that we are to not have any other gods, only the one true god.”’

Part 2

Now to cover several other important areas with respect Almighty God (YHWH) being the supreme being and his son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) being an obedient son to him of lessor power, as a serious of questions and answers – using actual questions that have been asked by some individuals to illustrate Bible truths:

Item 1) All these verses that you bring up to prove that Jesus is not the almighty God, I accept. I accept everything that the Bible has to say, not just the parts that say what I want them to. You however deny the meaning of many verses that prove you wrong. How can you only accept parts of the Bible and not all of them.

Ans. You are very confused, I accept the entire Bible, but you seem to have a major problem realizing that Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) is Almighty God’s only begotten Son. Why, I have no idea as the scriptures are quite clear on this fact:
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Now just what is your problem in understanding with respect realizing this fact.

Item 2)(We are to trust as little children, why don't you? Why don't you want to accept all of the Bible? Why only the verses that prove YOUR point? If you love God then your point shouldn't matter.

Ans. You should be asking yourself that question not me as it appears you have a problem with accepting the scriptures as clearly pointed out to you in item 1. Now please open your mind and learn what a Father and a Son are:
Note that this special son is not talked about as already existing and taking on a new form as The Trinitarian Doctrine would require it. In fact, how can a son be co-equal and co-existent with his father? The Doctrine of The Trinity defies the universally accepted and historically always held meaning of the words for father and son. Not only does it defy the meaning of these words, it destroys their meaning! This fact is important to realize for God gave us language. It was not invented by man as the evolutionist tries to say. Thus, we are not destroying man made terms, but God-given terms! These terms, as given to us by God, require that the father exists before the son, and for the son to be brought into existence by the father. This universally accepted and recognized definition is what these terms have meant from the beginning of this creation. Therefore, who has given anyone the authority to change these God-given terms now? In fact, The Lord Jesus Christ verifies the meaning of these terms when he says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him." John 13:16 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28. Here, he establishes that God is his lord, that he was sent by his lord, that God is his Father, and that his Father is greater than he himself. How could any of these declarations be true if the Doctrine of The Trinity is true? It is clearly impossible for these declarations of The Lord Jesus Christ to be true and the Doctrine of The Trinity to be True! It is easy to see that these words of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Doctrine of the Trinity are mutually exclusive and opposing views!

“ And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.” (Luke 2:52 AV)

Now note, “ Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;” (Hebrews 5:8 AV), he, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) had to learn obedience by that which he suffered and as he was growing up he “ And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.” (Luke 2:52 AV). So he did not start off with wisdom, but it had to increase as he grewup. If he was God, then how could such a statement apply? Isn't God omniscient? Isn't this passage teaching us that this special son would have to go through a learning process like every other normal natural human being? Isn't it telling us that he at one time did not know the difference between good and evil? Isn't it teaching us that he would have to learn to refuse the evil and choose the good? The answer to these questions is obviously yes! It doesn't take someone with a doctorate degree to answer them. In fact, the only too obvious answer to all of these questions destroys The Trinitarian concept of this special son. Furthermore, this conclusion from these passages is verified by what is said about The Lord Jesus Christ in The New Testament. Consider the following passages:
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:40.
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. Luke 2:52.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matt. 24:36.
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32.
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. John 5:20.
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Acts 1:7
The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John. Rev. 1:1.
At this point, let us briefly look at the implications of the above listed passages. We will take them in the order in which we quoted them.
In Luke 2:40, we have the natural process of growth in any descendant of Adam clearly set out and applied to the Lord Jesus Christ. If the Lord Jesus Christ is God, then how can he be said to increase in strength? Does this mean that he became a weak human child? How can God lose His strength and still be called God? In this weakened state couldn't the God of the Universe have been wiped out? Next, how could Jesus , if he was God, need to increase in spirit? Does this mean God decreased His normal quantity of spirit? If so, then how did He refill Himself with it once again? Again, wouldn't this have exposed the God of the universe to the potential of being destroyed? Now notice that the grace of God was upon him. If he was God, then why was the grace of God upon him? Doesn't this show that God is God and separate from Jesus? How can any other meaning be obtained from this statement? Furthermore, why was God in need of grace? Doesn't it seem strange that He would be extending grace to Himself? In that case, shouldn't the grace be found in and not upon Himself? Also, remember that grace is unmerited divine favor. Was God placing favor that He did not earn upon Himself? Doesn't this reveal how fundamentally wrong The Doctrine of The Trinity is? Now let us proceed to the next passage which will further reveal how wrong this doctrine is.

In Luke 2:52 we are told that "Jesus ... increased in wisdom ... increased in stature ... increased in favour with God and man.
If Jesus is God, how can he increase in wisdom? Did God empty Himself of wisdom and have to be refilled with it all over again? How could He regain this wisdom once He had let go of it? How is it possible for Him to remove His wisdom and still be considered God? Is there such a thing as an unwise God? It would seem to me that to ask such a question is to answer it! Furthermore, it seems to me that He would be exposing Himself to any crafty individual by doing such an obviously absurd thing. It definitely seems that He was opened up to being outsmarted by almost anyone wiser than He at the time. Also, who was maintaining His universe when he was in such a weakened and unwise state? Now notice that he had to increase in favor with God. Does this mean that He had to increase in favor with Himself? How can it be said that he increased in favor with God unless he wasn't God? Obviously, God is viewed as God in this passage and Jesus as separate from and in need of God's favor like every other human being. In fact, these passages are emphasizing how identical to us Jesus was at that time! This fact is

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But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11:28, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

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important when we come to look at the atonement and what was accomplished in Jesus' death. We will leave that for a future discussion. Notice, also, that it says Jesus increased in favor with man as well as with God. If Jesus is God, and, therefore, the Creator of man, then, why is it important for him to increase in favor with man who is His creation? None of this makes any sense if The Doctrine of The Trinity is true. If Jesus was really a man and had just come into existence at that time, then all of these passages make perfect sense. If you feel all of this creates insurmountable problems for this doctrine, then wait and see what is coming next!

In Matt. 24:36 and Mark 13:32, we are informed that there is knowledge which no one, man, or angel, or he, Jesus, possesses but only The Father! If Jesus is God, coequal with the Father, then, how is it that he acknowledges that the Father possesses knowledge that he himself, just like other men, does not possess?
How can one part of The Trinity be said to know something that the other part does not know? Isn't this nonsensical to say the least? Notice Jesus puts himself in the same category with the rest of Adam's race with respect to this knowledge. How can he still be God if he knows no more than other men on this subject? Doesn't this show that God is separate and distinct from the son and superior to and not co-equal with him? Obviously, it does!

We now arrive at John 5:20 where we are informed that the Father loves the son. Does this really mean that He is in love with Himself? Isn't this conceit? We are also informed that the Father was educating His son: "and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel." If Jesus is God, then why is it necessary to shew himself all things that he himself is doing? If he is omniscient, then, why does he have to be shown all things?
Doesn't the Doctrine of The Trinity make a farce out of this very beautiful passage of The Father loving and educating His son? Again, doesn't this passage demonstrate that The Father is separate from and superior to the son and not co-equal with him? It seems to me that it does if considered objectively and logically. By the way, being logical is being appealed to for this is the way The Creator made us so that He can reason with us in a very objective and sensible manner.

Notice what He says in Isaiah 1:18, "Come now, and let us reason together, saith Yahweh ...." Also, in Rom. 12:1, "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable [LOGIKOS, pertaining to the reason, rational, (English, logical) ..." E.W. Bullinger, A CRITICAL LEXICON AND CONCORDANCE TO THE ENGLISH AND GREEK NEW TESTAMENT, page 625.] service." Thus, The Doctrine of The Trinity defies the very fundamental way The Creator has made us. It is a totally illogical and irrational doctrine. It is a doctrine that must be offered without explanation because it can not be logically explained. In addition, Faith involves our capacity to reason logically on the evidence that God has offered to us so that we can be persuaded that He exists and is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. (Hebrews 11:6) Paul also informs us that we are saved by grace through faith in Ephesians 2:8. Grace is the means and faith is the channel. Thus, logically being persuaded of God's provisions is the channel through which God's grace proceeds! We will now proceed to the next passage.

In Acts 1:7, we are again confronted with a declaration that there is knowledge that is solely in the control of The Father. Remember, this declaration is being made after his resurrection and matches exactly what he had said before. He is no longer checked by mortality. He is immortal and incorruptible. He has been glorified. In spite of these facts, he clearly declares that there are things which are only in the power of the Father! How can this possibly be if he is co-equal with the Father and is the second person of The Trinity?

Item 3) I get everything that you say. I know that the Father was living in the son. Don't forget that he did have to give up glory. But the bible also says that we are to call no man on earth father right. So, knowing this, the verse that says that Jesus is to be called "everlasting Father" tells us that he must actually be the Father. Why? Well because we are to call any man other than the actual Father in heaven...Father. Now why would the Bible be telling us to only call God in heaven Father and Jesus on earth Father and still tell us not to call any one but the Father in heaven Father? That just doesn't make sense....unless....Jesus is God. Which he is.

Ans. Let’s see why the Bible can call Jesus “everlasting Father” and in what frame of reference as clearly you lack an adequate understanding of this phrase. Now we understand that The Son is not The Father. So why does it say in Isaiah 9:6 that The Son will be called “Everlasting Father”? Let’s look at some scripture, John 17:22-26 AV, “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” “ Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” (John 14:10 AV); The Father dwells in the Son, so now we know why The Son is “called” Everlasting Father, because the Everlasting Father is in the Son. So the understanding is: If I come to The Son and say to him “Father”, he will reply, Yes, Son?”. But why is he called the mighty God? The Father is the Almighty God, so if I come to The Son and say to him “mighty God”, he will reply, “Yes, what can I do for you?”. This is because the Almighty God (YHWH) dwells in The Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). To sumarize, I will provide some scripture for a further understanding, “ Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.” (Colossians 1:12-29 AV), “ And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” (1 John 5:20 AV), and this is one of my favorite scriptures that explains that The True God is in The Son, and we are in The True God who is in The Son, try reading the scriptures above where the Father is in The Son and we in The Father and we in The Son. So now the understanding is clear that the Son is not the Almighty God (YHWH), and the Son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), is not the Everlasting Father. Let the truth be known, “ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:” (Deuteronomy 6:4 AV), this is Unsullied Monotheism That Does Not Support Unity For Another.

For more information go to the resources mentioned in these writings and especially to the following Links: (sarajane, please go to these links and start learning instead of posting confused post) http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/default.htm (The Two Babylons, by Rev. Alexander Hilsop) http://reslight.addr.com/greatdebate.html (The Great Debate Regarding The Father, Son & Holy Spirit; An exhaustive verse-by-verse, side-by-side; by Roger Wagner) http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/bsl/Library/Doctrine/Trinity/Debate/TGD1.pdf (book on great trinitarian/arius debate on line) http://www.christianeducational.org/faq/v1i3.pdf http://www.antipas.org/magazine/editor/trinity/letter1.html (against Trinity clearly shows father and son different) http://www.tellway-publishing.com ("Jesus-God or the Son of God?" by Brian Holt – one of the best) http://members.aol.com/hector3001/christology.htm

Item 4)Now even without what I just told you. 1 Timothy 3:16 still says that "great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh." Now what does this mean? Well, it doesn't need to be interpreted, it is in plain english and states that our God was made flesh. God made flesh. hmmm must be Jesus. There is no arguing with this fact. I do hope you will understand. Just don't expect to understand everything perfectly. God is a bit above us and our puny human minds just can't comprehend him fully. We are to trust like little children. Questioning how God could be is not doing that now is it?

Ans. “ And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” (1 Timothy 3:16 AV)

First to fully understand this scripture which is perhaps one of the least understood in the Bible it is necessary to examine the scripture before it “ But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” (1 Timothy 3:15 AV), This brings out the need to examine our faith, when a church ceases to be the pillar and ground of truth, we should forsake her; this is so as truth should be first and greatest.

Let’s examine this scripture, 1 Timothy 3:16, by parts.
a) “And evidently great is the mystery of godliness,” This is the mystery of godliness in Christ, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). Eventually when “ But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,” (Galatians 4:4 AV), “ Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,” (Romans 16:25 AV). His primary purpose for his coming was to provide a ransom for all of mankind “ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” (Romans 5:12 AV). Also, Jesus came “ Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” (Matthew 20:28 AV). This delivered the definitive answer to the issue raised by God’s Adversary that he could turn all men against God (YHWH) “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.” (Job 1:7-11 AV) and provided the means for redeeming obedient mankind from sin and death through the ransom sacrifice of his Son.

b) “which was manifested in the flesh,” God (YHWH) was pleased to manifest his qualities by having his own son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), take on the nature of a man, “ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14 AV). When he was on earth in the flesh, “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” (Philipians 2:5-8 AV), remember, “ Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.” (1 Corinthians 15:34 AV).

c) “was justified in the spirit,” Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) Christ, after maintaining his faithfulness until death, was “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.” (1 Corinthians 15:42-45 AV), “ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:” (1 Peter 3:18 AV). He was “(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:” (Romans 1:24 AV). Christ was raised again by the Spirit, and so was justified from all the false charges made against him.

d) “appeared unto angels,” Angels ministered to him, for he is the Lord of angels “ Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.” (1 Peter 3:22 AV). These were made subject to him, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) so he could carry out the assignment given to him by his Father (YHWH), “20 ¶ But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:20-28 AV).

e) “hath been preached unto the Gentiles,” The Gentiles welcomed the gospel which the Jews rejected, and await “ For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:” (Romans 6:5 AV). We must, “If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church: 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;” (Colossians 1:23-25 AV). God’s (YHWH’s) active force or Holy Ghost was sent to his followers “ Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.” (1 Peter 1:12 AV).

f) “is believed in the world.” Let us remember that God through his son was manifest in the flesh, to take away our sins, to redeem us from all iniquity, and to purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These doctrines must be shown forth by the fruits of the Spirit in our lives “ Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:” (Colossians 1:6 AV). However, we must be constantly alert because, “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;” (2 Peter 2:1-4 AV).

g) “is taken up in glory.” Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) Christ now sits at the right hand of God (YHWH) in Heaven itself “ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.” (Mark 16:19 AV), “ And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.” (Luke 24:51 AV), “ What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?” (John 6:62 AV), “ Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;” (John 13:3 AV), “ I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” (John 16:28 AV), “ And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5 AV), “ Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:” (Acts 1:2 AV), “ He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)” (Ephesians 4:10 AV), “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” (Hebrews 1:2-3 AV), “ Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;” (Hebrews 8:1 AV), “ Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” (Hebrews 12:2 AV), “ Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.” (1 Peter 3:22 AV)
As can be seen, you are a little confused with respect your understanding of this scripture as you are with much of the Bible.

Item 5)Who are you and I to say that who he is, is impossible? We have no right. We just don't.
I know that you think that Jesus was some god but not the God. Well, that is breaking a commandment.

Ans. It matters not what you thing or I think, it only matters what the Bible says and for that reason all need to open your mind and get a better understanding.

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] THE FATE OF ONE PROPONENT OF THE BIBLE ALL SHOULD KNOW ABOUT

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 879A]

For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. 11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:10 – 11, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

And this is re-stated in the New Testament at Matthew 5:5, [AV] “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.” And Revelation 21:3 - 5, [AV] shows that all things will be made new and that the earth will be a paradise, “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”

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[2] THE FATE OF ONE PROPONENT OF THE BIBLE ALL SHOULD KNOW ABOUT:

The Facts With Respect The Murder of William Tyndale:

First, the facts about what William Tyndale did and who did not like it and arranged to put his to death, Note who most opposed his translation, Archbishop Warham (Catholic) and of Bishop Cuthbert Tunstall (Catholic):

But in London Tyndale was firmly rebuffed when he sought the support of Bishop Cuthbert Tunstall, who was uneasy, like many highly placed churchmen, with the idea of the Bible in the vernacular. Tyndale, with the help of Humphrey Monmouth, a merchant of means, left England under a false name and landed at Hamburg in 1524. He had already begun work on the translation of the New Testament. He visited Luther at Wittenberg and in the following year completed his translation. The printing was begun with William Roye, another reformist Cambridge man, at Cologne. But Roye was indiscreet and the work was soon being talked about. The city magistrates, at the behest of the anti-Lutheran theologian Johannes Cochlaeus, ordered the printing to stop. Only a few sheets were saved before Tyndale fled to Worms; among them was that containing his Prologue, which was later enlarged and called A Pathway into the Holy Scripture.

The printing was successfully carried out at Worms. Copies of the New Testament in English arrived in Tyndale's country in 1526, and the work was given a very hostile reception by the Church [Catholic]. The reforming movement had insisted, since the time of John Wycliffe, that the scriptures should be available to everyone and not kept in the hands of the establishment so that they could make their own rules. But while the established Church could make no real case against a Bible in the vernacular, it could rest on its massive authority and mutter threateningly about tendentious comment - and Tyndale's New Testament carried a great deal of comment. Tunstall (predictably) and Archbishop Warham denounced it; so did Thomas More, who was against every manifestation of Luther's Reformation. Wolsey demanded Tyndale's arrest as a heretic.

Eventually an English spy in the Netherlands, Henry Phillips, betrayed Tyndale to the imperial authorities. He was arrested in Antwerp in 1535 and confined in the castle of Vilvorde, near Brussels. He was tried on a charge of heresy in 1536 and condemned to the stake in spite of Thomas Cromwell's attempt to intercede on his behalf. He was mercifully strangled before the fires were lighted. He left the manuscript of his translation of the Old Testament books Joshua to the Second Book of Chronicles. In the year of Tyndale's death his New Testament in English was actually printed in England and before long other scholars were hurrying the great work to completion. The climate of reform had helped the matter along and Henry VIII encouraged it.
www.hertford.ox.ac.uk/alumni/tyndale.htm

Second, what others had to say about William Tyndale:

Tyndale had spoken to the consciences of his hearers, and some of them were beginning to believe that his cause was the cause of the Gospel. ‘Truly,’ exclaimed the procurator-general, as did formerly the centurion near the cross; ‘truly this was a good, learned, and pious man.’ But the priests would not allow so costly a prey to be snatched from them. Tyndale was declared guilty of erroneous, captious, rash, ill-sounding, dangerous, scandalous, and heretical propositions, and was condemned to be solemnly degraded and then handed over to the secular power. They were eager to make him go through the ceremonial, even all the mummeries, used on such occasions: it was too good a case to allow of any curtailment. The reformer was dressed in his sacerdotal robes, the sacred vessels and the Bible were placed in his hands, and he was taken before the bishop. The latter, having been informed of the crime of the accused man, stripped him of the ornaments of his order, took away the Bible from the translator of the Bible; and after a barber had shaved the whole of his head, the bishop declared him deprived of the crown of the priesthood, and expelled, like an undutiful child, from the inheritance of the Lord.

The faint hope which some of Tyndale’s friends had entertained, on seeing the delay of justice, was soon destroyed. The imperial government prepared at last to complete the wishes of the priests. Friday, the 6th of October, 1536, was the day that terminated the miserable but glorious life of the reformer. The gates of the prison rolled back, a procession crossed the foss and the bridge, under which slept the waters of the Senne, passed the outward walls, and halted without the fortifications. Before leaving the castle, Tyndale, a grateful friend, had intrusted the jailer with a letter intended for Poyntz; the jailer took it himself to Antwerp not long after, but it has not come down to us. On arriving at the scene of punishment, the reformer found a numerous crowd assembled. The government had wished to show the people the punishment of a heretic, but they only witnessed the triumph of a martyr. Tyndale was calm. ‘I call God to record,’ he could say, ‘that I have never altered, against the voice of my conscience, one syllable of his Word. Nor would do this day, if all the pleasures, honors, and riches of the earth might be given me.’
The joy of hope filled his heart: yet one painful idea took possession
www.williamtyndale.com/0d...yndale.htm

Third, the attempts by the Catholic church to make him recant and this by the authority of the canons that came out of the Council of Lateran that is still in effect and would be used against Protestants, JWs, Jews, and Muslims if the church had the power to carry it out as shown by the recent legal skirmish in France:

When Tyndale heard of this escape, he knew what it indicated; but he was not overwhelmed, and almost at the foot of the scaffold, he bravely fought many a tough battle. The Louvain doctors undertook to make him abjure his faith, and represented to him that he was condemned by the Church. ‘The authority of Jesus Christ,’ answered Tyndale, ‘is independent of the authority of the Church.’ They called upon him to make submission to the successor of the Apostle Peter. ‘Holy Scripture,’ he said, ‘is the first of the Apostles, and the ruler in the kingdom of Chrst.’ The Romish doctors ineffectually attacked him in his prison: he showed them that they were entangled in vain traditions and miserable superstitions, and overthrew all their pretences.

Most of the reformers, Luther, Zuingle, Calvin, Knox, and others have acquired that name by their preachings, their writings, their struggles, and their actions. It is not so with the principal reformer of England: all his activity was concentered in the Holy Scriptures. Tyndale was less prominent than the other instruments of God, who were awakened to upraise the Church. We might say, that knowing the weakness of man, he had retired and hidden himself to allow the Word from Heaven to act by itself. He had studied it, translated it, and sent it over the sea: it must now do its own work. Is it not written: The field is the World, and the seed is the Word? But there is another characteristic, or rather another fact, which distinguishes him from them, and this we have to describe.

While the new adversaries of Henry VIII., Pole and the papistical party, were agitating on the continent, Tyndale, the man whom the king had pursued so long without being able to catch, was in prison at Vilvorde, near Brussels. In vain was he girt around with the thick walls of that huge fortress. Tyndale was free. ‘There is the captivity and bondage,’ he could say, ‘whence Christ delivered us, redeemed and loosed us. His blood, his death, his patience in suffering rebukes and wrongs, his prayers and fastings, his meekness and fulfilling of the uttermost point of the law broke the bonds of Satan, wherein we were so strait bound.’ Thus Tyndale was as truly free at Vilvorde, as Paul had been at Rome. He felt pressed to accomplish a vow made many years before. ‘If God preserves my life,’ he had said, ‘I will cause a boy that driveth a plow to know more of the Scriptures than the pope.’ True Christianity shows itself by the attention it gives to Christ’s little ones. It was time for Tyndale to keep his promise. He occupied his prison hours in preparing for the humble dwellers in the Gloucestershire villages and the surrounding counties, an edition of the Bible in which he employed the language and orthography used in that part of England.

When near his end, he returned lovingly to the familiar speech of his childhood; he wrote in the dialect of the peasantry to save the souls of the peasants, and for the first time put titles to the chapters of the Scripture, in order to make the understanding of it easier to his humbler fellow-countrymen. Two other editions of the New Testament appeared during the first year of his captivity. He did more: he had translated the Old Testament according to the Hebrew text, and was going to see to the printing of it just when Philips betrayed him. The fear that this labor would be lost grieved him even more than his imprisonment: a friend undertook the work he could no longer do himself.

At that time there lived at Antwerp, as chaplain to the English merchants in that city, a young man from the county of Warwick, named Rogers, who had been educated at Cambridge, and was a little more than thirty years old. Rogers was learned, but submissive to the Romish traditions. Tyndale having made his acquaintance, asked him to help in translating the Holy Scriptures, and Rogers caught joyfully at the opportunity of employing his Greek and Hebrew. Close and constant contact with the Word of God gradually effected in him that great transformation, that total renewal of the man which is the object of redemption. ‘I have found the true light in the Gospel,’ he said one day to Tyndale; ‘I now see the filthiness of Rome, and I cast from my shoulders the heavy yoke it had imposed upon me.’ From that hour Tyndale received from

Rogers the help which he had formerly received from John Frith, that pious martyr, whose example Rogers was to follow by enduring, the first under Mary, the punishment of fire.
The Holy Scriptures have been written in English with the blood of martyrs — if we may so speak the blood of Frith, Tyndale, and Rogers: it is a crown of glory for that translation. At the moment of Tyndale’s perfidious arrest, Rogers had fortunately saved the manuscript of the Old Testament, and now resolved to delay the printing no longer. When the news of this………….. He has lain in my house three quarters of a year, and I know that the king has never a truer-hearted subject. When the pope gave his Majesty the title of Defender of the Faith, he prophesied like Caiaphas. The papists thought our prince should be a great maintainer of their abominations; but God has entered his grace into the right battle. The king should know that the death of this man will be one of the highest pleasures to the enemies of the Gospel. If it might please his Majesty to send for this man, it might, by the means thereof, be opened to the court and council of this country (Brabant) that they would be at another point with the bishop of Rome within a short space.’ [Excerpted from HISTORY OF THE REFORMATION IN THE TIME OF CALVIN by J.H. Merle d’Aubigne]

Fourth, who were the major religious players who worked to do in William Tyndale and what were their religious affiliations from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

Cuthbert Tunstall
Bishop of London, later of Durham, b. at Hackforth, Yorkshire, in 1474; d. at Lambeth Palace, 18 Nov., 1559. He studied both at Oxford and Cambridge, finally graduating LL.D. at Padua. Being an accomplished scholar both in theology and law, as well as in Greek and Hebrew, he soon won the friendship of Archbishop Warham, who on 25 Aug., 1511, made him his chancellor, and shortly after rector of Harrow-on-the-Hill. He became successively a canon of Lincoln (1514) and archdeacon of Chester (1515). He began his diplomatic career as ambassador at Brussels, in conjunction with Sir Thomas More, and there he lodged with Erasmus, becoming the intimate friend of both of them. Further preferments and embassies fell to his lot, till in 1522 he was appointed Bishop of London by papal provision. On 25 May, 1523, he became keeper of the privy seal; but neither the work this entailed nor fresh embassies prevented him from making a visitation of his diocese. A visit to Worms (1520-1) had opened his eyes to the dangers of the Lutheran movement and the evils arising from heretical literature. In the divorce question Tunstall acted as one of Queen Katherine's counsel, but he endeavoured to dissuade her from appealing to Rome. On 21 Feb., 1529-30, he was translated by the pope from the Diocese of London to the more important See of Durham, a step which involved the assumption of quasi-regal power and authority within the bishopric (see DURHAM, ANCIENT CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF). During the troubled years that followed, Tunstall was far from imitating the constancy of [St. John] Fisher and [St. Thomas] More, yet he ever held to Catholic doctrine and practices. He adopted a policy of passive obedience and acquiescence in many matters with which he could have had no sympathy. With regard to the suppression of the monasteries, the king's ministers so feared his influence that they prevented his attendance at Parliament. [source, The Catholic Encyclopedia]

William Warham
Archbishop of Canterbury, born at Church Oakley, Hampshire, about 1450; died at Hackington, near Canterbury, 22 August, 1532. He was educated at Winchester School and New College, Oxford, of which he became a fellow in 1475. Having taken his doctorate of laws he left Oxford in 1488, to become an advocate in the ecclesiastical courts in London, but two years later he returned to Oxford as principal of the school of civil law. His ability caused him to be employed o several foreign embassies, and his success obtained for him much ecclesiastical preferment. He became precentor of Wells (1493), rector of Barley (1495), archdeacon of Huntingdon (1497), and rector of Cottenham (1500). On 13 February, 1494, he had been appointed to the important legal office of Master of the Rolls. While absent on one of his frequent missions abroad he was elected Bishop of London (October, 1501), but was not consecrated till 25 September, 1502. In the interval he had resigned the office of Master of the Rolls, and had been appointed to the more important post of Keeper of the Great Seal. So great was his reputation for learning and ability that fresh honours followed rapidly. On 29 November, 1503, Pope Julius II nominated him as Archbishop of Canterbury, and on 21 January, 1504, the king made him Lord Chancellor of England. He received the pallium at Lambeth on Candelmas Day and was enthroned at Canterbury on 9 March. He took a leading part in all important national business, and his powers as an orator were in much demand on great occasions of state. His university of Oxford chose him as Chancellor in 1506. [source, The Catholic Encyclopedia]

Now you all have the evidence and can clearly see who is twisting historical facts and Biblical truths with long and distorted post and it is not I, but one doing the insidious work of a church bent on regaining almost total power.

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] RELIGION CLOUDS CLONING DEBATE:

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 880A]

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Jeremiah 29:11, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

And what is required is shown as Psalms 33:8 – 11, [AV] “Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast. 10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect. 11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.”

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[2] RELIGION CLOUDS CLONING DEBATE:

Come with me into Cohen's lab. We are going to do some cloning.
I have a client with Parkinson's disease, and so I take a cell from his tongue, extract the DNA from it, insert it into a human egg, zap the egg with electricity , add some chemicals (sorry , the exact fonnula is secret) , wait about a day, extract the cells my patient needs and inject them into his brain so - knock on wood - he will have Parkinson's no more. It is at this point, if certain lawmakers have their way, that the cops will burst in, cuff me and throw me in jail for possibly 10 years.

How much of this is science fiction?

Well, not the very first part about extracting the cell from the tongue and inserting the DNA into an egg. And not, would you believe, the last part, either. If a bill sponsored by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., passes, human cloning of any kind - even just for medical purposes - will become illegal.
This bill already has passed the House. You might have noticed that at no time was my human egg fertilized. So if you believe that life begins at conception, you are ! not getting life with this process. You might, I have noticed also that I did not let the process proceed for more than a day or so. I did not implant the egg into a womb, nor did I grow it to tenn in the lab. Even if I had done so, the bioethicist Arthur Caplan tells me, I probably would not have gotten a child out of the process.

But what you should notice above all is that my goal- my sole intention - is to alleviate human misery. I want to cure Parkinson's or Alzheimer's. I want to replace defective cells with brand new ones. I don't want to make so-called designer babies, nor, for that matter, is there any chance at the moment I could. As a matter of fact as a matter of sad, sad fact - I cannot at the moment even make the cells I want.

Someday, maybe, I can. Someday, I which is to say "we" - can have cures for diseases that now make life so miserable for so many. The Brownback bill is supported by President Bush. No surprise. In general, if you scratch an anti-cloner, you will find someone opposed to abortion. (Although some pretty implacable abortion foes such as Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and former President Ford oppose the ban.) And, mostly, if you scratch someone in favor of experimental cloning (almost no one supports it for human reproduction) , you will find someone supportive of abortion rights. So this debate r~ally is an extension of our cultural division. It is, at bottom, about sex how to control it, how to punish it.

Sen. Brownback and his supporters are entitled to their beliefs. But they are primarily religious ones - a determination that life begins when they believe it does. They feel so strontlY about this that, in the Republican- ontrolled House, they rejected a substitute bll that would have permitted cloning for Medical purposes only. Why? Because ultimately, they want to declare the fetus or the electrically zapped egg a person, protected by the Constitution. To destroy it is murder. Goodbye abortion. {{Note, abortion is really murder of the unborn in violation of Exodus 20:13.]]

But this bill is nothing less than an attempt to impose a religious doctrine on the rest of us. Lt is not that far removed from the Vatican:'s attempt to silence Galileo because he s1ilPPorted the Copernican theory that the Earth revolved around the sun. It is an attempt by legislative fiat to stop science in its tracks: Thou Shalt Remain Ignorant, But even the Vatican couldn't keep the .

Earth from revolving around the sun. And not even Congress can stop medical re- .
search elsewhere in the world. If the rape~~ tic cloning can be done, it will be done - . and the desperate (not to mention the affluent) will get on airplanes for their treatmient. The rest will suffer or die - all in the name of person hood for a bunch of cells in a 'petri dish.

I distantly fear, in some late-night movie sort of way, mad scientists giggling in the lab, whipping up batches of Saddam Husseins. But in medical research - medical research above all- it is inconceivable that the government would use its police powers not to impose standards but to enforce ignorance and, as a consequence, hu..
man suffering. I don't think a cloned cell.is a person. But I am sure a Parkinson's sufferer is.

Richard Cohen is a columnist for The Washington Post. His e-mail address is cohenr @washpost. Com (from The Palm Beach Post, page 3E, Sunday, June 2, 2002)

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] PROPHETIC EVENTS SIGNS THAT WE ARE LIVING IN THE LAST DAYS

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 881A]

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:18, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

It is imperative that we run from fornication which is a sin against one’s own body. This is clearly highlighted at Joshua 1:7 – 9, [AV] “Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest. 8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. 9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.”

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[2] PROPHETIC EVENTS SIGNS THAT WE ARE LIVING IN THE LAST DAYS

The events of September 11, 2001, were not specifically mentioned in the Bible, but are apart of the general signs of the last days or end time. For this reason, all genuine Christians must be ever vigilant as governmental leaders offer little hope. But, a reliable explanation of these distressing times or days is available in God’s word, the Bible, which serves as a guide for us to see where we are in the stream of time of Bible prophecy. It shows us that we are in the end days of the present system of things, “1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Timothy 3:1 AV).

To get a better understanding of the time, Jesus gave to some questions raised by his disciples, three days before he died, the following answers. The first question was, “ And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” (Matthew 24:3 AV). To this question, Jesus told of specific world events and situations that would clearly show that this ungodly system had entered its end days, “4 ¶ And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:4-13 AV).

In fact, there is now strong evidence that God’s Kingdom has started to rule in heaven. We are informed, “ The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.” (Psalms 110:2 AV), this scripture clearly shows that for a time Jesus would rule “in the midst of his enemies.” His first act as a heavenly King was to throw Satan and his demon angles out of Heaven and down to earth, “ And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (Revelation 12:9 AV). Of course all the other angels in heaven would rejoice at this, but what would the consequences be for those on the earth? He would of course come down to earth with great anger and conditions would grow progressively worse on earth, “10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 ¶ Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” (Revelation 12:10-12 AV).

Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) when asked what the sign of his presence as ruler in heaven and of the conclusion of the system of things would be, replied, “ For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.” (Matthew 24:7 AV). Many other signs of the last days and how the greater number of the people will react are given in the Bible, for example, “3 ¶ Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 ¶ Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” (2 Peter 3:13 Av); “34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:34-39 AV), “1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Timothy 3:1-7 AV).

All these are in reality signs of the last days and hatred of fellow man, deviant sex, hedonism, greed (shown by the rise in crime and violence), etc., we are now seeing, not just in one country, but everywhere in the world. The drug trade is now a major item; whereas, 25 years ago in was insignificant; AIDS is now becoming an ever increasing plague upon mankind, and as we all know the world is not a peaceful place as the events of September 11, 2001 really made known to all. These are all features of the last days (end time) foretold in prophecy. One historian, professor Hugh Thomas stated, “The twentieth century has been dominated by the machine gun, the tank, the B-52, the nuclear bomb and, finally the missile. Ht has been marked by wars more bloody and destructive than those of any other age.” This is in keeping with, “ And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.” (Mark 13:7 AV), and other scriptures. Also, food shortages were prophecied, “6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.” (Revelation 6:6-8 AV). We have seen over 20 major famines in recent years in areas that include Bangladesh, Burundi, Cambodia, Ethiopis, Greece, India, Nigeria, Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan, etc. With respect pestilences and earthquakes, “ And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.” (Luke 21:11 AV) were predicted in the Bible as one of the signs of the last days. Now AIDS looms as a reminder of this prophecy and the many earthquakes in various places which in the last 50 years have become much more numerous.

However, the most telling sign of the last days is that men will be lovers of money and greedy and materialistic “2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” (2 Timothy 3:2-5 AV). And children will be disobedient and have no natural affection for parents as also shown in 2 Timothy 3:2.

Last, Jesus foretold that the good news of the Kingdom we pray for “9 ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
9 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:9-10 AV).
This preaching of the good news of the kingdom was foretold by Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) as follows, “ And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Matthew 24:14 AV)

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] FALSE RELIGION HOLDS WOMEN GUILTY BECAUSE SHE WAS RAPED

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 882A]

But men who keep planning to get rich fall into temptations and snares and many foolish, hurtful desires which plunge people into destruction and ruin. 1 Timothy 6:9

And as 1 Timothy 6:10 - 12 states, [AV] “For the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil, and some men in reaching after riches have wandered from the faith and pierced their hearts with many a pang. 11 But you, as a man of God, must be fleeing always from these things; you must constantly strive for uprightness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. 12 Keep up the good fight for the faith. Keep your hold on eternal life, to which God called you, when before many witnesses you made the good profession of faith.”

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[2] FALSE RELIGION HOLDS WOMEN GUILTY BECAUSE SHE WAS RAPED

Rape Victims Held Criminally Liable, a news item on page 17a, of the Sunday, June 2, 2002, The Palm Beach Post article, "Pakistani rape victims the criminals." This article stated, "The evidence of guilt was there for all to see: a newborn baby in the arms of its mother, a village woman named Zafran Bibi.

Her crime: She had been raped. Her sentence: death by stoning.

Thumping a fat red statute book, the white-bearded judge who convicted her, Anwar Ali Kahn, said he had simply followed the letter of the Koran based law, known as hudood, that mandates punishment.

Furthermore, he said, in accusing her brother-in-law of raping her, Zafran had confessed to her crime.

"The lady stated before this court that, yea, she had committed sexual intercourse, but with the brother of her husband," Judge Khan said. "This left no option to the court but to impose the highest penalty."

Although legal fine points do exist, little distinction is made in court between forced and consensual sex.

When hudood was enacted 23 years ago, the laws were formally described as measures to ban "all forms of adultery, whether the offense is committed with or without the consent of the parties." But women are almost always punished, whatever the facts.

(THIS IS NONSENSE AND A TOTAL INJUSTICE. ALSO, THE SAME PENALTY IS GIVEN FOR HOMOSEXUALITY)

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] BIBLE CONSIDERS SLAVE A PERSON, BUT MANY MEMBERS OF ISLAM DO NOT

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 883A]

For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 1 Timothy 4:8 – 9, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Yes bodily exercise is good, but exercising godliness brings rewards from our Creator, Almighty God (YHWH). This is clearly shown by 1 Timothy 6:12, [AV] “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

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[2] BIBLE CONSIDERS SLAVE A PERSON, BUT MANY MEMBERS OF ISLAM DO NOT

Here is a short discussion between a person whose hastag is Linda who believes they are persons as do I, and an individual with the hastag proliferobush who does not believe a slave is a person.

Re: linda_22003 Take A Look At This
by: prolifeprobush (56/F/Big Sky Country) 05/24/02 10:49 pm
Msg: 25336 of 25379

Posted as a reply to: Msg 25217 by linda_22003

OK already. I still do not think someone with zero civil rights and who can be owned by a human being is considered a person.

Obviously if you do not think someone with zero civil rights and who can be owned by a human being should be considered a person. You should check out the facts on the matter which is seldom done on this BB.

Two excellent places to start is a good dictionary and the Bible. In the Webster New Colligate Dictionary the definition for PERSON = an individual human being; esp : a human being as distinguished from an animal... (I see nothing here about ownership, do you?)

In the Bible, the ancient Greek word for slave is sometimes rendered into English as servant and sometimes as slave, See, in King James Bible, John 13:16 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him." But in "The New American Bible," by World Catholic Press, approved from Vatican on Sept. 18, 1970 by the Pope, it says, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no slave is greater than his master nor any messenger greater than the one who sent him." However, in all reliable interlinear lexicons such as "The Emphatic Diaglott," "The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures," and "The rotherham Diaglott-Interlinear" the ancient Greek word is consistently rendered slave.

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] REPLY TO A CATHOLIC THAT SHOULD INTEREST ALL

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 884A]

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, John 5:28, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Yes, at this time Almighty God (YHWH) will give us marvelous gifts. These gifts will motivate us to do the following:

1 – To imitate Jesus (Yeshua) Christ as closely as we can.

2 – To love our fellow believers,

3 – To be forgiving of others from the heart.

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[2] REPLY TO A CATHOLIC THAT SHOULD INTEREST ALL

I believe you were not aware of that "Catholic fairy tale" as you probably have not read the 690 pages of the minutes of the four Councils of Latern, a good starting place would be, http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/coun10.html

If you want the complete boring text, it will soon be available on the Internet, and if you would like I will let you know where when my correspondent's friends get it posted. Although I believe most would just prefer the summary. It also has the Canon's with respect banned publications under which William Tyndale was put to death for translating the Bible into English at the order of Bishop Cuthbert Tunstall with vatican okay on October 6, 1536 in Vilvoorde, Belgium. He was tied to a stake, strangled, and burned. His last words were, "Lord, open the King of England's eyes."

I wasn't aware of that teaching of the Catholic church, I'm not Catholic. I do, however, know some who are and I've never heard that subject come up. But to me it's a very simple one, clearly stated in scripture. I need not reason it as a married man, though. I only need look at Mt. 1:25.

Now with respect to your statement, “But in regard to your message to sarajane, (You really need to learn doctrinal history.", my question is, "Why"?” Very simple if you are going to make statements/post on a subject you should first know what the point of the subject is. I often make post to Muslims and before I do, I carefully check out the subject in the books of Sura and Hediath in the Koran and with Inman Osama Husain to be sure of the subject. I was not being rude to her, but simply informing her she should no about something before commenting on it, and that holds true for everyone. For example, the Trinity is NOT my doctrine, but I am sure I know it better than over 99.99% of the individuals who claim to believe it and I am sure you probably agree with me. I often get into discussions with Catholics and even have to explain to them what their Councils have declared their beliefs; this is pathetic. I in no way was demeaning her because she disagreed, but as previously mentioned letting her know she was speaking on a subject she clearly did NOT know, and that is simple truth.

Your statement, "...however, [b]all Catholics do as their church declared that she remained ever Virgin in all four great Church Councils of Lateran"

This is an absurd blanket statement. There are plenty of people who attend the Catholic church that are able to read the Bible for themselves. And, (gasp) a few of them might even end up in Heaven(!), in spite of some false teaching by others in the church. Better to prepare yourself for that now.” Of course it is an absurd blanket statement on the Catholic Councils part as any young man or women should know, but remember the people at these Councils were all men who openly claimed to not have sexual relations, not exactly a representative lot of humanity as a lot as I am sure you will agree.

Your comment, “I realize that true JW doctrine states that only JW's are chosen and going to Heaven, but that's false teaching as well. I suppose all JW's must espouse that teaching to be correct also?”

This I do not believe is a teaching of the JWs or any other anabaptist group. They, I believe, all believe in ‘sola scripture’ and the scripture clearly states the judge will be Jesus, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” (Revelation 19:11-21 AV)

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] SELF-DEFENSE VS. INSULTS

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 885A]

And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, 31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’S, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. Judges 11:30 – 31, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

He won the battle against Amon, and at Judges 11:35 - , [AV] “So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands. 33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel. 34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back. 36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.”

Two months after this, his daughter was brought to Shiloh to serve Almighty God (YHWH) for the rest of her life in keeping with her father’s vows.

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[2] SELF-DEFENSE VS. INSULTS:

Self-defense, a Biblical view. The Bibles’ view of self defense depends a lot on the circumstances surrounding the situation. First, it shows we should seek peace at all times with our fellow man and not return insult for insult. The Apostle Peter shows that we should seek peace with all and always be ready to give an answer to all, “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 16 ¶ Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.” (1 Peter 3:15-17 AV)

And Jesus Christ (Yeshua) clearly showed he was no pacifist and the Bible shows he will lead God’s (Yahweh – JHWH) at the end-times; however, he stated, “ But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;” (Matthew 5:44 AV). Here he plainly shows we should love our enemies. With respect insults, he showed, “ And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.” (Luke 6:29 AV); this clearly showed we must do all within our power to maintain peace with others including enduring insults and other abuses without reacting in a violent way. In other words, we must always keep our temper in check and often this is quite difficult to do.

Often instead of a kind inquiring question or comment you will be confronted by individuals with harsh demands or words. For example, when dealing with a person that ‘blows-up’ in a road rage incident over a wrong or perceived wrong, the individuals words are quite harsh and threatening and the natural tendency is to answer them in kind. This, however, should not be done as the situation could easily escalate into a violent confrontation. It is imperative that one take all steps to avoid a violent confrontation and failure to do so could lead to blood shed. There are many other situations that can arise that can lead to similar confrontations. The genuine follower will do all in his power to defuse such situations and this includes absorbing insults rather than also making them in retaliation as it takes too to make a fight. If violence can not be avoided, one may need to use the necessary force to protect him/her self which will be dealt with later.

Another situation that may arise is that someone in authority will want you to fight for him/her or his cause. Here the genuine Christian must remember he is a follower of Jesus Christ (Yeshua) and his father God. Long ago when Jesus Christ (Yeshua) was on earth he was questioned on whether to pay tax by his enemies ot entrap him, but he answered, “But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Matthew 22:18-21 AV). Here he showed we should render the governments things to the government, but God’s things to God. Since the lives of genuine Christians belong to God and not to man, we should give them in his service not mans. Therefore, when governments and others seek to have us put our lives into dangerous situations for them; we must remember our lives belong to God and not to them. We must, “ Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.” (1 Peter 3:11 AV), “ Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.” (Psalms 34:14 AV). These scriptures clearly show it is our obligation if we are genuine Christians to seek peace and pursue it; therefore, we would not become a party or get involved with the wars of men and their other violence. We should remain neutral, remembering our lives belong to God and not to man. Of course this is up everyone’s conscience, and each must make his/her own decision whether to obey God or man, “ Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29 AV).

Clearly we are to make every effort to steer clear of situations that could result in violent confrontations as shown by Jesus Christ (Yeshua), “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.” (Matthew 5:21-25 AV). Some of the situations and possibilities that could lead to violent confrontations and bloodguilt have already been dealt with, and the scriptures are clear on the matter, “ Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.” (Psalms 51:14 AV). We must work hard at maintaining a good consciousness, “ And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.” (Acts 24:16 AV). We must maintain a good conscience no matter how the militaristic minds and violence prone minds of this world may criticize us as genuine Christians. In his sermon on the mount Jesus Christ (Yeshua) clearly showed we should do on to others as we would want them to do onto us, the ‘Golder Rule;’ however, he went further and showed we should at all times love peace and pursue it, “Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. 38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” (Matthew 5:36-41 AV).

Unfortunately, try as we might to avoid violent situations where we may need to defend ourselves, sometimes these situations may occur through no fault of our own. The Bible does recognize very limited situations where killing of a fellow man may be justified and one will not incur bloodguilt. In the case of a thief breaking in during the night whom the householder kills while defending his house, there results no bloodguilt upon the householder, “If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. 3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.” (Exodus 22:2-3 AV). This scripture clearly shows the right to even kill a thief who comes at night since he can not be readily identified and also might be with weapon to kill the householder; however, if by day the thief could be easily identified and also whether he had a weapon and planned to use it. Moffatt’s translation makes this even more clear, “If a thief is caught breaking into a house and struck so that he dies, the householder is not quilty; but if it was after dawn, the householder is guilty.” Therefore if a householder delivers a fatal blow at night to a thief and it is reasonable under the circumstances no bloodguilt is incurred; whereas, killing the thief, unless he had a weapon and showed inclination to use it, during the day would be going too far and bloodguilt would be incurred.

Clearly, genuine Christians must not take the law into their own hands, and return an injury to others. However wen can postulate from Exodus 22:2-3 that if a householder was justified in striking a thief at night and would not incur bloodquilt, he/she would likewise have the right to defend his life or those of his/her loved ones and if this resulted in having to kill another who was actively intent on killing one or his loved ones and there was no other way of stopping him/her this would be reasonable under the circumstances. Killing one just to save property is not reasonable as revealed at, “ For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?” (Matthew 16:26 AV), since what material item could be of equal value to a life?

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] IS SATAN REAL OR JUST THE EVIL WITHIN PEOPLE?

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 886A]

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 2 Corinthians 5:14 15, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Yes, love for Almighty God (YHWH) will motivate us to imitate Jesus, and to try to imitate his ways as closely as possible. As 1 Peter 2:21, [AV] says, For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Also, 1 John 2:6, [AV] says, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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[2] IS SATAN REAL OR JUST THE EVIL WITHIN PEOPLE?

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. (Job 1:6-12 av),
and And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. 7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. (Job 2:6-7 AV). Both tell of conversations between God and Satan. If Satan were just the evil in a person, the evil in this case would have to be in God. But that is in complete disagreement with what the Bible tells us about God as being One To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him. (Psalms 92:15 AV)(see also Revelations 4:8). It is noteworthy that the Hebrew text uses the expression has Satan (the Satan) in the accounts in Job, showing that reference is being made to the one who is outstandingly the resister of God, And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? (Zechariah 3:1-2 AV).

And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. (Luke 4:11-13) which reports that the Devil endeavored to tempt Jesus to do his bidding. The account relates statements made by the Devil and answers given by Jesus. Was Jesus there being tempted by evil within himself? Such a view does not harmonize with the Bibles description of Jesus as being sinless, For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; (Hebrews 7:26 AV), and Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: (1 Peter 2:22 AV). Although at John 6:70 the Greek word di-abo-los is used to describe a bad quality that had developed in Judas Iscariot, And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. (Luke 4:3 AV) the expression ho di-abo-los (the Devil) is used, thus designating a particular person.

Is blaming the Devil just a device used in an effort to escape from responsibility for bad conditions? Some people blame the Devil for what they themselves do. In contrast, the Bible shows that humans ofter bear much of the blame for the badness they experience, whether at the hands of other humans or as a result of their own conduct, All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt. (Ecclesiastes 8:9 AV), and Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (Galatians 6:7 AV). Yet, the Bible does not leave us ignorant of the existence and devices of the superhuman foe who has brought so much grief to mankind. It shows how we can get out from under his control.

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] THE RARE FRUIT OR VEGETABLE - Durio graveolens

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 887A]

Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment. Ecclesiastes 11:9, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Yes rejoice just as shown at Deuteronomy 16:11, [AV] “And thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to place his name there.” Remember Job 31:7, [AV] “If my step hath turned out of the way, and mine heart walked after mine eyes, and if any blot hath cleaved to mine hands;” but keep walking only in the way of the Lord.

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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the, Durio graveolens, sometimes called red-fleshed durian,[5] orange-fleshed durian, or yellow durian,[6] is a species of tree in the Malvaceae family.[7] It is one of six species of durian named by Odoardo Beccari.[8] The specific epithet graveolens ('strong smelling' or 'rank')[9] is due to the odor, although most species of Durio (most notably Durio dulcis) have a strong scent, and the red-fleshed type of D. graveolens has very little scent.[10]

D. graveolens is an edible durian,[11][12] perhaps the most popular 'wild' species of durian, and it is sold commercially regionally.[13] However its sibling species Durio zibethinus is the typical species eaten and dominates sales worldwide. This species also should not be confused with the popular durian clones from Malaysia known as Red flesh (D164) and Red Prawn (D175), as both of those belong to Durio zibethinus.[14]
However, D. graveolens does have one registered variety, DQ2 nyekak (DK8).[14] The color of the fruit's flesh denotes other varieties: An orange-fleshed, a red-fleshed one. and yellow-fleshed. These varieties in fact may be different species, but currently it is not known for sure.[10][13] The yellow-fleshed kind is sometimes called durian simpor.[10][6][5]
Names
In Malay it is called durian burong/durian burung[5] (lit. 'bird durian'),[12] durian rimba (lit. 'jungle durian'),[12] durian kuning[5][15][10] (lit. 'yellow durian'),[4] durian merah (lit. 'red durian'),[5][13][10][11] or durian otak udang galah[15][10] (lit. 'crayfish brain durian').[6] In Iban it is durian isu.[6] The Bidayuh call it durian umot.[6] Among the Kenyah and Dayak peoples it is known as durian anggang (lit. 'hornbill durian'),[12] durian ajan, pesang,[12] tabela/ta-bela,[12] tabelak,[10][5] taula,[12][10] tuala, tuwala.[6] On Sumatra the Batak call it tinambela.[12][10][6] In Karo it is called meraan.[16] In Southern Thailand it is referred to as ???????-?????? (thure?yn-rakka).[6][10] In Aceh Tamiang Regency it can be called durian batu (lit. 'stone durian'), and elsewhere in Sumatra it known as durian adjan.[12][10] Other regional names include durian dalit[13][10][17] (but this can apply also to Durio oxleyanus[18]) alau, dujen, durian alau, durian daun dungoh, durian hutan[10] (lit. 'forest durian'), durian pipit, lai bengang, merang kunyit, pasang, and tongkai.[6]
Sometimes it is called durian sukang,[18] but this typically refers to D. oxleyanus more than to D. graveolens.[10]
It may also be called entulang, but it is not clear if this is a local name or a variety name.[11]
A natural hybrid of D. graveolens and D. zibethinus is called durian siunggong or durian suluk.[5][6][10] It has the texture and flavour of the popular D. zibethinus and the burnt caramel overtones of D. graveolens.[6][5]
After its initial description in 1889 by Beccari, in 1924 Reinier Cornelis Bakhuizen Van Den Brink reduced it to a synonym of D. conicus. John Wyatt-Smith combined it all under D. dulcis in 1953. André Joseph Guillaume Henri Kostermans and Wertit Soegeng-Reksodihardjo separated D. graveolens back to its own species in 1958.[19]
Distribution
Wild D. graveolens grows in Peninsular Malaysia[6][12][5][11] (states of Johor, Kedah, Kelantan, Malacca, Penang, Perak, Selangor, and Terengganu), Borneo,[6][12][5][11] Sumatra,[12][11][5][6] Palawan,[5] and Southern Thailand.[20] It is cultivated in Brunei,[5] Sarawak, Sabah,[6] and the Northern Territory of Australia.[11] In Brunei its popularity outshines D. zibethinus,[15] which is not cultivated in the country.[21]
It is occasionally grown outside the tropics. In Florida it has been seen to survive two consecutive nights at 0 °C (32 °F), albeit shrouded in cloth.[22]
Description
D. graveolens is a large tree, sharing many features with D. dulcis.[2] It inhabits the upper canopy, growing up to 50 metres (160 ft) tall.[6][12] The trunk is 85–100 centimetres (33–39 in) in diameter and can have no branches until about 25 metres (82 ft) high.[6] The trunk will be smooth or flaky, grey/mauve to ruddy brown with steep buttress roots.[6] The buttresses reach 3 metres (9.8 ft) and extend out 1.5 metres (4 ft 11 in).[12]
The oblong leaves are 10–26 centimetres (3.9–10.2 in) long without the petiole and 4–10 centimetres (1.6–3.9 in) wide.[2][6] They are perfectly rounded both ends, rigid, and slightly coriaceous.[6][2] On the top they are glabrous and crisp,[6] almost vernicose (varnished).[2] Underneath, the leaves are copper-brown and lepidote (scaly),[6] with large scales of up to 2 millimetres (0.079 in) of diameter, which are not very noticeable, at least when dry.[2] The leaf scales are peltate (shield-shaped), ciliate-radiated (fringed), and deeply-lobed in 3-5 parts.[2] In addition to the scales there are long strands of stellate hairs and other trichomes of varying size forming a soft tomentose (fuzzy) surface.[2] The leaf midrib is very prominent on the underside and forms a crease on top.[2] There are leaf stipules but they are caducous (drop early).[6] Leaves have 10-12 lateral veins per side (with some smaller ones intermixed) which are tiny and superficial above and more distinct, but still barely visible.[2] The petiole is very large, 15–18 millimetres (0.59–0.71 in) long, and tumescent (swollen) from the middle up.[2]
Flowers grow on the branches[2][23] on short cymes and a thin calyx.[6] The base is sac-like with 3-5 connate lobes.[6][23] It has white,[23] spatulate (spoon-shaped) petals that are 25–35 millimetres (0.98–1.38 in) long.[6] Inside are 5 separate bundles of staminodes and stamens,[6] fused for less than half of their length.[23] The anther has small clusters of 4-5 elongate pollen locules that open with longitudinal slits.[23] Ovaries are ovoid to globose and possess a yellow capitate (shaped like a pinhead) stigma and white to greenish style[6] about 48 millimetres (1.9 in).[24] The pollen is psilate (relatively smooth), spheroidal, and 54 micrometres (0.0021 in) in diameter.[24] It has three colporate (combined pore and colpus/furrow) apertures and is monad (solitary grains).[24]
The ovoid to globose fruits are up to 10–15 centimetres (3.9–5.9 in) in diameter,[2][6][11][25][23] and weigh about 757.5 grams (26.72 oz).[26] The greenish- to orange-yellow outside is densely covered with long (1 centimetre (0.39 in)) and thin angular-subulate spines which are straight or slightly curved, and prickly[2][6][11] yet slightly soft.[23] The fruit easily breaks into 5 fibrous-coriaceous valves (sections)[6][11][25] with 5–6 millimetres (0.20–0.24 in) thick walls.[2] Typically the fruit opens on the tree,[6][11] but some varieties do not until they are on the ground or harvested. There are 2 bulbous or chestnut-shaped seeds per section, each completely enveloped by fleshy aril.[2][11][23] These glossy brown seeds are 2 by 4 centimetres (0.79 in × 1.57 in).[6][11][25] The pungent aril is the part consumed as food,[2] though some sources note the odor is sometimes very mild.[11][23][12] It ranges in color from light yellow[2] to orange to lipstick red.[6][5][11][23]
Ecology
D. graveolens is a tropical plant species that needs high heat and humidity.[6] Typically it is found on clay-rich soils in wet lowland dipterocarp forests, frequently along riverbanks and swamps.[6] Because of its tolerance for wet habitats,[12] it is possibly resistant to infection by the oomycete Phytophthora palmivora.[11][15] It can also be found on hillsides and shale ridges up to 1,000 metres (3,300 ft) in elevation.[6]
It is pollinated by bats.[24] As it is one of the only species to naturally hybridize with D. zibethinus,[5][6][27] it is thought they two share a pollinator, likely the cave nectar bat (Eonycteris spelaea).[28][19] Pollen from both of these durian species has been found in cave nectar bat feces, and possibly in that of long-tongued fruit bat (Macroglossus sobrinus).[29]
After harvest, fruit can be set upon by fungi like Lasiodiplodia theobromae, Glomerella cingulata, Geotrichum candidum, Calonectria kyotensis, and occasionally Gliocephalotrichum bulbilium.[15] Secondary or opportunistic fungal infection can be from species such as Aspergillus niger and other Aspergillus spp., Candida sp., Gibberella intricans, and Penicillium sp.[15]
The fruit is fed on by Bornean orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus),[16] Prevost's squirrels (Callosciurus prevostii), Crab-eating macaques (Macaca fascicularis), Black hornbills (Anthracoceros malayanus), possibly viverrids[25] and Sun bears (Helarctos malayanus).[30] Black hornbills are also effective seed dispersers for the tree,[25] and this is referenced in a few of the regional names for the tree (see § Name, above).
Biochemistry
The fatty acids in the fruit are 30% saturated and 70% unsaturated.[4] The saturated fats include myristic acid (14.49%), arachidic acid (7.08%), pentadecanoic acid (3.61%), heptadecanoic acid (2.2%), decanoic acid (1.62%), and lauric acid (1.31%).[4] Unsaturated fats include oleic acid (22.18%), palmitoleic acid (13.55%), linolelaidic acid (12.39%), ?-linolenic acid (12.23%), linoleic acid (4.95%), elaidic acid (2.50%), and myristoleic acid (1.89%).[4]
Uses
The fruit's pulp is typically eaten raw and has the fragrance of roasted almonds[6][5][15] or burnt caramel.[6][5] The taste is described as sweet and cheesy[15] or similar to eating an avocado or pimento cheese.[10] Sometimes it is it is fermented into the condiment tempoyak.[13] The red-fleshed type is used with freshwater fish to make a type of sayur.[6]
The seeds can also be ground into flour (tepung biji durian dalit), which then can be used to make things like fish crackers.[17]
The tree is also harvested for lumber in Sarawak.[6] The Iban people there also bathe day-old infants (especially for preterm birth) in a tisane of mature bark, as they believe it strengthens the skin.[6]
References
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• "Durio graveolens". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2017. Retrieved 27 October 2017. This taxon has not yet been assessed for the IUCN Red List, but is in the Catalogue of Life: Durio graveolens Becc.
• Beccari, Odoardo (1889). Malesia: raccolta di osservazioni botaniche intorno alle piante dell'arcipelago Indo-Malese e Papuano pubblicata da Odoardo Beccari, destinata principalmente a descrivere ed illustrare le piante da esso raccolte in quelle regioni durante i viaggi eseguiti dall'anno 1865 all'anno 1878 (PDF) (in Italian). 3. Florence & Rome, Italy: Tipografia del R. Instituto sordo-muti. pp. 242–3. ASIN B000MTM2A0. OCLC 880509632. Retrieved 29 October 2017.
• Hoe, Voon Boon; Siong, Kueh Hong (March 1999). "The nutritional value of indigenous fruits and vegetables in Sarawak" (PDF). Asia Pacific Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Clayton, Australia: John Wiley & Sons Inc. 8 (1): 24–31. doi:10.1046/j.1440-6047.1999.00046.x. ISSN 1440-6047. OCLC 5534067161. PMID 24393732. Retrieved 3 November 2017.
• Nasaruddin, Mohd hanif; Noor, Noor Qhairul Izzreen Mohd; Mamat, Hasmadi (2013). "Komposisi Proksimat dan Komponen Asid Lemak Durian Kuning (Durio graveolens) Sabah" [Proximate and Fatty Acid Composition of Sabah Yellow Durian (Durio graveolens)] (PDF). Sains Malaysiana (in Malay). 42 (9): 1283–1288. ISSN 0126-6039. OCLC 857479186. Retrieved 28 November 2017.
• O'Gara, E.; Guest, D. I.; Hassan, N. M. (2004). "Occurrence, Distribution and Utilisation of Durian Germplasm". In Drenth, A.; Guest, D. I. Diversity and Management of Phytophthora in Southeast Asia ACIAR Monograph No. 114 (PDF). Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research (ACIAR). pp. 187–193. ISBN 1-86320-405-9. Retrieved 9 November 2017.
• Lim, Tong Kwee (29 September 2011). "Durio graveolens". Edible Medicinal and Non-Medicinal Plants (PDF). Dordrecht: Springer. pp. 552–555. doi:10.1007/978-90-481-8661-7_74. ISBN 978-90-481-8661-7. OCLC 988813302. Retrieved 30 October 2017.
• "Durio graveolens". NCBI taxonomy. Bethesda, MD: National Center for Biotechnology Information. Retrieved 26 October 2017. Lineage( full ) cellular organisms; Eukaryota; Viridiplantae; Streptophyta; Streptophytina; Embryophyta; Tracheophyta; Euphyllophyta; Spermatophyta; Magnoliophyta; Mesangiospermae; eudicotyledons; Gunneridae; Pentapetalae; rosids; malvids; Malvales; Malvaceae; Helicteroideae; Durio
• "Durio". The Plant List. 1.1. England: The Plant List. 23 March 2012. Retrieved 9 November 2017.
• Griffith, Chuck (2005). "Dictionary of Botanical Epithets". Dictionary of Botanical Epithets. Retrieved 27 October 2017. graveolens graveolens graveolens strong smelling graveolens graveolent adj strong smelling; rank Ruta graveolens L.
• Gasik, Lindsay (May 2013). "Durio graveolens". Year of the Durian. yearofthedurian.com. Retrieved 4 November 2017.
• Lim, Tong Kwee; Luders, L. (July 1997). Boosting Durian Productivity (PDF). RIRDC Project DNT - 13A. Barton, ACT: Rural Industries Research Development Corporation (RIRDC). ISBN 9780724530151. ISSN 1440-6845. OCLC 38412745. Retrieved 10 November 2017.
• Kostermans, André Joseph Guillaume Henri (December 1958). Dilmy, A.; Van Steens, C. G. G. J., eds. "The Genus Durio Adans. (Bombac.)" (PDF). Reinwardtia. Kebun Raya, Indonesia: Herbarium Bogoriense. 4 (3): 91–95. doi:10.14203/reinwardtia.v4i3.1008 (inactive 2017-11-29). ISSN 2337-8824. OCLC 4142407. Retrieved 10 November 2017.
• "Wild durians of Borneo". Daily Express. Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia: Sabah Publishing House Sdn. Bhd. 5 February 2012. Retrieved 5 November 2017.
• "Varieties Registered For National Crop List". Plant Variety Protection Malaysia. Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia: Department of Agriculture, Malaysia. pp. 15–6, 52. Retrieved 2 November 2017. D164 Durian Durio zibethinus Linn. D175 Durian Durio zibethinus Linn. DQ2 Durian Sarawak Durio graveolens Becc Nyekak (DK8)
• Sivapalan, A.; Metussin, Rosidah; Harndan, Fuziah; Zain, Rokiah Mohd (December 1998). "Fungi associated with postharvest fruit rots of Durio graveolens and D. kutejensis in Brunei Darussalam" (PDF). Australasian Plant Pathology. Netherlands: Springer. 27 (4): 274–277. doi:10.1071/AP98033. ISSN 1448-6032. OCLC 204773204. Retrieved 21 November 2017.
• Mackinnon, John (February 1974). "The behaviour and ecology of wild orang-utans (Pongo pygmaeus)" (PDF). Animal Behaviour. Elsevier Ltd. 22 (1): 3–74. doi:10.1016/S0003-3472(74)80054-0. ISSN 0003-3472. Retrieved 22 November 2017.
• Yong, Yen Cze (2015). Aplikasi Tepung Biji Durian Dalit (Durio graveolens) Dalam Keropok Ikan [Application of Durian Dalit (Durio graveolens) Seed Flour in Fish Crackers] (in Malay). Kota Kinabalu: Universiti Malaysia Sabah. OCLC 973237888.
• Ng, Murphy (19 December 2012). "Red and Orange Durians of Sabah". MySabah.com. Sabah, Malaysia. Retrieved 29 November 2017. Durian Dalit (Orange-flesh Durian), Species: Durio oxleyanus The husk of Durian Dalit is green color, with long and thick thorns outside. Durian Sukang (Red-flesh Durian), Species: Durio graveolens When ripe, the husk of Durian Sukang turns yellow, with short and sharp spines.
• Brown, Michael J. (1997). Arora, R.K.; Ramanatha Rao, V.; Rao, A.N., eds. Durio, a Bibliographic Review (PDF). New Delhi, India: International Plant Genetic Resource Institute. p. 13. ASIN 9290433183. ISBN 9789290433187. OCLC 38754437. Retrieved 11 November 2017.
• Hassler M. (2017). World Plants: Synonymic Checklists of the Vascular Plants of the World (version Aug 2017). In: Roskov Y., Abucay L., Orrell T., Nicolson D., Bailly N., Kirk P.M., Bourgoin T., DeWalt R.E., Decock W., De Wever A., Nieukerken E. van, Zarucchi J., Penev L., eds. (2017). Species 2000 & ITIS Catalogue of Life, 29th September 2017. Digital resource at http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/f1346b818da012e2ae26db4395f60fa9 . Species 2000: Naturalis, Leiden, the Netherlands. ISSN 2405-8858.
• Osman, M. B.; Mohamed, Z. A.; Idris, S.; Aman, R. (1995). Tropical fruit production and genetic resources in Southeast Asia: Identifying the priority fruit species (PDF). International Plant Genetic Resources Institute (IPGRI). ISBN 92-9043-249-7. OCLC 723476105. Archived from the original on 2008-09-30. Retrieved 10 November 2017. In Brunei Darussalam, D. zibethinus does not occur locally. The people in Brunei prefer the other species, such as D. graveolens, D. kutejensis and D. oxyleyanus. These species are quite commonly distributed in the country and together with other species like D. testudinarium and D. dulcis, represent rich genetic diversity.
• Whitman, William F. (November 1990). Cockshutt, Nicholas, ed. "Ultra Tropicals vs. Freezing Point". Tropical Fruit World. Miami, FL: Fairchild Tropical Garden. 1 (5): 147–148. ISSN 1053-850X. OCLC 22610361.
• Nyffeler, Reto; Baum, David A. (2001). "Systematics and character evolution in Durio s. lat. (Malvaceae/Helicteroideae/Durioneae or Bombacaceae-Durioneae)" (PDF). Organisms Diversity & Evolution. Springer Verlag. 1 (3): 165–178. doi:10.1078/1439-6092-00015. ISSN 1439-6092. OCLC 199110722. Retrieved 29 November 2017.
• Stroo, A (March 2000). "Pollen morphological evolution in bat pollinated plants" (PDF). Plant Systematics and Evolution. Springer-Verlag. 222 (1–4): 225–242. doi:10.1007/BF00984104. ISSN 1615-6110. OCLC 197044000. Retrieved 10 November 2017.
• Nakashima, Yoshihiro; Lagan, Peter; Kitayama, Kanehiro (March 2008). "A Study of Fruit–Frugivore Interactions in Two Species of Durian (Durio, Bombacaceae) in Sabah, Malaysia" (PDF). Biotropica. John Wiley & Sons. 40 (2): 255–258. doi:10.1111/j.1744-7429.2007.00335.x. ISSN 1744-7429. OCLC 5155811169. Retrieved 21 November 2017.
• Yumoto, Takakazu (August 2000). "Bird-Pollination of Three Durio Species (Bombacaceae) in a Tropical Rainforest in Sarawak, Malaysia" (PDF). American Journal of Botany. Botanical Society of America, Inc. 87 (8): 1185. ISSN 1537-2197. Retrieved 14 November 2017. Wet masses of fruits recorded in Lambir Hills National Park were as follows: D. graveolens, 757. 5 g;... (T. Yumoto, unpublished data)
• Hambali, GG; Yatazawa, M; Sunarto, AT (1989). Siemonsma, J.S.; Wulijarni-Soetjipto, N., eds. "Wild Durio Germplasm for improving fruit quality and performance of Durio zibethinus" (PDF). Plant Resources of South-East Asia Proceedings of the First PROSEA International Symposium May 22–25, 1989, Jakarta, Indonesia. Wageningen, Netherlands: Pudoc Wageningen: 261. ISBN 90-220-0999-8. OCLC 956468165. Retrieved 12 November 2017. Four hybrid seedlings were obtained in the crosses between D. zibethinus and D. graveolens, whereas no fruit set was observed in the crosses between D. zibethinus and D. oxleyanus, and between D. oxleyanus and D. graveolens.
• Soepadmo, Engkik; Eow, BK (31 August 1977). Mabberley, DJ; Lan, Chang Kiaw, eds. "The Reproductive Biology of Durio zibethinus Murr" (pdf). The Gardens' bulletin, Singapore. Authority. 29: 25–33. ISSN 2382-5812. OCLC 918436212. Retrieved 12 November 2017.
• Start, A.N.; Marshall, A.G. (1976). "Nectarivorous Bats as Pollinators of Trees in West Malaysia". In Burley, J.; Styles, B.T. Tropical Trees: Variation, Breeding and Conservation. Linnean Society Symposium Series. 2. London, UK: Academic Press. pp. 141–159. ISBN 012145150X. OCLC 476102040.
• Fredriksson, Gabriella M.; Wich, Serge A.; Trisno (1 November 2006). "Frugivory in sun bears (Helarctos malayanus) is linked to El Niño-related fluctuations in fruiting phenology, East Kalimantan, Indonesia". Biological Journal of the Linnean Society. London, UK: The Linnean Society of London. 89 (3): 489–508. doi:10.1111/j.1095-8312.2006.00688.x. ISSN 1095-8312. Retrieved 6 November 2017. Durio graveolens Bombacaceae S fr Tr ?[SOURCE - RETRIVED FROM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durio_graveolens ON 3/18/2018]
Seeds for this tree can be obtained from Trade Winds, and here is their catalog description, 4376 - Durio graveolens - Red Fleshed Durian
A spectacular Durian species from southeast Asia, known for its bright red flesh. It is the most popular of the wild durian's, and is occasionally cultivated, though often found in local markets through its native range. The flesh has much less of an odor as compared to the common durian. Large, tropical tree, not frost hardy. ?[SOURCE - RETRIVED FROM https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/42156 ON 3/17/2018]

Pictures of this tree and fruit can be viewed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durio_graveolens

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[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 888A]

Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience
have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. James 1:3 – 4, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

This was shown by Judge Gideon who chased the Midianite army which was far larger than his own as recorded at Judges 7:16 - 25, [AV] “And he divided the three hundred men into three companies, and he put a trumpet in every man’s hand, with empty pitchers, and lamps within the pitchers. 17 And he said unto them, Look on me, and do likewise: and, behold, when I come to the outside of the camp, it shall be that, as I do, so shall ye do. 18 When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon. 19 So Gideon, and the hundred men that were with him, came unto the outside of the camp in the beginning of the middle watch; and they had but newly set the watch: and they blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers that were in their hands. 20 And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon. 21 And they stood every man in his place round about the camp: and all the host ran, and cried, and fled. 22 And the three hundred blew the trumpets, and the LORD set every man’s sword against his fellow, even throughout all the host: and the host fled to Bethshittah in Zererath, and to the border of Abelmeholah, unto Tabbath. 23 And the men of Israel gathered themselves together out of Naphtali, and out of Asher, and out of all Manasseh, and pursued after the Midianites. 24 And Gideon sent messengers throughout all mount Ephraim, saying, Come down against the Midianites, and take before them the waters unto Bethbarah and Jordan. Then all the men of Ephraim gathered themselves together, and took the waters unto Bethbarah and Jordan. 25 And they took two princes of the Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb; and they slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb, and Zeeb they slew at the winepress of Zeeb, and pursued Midian, and brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon on the other side Jordan.” So Judge Gidion exercised patience and followed God’s instructions exactly and won a great victory.

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[2] STANDARDS ARE PROMULGATED NOT PROVEN BUT USED:

There is a great misunderstanding with regard to exactly what standards are and how they are to be used. Some feel standards are to be proven; whereas, NIST [National Institute of Standards and Technology – a US governmental agency] and the ANSI [American National Standards Institute – a private technical organization in the US] both make clear that the purpose of standards is to unify or codify what is or is not in accordance to a standard. Standards are either made by a recognized standards setting body and/or other authoritative source. Their main intent is to bring unity in what ever is being judged or standardized. Standards are put into effect through promulgated to the users or affected parties and are made available through a variety of sources.

Some standards have an extensive history of application and additions/revisions. Some standards cover basic technical entities such as the SI that covers the metric standard of measurements and weights and these types of standards often intersect with other scientific systems of weights and measures. These types of standards are intended to codify a system so everyone has a standard or uniform way to compare measurements or ways of viewing specific items or situations. In other words, they give a way of proving what is right or correct against a base which is the standard.

The oldest known standard that has frequently been revised up until approximately 96 A.D. is the Holy Bible. It has been translated into more languages than any other standard. In effect it is the ultimate standard due to its promulgated by the Supreme authority of the entire universe, Almighty God (YHWH). However, it like all other standards is intended to codify a system of living or belief which is acceptable to this Supreme authority.

THE BIBLE IS UNIQUE AMONG STANDARDS:

First, the Bible was written over a period exceeding a millennium and one/half by over 40 different divinely inspired writers.

Second, it is far older than all other standards in use in the western world.

Three, it is the only standard written at the direction of Almighty God (YHWH); therefore is the ultimate standard.

Is there a way to prove inspiration or, at least, intelligently present evidence for its inspiration? The answer is "Yes!" One of the best ways to prove inspiration is by examining prophecy. There are many religious books in the world that have many good things to say. But only the Bible has fulfilled prophecies--with more fulfillments to come. The Bible has never been wrong in the past, and it won't be wrong in the future. It claims inspiration from God, “ All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Timothy 3:16 AV). Since God is the creator of all things “ Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” (Isaiah 44:24 AV), then He (YHWH) is also the creator of time. It is under His control. Only God, then, would always be right about what is in the future, our future.

Fulfilled prophecy is strong evidence that God is the author of the Bible because when you look at the mathematical odds of prophecy being fulfilled, you quickly see a design, a purpose, and a guiding hand behind the Bible. If just one prophecy failed, then we would know that God is not the true God, because the creator of all things, which includes time, would not be wrong about predicting the future. “ When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.” (Deuteronomy 18:22 AV). And “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; 10 declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;” (Isaiah 46:9-10 American Standard Version of 1901).

One writer and mathmatician, Peter Stoner has figured out the possibilities of the fulfillment of just eight (8) prophecies happening, let alone 100 having been fulfilled, and had this to say:

The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability. Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, 'we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017." That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep.
"Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."
Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157.

The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies by accident." [ excerpt from book Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell.]

EXAMPLES OF A FEW OF THE PROPHECIES FULFILLED IN JESUS (YESHUA OR YHWH SAVES):

Prophecy Fulfilled When Jesus Was Crucified

[ 1. Betrayed by a friend – Psalms 41:9 – John 13:18-27 – 460 BCE ]]

[ 2. Thirty (30) of silver thrown in Temple – Zechariah 11:13 – Matthew 27:3-5 – 518 BCE ]

[ 3. Betrayed for thirty (30) pieces of silver – Zechariah 11:12 – Matthew 26:14-15 – 518 BCE ]

[ 4. Potters field bought for thirty (30) pieces of silver&Zechariah 11:13 – Matthew 27:6-10 – 518 BCE ]

[ 5. Forsaken by His disciples – Zechariah 13:7 – Mark 14:27-50 – 518 BCE ]

[ 6. Falsely accused by false witnesses – Psalms 35:11-21 – Matthew 26:59-61 – 460 BCE ]

[ 7. Remained silent before accusers – Isaiah 53:7 – Matthew 27:12-14 – 732 BCE ]

[ 8. Was wounded and bruised – Isaiah 53:4-6 – 1 Peter 2:21-25 – 732 BCE ]

[ 9. Spit upon and beaten - Isaiah 50:6 – Matthew 26:67-68 – 732 BCE ]

[ 10. Was mocked – Psalms 22:6- 8 – Matthew 27:27- 31 – 460 BCE ]

[ 11. Fell under the cross (stauros) – Psalms 109:24- 25 – John 19:17, Luke 23:26 – 460 BCE]

[ 12. Had hands and feet pierced – Psalms 22:16 – John 20:24-28 – 460 BCE ]

[ 13. Was crucified with thieves – Isaiah 53:12 – Matthew 27:38 – 732 BCE ]

[ 14. Prayed for His enemies – Isaiah 53:12 – Luke 23:34 – 732 BCE ]

[ 15. His own people rejected him – Isaiah 53:3 – John 19:14-15 – 732 BCE]

[ 16. Was hated without cause – Psalms 69:4 – John 15:25 – 460 BCE ]

[ 17. Friends stood aloof – Psalms 38:11 –Luke 22:54; Luke 23:49 – 460 BCE ]

[ 18. People wag their heads – Psalms 22:7; Psalms 109:25 – Matthew 27:39 – 460 BCE]

[19. He was stared at by people – Psalms 22:17 – Luke 23:35 – 460 BCE]

[ 20. Gamblers divided his clothes – Psalms 22:18 – John 19:23-24 – 460 BCE ]

[ 21. He became very thirsty – Psalms 22:15 – John 19:28 – 460 BCE ]

[ 22. He was given gall & vinegar – Psalms 69:21 – Matthew 27:34 – 460 BCE ]

[ 23. He committed himself to God – Psalms 31:5 – Luke 23:46 – 460 BCE ]

[ 24. His forsaken cry – Psalms 22:1 – Matthew 27:46 – 460 BCE ]

[ 25. His bones not broken – Psalms 34:20 – John 19:32-36 – 460 BCE ]

[ 26. Was buried in tomb of a rich man – Isaiah 53:9 – Matthew 27:56-60 – 732 BCE ]

[ 27. A darkness came over the land – Amos 8:9 – Luke 23:44-45 – 804 BCE ]

[ 28. His heart was broken – Psalms 69:20;Psalms 22:14 – 460 BCE ]

[ 29. His side pierced – Zechariah 12:10 – John 19:34-37 – 648 BCE ]

PROPHECIES FULFILLED CONCERNING HIS BIRTH

[ 1. Born of the seed of women – Genesis 3:15 – Galatians 4:4 – 1513 BCE ]

[ 2. Born to a virgin Hebrew – Isaiah 7:14 – Matthew 1:18-25 – 732 BCE ]

[ 3. Children are killed by Herod – Jeremiah 31:15 – Matthew 2:16-18 – 580 BCE ]

[ 4. Born of the family line of Jesse – Isaiah 11:1 – Luke 3:32 – 732 BCE ]

[ 5. Born into the Tribe of Judah – Genesis 49:10 – Revelations 5:5 – 1513 BCE ]

[ 6. Born in Bethlehem – Micah 5:2 – Matthew 2:1-6 – 717 BCE ]

[ 7. Seed of David – Jeremiah 23:5 – Luke 3:31 – 580 BCE ]

[ 8. Seed of Jacob – Numbers 24:17 – Luke 3:34 – 1473 BCE ]

[ 9. Seed of Isaac – Genesis 21:12 – Luke 3:23-34 – 1513 BCE ]

[ 10. Seed of Abraham – Genesis 22:18 – Matthew 1:1 – 1513 BCE ]

PROPHECIES ON HIS PERSONALITY

[ 1. His zeal for this Father (YHWY) – Psalms 69:9 – John 2:15-17 – 460 BCE ]

[2. His existence before creation – Micah 5:2 – 1 Peter 1:20 – 717 BCE ]

[ 3. He shall be called Lord – Psalms 110:1 – Acts 2:36 – 460 BCE ]

[ 4. Called Immanuel (God with us) – Isaiah 7:14 – Matthew 1:22-23 – 732 BCE ]

[ 5. Anointed by the Spirit (HS) – Isaiah 11:2 – Matthew 3:16-17 – 732 BCE ]

[ 6. He is a Prophet – Deuteronomy 18:18-19 – Acts 3:18-25 – 1473 BCE ]

[ 7. He will be a Priest – Psalms 110:4 – Hebrews 5:5-6 – 460 BCE ]

[ 8. He will be a Judge – Isaiah 33:32 – John 5:22-23 – 732 BCE ]

[ 9. He will be a King – Psalms 2:6 – John 18:33-37 – 460 BCE ]

PROPHECIES CONCERNING HIS PUBLIC MINISTRY

[ 1. Will be preceded by a messenger – Isaiah 40:3 – Matthew 3:1-3 – 732 BCE ]

[ 2. He would perform miracles – Isaiah 35:5-6 – Matthew 9:35 & 11:4 – 732 BCE ]

[ 3. Ministry to begin in Galilee – Isaiah 9:1-2 – Matthew 4:12-17 – 732 BCE ]

[ 4. Would teach with parables – Psalms 78:1-4 – Matthew 13:34-35 – 460 BCE ]
[ 5. He would preach in temple – Malachi 3:1 – Matthew 21:10-12 – 443 BCE ]

[ 6. Enter Jerusalem on a donkey – Zechariah 9:9 – Matthew 21:1-7 – 518 BCE ]

[ 7. Stone of stumbling to Jews – Isaiah 28:16; Psalms 118:22 – 1 Peter 2:6-8 – 732 BCE ]

[ 8. Light to Gentiles – Isaiah 49:6 – Acts 13:46-48 – 732 BCE ]

PROPHECIES CONCERNING HIS RESURRECTION AND ASCENSION

[ 1. Raised from the dead – Psalms 16:8-11 – Acts 2:24-31 – 460 BCE ]

[ 2. Only begotten Son of God (YHWH) – Psalms 2:7 – Acts 13:32-35 – 460 BCE ]

[ 3. Ascended to God (YHWH) – Psalms 68:18 – Ephesians 2:8-10; John 6:26 – 460 BCE ]

[ 4. Seated at the Right Hand of God (YHWH) – Psalms 110.1 – Hebrews 1:3-13 – 460 BCE]

CONCLUSION:

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events -- in detail -- many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter -- no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!
God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.

The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error. As economy does not permit an explanation of all Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows [is] a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.

(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25) . He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 105.)
* The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:

Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5,000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5,000 that his ministry could begin in 26 A.D.

Since the Messiah is a God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.

Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.

Hence the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5,000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105.
(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 105.)

(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave -- thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law -- and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used -- just as predicted -- for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10), (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 1011.)

(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22) and (34:20); (Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was indeed, dead. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 1013).

(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28); (45:1) and (45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy l50 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 1015.)

(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22) and (Jeremiah 51:26, 43). The description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 109.)

(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2,600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40) . This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 1018.)

(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11: Hosea 3:4-5; and Luke 21:23-24). This prophetic statement sweeps across 3,500 years of history to its complete fulfillment -- in our lifetime. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 1020.)

(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 105.)

(10) Joshua predicted that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34). (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 107.)

(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously -- and accurately, according to the eye-witness account -- by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11). (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 10.)

(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20). (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 108.)

(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold. (Probability of chance fulfillment -- 1 in 1013.)

Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body) -- that chance -- 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies along, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter (see Signs of the End, Tribulation Dooms, and The Rapture Promise). Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
Now is the day of salvation! Now is the time of God's favor! Please do not let it go by without further consideration. [International Encyclopedia of the Bible ]

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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] POLITICAL CHAOS IN MAJOR COUNTRIES IS A SIGN OF THE CONCLUSION OF THE END TIMES IS NEAR.

[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 889A]

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 2 Corinthians 5:14 15, [authorized King James Bible; AV]

Yes, love for Almighty God (YHWH) will motivate us to imitate Jesus, and to try to imitate his ways as closely as possible. As 1 Peter 2:21, [AV] says, For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Also, 1 John 2:6, [AV] says, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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[2] POLITICAL CHAOS IN MAJOR COUNTRIES IS A SIGN OF THE CONCLUSION OF THE END TIMES IS NEAR.

POLITICAL CHAOS HAS ALWAYS BEEN WITH US, BUT NOW IT IS NOT ONLY EFFECTING DICTATORSHIPS AND BANANA REPUBLICS BUT THE LEADING SUPER POWER AND DEMOCRACY, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). IN THE USA IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT ONE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND HAS THE RIGHT TO HEAR WHAT THE ACCUSATIONS ARE AGAINST HIM. HOWEVER, THIS IS NO LONGER THE REALITY. TODAY, ONE CAN BE ACCUSED OVER THREE DECADES LATER ABOUT A SUPPOSED WRONG COMMITTED WHILE IN HIGH SCHOOL AND MANY SAY THE ACCUSER MUST BE BELIEVED EVEN WHEN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM. TO WIT, MANY AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE YOU ARE GUILTY BEFORE YOU ARE HEARD AND AN INVESTIGATION MADE. THIS GETS SO OUT OF HAND IN THE USA THAT MANY GO TO THE VERY LEGISLATIVE HOUSES OF GOVERNMENT AND SCREAM TERRIBLE THINGS AGAINST A FALSELY ACCUSED INDIVIDUAL.

WHAT MANY FAIL TO REALIZE IS THAT MANY INDIVIDUALS CAN NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FANTASY AND REALITY IN SOME CASES (THIS CONDITION IS KNOWN AS 'FALSE MEMORY'). IN THESE CASES, NO LIE DETECTOR CAN INDICATE WHETHER THEY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT AS INDIVIDUALS WITH THIS PROBLEM SINCERELY BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS REALITY EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT. THIS BECOMES EVEN MORE MARKED IF OTHERS FEED THEIR FANTASY, AND ESPECIALLY SO IF ABOUT ONE HALF OF ALL IN US SENATE COMMITTEE FEED THIS FANTASY FOR THEIR OWN WICKED AND HATEFUL REASONS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH WICKEDNESS AND EXTREME HATE AS A POLITICAL PARTY TRYING TO DESTROY THE GOOD REPUTATION OF A MAN THAT FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON THEY ALL HATED. THERE SHOULD BE A FEDERAL LAW PASSED TO PREVENT SUCH A WICKED EVENT FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN. ANY ACCUSER SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO PRESENT GOOD EVIDENCE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS GUILTY BEFORE CLAIMED GUILT CAN BE PRESENTED IN ANY GOVERNMENT CHAMBER OR TRIAL COURT. AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS TERRIBLY WICKED AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS NOT THE CASE. LET THIS COME AS NO SURPRIS AS MATTHEW 24:11 -13 CLEARLY STATE, “ AND MANY FALSE PROPHETS SHALL ARISE, AND SHALL LEAD MANY ASTRAY. 12 AND BECAUSE INIQUITY SHALL BE MULTIPLIED, THE LOVE OF THE MANY SHALL WAX COLD. 13 BUT HE THAT ENDURETH TO THE END, THE SAME SHALL BE SAVED.” (American Standard Version; ASV) . THIS IS NOW OCCURRING IN WASHINGTON, D.C. THE CENTER OF GOVERNMENT OF THE USA.

THIS IS TERRIBLY WICKED AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. REALITY - I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THE ACCUSED TESTIFYING BEFORE THE ACCUSED EXCEPT IN A NAZI OR STALIN PREDISPOSED GUILTY COURT. THE ACCUSER OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS OUT FOR DIRTY POLITICAL PURPOSES TRYING TO DESTROY HIS NAME AS CLEARLY NO ACCUSED CAN ANSWER BEFORE THE ACCUSER STATES HIS/HER CASE. SHE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR TRYING TO DESTROY HIS GOOD REPUTATION BEING DONE NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS CONFORMATION HEARINGS BUT AFTER THEY WERE FORMERLY OVER. THIS IS NOTHING BUT A VIOLATION OF HIS RIGHTS TO A GOOD NAME. AS THE BIBLE STATES AT PSALMS 22:1, “A GOOD NAME IS RATHER TO BE CHOSEN THAN GREAT RICHES, AND LOVING FAVOR RATHER THAN SILVER AND GOLD.” (American Standard Version; ASV)), AND AT EXODUS 7:1, “A GOOD NAME IS BETTER THAN PRECIOUS OIL; AND THE DAY OF DEATH, THAN THE DAY OF ONE’S BIRTH.” [ASV.]

AS ONE BIBLE ENCYCLOPEDIA STATED IT, "THAT IS WHY ECCLESIASTES 7:1 SAYS: “A NAME IS BETTER THAN GOOD OIL, AND THE DAY OF DEATH THAN THE DAY OF ONE’S BEING BORN.” NOT AT BIRTH, BUT DURING THE FULL COURSE OF A PERSON’S LIFE DOES HIS “NAME” TAKE ON REAL MEANING IN THE SENSE OF IDENTIFYING HIM EITHER AS A PERSON PRACTICING RIGHTEOUSNESS OR AS ONE PRACTICING WICKEDNESS. (PR 22:1) BY JESUS’ FAITHFULNESS UNTIL DEATH HIS NAME BECAME THE ONE NAME “GIVEN AMONG MEN BY WHICH WE MUST GET SAVED,” AND HE “INHERITED A NAME MORE EXCELLENT” THAN THAT OF THE ANGELS. (AC 4:12; HEB 1:3, 4) [INSIGHT ON THE SCRIPTURES]

REALITY, ONE JUDGE THAT SERVED ON 12 APPLET COURT WAS FALSELY ACCUSED OF BEING AN ATTEMPTED RAPIST, IT PROBABLY NEVER HAPPENED. REALITY - SEXUAL PREDATORS DO NOT JUST ATTACK ONE WOMEN BUT MORE THAN ONE LIKE WINSTEAD AND COSBY. IT IS A PRACTICE WITH SUCH LIKE SEXUAL PREDATORS. THIS IS A POLITICAL MOTIVATED FALSE CLAIM AND NOT A REAL EVENT; EVEN THE THREE SUPPOSED WITNESSES ALL STATE THAT IT NEVER EVEN OCCURRED. WOMEN WHO MAKE FALSE CHARGES AGAINST PROMINENT MEN EITHER TO GAIN BLACKMAIL MONEY OR FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES AND THEIR SPONSORS SHOULD BE SEVERELY PUNISHED. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE IF POLITICAL MOTIVATED AS IN THE CASE OF THE JUDGE. [NOTE, I AM NOT INTO POLITICS AND SUPPORT NO POLITICAL PARTY, BUT AN INDIVIDUAL AGAINST THE WICKED PRACTICE OF DESTROYING A PERSON'S GOOD NAME FOR EVIL POLITICAL PURPOSES.] I AM GETTING TIRED OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES IN ALL NATIONS ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF CHILDREN GIVING UNDUE IMPORTANCE TO UTTER NONSENSE SUCH AS WHAT CHILDREN DID IN HIGH SCHOOL RATHER THAN WHAT THEY DO AS AN ADULT. ALL SHOULD BE JUDGED AS WHETHER THEY WOULD DO A GOOD JOB OR NOT WHICH SHOULD BE THE ONLY REAL THING TO BE CONCERNED WITH, AND CREATING UTTER CHAOS IN TOP GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED. I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IMPORTANT THINGS IN GOVERNMENT AND NOT UTTER CHILDISH NONSENSE OF HE SAID, SHE SAID, AND THE THREE SUPPOSED WITNESSES CLEARLY SAYING THE EVENT NEVER EVEN HAPPENED IN KEEPING WITH EXODUS 20:16, “THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR. “ [ASV]

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